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The "free," self-serving cunt yet trapped cunt, Edward Snowden grocery shopping & being oblivious somewhere in Russia

A Russian news website published a photograph today that it claims is the first to show US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden since he emerged from a Moscow airport in August.

In the blurry image published by Life News, a casually dressed man sporting a goatee with sunglasses perched on his head is pictured pushing a supermarket trolley full of groceries across a road.

A car with partly legible Russian plates and a crossing sign identify the scene as in Russia.

'The photograph was taken in Moscow,' said Life News, which is known for its close ties to the Kremlin and security services.

There has been no reported sighting of Snowden since he walked out of Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport on August 1 after obtaining temporary asylum in Russia despite protests from Washington.

The 30-year-old former CIA contractor is wanted by the United States after revealing details of massive surveillance by the National Security Agency to the media.

Snowden's Russian lawyer Anatoly Kucherena has said he is living in a secret location in fear of being tracked down by US law enforcers. Life News published video extracts from an interview with Kremlin-friendly Kucherena, who refused to confirm that Snowden is living in Moscow.

'Let's take as a starting point that on the photograph that came into your possession you can't see the region or anything, only numbers (on a car number plate),' he said.

The photograph, if genuine, also does not show the bodyguards who Kucherena says accompany Snowden.

It was not clear when the photograph was taken, however it is likely to be several weeks old as it is now autumn in Russia and the picture shows trees covered with green leaves. Life News, which is the online wing of popular tabloid Tvoi Den, wrote on a Russian social networking page that it paid 100,000 rubles (about $3,000) for the photograph submitted via its website.

Kucherena last month told Itogi weekly magazine that Snowden manages to walk around in disguise.

'He would walk past you and you wouldn't recognise him,' he told Itogi. 'It's a question of clothes and small alterations to his appearance... He really does walk freely around on the streets.'

Life News pointed out that the man resembling Snowden did not seem to be economising on his supermarket shop, with a trolley containing at least half a dozen bags - despite claims by Kucherena that the American is running out of money.

'As you can see the former special services employee has picked up a full trolley of food according to American tradition. That clearly cost more than one thousand rubles,' it wrote. Kucherena told the website that '(Snowden) is living in quite a poor way as he has practically no money'.

The photograph appears to show Snowden breaking Russian law by jaywalking, Life News added, an offence for which he could be fined.

Life News, known for eye-catching scoops, in August published photographs showing Snowden walking out of Sheremetyevo airport with a huge grin on his face.

None of the journalists keeping watch at the airport spotted him at the time and it was not clear how the website obtained the photographs.

by Anonymousreply 25906/12/2015

Well, if I could edit that subject line, you know I would!

by Anonymousreply 110/08/2013

he should be forced to give up hole to russian soldiers or something

by Anonymousreply 210/08/2013

He looks quite gay in those pics. I wonder if he's doing a lot of sexual favors for Putin to be able to stay in the country?

by Anonymousreply 310/08/2013

No, R11, he is an American there by his own actions.

by Anonymousreply 1310/08/2013

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by Anonymousreply 1710/08/2013

A libertarian in Putin's Russia. he's being punished enough.

by Anonymousreply 1910/08/2013

Drop dead, R18. You have no idea what you're talking about, and, nor to whom you are speaking.

The US government was not going to murder the man, or cause a tragic "accident." This was too high profile for cloak and dagger CIA drama. Snowden, as other posters have stated (and who you conveniently ignore) should have stood his ground and fought on American soil, not run and whine like a spoiled brat.

by Anonymousreply 2210/08/2013

What I find funniest about this is that Snowden's every move, every key stroke, and every fart are being monitored. I have a feeling the Russians don't know what to make of him and are trying hard to find out.

by Anonymousreply 2410/08/2013

"I'm not so sure the guy in the pic actually is Snowden (unless he had his mole removed)."

If you look closely, which I unfortunately did, that disturbing, disgusting mole is still there apparently.

by Anonymousreply 2510/08/2013

It's surreal to see gays stating what a hero this guy is for running away and giving U.S. secrets to an even more oppressive country that is working hard to have gays completely oppressed.

by Anonymousreply 2610/08/2013

Did he return the shopping cart?

by Anonymousreply 2810/08/2013

Thank you OP for this thread! I can't stand Snowden/Greenwald.

by Anonymousreply 2910/08/2013

Could you please explain how that works for him in Russia, R30?

by Anonymousreply 3110/08/2013

That doesn't look like Snowden in that photo.

by Anonymousreply 3310/08/2013

I hope he enjoys the bed he made for himself.

by Anonymousreply 3510/08/2013

He has no income, is the Russian government paying for his apartment, expenses or is the traitor's family here in the states supporting him. When this story broke, some website had photos of him when he did some "artistic posing" fully clothed. I believe he had intentions of becoming a male model. I wonder if the Russian government is supplying him with female or male companionship. Nix the male companionship since that is a crime in Putin's Russia.

by Anonymousreply 3610/08/2013

R36, if I recall, according to the Wikileaks attorney assisting him, he was offered a programming or technology job of some sort in Russia.

by Anonymousreply 3710/08/2013

"Manning's problem"

Apparently one of Manning's many problems.

by Anonymousreply 4010/08/2013

yes he's a hero alright, running to much more oppressive countries than the US. How ironic he seeks refuge in a country that has horrible human rights and in which the government does all kinds of shit to its people.

You idiots who call him a hero don't understand the meaning of the word.

by Anonymousreply 4110/08/2013

R43 a country that has much better human rights than fucking Russia. He's a hypocrite and the OP is right about him being self-serving.

by Anonymousreply 4410/08/2013

If he is a hero, why Russia? Why not flee to Scandinavia..Sweden has been a haven for many. Anyone that is under the impression that only the US spies is a bit delusional. Every country in the world engages in spying..remember the Profumo case in England, involving female "escorts"..the woman also had dealings with the Russians.

by Anonymousreply 4510/08/2013

Why don't you do it? He's done enough .

by Anonymousreply 4710/08/2013

I wish all libertarians would leave the US and go live in Russia.

by Anonymousreply 4810/09/2013

[quote] Would you prefer he would have stayed here and been imprisoned for 35 years like Bradley Manning,

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Daniel Ellsberg was willing to go to prison.

by Anonymousreply 4910/09/2013

When he was in Hong Kong, Snowden put himself up for sale. He went to Russia because Russia offered the higher price for all they can get out of him. Sweden wasn't interested in paying for his traitoring ass. Your hero boy didn't go to a "free" country because freedom wasn't really the issue, money was.

by Anonymousreply 5010/09/2013

It's kind of cute that some people here think Snowden has more freedom in Russia, yet can't explain it.

by Anonymousreply 5210/09/2013

Edward Snowden's spoo tastes like crème Chantilly, aromatised with slight lacings of vanilla.

by Anonymousreply 5310/09/2013

[quote]It's kind of cute that some people here think Snowden has more freedom in Russia, yet can't explain it.

Deserves to be pointed out again.

by Anonymousreply 5810/09/2013

He took America's secrets to Russia.

The guy is a LOSER.

by Anonymousreply 6010/09/2013

R70 Why don't you go live in Russia?

I hear that they really love your kind there: dumb and gay. Good luck to you!

by Anonymousreply 7410/10/2013

Correction: "is" sub-par.

by Anonymousreply 7910/10/2013

What's going to happen when the Russian government finds out Snowden is gay? Will he go to the GULAG?

by Anonymousreply 8101/02/2014

Excellent point, 81.

Right now, NOM is orchestrating anti-homo laws in Russia...the communist nation where Snowden sought refuge from President Obama.

That's where NOM donations outlaw homosexuality all over the world. Right now, Russia & some African nations are going along with them.

Snosden is no hero. He mis-represented himself when he took that job as a contractor. He went in there with the intent to deceive. I assume he signed confidentiality waivers...? That he broke?

So he leaks confidential info that is helpful to our enemies and harmful to our counter-terrorism.

Why is he a hero? For deceiving America, sharing our secrets, and seeking asylum in a communist, oppressive country?

If he'd rather live in Russia, so be it. If he prefers legal homophobia to America, that is his choice.

How many lives have been saved by the NSA eavesdropping? I don't defend it, but anyone who thinks the government isn't spying on us and hasn't been spying us for decades IS naive.

The world is different now.

by Anonymousreply 8201/02/2014

R82, Russia hasn't been communist for decades. It's a totalitarian regime but they're not communist.

by Anonymousreply 8401/02/2014

Do Cuba & North Korea know that, r84?

by Anonymousreply 8501/02/2014

R87 it is certainly communist. How else would you describe an economic system almost entirely controlled by the central planners in the government?

by Anonymousreply 8901/02/2014

I've always been curious how Snowdon, a high school drop-out, got a job making six figures.

by Anonymousreply 9101/02/2014

You sleep with dogs, you get fleas. Barton Gellman and Laura Poitras have good reputations, but Snowden decided to align himself with Greenwald (and Putin)?

by Anonymousreply 9401/02/2014

When people were trying to find out just who Edward Snowden is, pics from an earlier attempt at modeling were discovered. It shouldn't be lost on anyone that at the end of the day, Snowden has sought the limelight. It's ridiculous to assume he was motivated solely by some altruistic desire to protect the liberties of Americans.

by Anonymousreply 10801/02/2014

Actually, r109, but in truth...well, this may [italic]shock[/italic] you, but you are mistaken.

I am not a fascist. Not anywhere near being a fascist.

Nobody could be more wrong than you, r109.

If you got such a basic, obvious fact WRONG, then there is no point in reading ANY of your posts.

Simply put: you are stupid.

by Anonymousreply 11101/02/2014

Way to use your words, r113.

by Anonymousreply 11501/02/2014

No, r114. You are wrong. It's clear because you offer no elaboration.

Because here is my logic:

- Snowden took a job as a contractor with the NSA for the sole intention to gain access to USA secrets.

- Snowden was required to sign a confidentiality agreement. He signed it, knowing full well that he would break it.

- Snowden took USA secrets to a nation that has historically been considered an enemy to the USA. Remember the Cuban Missile crisis?

- Russia has made it illegal to be openly gay there, or even talk about homosexuality with people under 18 yo.

- Russia has blocked the adoptions of their orphans by gays & lesbians, and has expressed interest to rescind past adoptions, and force those legally adopted kids to be returned to wonderful Russia, who takes such good care of their people.

Yes, I love my country. Does that make me a fascist? Putin loves his country, too. So I guess he's also a fascist. Which means Snodwen is cooperating with a fascist...a fascist who hates America where gays can get married and a black man can be president.

by Anonymousreply 11701/02/2014

[quote]Homoxesuality (sic) is basically against the law in Russia.

That is not the same thing as saying it IS against the law.

by Anonymousreply 12101/02/2014

R124 is the nyt editorial board a freeper?

by Anonymousreply 12501/02/2014

The implication from r121 is that there is no need to be concerned about the safety of gays and lesbians in Russia. That is not the case. The laws are changing in Russia.

[quote]President Putin said, "Can you imagine an organization promoting pedophilia in Russia? I think people in many Russian regions would have started to take up arms.... The same is true for sexual minorities: I can hardly imagine same-sex marriages being allowed in Chechnya. Can you imagine it? It would have resulted in human casualties."

I guess that means Glenn won't be visiting Russia anytime soon...? Or if he does, he won't be taking his bf.

by Anonymousreply 13001/02/2014

[quote]Without Snowden, people would never know the US constitution, the greatest asset of the country, has been repeatedly raped by the government.

If this doesn't deserve a "MARY!" then I don't know what does.

by Anonymousreply 13201/02/2014

[quote]The American public has a right to know what our goverment is doing.

Since when? That's never been the case. I'm not justifying the NSA spying, but really - you're surprised by it? The US has been playing spy games, within and outside it's borders, since WWII.

by Anonymousreply 13301/02/2014

Didn't J. Edgar Hoover routinely wire tap politicians, so he could black mail them?

Didn't he also have MLK's hotel room bugged?

by Anonymousreply 13501/02/2014

I wonder if Snowden will make it thru 2014? I predict he'll be offed and authorities will claim it was suicide.

The Valerie Plame incident in my opinion, was far more serious in that it involved top officials (Cheney and his Republican cronies), purposefully leaking classified info resulting in lost WMD contacts and deaths in the field.

by Anonymousreply 13801/02/2014

"posts suggest". Oy.

by Anonymousreply 14101/02/2014

Would you two kiss and make up already...

by Anonymousreply 14201/02/2014

Not if Putin can help it, 146.

by Anonymousreply 14701/02/2014

In the old days Snowden could have set up house in Switzerland. No more.

by Anonymousreply 14801/02/2014

Fine. I'll edit my post at 143:

[quote]Snowden [italic]is choosing[/italic] Russia over the US, and to you that is acceptable. As a lifelong proudly out gay man, that choice is unacceptable to me. Not for reasons of conscience, but for safety.

He went to Russia to be safe, but if I went to Russia, I would be harmed. Tell me why theirs is a better nation than ours. A government more humane to its citizens than ours. A citizenry happier and healthier than ours. Tell me why they're better than us. Because they don't wiretap their people like the US does?

by Anonymousreply 14901/02/2014

So many delightful aspects of Russian life you fail to acknowledge.

by Anonymousreply 15101/02/2014

If he loves the Constitution so much, why doesn't he come home and honor it?

He got that job for the purpose of doing what he did. He signed a confidentiality agreement. He is deceptive.

It's not up to him to decide which state secrets are ok to divulge to our enemies.

Couldn't he have disclosed the truth in a better way? Less harmful to our country?

Snowden's followers apparently believe that the "the ends justifies the means." Lie, cheat and steal...runaway and take solace with an inhumane nation.

Betray your country. Let Germany know what assholes we are. Alienate the whole world. Just what we need in 2014.

Precious Snowden gets to decide for us all. Perhaps that's the connection he shares with Putin. That and a desire to be famous, worshipped and go down in history.

by Anonymousreply 15301/02/2014

R59 speaks for me too.

Ou-est les neigedens d'antan?

by Anonymousreply 15401/02/2014

You don't think giving our sate secrets to the world is harmful to us?

Then I guess we should have no secrets at all.

No more spies.

We don't need to intercept data. We don't need to track our enemies.

Ok then.

If you and Snowden say so. It's your call I guess. Too bad we couldn't all vote before he made the decision. But Snowden knows best.

I hope he spends the rest of his life in Russia. He doesn't deserve to be American.

by Anonymousreply 16101/02/2014

What Snowden did, r160, is worse than Cheney outing Plame. And I still think Cheney should be tried for that. As well as for Abu Ghraib. And stealing both elections.

by Anonymousreply 16201/02/2014

was he wearing earrings. . . .?

was he wearing. . . .caftans?

by Anonymousreply 16601/02/2014

??? r165

I don't support the vast military complex, but everybody knows that spying saves lives.

Spies picked up al qaeda chatter re: flying planes into our towers. Dubya decided to ignore the PDB stating such.

You don't think spies have prevented other atrocities? I mean, under a more competent president than Dubya?

by Anonymousreply 16801/02/2014

R165 just finished watching White House Down and is not apologizing for it!

by Anonymousreply 16901/02/2014

I'm torn about Edward Snowden. He was right that the NSA was out of control, but fleeing to a totalitarian state didn't enhance his credibilty.

by Anonymousreply 17101/02/2014

I'm torn about him as well - I don't have enough info. And we'll never get the entire story because everything is classified.

If he could make it to France I think he could be alright in terms of legal residence, but somebody is going to wrap up this affair.

For him this experience is probably far worse than the fatwa Rushdie endured.

by Anonymousreply 17201/02/2014

R171, he had to go somewhere he wouldn't be plucked from.

by Anonymousreply 17301/02/2014

R172. France has an extradition treaty.

by Anonymousreply 17401/02/2014

I don't know why anyone is even discussing a presidential pardon. There is no chance of that happening under this administration. If his name were Coalden there might be some hope.

by Anonymousreply 17801/03/2014

[quote]we have taken things to an unprecedented level.

so have our enemies.

[quote]he reveals how overactive our government is and how likely to alienate adversaries and allies alike.

Who elected him to reveal such?

He lied to gain access. Isn't that what enemies of the state do?

He broke his confidentiality waiver. What if all contractors do the same?

Snowden is not the Decider. Unlike Bush, he didn't steal a presidential election. Nobody elected him to anything. So why does he have so much power?

Because he deceived his employers.

by Anonymousreply 17901/03/2014

"Cunt" is a misogynist term.r177. You, sir, have no credibility.

Are all the Snowden fanbois misogynist? I haven't seen too many women support him. Probably because women are diplomatic and know how to go about things the right way.

We need more women in American government.

by Anonymousreply 18001/03/2014

Perhaps one day 181 will mature into adulthood. However, his penis shall remain tiny.

by Anonymousreply 18301/03/2014

I am aware that France has an extradition treaty with the USA but in this case the French are aggravated with the USA for electronic surveillance. I still sense that Snowden would have a good chance of legal residence there. The French are like the Honey Badger.

Here in Switzerland the gov doesn't want to get involved - so we're out.

Besides I don't see how - without some highly sophisticated underground effort - Snowden can successfully cross any international border.

by Anonymousreply 18401/05/2014

The people here that attack Snowden are the same type that thought Hitler was doing all he could to help them, and so what if a few Jews and homos got killed.

You are sick. Snowden, Manning, and Greenwald are all heroes, exposing the evil rot at the core of our big governments.

by Anonymousreply 18501/05/2014


Do you support Obamacare?

Do you think the Federal Reserve is doing a good job?

Do you support domestic spying by the CIA and NSA?

If so, you are a fascist.

by Anonymousreply 18601/05/2014

[quote]- Snowden was required to sign a confidentiality agreement. He signed it, knowing full well that he would break it.

So, if the US government sends a spy to Israel and they sign a document that precludes them revealing info, they are evil because they signed a document with a criminal power to help their own country?

You are REALLY fascist!

by Anonymousreply 18701/05/2014

Bah. Let the little famewhoring coward rot in Russia for the rest of his days. Let's just see how he likes that.

It's a given that Snowden's treason doesn't signify with his adoring fans. What I find so informative is that his lying and stealing are also perfectly acceptable behavior as far as his young followers are concerned. How very Scientology of them, the vicious little hypocrites.

by Anonymousreply 18801/05/2014

All the best to Edward Snowden,

a true American hero!

by Anonymousreply 18901/05/2014

Give him library or give him death.

by Anonymousreply 19001/05/2014


[quote]If he loves the Constitution so much, why doesn't he come home and honor it?

Why don't you ask Obama or Bush or Clinton or Congress to honor The Constitution? They shit on it every day!

Fuck you, fascist asshole cunt motherfucker!

"Our enemies"? The people of Russia, and Iran, and Syria, etc. don't hate Americans. They hate our government for bombing them, stealing from them, starving them. They love Americans. They HATE our government. I hate my government too. It is evil and corrupt.

by Anonymousreply 19101/05/2014


[quote]Too many people can't bear to admit that Obama is every bit the puppet of the shadow government Bush was.

Isn't it sad? Educated, intelligent people still think that Bush and Obama are different. They both worship the military and Wall St, preside over a massive spy network and think the government can control our lives.

That's what comes from government Edumacationing.

by Anonymousreply 19201/05/2014

[quote]We do not live (yet) in a fascist state.

R164, I think you need to look around. Fascism ascended under Reagan, and Bush (1&2) Clinton and Obama have embraced it.

by Anonymousreply 19301/05/2014


[quote]Wow, there's a lot of bootlicks in this fucking thread.

That's the problem with trusting the government. If you give them control of the banking system, or education, or health will eventually result in this kind of bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 19401/05/2014


When was the last time someone threatened to bomb Switzerland or Andorra or Liechtenstein? Maybe since they MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS and don't go around murdering children with drones and invading other countries they perceive as threats to the dominion of the USDollar...

Oh, wait, is it because we need the PetroDollar to remain the dominant currency that our evil government invades and bombs these countries?

Please study up on history, and economics, and you will see why our government has become the new Evil Empire.

by Anonymousreply 19501/05/2014

R194 = Ruth Madoff

by Anonymousreply 19601/05/2014


Please explain that non-sequitur. Too strange and random not to ask.

Madoff had dozens of friends inside the SEC, and they protected him. Numerous junior staffers pointed out how he was manipulating regulations, and engaging in criminal behavior, but the bosses squashed any investigation. When it fell apart, many of those SEC bosses "retired" and took jobs with PRIVATE EQUITY UNDERWRITERS, committing the same crimes the covered up for Madoff.

Don't you see how they "retire" from the government and then take jobs with Goldman Sucks or BofAmerika to exploit their "connections" to make MORE money for the 0.1%????

by Anonymousreply 19701/05/2014

Maybe Snowden should escape to an iz-land.

by Anonymousreply 19801/05/2014

"The National Security Agency routinely shares raw intelligence data with Israel without first sifting it to remove information about US citizens, a top-secret document provided to the Guardian by whistleblower Edward Snowden reveals."

by Anonymousreply 19901/06/2014

What a bombshell, r199.

Really. Who'd a thunk it.

by Anonymousreply 20001/06/2014

I see the cheap stench of Liberatarian idiots has wafted into this thread.

by Anonymousreply 20101/06/2014

Does this thread exist?

by Anonymousreply 20301/06/2014

[quote]And the necrotic stench of fascist assholes greeted me when I read your post, [R201].

Funny how anybody who dares to question your wisdom immediately gets pegged a fascist. It's almost like the word doesn't mean anything.

Here's something to make your tiny little fucked-up brain explode: I support the ACA, I support Edward Snowden, I don't give a shit about the Fed, and I believe like Einstein that only two things are infinite, the universe and the stupidity of Libertarians.

Now shut up and let the adults talk.

by Anonymousreply 20401/06/2014

[quote]Madoff had dozens of friends inside the SEC, and they protected him. Numerous junior staffers pointed out how he was manipulating regulations, and engaging in criminal behavior, but the bosses squashed any investigation. When it fell apart, many of those SEC bosses "retired" and took jobs with PRIVATE EQUITY UNDERWRITERS, committing the same crimes the covered up for Madoff.

So the obvious solution per your argument is more government regulation of the financial industry.

Glad to see Libertarians finally get in touch with reality.

by Anonymousreply 20501/06/2014

[quote]If the fact that tens of thousands of regulators, millions of pages of regulations, billions of dollars spent complying and Madoff STILL escaped unpunished for decades is a call for MORE government regulation - instead of cutting regulations, actually FUCKING ENFORCING the laws, and allowing the market to weed out bad actors by forcing transparency- then you are the same person who was shocked- SHOCKED- when the housing bubble popped, or when Bear Stearns imploded, or Fannie/Freddie failed- aka a total moron.

An amusing interpretation of reality. Here on our planet, the financial markets were totally unregulated prior to the 2008 meltdown.

And cutting financial regulations would fix financial malfeasance? What kind of drugs do you smoke to make that kind of logic work? Whatever it is, I think it's illegal in whatever SE asian tinpot dictatorship you call home.

"allowing the market to weed out bad actors" translation: turn a blind eye to malfeasance until the next meltdown. Self-regulation doesn't work.

You dream of a lovely world in which black is white, up is down, and eliminating laws would fix malfeasance. Lewis Carroll would be proud.

by Anonymousreply 20801/07/2014

What's with White House spokesman Jay Carney making himself look more like Edward Snowden?

by Anonymousreply 20901/07/2014

Neither you nor anyone who employs you has ever read one page of those regulations. Knock it off, liar.

by Anonymousreply 21101/11/2014

Do any of the normal people reading this thread have any idea why these retarded libertarians infest the DL, a liberal gay gossip website? They're not liberal, they're not gay, they take themselves and their loony bullshit far too seriously for pointless bitchery, they don't know any gossip, why are they here?

Seriously. Why?

by Anonymousreply 21303/05/2014

I'm happy to pick on both the anti-gay fascism of Putin AND the Russian State, PLUS criticise the US government for the NSA spying and dismantling of civil liberties. Oh, and still vote for Obama over Republican scum.

by Anonymousreply 21403/05/2014

I wonder how much Snowden likes being in Russia now that they're on the brink of starting WWIII.

by Anonymousreply 21503/05/2014

How did he get such a high clearance?

by Anonymousreply 21603/05/2014

I'm sure he prefers it to being in prison in the US, r215.

by Anonymousreply 21703/05/2014

[R2] That sounds like a porn flick fantasy.

by Anonymousreply 21803/06/2014

R214, are you a US citizen? You say you voted for Obama, which would mean you're American (US), yet you use "criticise," which is not a US spelling convention.

What gives?

by Anonymousreply 21903/07/2014

[quote]are you a US citizen? You say you voted for Obama, which would mean you're American (US), yet you use "criticise," which is not a US spelling convention.

Dear fucking lord.

by Anonymousreply 22003/07/2014

Edward Snowden should be put to death for endangering the well being of our country and directing us towards global confict and perhaps World War III. This threatens the well being of all American citizens which could die in combat and the loss of a free government. The NSA is investigating other people perhap three others involved with Edward Snowden. There is no question Alex Jones and Jesse Ventura are involved, although the question remains were the others involved in assisting Edward Snowden visiting Infowars and connected to Alex Jones and his visits to Russia where Alex Jones condemned the United States government on National Russian television while being crowned by Moscow and Putin for his aggression. Where the hell is the constitution and the treason laws of the country? We have government representatives involved in conspiray theories for political gain. There has to be some laws.There should be a congressional hearing with representatives facing investigation for charges. Only death for the traitor Edward Snowden the Russian.

by Anonymousreply 22103/24/2014

Eat a cookie R221, you'll feel better.

by Anonymousreply 22203/24/2014

Good thing Snowden is straight. If he were one of us, Putin would sucker punch him in the face repeatedly.

by Anonymousreply 22303/24/2014

r221, Your government was betraying your constitutionally protected rights and Edward Snowden exposed the privacy hating governments illegal and unethical practices.

You have seriously got to get some help so you can understand why you are voting against your own best interests in supporting the Fox news propaganda that Snowded betrayed his country when in truth the country has betrayed its citizens.

Please get help with your free floating anget that is being exploited.

by Anonymousreply 22403/24/2014

[quote]Your government was betraying your constitutionally protected rights and Edward Snowden exposed the privacy hating governments illegal and unethical practices.

We knew that under Dubya. It's old news. We were outraged then but were told this is the new normal in post 9/11 America.

That's why we now have shows like "Person of Interest" and countless other shows & movies about Big Brother spying on us.

Everybody knows that the US government is spying on's how we were able to embed an agent in an al qaeda connected group in Africa last year.

Yes, it sucks.

But we do have a FISA court to approve NSA eavesdropping. If you don't like it, then change it. I know that I would like to.

But stealing our secrets and fleeing to Russia only helps Putin. It does not help you or me. In fact, it puts us in danger because now Comrade Putin has all of our government secrets.

Secrets that they could exploit to terrorize the security vulnerabilities of the Boeing's 777 Flight Management System.

by Anonymousreply 22503/24/2014

In a free society, we the people would have privacy and the power to spy on our government officials.

If they aren't doing anything wrong, they have nothing to hide, right?

by Anonymousreply 22603/24/2014

Don't worry that mole on his neck will kill him in a year or so.

by Anonymousreply 22703/24/2014

Snowden Retained Expert in Espionage Act Defense

WASHINGTON — Edward J. Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor who provided journalists a trove of classified documents, retained a well-known Washington defense lawyer last summer in hopes of reaching a plea deal with federal prosecutors that would allow him to return to the United States and spare him significant prison time.

The lawyer, according to people familiar with the investigation, is Plato Cacheris, who has represented defendants in some of the highest-profile cases involving Espionage Act charges, including the convicted spies Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen and the convicted leaker Lawrence Franklin.

But nearly a year after Mr. Cacheris became involved, no agreement appears imminent, and government officials said the negotiations remained at an early stage.

The officials and others who discussed the case and Mr. Cacheris’s involvement in it spoke on condition of anonymity, citing the sensitivity of the talks.

Mr. Snowden, who now lives in Moscow, where he received temporary asylum, was charged last year with multiple violations of the Espionage Act. He faces up to 30 years in prison, and prosecutors could easily add more counts.

In a phone call, Mr. Cacheris said only: “It’s not something that I want to discuss, so I have no comment.”

Mr. Snowden’s revelations about the breadth and intrusiveness of the N.S.A.’s surveillance prompted the first major reconsideration of the government’s surveillance powers since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. President Obama has said he wants to stop the N.S.A.’s collection of every American’s phone records, a program that was the subject of the first news article based on Mr. Snowden’s documents. But Mr. Obama and other administration officials have said Mr. Snowden should return to the United States to face prosecution.

Mr. Snowden has said that he wants to live somewhere other than Russia, but that American diplomatic pressure is preventing him from traveling or obtaining asylum elsewhere. Still, as long as he can live indefinitely under asylum in Russia, he appears unlikely to strike a deal that would require a lengthy prison sentence.

“Snowden is interested in returning home,” said Ben Wizner, an American Civil Liberties Union lawyer who also represents Mr. Snowden. “He is and always has been on America’s side. He would cooperate in extraordinary ways in the right circumstances. But he does not believe that the ‘felon’ label is the right word for someone whose act of conscience has revitalized democratic oversight of the intelligence community and is leading to historic reforms.”

Prosecutors have signaled no interest in giving Mr. Snowden credit for the surveillance debate he started.

“He is accused of leaking classified information, and there is no question his actions have inflicted serious harms on our national security,” said Marc Raimondi, a Justice Department spokesman. He said Mr. Snowden was not a whistle-blower.

Any deal could depend on what information Mr. Snowden could give in return.

In December, Richard Ledgett, who was then the National Security Agency official leading the response to the leaks and has since become the agency’s deputy director, floated the idea of a deal in which Mr. Snowden would receive leniency in exchange for returning documents in his possession that he had not disclosed.

by Anonymousreply 22804/29/2014

“I would need assurances that the remainder of the data could be secured, and my bar for those assurances would be very high,” he said. “It would be more than just an assertion on his part.”

It is not clear whether Mr. Ledgett was suggesting an outcome in which Mr. Snowden persuaded journalists to destroy or return the documents, or whether the government believed Mr. Snowden had kept back documents to use as leverage.

Mr. Snowden has repeatedly said he did not bring any documents to Russia. He recently told Vanity Fair that there was no “doomsday cache” in his possession, saying, “Who would set up a system that incentivizes others to kill them?”

Even if he has no documents to return, Mr. Snowden could also help the N.S.A. by providing an accounting of what he took. Despite government claims that Mr. Snowden may have taken 1.7 million documents, Mr. Snowden also told Vanity Fair that figure is “a scare number based on an intentionally crude metric: everything that I ever digitally interacted with in my career.”

Mr. Ledgett confirmed to Vanity Fair that the N.S.A. did not know what he had taken.

Some leaks cases have ended with charges less than a felony, and Mr. Wizner’s remarks suggest that Mr. Snowden wants something similar. Thomas Drake, a former N.S.A. executive accused of leaking about waste and mismanagement to The Baltimore Sun, was charged under the Espionage Act with mishandling classified documents. He settled his case in 2011 for a misdemeanor guilty plea and served no prison time.

Several other leak cases under the Obama administration have resulted in deals for roughly two or three years in prison. At the far end of the spectrum, Chelsea Manning, formerly known as Pfc. Bradley Manning, who leaked documents to WikiLeaks, was sentenced by a military court last year to 35 years in prison.

Daniel Richman, a former federal prosecutor and a Columbia University law professor, said the first step toward a deal is hiring someone like Mr. Cacheris — “a lawyer whom the government can trust and has familiarity with.”

Mr. Cacheris previously represented Mr. Franklin, a Pentagon analyst who was prosecuted under the administration of George W. Bush for leaking classified information about Iran to pro-Israel lobbyists, who in turn were accused of passing it to journalists.

Mr. Franklin pleaded guilty in 2005 and was initially sentenced to nearly 13 years in prison. In 2009, a judge reduced the sentence to 10 months of community confinement.

In 2001, Mr. Cacheris represented Mr. Hanssen, an F.B.I. agent charged with spying for the Soviet Union and Russia. He negotiated a plea deal for a life sentence, sparing Mr. Hanssen the death penalty and allowing his wife to collect part of his pension.

In 1994, Mr. Cacheris represented Mr. Ames, a Central Intelligence Agency officer charged with being a Russian agent. Mr. Cacheris negotiated a deal for a life sentence for Mr. Ames and a lighter sentence for Mr. Ames's wife for aiding his spying.

But Mr. Snowden’s negotiations will face steep hurdles, Mr. Richman said, because even if he can offer something, the government will want a punishment that deters future leakers.

“If there isn’t a deal,” Mr. Richman said, “it’s an unfortunate but relatively stable thing for him to be in Russia for the rest of his life with an American indictment standing against him.”

by Anonymousreply 22904/29/2014

The Russians must despise him, but they won't let him go as long as they receive propaganda benefit from him or there is still some information to be sucked from his hard drives. If Snowdon had fled to Russia because he loved the country or was a FSB spy then the Russians would gladly shelter him for the rest of his life. As far as the FSB is concerned he's just a traitor, slime. He's lost now, a global pariah.

by Anonymousreply 23004/29/2014

It's mind-boggling to me that anyone would give our secrets to Russia, defect there, and ruin their own life.

That tells me that he was a Russian spy to begin with, and secured his position to steal our secrets.

Snowdon is NOT an honorable man.

by Anonymousreply 23104/29/2014

There have been numerous Russian spies placed here who managed to acquire perfect English with an American accent. And they really slipped through the cracks and did some real damage.

Some of them are brilliant and very effective in what they do.

by Anonymousreply 23204/29/2014

He wasn't a placed Russian spy - he's too stupid.

by Anonymousreply 23304/29/2014

Snowden is a REAL patriot.

He risked and gave it ALL to expose the evil rotten core of our government.

by Anonymousreply 23405/29/2014

Despicable human.

Very smug, and self satisfied.

I hope he has to move to somewhere much, much worse than Russia.

by Anonymousreply 23505/29/2014

Since he's not fat, DL'ers should love him, not bash him.

by Anonymousreply 23909/04/2014

Reviving this thread to repost this tidbit upthread, which, if true...tingstbte, but MH30?

'But stealing our secrets and fleeing to Russia only helps Putin. It does not help you or me. In fact, it puts us in danger because now Comrade Putin has all of our government secrets.

Secrets that they could exploit to terrorize the security vulnerabilities of the Boeing's 777 Flight Management System.'

by Anonymousreply 24009/07/2014

The OP is a stupid cunt who hates freedom and is too stupid to see that the USA is the new Evil Empire.

How many brown people have you killed today, OP?

by Anonymousreply 24109/07/2014

R241: Vlad Putin's personal butt boy.

by Anonymousreply 24209/07/2014

Snowden is a self-important, libertarian asshole.

by Anonymousreply 24309/07/2014


Oh, wait, first let's FREE AMERICA!

by Anonymousreply 24409/10/2014


by Anonymousreply 24509/11/2014

OP, I'll bet you feel stupid.

by Anonymousreply 24604/10/2015

OP, you're a cunt. A grizzled, useless cunt.

Clitordectomy is too good for you.

by Anonymousreply 24704/10/2015

Oh, shit. Grocery shopping! Getting food to feed himself!

Who the fuck does he think he is?

Count me as one who's happy he did what he did and happy he's not in prison for doing it.

by Anonymousreply 24804/23/2015

Me too, R248

by Anonymousreply 24904/23/2015

You can say what you want about Snowden, but self-serving he's definitely not.

by Anonymousreply 25005/03/2015

How can he be a hero for telling us what we already knew?

by Anonymousreply 25105/03/2015

'Self-serving cunt yet trapped cunt'


by Anonymousreply 25205/03/2015

Snowden is a hero.

by Anonymousreply 25305/03/2015

I love the irony of a guy who attacked/betrayed the US for it's surveillance practices running to a country notorious for "spying on our own people". A country run by a corrupt and brutal ex-KGB guy.

I'm guessing he's going to end up a lot like Kim Philby, in Russian misery of his own design.

by Anonymousreply 25405/03/2015


Snowden didn't "betray" the USA. He informed them of evil crimes by the USGOV.

by Anonymousreply 25505/03/2015

Police officers are more likely to be struck by lightning than be held financially accountable for their actions.—Law professor Joanna C. Schwartz (paraphrased)

“In a democratic society,” observed Oakland police chief Sean Whent, “people have a say in how they are policed.”

Unfortunately, if you can be kicked, punched, tasered, shot, intimidated, harassed, stripped, searched, brutalized, terrorized, wrongfully arrested, and even killed by a police officer, and that officer is never held accountable for violating your rights and his oath of office to serve and protect, never forced to make amends, never told that what he did was wrong, and never made to change his modus operandi, then you don’t live in a constitutional republic. You live in a police state.

It doesn’t even matter that “crime is at historic lowsand most cities are safer than they have been in generations, for residents and officers alike,” as the New York Times reports.

What matters is whether you’re going to make it through a police confrontation alive and with your health and freedoms intact. For a growing number of Americans, those confrontations do not end well.

As David O. Brown, the Dallas chief of police, noted: “Sometimes it seems like our young officers want to get into an athletic event with people they want to arrest. They have a ‘don’t retreat’ mentality. They feel like they’re warriors and they can’t back down when someone is running from them, no matter how minor the underlying crime is.”

Making matters worse, in the cop culture that is America today, the Bill of Rights doesn’t amount to much. Unless, that is, it’s the Law Enforcement Officers’ Bill of Rights (LEOBoR), which protects police officers from being subjected to the kinds of debilitating indignities heaped upon the average citizen.

Most Americans, oblivious about their own rights, aren’t even aware that police officers have their own Bill of Rights. Yet at the same time that our own protections against government abuses have been reduced to little more than historic window dressing, 14 states have already adopted LEOBoRs—written by police unions and being considered by many more states and Congress—which provides police officers accused of a crime with special due process rights and privileges not afforded to the average citizen.

In other words, the LEOBoR protects police officers from being treated as we are treated during criminal investigations: questioned unmercifully for hours on end, harassed, harangued, browbeaten, denied food, water and bathroom breaks, subjected to hostile interrogations, and left in the dark about our accusers and any charges and evidence against us.

Not only are officers given a 10-day “cooling-off period” during which they cannot be forced to make anystatements about the incident, but when they are questioned, it must be “for a reasonable length of time, at a reasonable hour, by only one or two investigators (who must be fellow policemen), and with plenty of breaks for food and water.”

by Anonymousreply 25605/07/2015

As time goes on, it becomes clear that Snowden performed a valuable service. Now the spy groups are being told that they can't continue collecting info from everyone in the nation.

by Anonymousreply 25705/10/2015


Don't be naïve.

The government will continue to spy, lie, kill, torture, rape, steal and destroy until people recognize that our government is evil, and decentralized power is the only solution.

by Anonymousreply 25805/10/2015

OP is a twisted cunt.

by Anonymousreply 25906/12/2015
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