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OK..there's a pogrom! have to leave the USA immediately! and settle somewhere else...

Where would you go?

Just one choice and you have to decide immediately! Right now! (and maybe add why you've picked it).


London...don't even like it that much, but I'm used to big cities and they speak English and I could probably feel reasonably at home there.

by Anonymousreply 12510/01/2013

I'm too old. I'm ready for the gas chamber.

by Anonymousreply 109/28/2013

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

by Anonymousreply 209/28/2013

Edinburgh. Unbelievably beautiful, cultured, already know people there.

by Anonymousreply 309/28/2013

The Equator

by Anonymousreply 409/28/2013

Nigeria. Beautiful beaches and very gay friendly.

by Anonymousreply 509/28/2013

Belize. They speak English, and it never snows, and they have universal health care.

by Anonymousreply 609/28/2013

London, Edinburgh, or Stockholm

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by Anonymousreply 809/28/2013

I'd probably go back to Berlin, spent several years there so it's familiar. 2nd choice Melbourne, AU

by Anonymousreply 909/28/2013

London, Birmingham or Edinburgh.

by Anonymousreply 1009/28/2013

Bhutan = Gross National Happiness (unless you're of Nepalese descent)

by Anonymousreply 1109/28/2013

Spain baby, Spain!

by Anonymousreply 1209/28/2013

UK, Australia, New Zealand. Europe, generally.

by Anonymousreply 1309/28/2013

France, I like to eat well and enjoy life!

by Anonymousreply 1409/28/2013

I would like to know HOW you get to live in one of these countries? What are the best, easiest, quickest (legal) strategies?

by Anonymousreply 1509/28/2013


by Anonymousreply 1609/28/2013

Get married to someone from the country is quickest and easiest.

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by Anonymousreply 1809/28/2013

Is there a swap web site for that? Like, I want euro citizenship, you want u.s. citizenship, lets get married!

by Anonymousreply 1909/28/2013

R15 you can apply for naturalization after 5 years living in the UK.

by Anonymousreply 2009/28/2013

Ireland. I've already got the passport. And I think I could live pretty well over there.

by Anonymousreply 2109/28/2013

I knew an admittedly handsome fellow who did a semester abroad in the UK. By the time he was to leave he had several fag hags doting on him and dying for him to marry them so that he could stay and be their friend still. I'm sure they were hoping for more, including pumping out a couple of his rug rats. Alas, I am too old and portly now for such things.

by Anonymousreply 2209/28/2013

Edinburgh! (And then a respite in Sydney when the rain gets to be too much.)

by Anonymousreply 2309/28/2013

First, over the boarder to Canada... then to Ottawa or Toronto for access to their government and repatriation. Staying there... and if not then on to other points (Scandanavian country or Ireland or... )

by Anonymousreply 2409/28/2013

Craigslist, platonic relationships, R19. See posts like that all the time.

by Anonymousreply 2509/28/2013

We should all move to Canada and make it more American.

by Anonymousreply 2609/28/2013

"First, over the boarder to Canada"

Don't you think you'll piss him off as you jump over his bed?

by Anonymousreply 2709/28/2013

Dublin. Then I will take the ferry to London to work like the rest of the Micks.

by Anonymousreply 2809/28/2013

Bologna -- best food in Italy, great city.

by Anonymousreply 2909/28/2013

wanna get married R21?

by Anonymousreply 3009/28/2013

New Zealand. Don't laugh, but the cinematography of LOTR showed me how beautiful it is. I'd like to own a farm.

by Anonymousreply 3109/28/2013

I'm coming along with the Edinburgh contingent. We can go together! After a while we'll make new friends and probably won't like each other so much and we're taking R1...he can't stay behind all gloomy like that.

Think of the children! R1

by Anonymousreply 3209/28/2013

>>>France, I like to eat well and enjoy life!

I would have said France a few years ago...20 years ago, but I think it's bad there now... A lot of people are leaving, or is that just the rich?

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by Anonymousreply 3609/28/2013

Buenos Aires.

by Anonymousreply 3709/28/2013

Back to Anatevka.

by Anonymousreply 3809/28/2013

England, preferably near London.

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by Anonymousreply 4009/29/2013

Some quiet, little village in the west of England. Next to Miss Marple maybe?

by Anonymousreply 4109/29/2013

Edinburgh? After you've look at the scenery, what is there to do? There's only about two good places to eat, the boys are mostly weasely, and there's that depressing "everything is shiite" attitude. Optimistic and ambitious they're not.

by Anonymousreply 4209/29/2013

I would pick Australia, as I believe they have relatively easy landed citizen entrance.

Canada would be second - they are stricter but I assume a pogrom means I might squeak in asa refugee.

I do love Toronto, though Canada is is some ways more like the US than it cares to admit in that Toronto is no more all of Canada than NYC is America, there's flyover country there too, etc.

And Germany would be 3rd. I have roots there and the BF is from there.

by Anonymousreply 4309/29/2013

My first selection would be Toronto to stay with friends. I could drive there no problem. Second city would be London. i would stay with a friend there.

by Anonymousreply 4409/29/2013

If I flash my foreskin can I bag DVF's apartment?

by Anonymousreply 4509/29/2013

[quote]First, over the boarder to Canada...

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 4609/29/2013

Ireland. I can get citizenship easily, and from there, become a Euro citizen.

The idea of going to Europe to avoid a pogrom is hysterical, of course.

by Anonymousreply 4709/29/2013

[quote]Edinburgh? After you've look at the scenery, what is there to do? There's only about two good places to eat, the boys are mostly weasely, and there's that depressing "everything is shiite" attitude. Optimistic and ambitious they're not.

Well, thank you for ruining that little fantasy.

Any better suggestions?

by Anonymousreply 4809/29/2013

We'll always have Paris

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by Anonymousreply 5109/29/2013

My mother's side of the family is Scots-Irish, r42. That drear is in my bones (though some sunlight in Sydney would be welcome every once in a while). My trip to Edinburgh felt like coming home. I found the guys hot. And guess what? Everything, in the end, IS shite.

by Anonymousreply 5209/29/2013

Well in this scenario there are lots of people trying to get away, which by itself limits our options.

What places in the world genuinely want people? Siberia and Kazakstan and Turkmenistan I suppose, Canada, Australia, and possibly Argentina and Brazil. Maybe Libya. But that's about it. Everywhere else is full up. And Canada and Australia are the only ones who would want Americans in decent numbers.

by Anonymousreply 5309/29/2013

New Zealand. North Island.

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by Anonymousreply 5509/29/2013

[r27]... LOL. Thanks for the laugh, but I am taking the boarder with me over the border

by Anonymousreply 5609/29/2013

So basically everyone here would decamp to a majority white, western country.

by Anonymousreply 5709/29/2013

Uh huh.

by Anonymousreply 5809/29/2013

The Faroe Islands.

And to R57, of course.

by Anonymousreply 5909/29/2013

London, or Brighton.

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by Anonymousreply 6109/29/2013

London or Rome

by Anonymousreply 6209/29/2013

Edinburgh, me too (same as R3). Friendlier and more human-scaled than London.

by Anonymousreply 6309/29/2013

Well South Africa would be beautiful but they are suffering a population explosion.

by Anonymousreply 6409/29/2013

Greenland. Once the ice melts, there will be lots of vacant land for development.

by Anonymousreply 6509/29/2013

Don't go to any malls, r5.

Areas: Cornwall; Brittany; Alsace; Cotswolds.

Maybe PEI.

by Anonymousreply 6609/29/2013

Antarctica will probably be the most beautiful of all continents once that pesky ice has gone and a pole shift has placed the north pole in Gambia.

by Anonymousreply 6709/29/2013

R57, a majority white western country is going to be the most gay friendly, with exceptions.

You are expecting people to pick Gambia, Somalia or Iran?

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by Anonymousreply 6909/29/2013

R42 you mean except for the biggest arts festival in the world, the countless comedy clubs, the museums, the theaters, the open air concerts, the huge New Years party, the nightclubs, the quirky restaurants, the fantastic pubs with open fires, the catacombs under the city, walking on the beach, climbing the volcano right in the middle of the city (not the one the castle is on, the other one)... I'm guessing you've never been.

by Anonymousreply 7009/29/2013

Positano, Italy.

I like it there. Speak decent enough Italian.

by Anonymousreply 7109/29/2013

Bayern, GE

by Anonymousreply 7209/29/2013

Brighton. Only an hour away from London but with better weather.

by Anonymousreply 7309/29/2013

Buenos Aires.

by Anonymousreply 7409/29/2013

The Cotswolds, naturally.

by Anonymousreply 7509/29/2013

West Virginia, I guess.

by Anonymousreply 7609/29/2013

Auckland, New Zealand

by Anonymousreply 7709/30/2013

A cozy little cottage in the Cotswolds where I could cradle a big cup of tea and not have to worry about pogroms.

by Anonymousreply 7809/30/2013

Photo of R78 and his BF in their new home in the Cotswolds @ link

by Anonymousreply 7909/30/2013

Sorry about that >>> R78 @ link

by Anonymousreply 8009/30/2013

Moving to Auckland would definitely be like throwing away the key and never coming back.

Sounds like some people can't wait to go.

by Anonymousreply 8109/30/2013

Dublin Ireland very easy to get around, friendly people who speak English, and the countryside is beutiful .

by Anonymousreply 8209/30/2013

I would leave tonight if I could. But, alas, I can't.

by Anonymousreply 8309/30/2013

[quote] Bayern

Where? Obersalzberg?!



There's no there there.

It's a azure nihilism.

As a friend said: " You need to visit it to realise you didn't need to visit it."

Actually, there is: South Auckland is just one big aglomeration of dumb, poor and massively overweight maoris and pacific islanders living in mutual contempt, who don't get a write-up in puffy travel articles such as at the link.

Read "Going As Far As I Can" : a fabulous pisstake of NZ that outraged the thin-skinned media there.

by Anonymousreply 8409/30/2013

I'd head back to the Netherlands.

by Anonymousreply 8509/30/2013

Nova Scotia or PEI

by Anonymousreply 8609/30/2013

r84 As a New Zealander I would have to agree with your summation. Auckland is best avoided unless you live on the beautiful east coast. It is essentially a bunch of dumpy suburbs linked by a motorway. However, there is still a lot of beauty to be found not far from the city itself. The more I travel, the more I enjoy going back to NZ. Yes, the people can be provincial and smallminded...but my friends seem to be incredibly happy compared to the rest of the world.

by Anonymousreply 8710/01/2013

sydney. nice weather and hot gays.

by Anonymousreply 8810/01/2013

Agree that Auckland is 50 years in the past but the rest of the country is worth the journey. Great beaches, skiing is cheap and easy to get to and the people are easy going and tolerant.

by Anonymousreply 8910/01/2013

NZ - Free healthcare, no crazy fucks with guns to shoot at me in school or the mall and a Gay Marriage bill that passed without any fuss.

by Anonymousreply 9010/01/2013

What if you're not from the USA?

by Anonymousreply 9110/01/2013

Then you help with the invasion....

by Anonymousreply 9210/01/2013

Aitutaki in the Cook Islands ...where I could get away from that kind of human bullshit once and for all.

by Anonymousreply 9310/01/2013

Is the pogram complimentary or do you have to pay for it?

by Anonymousreply 9410/01/2013

Austria, where I could hide my daughter in my basement for 30 years and fuck her.

by Anonymousreply 9510/01/2013

I like the Idea of Brighton or Sydney if I need to make a living.

Malta or PEI if I do not.

by Anonymousreply 9610/01/2013

When I first read this, without my glasses on and just out of bed, I thought it said progrum (like my crazy aunt used to say for her soap operas) instead of pogrom and was trying to figure out which would could possibly make me move out of the country.

by Anonymousreply 9710/01/2013

All my life until now I thought the word was progrom.

by Anonymousreply 9810/01/2013

Reykjavík or one of its suburbs

by Anonymousreply 9910/01/2013

The national character of New Zealand is passive aggressive due to an inferiority complex. And they're happy, but they're dumb happy. If you're smart you can be the loneliest person in the room. Have a drink. Have a dozen.

Yeah it's pretty. In parts. But from a fiord it's a solid drive of 3 hours to arrive somewhere provincial. From a fiord in Norway you can be somewhere cosmopolitan fast for the same effort.

by Anonymousreply 10010/01/2013

Speaking of the Nordic countries: it's becoming slowly more progressive, but the Faroe Islands (one of the constituent countries of the Kingdom of Denmark, along with metropolitan Denmark itself and Greenland) has a surprisingly high percentage of fundie Christians among its tiny population. Lots of Plymouth Brethren. The equal marriage laws in Denmark don't apply to the Faroes or Greenland, since the latter have devolved legislatures. So although I'd ideally move to the Faroes for the remoteness and natural beauty, I'm not 100% sure of its gay-friendliness.

by Anonymousreply 10110/01/2013

I'm another who can claim Irish citizenship through my grandfather, so it's a no-brainer. Bonus: cute Irish guys!

by Anonymousreply 10210/01/2013

[quote] [Of New Zealand] And they're happy, but they're dumb happy. If you're smart you can be the loneliest person in the room. Have a drink. Have a dozen.

I think R100's fine description applies equally well to Australia.

by Anonymousreply 10310/01/2013

I want to escape over the Alps to neutral Switzerland with the help of some crafty old nuns, just like the family Von Trapp!

by Anonymousreply 10410/01/2013

[quote]So basically everyone here would decamp to a majority white, western country.

WTF? We're escaping a pogrom, not planning our next cruise.

Guess what? I'm a white westerner. Add vicious persecution in the form of a pogrom and I'm not going to flee to someplace where I'll stick out more.

This is an American website with a few European and Anglosphere posters abroad, and you're shocked that most of us would decamp to a place where we'd blend in after a pogrom? Do you even know what a pogrom is, doll?

by Anonymousreply 10510/01/2013

[quote]So basically everyone here would decamp to a majority white, western country.

Everyone here would decamp to a country where rights and equality are respected.

by Anonymousreply 10610/01/2013

Exactly, R106.

R57 would flee an anti-gay pogrom to where, exactly? Uganda? Russia? Iran? North Korea? His main criteria for picking a safe haven from homophobia would be somewhere that ups his knee-jerk liberal cred, apparently. He'll look oh-so-enlightened hanging from a street light in some remote corner of the globe where women are cattle and people squat to shit.

by Anonymousreply 10710/01/2013

R105, I agree that gay people and most sane people would want to go to countries where, as r106 points out, rights and equality are respected.

But, don't take the pogrom thing too seriously, it's not really a reality, and you sound like one of those government haters who seem to think that any form of taxation or gun control is stripping them of their rights and persecuting them.

by Anonymousreply 10810/01/2013

Is there an English-speaking pro-gay nation that has universal health care and no cold weather? If there is such a place, that's where I'd go.

by Anonymousreply 10910/01/2013

R108? We were asked where we would go [bold]in the event of a pogrom[/bold]. I'm not taking the pogrom scenario "too seriously", I'm pointing out the idiocy of questioning why people would choose to settle in western liberal democracies in such an event.

[quote]you sound like one of those government haters who seem to think that any form of taxation or gun control is stripping them of their rights and persecuting them.

This is one of the dumbest things ever written on Datalounge. Not one thing I wrote has anything to do with those things, but because I'd choose the UK over Russia in the event of a pogrom, I'm a tea bagger? Well, okie dokie then.

by Anonymousreply 11010/01/2013

[quote]Is there an English-speaking pro-gay nation that has universal health care and no cold weather?

Does it have to be English-speaking? Would "English widely and fluently spoken" count?

by Anonymousreply 11110/01/2013

What r111 said.

Learn another language.

by Anonymousreply 11210/01/2013

I said that's how you sound, r110. Nothing to do with which country you'd choose and I didn't claim you were a teabagger, but you do come across as somewhat rabid.

In any case, I thought you preferred Ireland to the UK. Or Switzerland (although the von Trapps really went to Italy).

by Anonymousreply 11310/01/2013

[quote]Is there an English-speaking pro-gay nation that has universal health care and no cold weather?

New Zealand (North Island only...cold in Dunedin)

South Africa (constitutionally pro-gay but not culturally)

Hong Kong (English speaking enough, more pro-gay than PRC)

Israel (English widely spoken, most pro-gay in Tel Aviv)

Malta (English a second language)

Cyprus (English widely spoken)

by Anonymousreply 11410/01/2013

I love the people who have chosen Brighton.

I wonder if they've ever even been there.

They probably think:- gay, English speaking = least hassle... and they're probably right.

What would one do in Brighton, open a little bistro or a nick nack shop?

by Anonymousreply 11510/01/2013

Another vote for London

by Anonymousreply 11610/01/2013

Have you ever met a Swede that doesn't speak English? Svenska!

by Anonymousreply 11710/01/2013

God damn you people that are able to repatriate to Ireland. Grr, so jealous.

by Anonymousreply 11810/01/2013

Chicago, probably.

by Anonymousreply 11910/01/2013

[quote] God damn you people that are able to repatriate to Ireland. Grr, so jealous.

Soon, R118, soon. Papers in the works.

by Anonymousreply 12010/01/2013

I've always had a romantic notion about the Aran Islands off the coast of Ireland. I'd like to live somewhere sort of rugged and desolate near the sea.

by Anonymousreply 12110/01/2013

Marry me, R120? Take me with you?

by Anonymousreply 12210/01/2013

God I would love the Faroe Islands

by Anonymousreply 12310/01/2013

Ireland. Luckily my father obtained dual Irish and American citizenship for me before he passed away. I've never used it, but have considered it many times.

by Anonymousreply 12410/01/2013
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