I'm watching a documentary on Ntetflix about near death experiences. Personally I don't believe in an afterlife. I think once wer're gone we're gone.
What do you believe?
I'm watching a documentary on Ntetflix about near death experiences. Personally I don't believe in an afterlife. I think once wer're gone we're gone.
What do you believe?
|by Anonymous||reply 120||09/30/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 2||09/28/2013|
I'm rapidly becoming a proponent of hell on earth idea.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||09/28/2013|
I'll get back to you on that. Or not.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||09/28/2013|
That we're energy and that after we die that energy goes somewhere. Where and how it's used I have no idea. I believe that energy develops a new form of consciousness too. Maybe not an individual one, like animal life, but some form. Maybe it joins a collective one like 7 of 9.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||09/28/2013|
Yup, we all already lived, died, went to hell. This is it. That's why people get reincarnated. Because you never get out of here. You will suffer here for all eternity. On Datalounge.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||09/28/2013|
That's what I believe, I didn't say I had any proof.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||09/28/2013|
There is no death. There is only a transition to a different sphere of consciousness.... Inside the spectral light is salvation, a window to the next plain. [Souls] must pass through this membrane where friends are waiting to guide them to new destinies.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||09/28/2013|
Some people believe that when you die there is a wonderful light. As bright as the sun but it doesn't hurt to look into it. All the answers to all the questions you want to know are inside that light. And when you walk to it... you become a part of it forever. Now, some people die, but they don't know they're gone.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||09/28/2013|
R8, are you truly that much of an idiot. Have you never taken a science class? How could an educated person not understand about molecules and energy?
|by Anonymous||reply 13||09/28/2013|
Fuck off Tangina. God is in his holy temple!
|by Anonymous||reply 14||09/28/2013|
I hate that show about kids that remember past lives. I don't want to have to come back here. This ride has sucked, and I'm a white male so I've been playing on easy mode.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||09/28/2013|
Only mammals and birds go to Heaven. Reptiles and icky things go back to Hell.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||09/28/2013|
I've known people that seemed pretty reptilian.
Some people claim that there is a secret reptilian species cohabitating on earth with us.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||09/28/2013|
If there is, I hope my dead relatives haven't been watching what I've been up to.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||09/28/2013|
I believe I shall endure. I don't know about the rest of you, who seem to be a figment of my imagination.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||09/28/2013|
All you queers are going to hell.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||09/29/2013|
To understand immortality, we must first understand its root word, mortality.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||09/29/2013|
It's in our nature to want to believe that we're special somehow, that we're more than a bubble in the foam on the crashing crest of a single wave on a small beach out of all the ocean.
None of us will know for sure until it happens to us. It's something that we all have to go through alone, and that we don't get to report back on afterwards.
I'm more scared of the act of dying, more often than not a painful, traumatic event, than whatever comes after, or not. I would like to choose the manner of my passing when I know the time is near to minimize any pain and suffering.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||09/29/2013|
I hate it when people say "I'm more scared of the act of dying than what comes after, or not".
It is so damn trite and a lot of people are lying.
You know damn well that plenty of people are afraid of no afterlife and of being dead.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||09/29/2013|
Is it possible to avoid people you hate in the afterlife? There are a few people I don't want to see.
I had a dream of a loved one who passed away and told me he was ok.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||09/29/2013|
Plenty of deaths are not painful. You're exaggerating.
And plenty are not traumatic.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||09/29/2013|
My maternal grandmother died after MONTHS languishing in a hospital. My maternal grandfather was the same, dying one day later after hearing his wife of 60 years was dead.
My paternal grandfather was shoveling snow when he had a sudden massive heart-attack (painful, if only for a few seconds) and died.
My paternal grandmother sunk into dementia over the course of a decade or so, went through twelve, count 'em, twelve strokes, before finally succumbing after weeks in the hospital.
Not a single death there sounds "painless".
Only one was "quick".
The odds don't sound all that good to me, R29.
And looking at how many people die from accidents, cancer, violence, illness, fire, burning, ... compared to how many die peaceably in their sleep while otherwise healthy, seems rather rater.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||09/29/2013|
Which documentary are you watching, OP?
I want to check it out.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||09/29/2013|
I suspect there are people having a near-life experience. Some of them are in my family.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||09/29/2013|
The body contains flesh and electricity. Studies have seen the electricity in the brain leave the body as one dies. It's a photo-chemical process. Without electricity the body would not live. In order for the consciousness of the electrical part to live within the environs of Earth, it requires a body that works with the environment sphere of Earth.
That is why our bodies are made up of water and all the elements found in the oceans of the world. To live here we must require water, air and vegetation that grows here. And we were indeed formed in the salty Earth's seas eons ago that were bombarded by lightning. Electricity is a living element that inhabits the body. It has a consciousness. When we die it leaves the shell and goes back into time and space.
There is more to this existence than you understand. If you knew the whole truth you wouldn't believe or accept it. You have no idea of your real purpose here in your present, conscious state.
No idea at all...
|by Anonymous||reply 34||09/29/2013|
R34, I love posts like yours.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||09/29/2013|
I've known these ever since I saw Dr Frankenstein yell "it's alive, it's alive" after discharging huge amounts of electricity on the monster's body.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||09/29/2013|
R36 absolutely nails it.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||09/29/2013|
I totally agree with r15.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||09/29/2013|
R34, so what more is there?
"There is more to this existence than you understand. If you knew the whole truth you wouldn't believe or accept it. You have no idea of your real purpose here in your present, conscious state.
No idea at all..."
care to enlighten?
|by Anonymous||reply 41||09/29/2013|
You are nuts on this issue, R30.
Your maternal grandfather and paternal grandfather did not have a painful death. Nor traumatic that they were aware of.
And both your maternal grandfather and paternal grandfather had deaths that were quick.
You certainly exaggerate.
It's a ridiculous thing to worry about.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||09/29/2013|
I had a near death experience so I definitely believe in it. Actually I had a death experience because I was pronounced dead. One thing they have shown is that in people who have had near death or death experiences, there is absolutely no brain activity, and yet when they return to consciousness, they have much to tell.
Also when I was in a coma I could hear every single thing anyone said.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||09/29/2013|
R45, do you have psychic abilities now?
how has life changed for you?
|by Anonymous||reply 46||09/29/2013|
Some people can't bear the idea there could be an afterlife. It upsets their hatred of religion. They can't stand belief systems other than their own. It's threatening.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||09/29/2013|
I have no psychic abilities! How has it changed me? Well, I certainly don't fear death. I feel like I take things more in stride and am more understanding. It definitely changed me and I think (hope) it made me a better person. I definitely didn't want to come back.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||09/29/2013|
You're soaking in it.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||09/29/2013|
Reincarnation is one of the crueller concepts.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||09/29/2013|
R48, you "definitely did not want to come back"?
Please explain further why you say this.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||09/29/2013|
Well I was with my loved ones and I had a tremendous feeling of well-being and peace, the likes of which I can't possibly explain. And the colors I saw were like nothing I've seen on this earth. I wasn't at all worried about those I'd left behind, I knew somehow that they would be okay. But I was told I had to go back, which I didn't want to do. And the feeling of going back was like being sucked through a vortex or something, very strange, and very painful, since I had been in an accident and I was in agony.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||09/29/2013|
R48 Do you believe in any religion or are you an atheist?
|by Anonymous||reply 53||09/29/2013|
Nope. Not even a little bit.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||09/29/2013|
Why be afraid of death? It's life we should be afraid of.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||09/29/2013|
their is something though heaven and hell are far too simplistic
|by Anonymous||reply 57||09/29/2013|
R57, you wish
|by Anonymous||reply 58||09/29/2013|
Could you answer the question at R53?
|by Anonymous||reply 59||09/29/2013|
I believe that organized religion exists to sell back to us, second-hand, what we already own. But religion is losing its luster all over the world. Especially religious extremism.
There's this guy, Dr. Ian Stephenson, who has devoted his life to proving the existence of life after death. He says it's easier to find subjects in regions that haven't put such a focus in a dogmatic religion with biblical restrictions. He did a lot of research with young Indian children. I've read the reports. I find the subject fascinating.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||09/29/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 62||09/29/2013|
Nope. I wish I could, but I cannot. Doesn't seem much more likely than Santa. Although I do believe in grace, and love. I also know that I am not in control of much- a bit about my own life, and even there, not much. But I do not believe a supreme something is controlling my life. I even pray sometimes. But it may be the words of the prayer reminding me of my powerlessness and humble existence that comfort me, not that the prayer is "answered".
I wish I had "faith". The closest I can come is admitting my powerlessness- letting go. It's a form of grace, but it hardly constitutes a belief in afterlife. Wishful thinking.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||09/29/2013|
If you think about it, life on Earth can be like hell for a lot of people, or even high school. So maybe death is Graduation Day. I believe the soul energy goes on, alters into something else.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||09/29/2013|
R65, if you really believe this then you have to know that it was your subconciousness which created an image of your grandma in your sleep that gave you "advice" not a ghost
|by Anonymous||reply 66||09/29/2013|
I like that thought r64
|by Anonymous||reply 67||09/29/2013|
You do realize, R61, that when you claim that atheists act just like religious people, you're actually insulting the religious? You're essentially saying, "Look, they're dogmatic assholes, too, just like we are!"
At the risk of being one of those awful atheists, "Atheists are just like the religious" is something that deeply stupid people say.
Atheists don't claim they know the secrets of the universe based on stories from Bronze Age nomads. Atheists don't fly airplanes into buildings to murder thousands of people based on their belief. Atheists don't demand that their fellow atheists give them a tenth of their income to build cathedrals. Atheists don't prevent the teaching of verifiable facts because those facts contradict their beliefs.
And on the atheists side, what really compares? The fact that Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens say mean things?
|by Anonymous||reply 68||09/29/2013|
[R53] Sorry I was off the board. I don't follow any religion. I consider myself a spiritual person.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||09/29/2013|
Thank you for answering R69. I'm happy to hear that, because that makes your experience more objective to me and not a religiously fueled fantasy.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||09/29/2013|
My experience was 35 years ago, and if there was a lot written about life after death or near death experiences, I was unaware of it. I went into therapy and eventually went into a group where people had had a similar experience.
What I found is that it's like a story with the same basic elements but it's been rewritten over and over, different each time, but still containing the basics. Just like a plot we've seen in hundreds of movies but the characters and circumstances are different but the root is the same: David v. Goliath, the underdog who wins the race, etc.
I've done some reading on NDE since and recently found this.
I wouldn't argue anyone's different beliefs. I can only relate what happened to me. I will say most of the people in my group had not been particularly religious or believed in an afterlife before their experience.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||09/29/2013|
One more question R71. Are you a gay man?
|by Anonymous||reply 72||09/29/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 73||09/29/2013|
That's great because I rarely hear about gay people experiencing stuff like that.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||09/29/2013|
They say the low frequencies of our brainwaves match the frequencies of the Earth's natural harmonics or vibrations. So I think the Earth's harmonic field is kinda like a collective energy source for humans. That's how we're in tune with the Earth and why we should protect it, blah, blah, blah.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||09/29/2013|
There were gay people in my group. People from all walks of life have experienced it. The thing is, a lot of people don't talk about it. One of the people in the group, when his grandfather died, they found a diary where he recounted an entire NDE he had when he was a young man. He never told anyone.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||09/29/2013|
What if we're all video game characters... like, this is GTA V, and some little twat is at the controls fucking up your life... and soon he's going to get bored and have you jump out of your car while you're driving down the highway or something.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||09/29/2013|
R76, did you see your life flashing by, during the experience?
|by Anonymous||reply 78||09/29/2013|
[R78] Actually no, though I have heard others say that they did. I did see my body from above, but I didn't recognize myself immediately.
The most amazing story I heard was from a woman who was in an awful car accident. She found herself floating in a cave, and the driver was floating in the cave with her. Then the driver floated away and she couldn't see him any longer. When she came back, she found out that the driver was killed.
When I came back, a doctor came in and I said, I think you're the person who said it's okay, we're going to help you. He was that person, but I had never seen him, he said it as I was going unconscious.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||09/29/2013|
Hell no, I do not believe. I came from nowhere and my atoms will go back into the ether when I die.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||09/29/2013|
There was just a new article recently that talked about how, as a last ditch survival effort, your brain burns all of its remaining fuel (oxygen) in one burst. For a short while, if they looked at your brain in a MRI, it would just look like the whole thing was lit up. It produces a state of 'hyperconsciousness'. You perceive more. You remember more. You attempt to form some connection between the data points to save yourself. Explains a lot of the NDE.
BTW, what we call death is really just the beginning of the process, but it's the point of no return with current technology. In reality, it takes another 24 to 48 hours after that for complete cell death in the brain and for all electrical activity to stop.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||09/29/2013|
Yes because nothing I can think of ever ceases to exist, it just takes different forms. A burning log doesn't disappear, it becomes ash and smoke. So when you die your body turns to dust or ash, I believe your soul or inner being, doesn't cease to exist either, but I do believe that it might take on another form totally foreign to how it is now, just as our body does. So as we have no memory of a time before birth, our soul might have no memory or awareness of our present life.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||09/29/2013|
[R81] No, you don't have a brain surge - rats do. This hasn't been tested in humans. Also it's been shown that people on monitors who later reported NDEs (or I guess in my case DEs) have absolutely no brain activity at all.
I know in humans, having been at some death beds, there is a surge of physical activity often before dying. A person who hasn't spoken in hours will suddenly speak or sit up.
I don't know what will happen to you when you die. I only know what happened to me and to other people, and people who have had experiences of danger or whatever where they felt guided by something outside of them. I am sure there are many explanations for these phenomenons. In the last 35 years I have spoken to many people about this, including doctors and scientists. The people I have spoken with in science cannot explain everything that happens in NDE and readily admit they don't have all the answers. What happened to me was very real. It wasn't a dream or dream-like, or a flight of fantasy.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||09/29/2013|
R8, you're awfully defensive for someone who thinks he knows the truth. Don't BS us with the call for proof. If you really knew what was going on, you'd be a lot less overwrought about this issue.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||09/29/2013|
[R84] It's interesting, R84. I find that on amazon.com or imdb.com or on message boards, people become very defensive and, using your word, overwrought about this issue. It's a very threatening concept - not just this concept but anything remotely spiritual or metaphysical. I can understand anger over a lot of organized religions and really being critical because some or most of them are so exclusionary. They're not about love or acceptance and think they have the answers - right.
We're free to believe and discuss different beliefs and ideas about death and spirituality and if there's a God or some sort of force in the universe, a universal truth. Unlike religion that tells you this is true and you must believe it, I don't think we're going to know the real answers to some of this. These are open subjects, so why people become so incensed when anyone says they believe in life after death or NDEs etc. is beyond me. It may turn out that it doesn't happen for everyone. No one knows. So I say think about it, talk about it.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||09/29/2013|
Why do dying people often call out for their dead parents or other deceased relatives?
Where do all of the missing socks go?
|by Anonymous||reply 86||09/29/2013|
Our bodies are like cars driving us around to our destinations. It takes us where we need to go and then it eventually stops working. When that happens, it's time to move on from this dimension.
We never die, we simply transform and acquire a new vehicle for the next plane of existence.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||09/29/2013|
You can't even second-act anymore.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||09/29/2013|
To be honest, the prospect of seeing all the assholes in my past again frightens me. Could I opt out of an afterlife?
|by Anonymous||reply 89||09/29/2013|
I've always had strange things happening I can't explain. It runs in families. My mother had it too. And now my sis-in-law took her 14-year-old to a psychic retreat where they pick people out of the audience and read them. One of the psychics picked him and said he has a gift and should read some books and take classes. So I asked him later, and he confirmed that he does "see things" sometimes.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||09/29/2013|
yeah there is I think they come from somewhere near south east asia
|by Anonymous||reply 91||09/29/2013|
I meant the reptilian race
|by Anonymous||reply 92||09/30/2013|
I'm glad they won't be letting the jews in.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||09/30/2013|
I am a frequent visitor to www.nderf.org. It features accounts of near death experiences and is updated regularly, so the number of accounts is in the thousands. I find it extremely interesting - and comforting - to read these experiences from people of wildly varying backgrounds and causes of death.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||09/30/2013|
R31, It was called Afterlife.
I ended up falling asleep partway into it. I find the subject interesting, but the documentary was pretty boring. I was mostly turned off by all of the religious connotations since I'm a non believer.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||09/30/2013|
I believe it exists.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||09/30/2013|
There is no heaven, hell or afterlife. Once you die, you die and the living take over until they die. And so on, and so on.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||09/30/2013|
great story here - amazing
|by Anonymous||reply 98||09/30/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 99||09/30/2013|
Years ago, before the internet network, nurses couldn't talk about what they saw regarding ghosts. Now, they do. There's a site, allnurses.com that one can go to. When the page comes on, then type Ghosts in the search bar. There are fascinating entries from women young and old.
Other cultures have their own beliefs about the afterlife. One is that a relative comes to pick you up, and is your spirit guide.
Personally, I have been taught the Christian way. So, yes I believe in an afterlife.
|by Anonymous||reply 100||09/30/2013|
lol, you were "taught" the Xtian way, so you "believe" in an afterlife?
Must be a wonderful, lovely thing to be a sheeple and never have to think for yourself. God, sometimes I wish I was as intellectually stunted as you all. Life would be so much easier!
|by Anonymous||reply 101||09/30/2013|
[R101]And it must be a wonderful, lovely thing to be so intellectually superior and know it all.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||09/30/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 103||09/30/2013|
I definitely believe in reincarnation.
In my next life, I'm coming back as a carnation.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||09/30/2013|
It's like a big amusement park.
Price of admission is even worse than Disneyland, though.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||09/30/2013|
I don't want to die, ever. I'm ok with being raptured though.
|by Anonymous||reply 106||09/30/2013|
R81, omg, if it takes 24-48 hours for complete cell death in the brain...does that mean there's any shred that you can be somehow aware of what's happening to you? I always had this fear that when we die, we're trapped in our bodies. Like a deep, deep coma. We can't physically feel anything but our brains are working. Until we're embalmed, or there's an autopsy.
Please tell me that I'm just an idiot and that this isn't possible.
|by Anonymous||reply 107||09/30/2013|
r107, you are trapped in your body NOW.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||09/30/2013|
Mormons believe you spend eternity with your family. That sounds like HELL to me.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||09/30/2013|
R107, we are not our bodies. They are vehicles enabling our physical existence within three dimensions on this earthbound plane.
We forget who we really are at childbirth because that is necessary for growth. It is part of a natural evolution and our physical death is perfectly normal when our time here has ended.
We then move on to another dimension where we are most comfortable and able to continue our growth. We are eternal beings.
|by Anonymous||reply 110||09/30/2013|
r110 -- Then please explain population growth?
|by Anonymous||reply 111||09/30/2013|
Abahdee, abahdee, abahdee...... that's all folks!
|by Anonymous||reply 112||09/30/2013|
What's the name of the documentary, OP?
|by Anonymous||reply 113||09/30/2013|
Read stories on the nurses' website posted upthread. What is this dark figure that they talk about that appears before someone dies, that the person dying reacts in terror to? A grim reaper? A devil, meaning the person was wicked? What do the believers on here think?
|by Anonymous||reply 114||09/30/2013|
No, but shouldn't this have been a poll? I imagine more Dataloungers disbelieve in the afterlife. Hope so anyway, since I'd like to think we're above average in intellect. Not a high bar in the U.S. but still...
|by Anonymous||reply 115||09/30/2013|
I want to be unconscious when I die. I think your brain forces you back up in a panic regardless, hence reports of people almost comatose suddenly sitting up screaming, which some people interpret as the 'arrival of the grim reaper' in stories posted online.
So for those of us that don't believe, at what point if you were dying and having a NDE would you start to believe, if it turns out we're wrong and there is something else? Is it like in a dream where you can't control whether or not you believe, you're more of an observer as your brain peters out?
|by Anonymous||reply 116||09/30/2013|
If you believe in an afterlife, do you have opinions on the following questions:
Do all forms of life have an afterlife?
If not, when in evolution did the afterlife come into being? Did Neanderthals have an afterlife? Home Erectus?
Someone above mentioned we forget who we are at childbirth. This implies ensoulment. At what point does this happen? Conception? A certain point in the womb? First breath?
|by Anonymous||reply 117||09/30/2013|
Do you believe in love after life?
|by Anonymous||reply 118||09/30/2013|
What if the dark tunnel is a vagina... and the bright white light at the end is when you come out into the doctor's hands?
|by Anonymous||reply 119||09/30/2013|
Can I ask the people who believe in an after-life, why do you need or want there be an after-life?
|by Anonymous||reply 120||09/30/2013|