Are straight people attracted to stereotypical gay people?
What I mean is, I have yet to meet a straight man who lusts after a butch lesbian or a straight chick who finds a flaming gay man hot. That is because they are opposite sex attracted.
Does it not make perfect sense that a same sex attracted individual would not find someone who looks and acts like the opposite sex attractive? If I was attracted to masculine buzz cut women, I would be straight!
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|by feminine les||reply 2||09/28/2013|
Many straight men are attracted to, and marry, butch straight women. They are a dime a dozen where I grew up (the Netherlands). It's not much of a stretch to think they could potentially be attracted to a butch lesbian. Likewise straight women who like androgynous/femmy men.
|by feminine les||reply 5||09/28/2013|
I know exactly what you mean OP.
There was some study a few years back about female sexuality and they are very into being "wanted." that may be why they don't tend to fall madly in lust with people unattracted to women (ie, obviously gay men).
Conversely, men are very into visuals sexually, and are attracted to stereotypical gender displays. So many gay men love so-called "manly men" and many straight men love so-called "girly-girls."
|by feminine les||reply 6||09/28/2013|
[quote] I am just puzzled at why so many gay and lesbians impersonate traits and appearances of the opposite sex.
They don't impersonate. They are who they are. If you don't like it, don't associate with them. Easy breezy.
|by feminine les||reply 7||09/28/2013|
Can someone explain to me why losers on chat boards think they's just that clever?
Honestly, can someone help me, I'm just so confused.
|by feminine les||reply 8||09/28/2013|
Newbie here, what does the FF do?
|by feminine les||reply 12||09/28/2013|
OP, go hang out at L Chat or Afterellen.
|by feminine les||reply 13||09/28/2013|
Everyone is different. Attempts to squeeze attraction into some kind of formula are foolish.
|by feminine les||reply 14||09/28/2013|
I'm Dutch too (man). It's true that a lot of women here give off a butch vibe, for instance once they reach a certain age, they like to cut their hair real short and dye it red; they love wearing huge, 'difficult' looking glasses and they tend to henpeck their husbands. Go visit that Tumblr blog Loldutchpeople and you'll see what I mean.
|by feminine les||reply 15||09/28/2013|
I think a lot of straight men are attracted to soft butches or as they are commonly referred to, tomboys. But these women are thin and conventionally attractive, probably not the Chaz Bono lookalikes you're thinking of.
|by feminine les||reply 16||09/28/2013|
" I am just puzzled at why so many gay and lesbians impersonate traits and appearances of the opposite sex"
Because they're masculine women and feminine men, and they're being true to themselves. Duh.
What the fuck has that got to do with attracting straight people?
|by feminine les||reply 17||09/28/2013|
My point r17 is as a same sex attracted lady I am attracted to women feminine women!!!
|by feminine les||reply 18||09/28/2013|
With the younger gays and lesbians, I am in the majority with this view
|by feminine les||reply 21||09/28/2013|
"I'm at least thirty pounds overweight, but I try to distract from that fact by shopping in the juniors section (because while I may not be an icky butch, I'm still a cheap lesbian with no fashion sense!) and wearing too much (inexpertly applied) makeup. My much vaunted femininity does not include the ability to keep my shitty rented house clean or to show ladylike restraint in the face of vodka coolers."
|by feminine les||reply 22||09/28/2013|
Some straight dudes are attracted to men with feminine features or soft features, which is why transgender male-to-female persons often date and encounter men who identify as straight. moreover, tranny porn is supported by heterosexual-identified men, not gay/bi dudes. further, heterosexual men are the clients of ladyboys and tranny prostitutes.
|by feminine les||reply 23||09/28/2013|
What "younger" gays and lesbians are you hanging out with, R21? Based on young queers I know in several US cities, you're either on Mars or in some fundamentalist backwater where gay kids have to stay invisible to survive.
|by feminine les||reply 25||09/28/2013|
r28 likes to censor those he disagrees with! Fascist !
|by feminine les||reply 29||09/28/2013|
My straight bro friend says if he were to go for a dude, it would be a dude like Emile Hirsch. I Googled his pic and looked at my friend like "okay, dude." We came to the conclusion that straight dudes are most apt to find feminine dudes with soft features attractive. Emile Hirsch by no means is transgender looking but he is not very masculine-featured. He has softer male features, longer hair, and seems sort of gentle in demeanor. He is not a square-jawed jock type with a buff muscular bod. Gay and bi guys like masculinity in males, physically and demeanor.
|by feminine les||reply 30||09/28/2013|
Gay and bi guys like masculinity in males, physically and demeanor.
And real gay or bi women like femininity, physically and demeanor
|by feminine les||reply 31||09/28/2013|
[quote][R28] likes to censor those he disagrees with! Fascist !
Such irony, coming from someone who thinks she is the arbiter of who's a "real" lesbian or gay man.
|by feminine les||reply 32||09/28/2013|
I'm a very femme woman primarily attracted to very butch females. Masculinity as expressed by a female gets me hot.Masculinity as expressed by males is interesting and frequently nice to look at but it doesn't excite me. My sexual orientation is to women. My erotic identity is for glorious, sexy butches. What difference is it to the gay police what turns me on? We're queer because we're queer.
|by feminine les||reply 33||09/28/2013|
I think some femme lesbians are upset that other femme lesbians might be paired up with butch lesbians. Hence the seething and accusations of lesbians trying to "act straight." Get over it. Some women are naturally masculine, and some lesbians-- femme or butch are attracted to butch women
|by feminine les||reply 35||09/28/2013|
[quote]Newbie here, what does the FF do?
Nothing. It used to signal the webmaster that someone was posting threats or homophobic rants. Instead, morons hit the "Flames & Freaks" link for anything posted that they don't agree with. As a result of the fools who announce "Hit the flames & freaks button" it is ignored by the webmaster. They should remove it since it's useless.
|by feminine les||reply 37||09/28/2013|
If I found ALL of the traits that my spouse possesses in a woman I MIGHT want to date her to see how I would react to her. However, I'm sure that will never happen.
|by feminine les||reply 39||09/28/2013|
r33, you are right. I will go to a masculine affluent man!!!
|by feminine les||reply 40||09/28/2013|
r33, is a butch dyke fronting!!!
|by feminine les||reply 41||09/28/2013|
Of course us straight men aren't attracted to stereotypical butch lesbians because they are unfeminine and unattractive! Duh!
|by feminine les||reply 42||09/29/2013|
Is ANYONE attracted to OP?
|by feminine les||reply 44||09/29/2013|
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|by feminine les||reply 45||09/29/2013|
FF entire thread for high moronics.
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|by feminine les||reply 47||09/29/2013|
I'm straight woman and while I don't look "butch" (I am thin, wear make up and have long hair) I have always had masculine personality and I have always been exclusively attracted to feminine men. Macho guys are big turn-off. So yes, I am attracted to stereotypical gay men (as long as they arent the bitchy, narcissistic type). I tend to end up dating a lot of bisexual guys. No interest toward women, although many seem to think I must be lesbian with the way I carry myself. I know some other straight/bi women like myself, it's not common but we exist.
|by feminine les||reply 48||09/29/2013|
You are a crazy closet-case defender OP. CRAAAAZY!
(not even American, are you?)
|by feminine les||reply 49||10/01/2013|
r48, you are the exception.
|by feminine les||reply 50||10/01/2013|
I know straight gals who LOVE nelly men, LURVE them
|by feminine les||reply 51||10/01/2013|
Have you never met a gay guy's female best friend who's clearly in love with him? These gay guys don't tend to be dudebros, OP.
|by feminine les||reply 52||10/01/2013|
I hate the "feminine lez" troll. She's as bad as the anti-fem gay men. Just fuck off you useless ass-kisser. Straight homophobes hate you just as much as those "butch" lezzes, and all the makeup and heels in the world won't change that.
I naturally pass for straight all the time, but I love and respect my gender-non-conforming friends. United we stand, divided we fall.
|by feminine les||reply 53||10/01/2013|
r53, you say that, but everyone knows there is a hierarchy of hate for most homophobes. yeah, they may dislike all bi/gay people, but they especially hate feminine men and masculine women. In fact, many of them will say that outright. Doesn't make it right, but let's not pretend there is equal hate for all bi/gay people.
|by feminine les||reply 55||10/01/2013|
Is "fem lez" a Log Cabinette? A GOProuder? A Randian libertarian asshat? A tea bagger? Which brand of Daddy-worshiping, self-loathing, sycophantic conformity does this backstabbing nutcase subscribe to?
|by feminine les||reply 56||10/01/2013|
You're delusional, R55. How long have you been on this earth? You sound very, very naive.
|by feminine les||reply 57||10/01/2013|
"Although studies have shown that gay and lesbian persons are confronted with different levels of minority stress, it is not clear why some of them are more affected than others. This is notable, because homosexuality, unlike race or physical handicaps, is usually understood as a concealable stigma (Herek & Capitanio, 1996), which implies that gay and lesbian persons can avoid being stigmatized by not disclosing their sexual orien- tation. It may be, however, that for some the stigma of homosexuality is less concealable than for others. This may especially be true for homosexual people who are gender-atypical or gender-nonconforming (Bailey, 1999; Brooks, 2000; Wyss, 2004), a condition that is more prevalent in homosexual than heterosexual persons, especially during childhood (Bailey & Zucker, 1995). Gender nonconformity is the expression of char- acteristics that are socially and culturally associated with the opposite gender (Bailey & Zucker, 1995). Given the strict norms guarding gender conformity, gender- atypical homosexual persons are more likely targets for discrimination or other negative experiences than homosexual persons who do not openly deviate from gender norms. Stigma surrounding breaking gender norms may be present during the early stages of one’s development, increasing the likelihood of developing more problems in psychosocial well-being in adulthood (Zucker, 1994). Adult mental health may also be affected by current gender nonconformity. It is an open question as to what extent homosexuality-related discrimination is due to someone’s homosexuality or gender noncon- formity (cf. Freund & Blanchard, 1983, who found that gender-atypicality and not homosexuality explained the distant relationship between fathers and their homosex- ual sons; see also Isay, 1989)"
See Gender Nonconformity, Homophobia, and Mental Distress in Latino Gay and Bisexual Men Theo G. M. Sandfort HIV Center for Clinical and Behavioral Studies, New York State Psychiatric Institute and Columbia University Rita M. Melendez Human Sexuality Studies and the Center for Research on Gender & Sexuality, San Francisco State University Rafael M. Diaz Cesar Chavez Institute and Professor of Ethnic Studies, San Francisco State University. Journal of Sex Research (2007)
|by feminine les||reply 58||10/01/2013|
I have an interesting take on this. I'm not that old and have seen OP's scenario happen in both orientations.
I know more men who turned out gay, though, who would seduce every pretty girl they saw when younger--always initiated by the gay guys. They were obviously attracted enough to maintain erections because I know that at least two of them would regularly take virginities. Their girls always seemed happy to have the attention, though these guys clearly acted "stereotypically gay." As far as I know, none of them so much as touch women any longer.
And as for a straight man being attracted to a gay woman with buzz cut and all, I actually saw it happen just a few weeks ago. The guy was ruined over it.
I don't think it happens as often this way, because it's still a woman...often unfortunately seen as a "failed woman." Biological men have the upper hand in society. They just do.
|by feminine les||reply 59||10/01/2013|
"Effeminate men were more likely than non-effeminate men to report having been sexually abused as a child, verbally/physically abused by relatives, and having been raped by relatives and or by a lover. Effeminate men also reported more experiences with homophobia than non-effeminate men. Gay and bisexual Latino men who con- sidered themselves effeminate also had higher levels of mental distress. These higher levels of mental distress in effeminate men seemed to primarily result from more experiences of homophobia, as suggested by the out comes of our mediation analysis."
|by feminine les||reply 60||10/01/2013|
"We examined whether, due to men’s desire to reject stereotypically feminine traits in themselves, a masculinity threat would elicit negative affect toward effeminate, but not masculine gay men. Fifty-three male undergraduates from the United States received bogus feedback that they had either a “masculine” or “feminine” personality before rating affect toward two “types” of gay men: effeminate and masculine. Results were consistent with the notion that defensive reactions target groups stereotyped as having the specific traits perceivers wish to deny in themselves: masculinity threat selectively increased negative affect toward effeminate, but not masculine, gay men. Thus, gay men who exhibit feminine traits may be at particular risk from men whose masculinity is threatened." See Defensive Reactions to Masculinity Threat: More Negative Affect Toward Effeminate (but not Masculine) Gay Men
Peter Glick, Candice Gangl, Samantha Gibb, Susan Klumpner, Emily Weinberg (2007)
|by feminine les||reply 61||10/01/2013|
But, R60's quote sounds at least feasible for Latino men. The "machismo" is heavily stressed in cultures therein. Like, really stressed. There have been many anthropological studies of it. Discussing the sexual abuse issue will only cause a greater stir of ruthless opinions, insults, and name-calling on this thread.
|by feminine les||reply 63||10/01/2013|
r62, I would not expect you to understand or value scholarly research and authority. You just like to make erroneous stuff up, dude.
|by feminine les||reply 64||10/01/2013|
the OP of this thread is a whackjob for days. and likely lives in europe, given the timing of her postings.
|by feminine les||reply 65||10/02/2013|
I met a guy yesterday who was working at a store I went to. He came in wearing shorts and a tank top, and he was so muscular, I was sure he was a dancer (I was at a Starbucks near the campus of a university known for its performing arts programs). And indeed he was. He was utterly beautiful, charming, personable. Eminently fuckable, IOW.
After we chatted, I couldn't help but think how there are people out in the world who, because they consider themselves "masculine" or "bras," would turn this beautiful guy down because he was more than a little FMN8.
What a loser you'd have to be to reject this guy.
|by feminine les||reply 66||10/02/2013|
R66, it is a matter if personal taste and attraction. It is okay for people to have individual preferences than you have. Tolerance.
|by feminine les||reply 67||10/02/2013|
Tolerance includes accepting people who don't gender-conform and not trumpeting those who do as superior, more desirable or more palatable to homophobes.
This thread and the thoughts it expresses are a glaring example of intolerance. R66's post is not.
|by feminine les||reply 68||10/02/2013|
[quote] After we chatted, I couldn't help but think how there are people out in the world who, because they consider themselves "masculine" or "bras," would turn this beautiful guy down because he was more than a little FMN8.
[quote] What a loser you'd have to be to reject this guy.
Don't worry: hot trumps femme.
|by feminine les||reply 69||10/02/2013|
I think Michelle Rodriguez is pretty butch, and I know straight guys who are attracted to her. And in college, I knew a guy who was totally into the wrestler Chyna (who I thought was a MTF tranny).
|by feminine les||reply 70||10/02/2013|
PS: Matt Bomer is stereotypically gay and he has a large female fanbase (both figuratively and literally).
|by feminine les||reply 71||10/02/2013|
r71, in what way is he stereotypical?
|by feminine les||reply 72||10/06/2013|
[quote] in what way is he stereotypical?
1. Yellow Skin
2. Womanly Butt
|by feminine les||reply 73||10/06/2013|
yellow skin is a gay stereotype?
|by feminine les||reply 74||10/06/2013|
OP, go away. No one cares what you think.
|by feminine les||reply 75||10/06/2013|
Straight men may be secretly attracted to some gay men that have feminine vibes, but they rarely want to be publicly associated with them. Straight men tend to be viscerally annoyed or embarrassed by feminine males, sometimes violently. Many will befriend masculine gay dudes as bros because such guys are perceived as manly and not embarrassing to be seen in public with.
|by feminine les||reply 76||10/06/2013|
Most men don't want to be seen around non-masculine men. Like dogs, men tend to run in packs, and they want to be associated with manly Alpha Males. Heterosexual men especially are atuned to the masculinity of the dudes they hang with. I hear straight dudes say that they are cool being buds with gay or bi dudes who are masculine, just as long as "they act like normal dudes."
|by feminine les||reply 77||10/06/2013|
R77, same with straight chicks and femme lesbians
|by feminine les||reply 78||10/06/2013|
true, r78. For all the talk about women being more tolerant, heterosexual women don't exactly flock to hang out and associate with very masculine women either. At least men are more honest about their aversion to feminine men.
|by feminine les||reply 79||10/07/2013|
R79 Who do so many women have gay male buddies?
|by feminine les||reply 81||10/16/2013|
r81, because flaming gay men WORSHIP women!!
|by feminine les||reply 82||10/16/2013|
I thought it was because there have much more in common with women than men and women just like a bit of diversity in their friends.
|by feminine les||reply 84||10/16/2013|
r81, women rarely are close to masculine gay men and almost never close to bisexual men. They like girly guys because they are amused by their femininity and non-normative gender behavior. They tend to find mainstream masculine gay guys threatening or boring.
|by feminine les||reply 85||10/16/2013|
Women often think of fully masculine gay/bi men who are attractive as a "waste."
|by feminine les||reply 86||10/16/2013|
Mick Jagger, androgynous male, never has had a problem attracting women.
Bruno Mars, kind of fem looking straight man, has mostly women fans.
These guys are known to be "straight", but are not, strictly speaking, macho men. But they attract the opposite sex.
|by feminine les||reply 87||10/16/2013|
They are exceptionally rich and famous rock/pop stars.
|by feminine les||reply 88||10/17/2013|
r85 Is it so much straight women avoiding them or is it that masculine gay men are avoiding/indifferent to women? I think it is mostly femme gay men that initiate friendship with straight women. Be it simply going to places and having hobbies that will force them to interact with straight women.
|by feminine les||reply 89||10/17/2013|
good point, r89. I think completely masculine gay/bi men have the same attitude with women as their straight brethren, with respect to platonic friendship.
|by feminine les||reply 90||10/17/2013|
Then what's the attraction to Bill Kaulitz by both straight men and women?
|by feminine les||reply 91||10/17/2013|
The more masculine the dude, the less likely he has close platonic female friends. Masculine dudes may have female friends, but there is usually a gender gap between them that keeps them from being best friends or hanging buddies. Masculine bisexual and gay guys are very much like heterosexual dudes in their interests, activities, and hobbies, and therefore, tend not to find much in common with females that would make them best friends or hanging friends. They often have affection for their female friends, but the gender gap keeps them from being best friends.
|by feminine les||reply 92||10/17/2013|
Maybe you might want to limit that to straight women, R92? I have plenty of masculine straight male friends.
|by feminine les||reply 93||10/17/2013|
I am a lipstick les and I have straight female friends, gay male friends(mostly masculine) and straight male friends and some lesbians friends
|by feminine les||reply 95||10/18/2013|
Do lipstick lesbians tend to be friends with heterosexual women more than masculine lesbians?
|by feminine les||reply 96||10/18/2013|
Do black patten leather shoes really reflect up?
|by feminine les||reply 97||10/19/2013|
r96, Of course! i have nothing in common with butches. I have everything in common with straight girls except the sexual attraction for men
|by feminine les||reply 98||10/19/2013|
interesting r98. that similar reasoning to masculine gay/bi dudes who say they hang with straight dudes because they can't relate to feminine or stereotypical gay dudes.
|by feminine les||reply 99||10/19/2013|
I like my ladies feminine and nice!
|by feminine les||reply 102||11/23/2013|
God, you're an asshole, OP.
For the record, I am a very feminine bisexual lipstick female (dominant in bed, though, which you'd no doubt consider "masculine", as you're so hung up on gender roles), who pretty much exclusively is attracted to a) soft butch women and b) submissive feminine straight or predominately straight men. I guess that makes me a gender transgressor by your standards, since I'm not fancying the "right" kind of woman (feminine, under your terms) or man (masculine, under your terms).
|by feminine les||reply 103||11/23/2013|
All I know is when I was (much) younger,I was a flaming queen,and most of my sexual partners were "straight" or "bi" macho men.Yes,they were attracted to my feminine characteristics,and that was FINE by me!But,as Ive aged,I encounter more derision and patronizing from the gay world than I ever did the straight world,and Im not nearly as nelly as I was.Go figure.
|by feminine les||reply 104||11/23/2013|
[quote] I encounter more derision and patronizing from the gay world than I ever did the straight world,and Im not nearly as nelly as I was.Go figure.
That's because you were fucking the exceptions. How can you be less nelly? Were you "performing" more back then?
|by feminine les||reply 105||11/23/2013|
[quote] I encounter more derision and patronizing from the gay world than I ever did the straight world
That is only because the straights laugh at you behind your back. I'm sorry, but it's the truth. You are deluding yourself if you believe differently.
|by feminine les||reply 106||11/23/2013|
r104, how old are you, man?
|by feminine les||reply 107||12/10/2013|
I'm FLAMING. I make Carson Kressley look like Thor and I get masculine guys who are interested in me all the time.
|by feminine les||reply 108||12/10/2013|
[quote] only because the straights laugh at you behind your back. I'm sorry, but it's the truth. You are deluding yourself if you believe differently.
This must happen to you a lot. Hostile and angry.
|by feminine les||reply 109||12/10/2013|
r108, tell us your best stories. paint a picture, dude.
|by feminine les||reply 110||12/10/2013|
One tory I can get out pretty quick was when pool guys installed my parent's in-ground pool two summers ago and I went out in the back and told them I had a cooler of water for them and more water or pop in the garage if they wanted and to help themselves and to come in and use the bathroom if they wanted too.
Well, long story short, I had threesome with the two guys a few times and they brought a third guy from the pool place. It was awesome sex. I have their numbers and we get together individually now. But, those guys are the only guys I get together with like that.
|by feminine les||reply 111||12/10/2013|
Adam Lambert has lots of straight girl fans.
In fact his fanbase is almost all female. It's not gay men who downloaded his music and watched his videos.
And yes, if you hear what they say about him, many of them do find him sexy. Really and truly. They genuinely find him hot.
Mark Simpson who coined the term "metrosexual" has a lot of interesting shit to say about this. With more and more metresexual straight guys the gender lines become blurred.
In a more metrosexualized culture than ever before, gay men can easily become objects of desire for straight girls even if they are a bit nelly, because quite a few straight guys these days are just as nelly as they are! i.e. they can't fix a car, change a flat, they're not a handyman, but they're up on fashion, they manscape, tweeze, listen to Lady Gaga on their ipod, use beauty products etc. etc.
|by feminine les||reply 112||12/10/2013|
More of the straight girls than the gay guys I know are into feminine guys.
As a dykey bi chick, I've gotten the occasional straight guy comment on me being boyishly cute but women tend to make that comment more often.
|by feminine les||reply 113||12/10/2013|
I'm attracted to cute athletic lesbian chicks, aka, studs. I am talking about the type that look like a cute jockish dudes, who shoot hoops with the fellas, and lift weights.
|by feminine les||reply 114||12/10/2013|
Someone just told me New Jersey is a state, not a city like New York.
|by feminine les||reply 115||12/10/2013|
The neighbor girl Karen was my childhood best friend. She must haved jonesed after sissies. Once she developed a crush on this much older guy "Leonard". She took me to the diner where he was a short order cook or something, and he was a flaming nelly. He hated me on sight (meow! hiss!).
Then she crushed on a guy a couple blocks away named James. He was plump and blond and lisped. If you asked him anything about his absent father, he'd get angry and chase after you.
Years later I saw her wedding pics in the small town rag and she married a fish-lipped guy who looked a lot like director Todd Solondz.
She died of ovarian cancer.
|by feminine les||reply 116||12/10/2013|
[quote] If you asked him anything about his absent father, he'd get angry and chase after you.
What are you both, 12?
|by feminine les||reply 117||12/10/2013|
"Women often think of fully masculine gay/bi men who are attractive as a 'waste.'"
Well, R86, that's the same thing some straight men think about some gay women they find attractive-- a 'waste.'
|by feminine les||reply 120||12/23/2013|
yeah, women get very upset to see a masculine goodlooking gay dude. It is very disturbing to them.
|by feminine les||reply 121||01/22/2014|
The only thing that gets women very upset is when someone else finishes the bag of Doritos.
|by feminine les||reply 123||10/15/2014|
R121, i think that women are more jealous of other women. They would feel less upset if their man cheated them with another man. With a woman, it would be poignant.
|by feminine les||reply 124||10/15/2014|