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Is anyone going to pay the $95 penalty for not getting healthcare?

And have no plans to get insured, thus being 100% uninsured.

If so why?

by Anonymousreply 16904/17/2014

Is that $95 a year?

by Anonymousreply 910/01/2013

I think a lot of people are going to end up doing that just out of confusion. (they didn't know how to sign up etc.)

by Anonymousreply 1610/01/2013

Do I need to do anything if I'm employed and have insurance already?

by Anonymousreply 1710/01/2013

R17 No. You are all set. You don't need to do anything regarding Obamacare.

by Anonymousreply 1810/01/2013

Hold on a second. Does this mean if I don't have insurance my penalty is:

$95 for calendar year 2014


$325 for calendar year 2015 ???

by Anonymousreply 2010/01/2013

Link is busted and they have a message stating so. This is the NY State Exchange.

by Anonymousreply 2110/01/2013

I paid $200/mo. for 6 years at a previous job and never used the insurance once (knock wood).

I don't have any now, but October is my current employer's open enrollment period so I thought I'd do it now (even though a co-worker said it's "shitty").

by Anonymousreply 2410/03/2013

My sister is probably going to opt for the penalty. She is in her early 60s and retired, her income is too large for a subsidy.

Her insurance has been costing about $4,000/year. She just got her renewal and it will be $16,000 for 2014. She has no health conditions and hasn't even filed a claim in the past three years. $95 vs $16,000 is looking pretty good to her.

by Anonymousreply 2510/03/2013

If you don't get sick, etc.- how will "They" know you don't have insurance?

by Anonymousreply 2910/03/2013

R29, it will be on your tax return. You'll have to check a box that you have approved insurance. They may ask for proof.

R7, yes, under the new rules you can get insurance two days after you have an accident.

by Anonymousreply 3010/03/2013

I'm going to wait until the insurance company gives you a free toaster for signing up.

by Anonymousreply 3110/03/2013

I look for most insurance companies to close shop and re-open as casinos.

by Anonymousreply 5310/04/2013

[quote]You will probably qualify for health insurance for free until you start making money. That's nice, isn't it?

Please STOP using the word FREE. Nothing in life is free. Obamacare is not FREE. He may qualify for subsidies. Subsidies are not FREE. Someone is paying for them (the guys making 41-60K a year for starters...).

by Anonymousreply 5410/04/2013

Also the idea of the penalty is that it will increase to the point that the penalty, on a per month basis, will be about the same as the insurance premium under ACA (supposedly about $100/month either way for a single individual).

by Anonymousreply 5810/04/2013

Anyone else?

by Anonymousreply 6211/15/2013

Two Colorado Republicans want to make it easier to opt out of Obamacare by creating a tax deduction to offset the federal tax penalty for not buying health insurance.

Called the Healthcare Liberty Act, the proposal would “provide a state tax deduction for Coloradans, in an amount equal to the federal tax penalty, levied against them for failing to purchase health insurance as mandated by President Obama’s Affordable Care Act.”

by Anonymousreply 6312/19/2013

That sounds fair, #63. No muss, no fu$$.

Right now, I can't afford the cheapest coverage on that site ($330/mo.).

by Anonymousreply 6612/19/2013

I'm paying the penalty. My state hasn't expanded Medicaid coverage so I would have to pay $295 a month for shitty insurance. $6500 or $6800 deductible, $200 emergency room co-pay, $50 office visit co-pay.

I'm unemployed. Even if I were employed I couldn't afford $295 a month for insurance. A few years ago I had to be admitted to the hospital for a week. The cost was $21,000 (no surgery either). There was a charity program that paid the hospital part of the bill. I had to pay the Dr's bills. If I had Obamacare I wouldn't be eligible for the charity program and I would have had to declare bankruptcy.

So no, I'm not paying $295 a month only to have to declare bankruptcy if I am hospitalized again. I could get myself into this financial mess without paying $295 a month

by Anonymousreply 6712/19/2013

On 60 minutes they estimated that 5 million Americans will pay the penalty.

So that will be 500 million dollars the Government will collect.

by Anonymousreply 6904/06/2014

I. Have no job. No income. My car just got repod. My bf has been paying my rent but he's not exactly rolling in it. I got denied for Medicaid. The cheapest wuote I got from the website was around $200. I don't even have the money for food so I didn't sign up.

It does suck because I don't want to be without insurance, but I've been out of work for 3 months and I just don't have the money.

by Anonymousreply 7304/06/2014

My friend attempted to get it, but he would be socked with a 3K deductible. He's young and in good health, so unless something traumatic happened, he wouldn't even come close to satisfying the deductible. He's decided not to get it, pay the penalty, continue to get free medical care (though probably substandard care) at a clinic in his neighborhood.

by Anonymousreply 7404/06/2014

R75, I don't know! I applied for Medicaid, SNAP and TANF. I got SNAP benefits but on the phone interview I was told (very rudely actually) that TANF and Medicaid was "only for families".

by Anonymousreply 7604/06/2014

R81 I bumped the thread because 60 Minutes had a piece of the penalty last night.

by Anonymousreply 8304/07/2014

[quote] In some ways Obamacare does help the insurance history more than you. Bronze plans have a $6K deductible, more than the poor people who buy them can afford. So how does it benefit the Big Medicine? A 6K debt is unlikely to force even the poorest people into bankruptcy so medical providers will be much better equipped to collect something on the work they do.

It's $6800. Or at least that's what it is in the Obamacare insurance in my state. That's half the salary of a person who makes minimum wage. And they still have to pay $280 to $350 a month for insurance. If they are hospitalized that is enough to bankrupt them because they won't be able to ever pay that $6800 deductible. I'd be really mad if I was paying almost $300 a month for insurance and still had to declare bankruptcy

by Anonymousreply 8404/07/2014

I'm paying $391 a month for a gold plan and I have a $6350 annual out of pocket. I'm self employed and that's almost 25% of my annual income.

I picked up the gold plan mostly because I've been in less than stellar health the past few years. Was with and without insurance several times over the past 4 years when I lost my job. When I got a job a couple of years ago and got insurance again, the insurance wouldn't pay for anything, everything I had was a "preexisting condition."

I started freelancing when my job was sent overseas last summer. Grabbed insurance through a state plan since the company i worked for was too small to do COBRA. My insurance ran out in December. My plan under Obamacare kicked in March 1.

I was sick as a dog all of February and did everything I could to try and avoid the doctors since it took me several years to pay off all the unpaid medical bills from a few years ago.

A few weeks ago I see my doctor. My blood work came back with some issues. I was sent in for a CT scan due to the blood work. CT scan was not good and I got a diagnosis for a terminal disease.

Last weekend I started bleeding out of my ass. I got to the emergency room and was admitted. Spend a couple of days. The bill so far is hovering around $20K from what I can tell from what has shown up on the insurance company's website. I'll be on the hook for $6350 of that. It seems kind of pointless to pay that much money for insurance and still have such a huge out of pocket which for somebody with a crap income is just as likely to push somebody into bankruptcy as a catastrophic bill.

I go in tomorrow to see a specialist and then to have a biopsy and maybe find out how long I have. I can't believe that even though I bought the best plan I could, I'm going to have to be concerned about having that ridiculous out of pocket hanging over me head while I deal with this illness.

by Anonymousreply 8504/07/2014

Dear R25 I don't have insurance, I went to the California site and my coverage would be $425 a month with a $5000 deductible. I make $43,000 a year and I can't afford it.

by Anonymousreply 8604/07/2014

R87, I opted for the Gold Plan because I knew I was ill. I am getting subsidy of around $100 a month.

If I opted for the bronze plan I could be paying $200 a month and a $2500 annual deductible. My current plan has no deductibles, but all of the plans have the $6350 annual out of pocket. So basically as of right now if I had picked the cheaper plan I'd be having to come up with $8850 vs $6350 for my adventure at the hospital last week.

Since I'm going to end up needing at lot more care, this will be less expensive for me, but an annual $6350 out of pocket is a lot of money for what I am paying.

by Anonymousreply 8904/07/2014

A friend lives in Georgia and is going to have to take the penalty. He's 52 and doesn't make much, less than $12K a year. Because Georgia didn't expand Medicare, he doesn't get any subsidies and he can't afford the insurance. Something like 600,000 people in Georgia alone are in the same predicament.

I KNOW this is the fault of Republicans who want these people to think Obamacare "failed," and I know there are a lot of pro-ACA people on DL, but I have a lot of trouble supporting such a flawed system. How could this have been passed when literally millions of the poorest people in something like 15 states will be left out in the cold?

How can some of you be cheering it on and screaming at those who say they can't afford it? Are you not aware of the states that refused to expand Medicare?

by Anonymousreply 9104/07/2014

Which is why Libertarians have no say over healthcare policy. What keeps you or me from declaring myself a surgeon with no training whatsoever?

Pathetic idiots.

by Anonymousreply 9304/07/2014

[quote] And if you have a doctor why would you go to the emergency room for a bleeding ass?

Because you can bleed to death by waiting until you can get an appointment with your dr

Where the hell do you live that you can just go to the dr anytime you want?

by Anonymousreply 9404/07/2014

[quote] A practiced surgeon who could open his or her own surgical clinic, with ZERO government paperwork could provide amazing care at very low prices.

He probably could. He just wouldn't be able to get paid for anything by Medicaid or Medicare. Dr's don't have to take Medicare and Medicaid patients

Hospitals don't have to be accredited by JCAHO. If they don't have accreditation, they will not get one dime from Medicare and Medicaid. But almost all hospitals need government money to survive. Any hospital that loses its accreditation would have to close

by Anonymousreply 9504/07/2014

Thanks, #91. I'm so tired of the Rah-Rah Obam-ah. Not every state is so progressive, esp. those with a Repug Gov.

I think it's despicable that they took something so noble- affordabale healthcare for everyone- and turned it into another fucking moneymaking trap for the idealistic sheeple. Everything they do is to squeeze another penny out of the peasants.

If it's so wonderful, why are they going to "fine" us for not participating?

by Anonymousreply 9604/07/2014

r90, I was told to go to the emergency room because my spleen is not functioning correctly, I have next to no platelets and and am not clotting. I was bleeding so bad internally that it was coming out my rear. If not taken care of quickly I would have bled to death. I had to wait 3 weeks to get the appointment with the specialist I am seeing.

by Anonymousreply 9904/07/2014

Start praying really,really hard.

by Anonymousreply 10104/07/2014

[quote] What plan is it that someone working full time earning minimum wage costs them $300 a month?

In Georgia. And actually that is the plan for me. I'm unemployed. I have no money coming in. Georgia refuses to expand medicaid coverage.

by Anonymousreply 10304/08/2014

[R76] My friend lives in South Carolina and was told the same thing about Medicare. The rules are different in every state.

I make next to nothing at this point and in September I will be on Medicare. I went on the site for health care and got really good insurance for a good price, a good subsidy. I could have picked something on a lower level and paid even less.

by Anonymousreply 10604/08/2014

[quote]A practiced surgeon who could open his or her own surgical clinic, with ZERO government paperwork could provide amazing care at very low prices.

And how am I supposed to know that this person is a trained surgeon and not some Libertarian twat (e.g., Rand Paul) playing doctor?

And don't tell me the market will fix it. It won't.

by Anonymousreply 10704/08/2014

I cannot understand why there are such high deductibles when some of you are paying $350-$650 and up a month out of pocket. I almost fainted when a friend, who pays $750 a month for healthcare, still has outrageous deductibles. IMHO, it appears the health insurance companies are still winning!

I'm self-employed, I'm a freelance Art Director, I've paid out of pocket into my HMO plan since 1984. Sure, I was young and healthy when I opted for an HMO, it was all I could afford at the time. With HMOs/managed care I'm limited to see the doctors within my medical group, but for serious illnesses such as cancer, the HMO does have a list of doctors affiliated with top hospitals who accept my HMO plan, such as NY Pres. etc)

Over the past few years my health has not been the best (I have HBP, which appears to be genetic, my dad has heart disease). I've had two surgeries, unrelated to my HBP, I was 100% covered. There were NO deductibles, NO co-pays, nothing. My monthly premiums covered everything, that's the way most insurance plans should be, unfortunately, under the AHCA, I don't see this gettting better for consumers.

Most of you are not going to like what I have to say, buy why weren't the self-employed people in this thread already paying into their own health insurance plans? You were without insurance during all your years of freelancing?

It stands to reason, having the same insurance plan longer, your premiums might be less than anyone trying to get into a new plan as a self-employed or single payer patient. Do all these new plans on the exchange have deductibles?

Over the years, when I called my HMO to complain about rate hikes, I've been reminded, many times: "Your plan no longer exists, if you were to ever drop it, you cannot get this low monthly rate for a similar plan."

I currently pay $425 a month, I have 100% coverage for surgery, diagnostic tests (colonsocopy, MRI etc) as well as blood tests. I have small co-pays for my medications. That's $5100 a year with no extra costs, except low co-pays for medication. Of course, over the years I've struggled trying to pay premiums when some of my accounts dried out, but I cut back in other areas.

As for Medicaid, in NY state, a single person can apply for Medicaid, if you make no more than $1,000 a month, you are eligible.

The reason why unemployed people cannot easily get Medicaid, you must show some means of support to qualify, even a part time job. You can be an adult who is supported by a parent or a relative, you just need to provide a signed letter of support. Like the ceiling amount allowed for a low income worker, the support amount can be no more than $1000, which, of course, means your rent/monthly expenses cannot exceed $1000. Difficult to do in a place like NYC.

For most young people living in NYC, especially those new to the city, I doubt they'd have such a low rent unless then can prove they have a roommate or two.

by Anonymousreply 10904/08/2014

[quote] So, if you allowed ANYONE to provide medical service as long as they explicitly told customers they were "outside the government control and regulation" then why stop them? If I wanted to contract with a doctor/hospital and set MY OWN RATES and they can take it or leave it, why not?

Insurance companies would also not deal with a dr that doesn't want to comply with regulations.

[quote] Why do you want to give the government MORE power over our lives?

Christ, you sound like a lunatic

[quote] Doctors, hospitals, insurance companies...they all have myriad regulations and bullshit codes they must follow. I saw it when my grandmother died, my cousin died and then I almost died MYSELF!

I can guarantee you that almost every regulation mandated by the government is because a bunch of people died or almost died because no regulation existed or there weren't any regulations and many medical providers were able to steal a lot of money from the government. Those reasons are why regulations are enacted. And a lot of these regulations and bullshit codes you say they must follow are actually regulations/codes that the insurance companies mandated

There actually are drs who won't take Obamacare, Medicaid, Medicare or any insurance. All their patients pay cash. And despite not having to deal with insurance companies or the govt, they generally are as expensive or more expensive than doctors who do accept these programs

by Anonymousreply 11104/08/2014

[quote] A practiced surgeon who could open his or her own surgical clinic, with ZERO government paperwork could provide amazing care at very low prices.

You obviously don't know how much surgeons make. After working in a teaching hospital for over 8 yrs, I have met about 120 surgeons and not one of them would ever consider providing amazing care at very low prices. And I've never heard of a surgeon who doesn't take insurance. They'd be bankrupt if they didn't.

I'll tell you how our country got into this mess, we got into it because of Doctors. Back in the 1960's and 1970's they are the ones who decided HMO's were the way to go. They all thought they were going to make more money and do less work. That sure as hell didn't work out that way at all. It backfired on them and they've been bitching and moaning. You might hear a surgeon bitch and moan about regulations and how they are holding them back, but there isn't one of them that would take low pay with no regulations over high pay with lots of regulations. And the insurance companies followed what the HMO's were doing. No dr on earth has to take insurance, Medicaid or Medicare. The ones that do, willingly chose to do that

by Anonymousreply 11204/08/2014


by Anonymousreply 11304/08/2014

Those Cuban guys in Miami that do booty enhancement surgery by injecting cooking oil and Fix-a-Flat into your ass - ZERO regulation happening there. The free market sure didn't prevent them from killing people. And nobody did a damn thing until the Feds found out.

In a perfect Libertarian world, predators would have total freedom to kill people at their leisure. Which I guess is why Libertarians have never been in charge.

by Anonymousreply 11404/08/2014

A fee years ago, I worked closely with a boss who coughed over me for a couple months before I got pneumonia. Otherwise, I'm perfectly healthy. The hospital thought it might be TB because of all the Indians I work with, and because I was coughing-up blood by my second ER visit (the first time the bastards sent me home). So, the bastards but me in an isolation unit behind a negative pressure double door. Bill: $35,000. Cost to me: $0. I am glad I had insurance!

by Anonymousreply 11604/08/2014

Share the house by moving in together

That's the way they became the Brady Brides

And Ann B Alice as Davis....

by Anonymousreply 11704/08/2014

r109, who is your provider? I had an HMO through Oxford back in the 90s when I was freelancing and I paid around $100 a month and everything was covered. I know from other people that Oxford and other insurance companies were trying to push out their single policy holders and raising rates like crazy.

I now have 100% employer-sponsored coverage through Blue Cross. Even though I don't pay anything out of pocket every month, I have a $1,000 deductible and $50 co-pays. Then Blue Cross pays the doctor/lab a percentage of the treatment and I get a bill for the rest. If I was ever seriously sick or hurt (knock wood) all of that extra out-of-pocket would add up.

by Anonymousreply 11804/08/2014

I am not paying the 95 dollars fuck them

by Anonymousreply 12004/08/2014

America, rise up and stand your ground !

by Anonymousreply 12104/08/2014

A lot of people are going to get a rude awakening when they find finally take notice of the "or" and that they're paying a lot more than $95.

by Anonymousreply 12204/08/2014

What a weird system. What about all the crazies, substance abusers, slackers, etc. who just can't even manage to navigate through the sign-up process? In the rest of the civilized world you don't have to opt in and sign-up. You're born covered. It's called the principle of universality.

by Anonymousreply 12404/08/2014

One per cent of zero income from an unemployed person is still zero. Ninety five dollars from someone with no income is virtually impossible to collect.

by Anonymousreply 12504/08/2014

What kind of refund would a single person with no income and no tax credits get? They cannot even get cash assistance from welfare unless they have young children.

by Anonymousreply 12704/08/2014

Democrats don't have the cojones to enforce this fine.

Not 1 single person will EVER have to pay it.

by Anonymousreply 12804/08/2014

I'm not paying that much for a penalty, it's too much!

by Anonymousreply 13004/08/2014

It will be very interesting to see "what about tax time " in 2015. The plan may be defunct by then. Why do you think they're not even attempting to collect it this year? I heartily agree with r128, they haven't got a plan or the balls.

by Anonymousreply 13204/08/2014

The only way you can "pay" is if you are getting a refund and the penalty is deducted from your refund. It won't matter, the penalty will be long gone before next year's filing deadline.

by Anonymousreply 13304/08/2014

Still won't happen R129.

Dems are terrified of losing one single vote.

by Anonymousreply 13404/08/2014


I wish I lived in your fantasy world.

by Anonymousreply 13704/10/2014


The UL (that's United Labs, the people that certify electronics) model works.

If I needed care and saw that the closest provider had zero stars from Yelp4Docs, I would choose a Dr that had great reviews from DrYelp, Angie's Dr list, and any other of dozens of sites that would certify and insure my doctor if he fucked up.

You have terminal cancer and want to try that experimental drug? Well, you could indemnify your Dr (or the Dr that took on the risk) and raise your survival chance from 1% to 5%.

The FDA is evil.

by Anonymousreply 13804/10/2014


[quote]IMHO, it appears the health insurance companies are still winning!

They wrote the PP-ACA (Obamacare) so of course they are making money.

They are protected by the government, and allow zero competition.

Solution- allow people AND docs to "opt-out"- they see patients, can contract to offer private insurance, give any drug (no FDA) and leave the government controlled system behind.

If you really want to help the poor, this model is the only sane way to do it. It I'll destroy government care- Medicaid and Medicare- because people want the freedom while at the same time giving the government MORE MONEY to fund Medicare/Aid since fewer people are using it.

by Anonymousreply 13904/10/2014

What part of our lives will the government attempt to control next?

by Anonymousreply 14004/10/2014

It will mandate how many times you will be allowed to flush the toilet per day. And is it really necessary to use toilet paper?

by Anonymousreply 14104/10/2014

It will mandate that you download an app that measures your BMI, weight, food intake and activity. If your fat % goes above a limit you have an automatic fee tacked onto your premium. The app will know if you're smoking, drinking, snacking on junk, having unprotected sex, driving over the speed limit, stealing office supplies, and how you are planning to vote. The app will be part of your internally implanted device. You will have to pay for the app, or else pay a fine.

by Anonymousreply 14204/11/2014

I honestly don't people who are SO paranoid about "Big Government."

Government is made up of individual human beings.

WE are the government in many ways.

W/O government this country would be a libertarian NIGHTMARE.

by Anonymousreply 14304/11/2014


Get the government OUT of health care.

Just pass a law that says--

--1--Any citizen can provide health care services.

--2--Those services will not be covered by Meicare, Medicaid, or any state or federal chartered insurance company.

--3--Anyone who wants to deposit money with a non-recognized insurance company will be able to deduct those deposits from federal taxes.

--41-No services provided will be adjudicated by the government.

Basically get the government OUT of medicine.

If this happened the government controlled health care system would be dead within weeks.

by Anonymousreply 14404/11/2014

R144=genocidal maniac

by Anonymousreply 14504/11/2014

Where's my fucking paperwork?!

by Anonymousreply 14604/11/2014

If you don't have income this year, the fine will carry forward into next year, probably with interest. Eventually, hopefully, you will have income and the fines from all the years you go without insurance will be deducted from your tax refund. So, you will pay, eventually.

And you should pay the fine! If you're going without insurance now, and get hurt, you'll get treatment that the rest of us pay for through high medical bills.

by Anonymousreply 14704/11/2014

To R141, Honestly, I don't feel oppressed. I think it's silly to worry that "we the people" will oppress me.

by Anonymousreply 14804/11/2014

To the people in states where the state government refuses to expand Medicare - this is why you should vote Democrat in the next election. Blue state people in your situation are getting medical coverage at affordable rates, and so should you!

by Anonymousreply 14904/11/2014

I made a doctors appointment and they asked is your insurance Obamacare? I couldn't tell if they meant that as a good thing or a bad thing.

by Anonymousreply 15004/11/2014

Fuck the libertarian troll and kill him.

I volunteer for that.

by Anonymousreply 15104/11/2014


You could keep your Obamacare. Nothing would change for you.

Allowing Doctors create free market clinics and hospitals where the government was not allowed to prescribe or proscribe certifications or treatments- drugs, techniques, technology- would cause Obamacare to fail, but only because it was outside government control. Patients and doctors would jointly create a plan that they both agreed upon.

He dies- his insurance company gives his family $100k. He lives- he owes the whatever they negotiated. If he says "you take 10% of my income for 20 years if I life"...well, he's still alive or the doctor is screwed.

Look at "Dallas Buyers Club"- the government kept killing these men until one man stood up and told them to fuck off because they were keeping a life saving drug to dying people. The government could not care less if they died!!!

by Anonymousreply 15204/11/2014

R152, you seek to treat people like a commodity. MAA if a list live could be compensate with money like a lost suitcase. Your being shortsighted, to put it kindly. Most people don't have your values, and thank God our legal and regulatory systems don't.

by Anonymousreply 15304/12/2014

Meanwhile, Paul Krugman writes:

[quote] And while supposed Obamacare horror stories keep on turning out to be false, it’s already quite easy to find examples of people who died because their states refused to expand Medicaid. According to one recent study, the death toll from Medicaid rejection is likely to run between 7,000 and 17,000 Americans each year

Why pay the $95 when you could just die instead? Yeah, that'll show them!

by Anonymousreply 15404/12/2014


by Anonymousreply 15504/12/2014

In the spirit of the Libertarian Idiot Troll's(TM) highly amusing healthcare proposals @R144, I hereby declare myself a surgeon.

Now, who wants an appendectomy?? First one's free!

by Anonymousreply 15604/12/2014

R149, you mean Medicaid, not Medicare. Big difference.

by Anonymousreply 15704/12/2014

Do I look worried..... No way in hell this fine ever gets enforced!

It will fall by the wayside, just like the Medicare Advantage cuts and the employer mandate(after it's delayed abt 30 times).

by Anonymousreply 15804/12/2014


Obama has already changed who has to pay and who is exempt.

by Anonymousreply 15904/15/2014


by Anonymousreply 16004/15/2014

R161, your expectations are ridiculous. The Democrats are the peace and prosperity party, the Republicans are the 1%-ers and ignorance and racism party.

And yes, it takes 8 years for the Dems to cleanup the all the damage the Repubs created.

by Anonymousreply 16204/15/2014

r161 doesn't even sound American.


by Anonymousreply 16304/16/2014

R162 only sees the world in black and white.

Neither political party is anywhere close to pure.

by Anonymousreply 16404/16/2014

No, neither one is.

But one is MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH worse than the other.

by Anonymousreply 16504/16/2014

The point of Obamacare was to help people get healthcare. To do that, to make it possible, it had to be implemented through the existing infrastructure, otherwise the entrenched interests would have fought and killed it, and they came close to doing so as it was. This is not the sane as being "beholden to the big corporations and banks".

And the Dems passed the Dodd-Frank bill, which the banks hate.

The Dens fight for working people and the 99%, but politics is the art of the possible. In a fantasy world, the Dens wouldn't have to compromise, but in the real world, compromise is necessary to get anything done.

by Anonymousreply 16704/17/2014

No to the false equivalence troll.

No no no.

Democrats are vastly superior to Republicans, even though they are far from perfect.

by Anonymousreply 16804/17/2014


No. You really think millionaire Democrats give a shit about you?

by Anonymousreply 16904/17/2014
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