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Merkel, party win stunning parliamentary election victory in Germany

A stunning election triumph has left German Chancellor Angela Merkel at the apex of her power, humiliated foes and old allies alike, and rung in what one newspaper dubbed “the era of Merkelism”.

The strongest conservative poll result in two decades was a thundering popular endorsement for the leader who is dubbed “Mummy” at home and often called the world’s most powerful woman.

It followed a heavily personality-based campaign that focused on Merkel’s calm and prudent captaincy through the storms of the eurozone crisis, in which Germany’s economy came out unscathed with its triple-A ratings and low unemployment.

In its drive to stay in power, the conservative party “did not bet on a policy but on a person: the chancellor,” said the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung daily.

“The Merkel Republic,” ran the headline for a commentary on news site Spiegel Online, which declared that “Germany has finally become Angela Merkel-Land”.

It said her Christian Democratic Union (CDU) was now all-powerful and back to where it was in chancellor Konrad Adenauer’s times, when it ruled alone and presided over rebuilding war-shattered Germany with its “economic miracle”.

“The party must thank a chancellor who with her presidential style appeals to broad sections of the population, who doesn’t offend, who integrates,” the commentary said. “No-one can say exactly what she stands for, but many people feel in good hands with Chancellor Merkel.”

Jackson Janes, president of the American Institute for Contemporary German Studies, also pointed to Merkel’s reassuring persona in turbulent times as the secret of her success.

“It’s that consensus-driven management style — let’s take it easy, let’s not get upset, let’s move through this — as opposed to polarising policies where you set up faultlines,” he said. “I think that’s something Germans kind of like.

“She’s like a skier coming down a hill, with a bit of an easy back and forth, to make sure she gets down the hill safely.”

A survey released Sunday said a stunning 80 percent of respondents believed the chancellor is doing a good job, while only 17 percent said she isn’t, said the institute Forschungsgruppe Wahlen.

“The citizens gave Merkel not just a victory but a triumph,” judged the Sueddeutsche Zeitung daily, adding that “she has won it as a person, as chancellor, with popularity ratings that are unique in the history of the federal republic”.

“This election has turned the Merkel government terms into an era — the era of Merkelism.”

The commentary added that the flip-side of this was that her party now consists of just Merkel — a notion confirmed by the countless “Angie” signs waved by her jubilant party supporters and the T-shirt slogan “We are still chancellor”.

Berlin political commentator Michael Spreng, a former newspaper journalist and political campaign manager, said that “for the first time Merkel scored a true victory,” pointing out that her results in 2005 and 2009 elections had been among the worst in CDU history.

After an election campaign focused on Merkel the person, he said, “Merkel has now joined the ranks of the great CDU victors of the post-war history. With Merkel, Germany obviously feels in safe hands.”

But if the election outcome showed how many Germans love Merkel, it also confirmed that as a political operator she is not sentimental about dropping allies who become liabilities, as a number of former cabinet ministers have also found out.

The CDU’s trounced allies, the pro-business Free Democrats (FDP), crashed out of parliament for the first time in more than half a century, according to early results, after Merkel had snubbed their desperate call for help on the campaign trail.

Merkel had implored her supporters to resist an FDP call to “split” their district and party votes between the CDU and FDP to save the coalition.

Commentators compared the horrible outcome for the FDP with the bruising the Social Democrats (SPD) in 2009 suffered after a joyless “grand coalition” with the CDU in which it withered in Merkel’s shadow.

The Frankfurter Rundschau daily judged that: “Now she has left two partners — in 2009 the SPD, now the FDP — in a state where they won’t be a threat for her for years to come.”

by Anonymousreply 17912/01/2013

Disappointed that she won a Majority.

Was hoping she would at least be reduced to a Minority.

by Anonymousreply 109/23/2013

She has been a spectacular leader for the German people and for the EU.

by Anonymousreply 209/23/2013

Isn't she considered to be on the right?

by Anonymousreply 309/23/2013


by Anonymousreply 409/23/2013

[quote]Isn't she considered to be on the right?

Yes, and she's anti-gay, and sounds like Hitler when speaking about immigration.

by Anonymousreply 509/23/2013

Can you cite some anti-gay stances? I cannot find a single example.

by Anonymousreply 609/23/2013

Mein Frau!

by Anonymousreply 709/23/2013

She's Die Fuehrerin!

by Anonymousreply 809/23/2013

Yes, R5, links please. (Like the pun?)

by Anonymousreply 909/23/2013

She hasn't won a stunning victory. Many people who have abandoned her traditional allies, the FPD, have voted for her - that's why she is closer to a majority vote than she was before.

Still the Social-Democrats, the Green Party and the rest of the left have enjoyed a considerable upsurge, and this horrible harpy, who is draining resources from the rest of the EU in order to protect a declining German economy, will have to negotiate with them in order to secure a stable government.

Germans voted in droves for the Nazi party during the federal election of 1933. In spite of their claims of enlightenment and social conscience, their arrogance, intransigence and imperialistic mindset always prevail. Merkel is just the kinder, frumpier and dumpier face of political extremism. However, left to her own devices, she'd happily try to build a 4th Reich.

by Anonymousreply 1009/23/2013

Angela Merkel Says No to Repairing Inequality

"Newly reelected by her party and seeking a third term as chancellor, Angela Merkel walked away from a chance to lead on treating same-sex couples equally with straight couples in tax law."

That's a no.

In this photo taken by the AFP, German Chancellor Angela Merkel holds up a voting card on Tuesday and sides with those in her party, the Christian Democratic Union, who decided against treating same-sex couples the same as straight couples under tax law.

The Australian reports that Merkel had said she opposed equal treatment because she "sees marriage directly linked to the family and both are under the special protection of the state." Instead, her party considers only marriage between a man and a woman as protected by the country's constitution.

The Irish Times reported that more progressive elements of Merkel's party (which ended up reelecting her during the conference as its leader) proposed this evolution on the issue and argued it would be key to regaining waning support in urban areas. But Merkel opted to avoid angering more conservative supporters. With the nomination secured, Merkel now faces a general election in nine months and is seeking a third term as chancellor.

The country's top court is expected to weigh in on the constitutionality of tax inequality before the end of 2013.

by Anonymousreply 1109/23/2013

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by Anonymousreply 1209/23/2013

My German relatives are all pleased, because they find she is down-to-earth, not showy, competent, and conciliatory. And uncreative in finances - "You owe money, you pay it." "Save." "We give you a loan, you owe us big time."

I don't like her policy on gay rights, but assume they'll continue to "evolve." She will do nothing to scare the middle of Germany, because that's where stability and strength are seen to reside. Anything too progressive or active scares the hell out of these people, and often that includes positive rather than crazy change.

by Anonymousreply 1309/23/2013

Finally The Germans have a strong willed, hugely popular leader.

What could possibly go wrong?

by Anonymousreply 1409/23/2013

Call in the dialect coaches! Prepare my wig!

by Anonymousreply 1509/23/2013

Okay, R14 made me LOL.

by Anonymousreply 1609/23/2013

I'm nervous

by Anonymousreply 1709/23/2013

Just belieb, R17.

by Anonymousreply 1809/23/2013

Angela is a skilled politician. A conservative, but a practical, non-ideological and effective one who refuses to talk off the top of her head or be drawn into fights she can't win (Barack take note). Germany is very happy with her. Part of this is because she clearly and simply reflects the German view on immigration -- "masters in our own home." No waffling a la Blair, Cameron or Hollande.

Must be nice to live in a place where leadership is respected, trusted, and rewarded.

by Anonymousreply 1909/23/2013

"Must be nice to live in a place where leadership is respected, trusted, and rewarded."

Ja, mein Fuhrer.

by Anonymousreply 2009/23/2013

Come on. Is the hate Barack Obama endures pleasing to you? Did Bush leaving his second term in ignominy make America feel good?

It would be a pleasant change to live somewhere where the people are open to the leader's ideas and work with the leader to get the country to an enviable place. Which is where Germany is right now.

by Anonymousreply 2109/23/2013

[quote]in ignominy

God, you are an asshole.

by Anonymousreply 2209/23/2013

[quote]It would be a pleasant change to live somewhere where the people are open to the leader's ideas and work with the leader to get the country to an enviable place.

I agree.

by Anonymousreply 2309/23/2013

Poland must be shitting their britches.

by Anonymousreply 2409/23/2013

OK, not in "ignominy", R22, to which you take some sort of puffed-up offense. George Bush left office vilified, hated, and banished, quite a bit of which he deserved. Now Obama's looking like he might suffer the same fate. I don't like it, but that's the way it is.

People liking and supporting their government seems a desirable state to me. They can always change their minds later.

by Anonymousreply 2509/23/2013

[quote]People liking and supporting their government seems a desirable state to me. They can always change their minds later.

Did you happen to drop by our recent 'Are you a Fascist' thread by any chance?

by Anonymousreply 2609/23/2013

You know she is a quantum chemist by trade, don't you? This is why she is so stunning looking.

by Anonymousreply 2709/23/2013

Here it is, R26. "Are there any true fascists on DL?"

by Anonymousreply 2809/23/2013

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by Anonymousreply 2909/23/2013

R29, all of us would--except for the Jews, of course.

by Anonymousreply 3009/23/2013

"do you think we would get universal healthcare and five weeks paid vacation?"

Yes, herr. The trains will be packed to the most desirable of destinations. I highly recommend the excellent bathing facilities and cozy, warm fireplace-graced rooms.

by Anonymousreply 3109/23/2013

Oh God. Anyone who has visited Germany knows it is not a fascist society. It has more income equality than the US. People on DL routinely decry the ignorance of the masses, but German journalism is very responsible, well-documented, and not dumbed-down. Germany invests in green energy and transportation. Merkel closed the country's nuclear industry. She has given Barack Obama the cold shoulder over NSA spying.

Maybe America has been in turmoil and anger so long it does not value harmony anymore. Maybe it is hooked on adversarialism for its own sake.

by Anonymousreply 3209/23/2013

Dumbass Germans. Having proved by example that left socialism works, they are trying to lose everything they have by a conservative turn. All due to local petty attempts at corruption, which Angela Merkel has been supportive of.


by Anonymousreply 3309/23/2013

Germany is the only economy doing well. I know tons of young tech people there & they all support her. Their wives love her.

The USA economy & the Calif economy are shit, despite the money the fed is pumping in, and despite Gov Brown playing with the numbers according to Sac Bee columnist Dan Walters (who is a center D & does extensive numeric and state coverage of the CA economy).

There is also a bump up of RE prices in CA and elsewhere but I'm not sure how long that will last, I fear another bubble in the making.

by Anonymousreply 3409/23/2013

"The strongest conservative poll result in two decades was a thundering popular endorsement for the leader who is dubbed “Mummy” at home"

That's not creepy at all.

by Anonymousreply 3509/23/2013

Don't forget that the unions still have enormous power in Germany, and there's much less income inequality than in this country. She hasn't changed that, to my knowledge.

I don't much like her, but there's no comparison between her and conservatives in the US.

by Anonymousreply 3609/23/2013

Funny cause she has no kids...

by Anonymousreply 3709/23/2013

Austerity cunt. Anyone praising her is a neocon.

by Anonymousreply 3809/23/2013

"Anyone who has visited Germany knows it is not a fascist society."

Yes, but we post nasty comments about their past "for the lulz".

by Anonymousreply 3909/23/2013

Is there any other elder here who was flummoxed when the US, Britain and Russia allowed Germany to reunify?

by Anonymousreply 4009/23/2013

[quote] It has more income equality than the US. People on DL routinely decry the ignorance of the masses, but German journalism is very responsible, well-documented, and not dumbed-down. Germany invests in green energy and transportation. Merkel closed the country's nuclear industry. She has given Barack Obama the cold shoulder over NSA spying.

Germany's social services dwarf almost every other country's. They have the highest number (by multiples) per capita of domestic violence shelters for women and rehab centers in Europe. (I think also in the world, but don't quote me.)

If anything, Merkel has been criticized as being too cautious and timid when it comes to leading the EU. But she has created a climate of stability and trust, which I envy, though of course I wish they would accelerate the gay rights issues.

by Anonymousreply 4109/23/2013

r40 my father would be rolling over in his grave but yet, I'm happy about it. And I am Jewish.

Also I like Merkel.

by Anonymousreply 4209/23/2013

Yeah, I thought it was a bad idea R40.

by Anonymousreply 4309/23/2013

The Germans have what they have because they're willing both to work for it and to pay for it. Too many Americans want the same benefits but are neither willing to work nor pay for them. Americans are like Greeks, wanting to live off someone else's money instead.

by Anonymousreply 4409/23/2013

remember, it is also the aspie capital of the world.

by Anonymousreply 4509/23/2013

[quote] Americans are like Greeks, wanting to live off someone else's money instead

Agreed. So let's start with no longer subsidizing/socializing the LOSSES of those on Wall Street while they privatize their profits?

by Anonymousreply 4609/23/2013 she can get rid of those fucking,oppressive burquas.

by Anonymousreply 4709/23/2013

[quote]my father would be rolling over in his grave but yet, I'm happy about it. And I am Jewish.

I'm sure German Jews like her. She took against against last year's anti-circumcision law.

by Anonymousreply 4809/23/2013

[quote]Poland must be shitting their britches.

In Poland, britches shit YOU.

by Anonymousreply 4909/24/2013

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by Anonymousreply 5009/24/2013

Germany's insistence on austerity is killing Europe. They should know better.

by Anonymousreply 5109/24/2013

r48 - I do think that German Jews like her a lot, but let's be honest, Germany did get rid of most of their Jews, and almost all the Jews in Europe. Sadly.

Today the Muslims want to obliterate all the Jews in the world, again.

Sigh. Neverending assault on my people. Still, I love Merkel.

by Anonymousreply 5209/24/2013

I'm a German who would never vote for Merkel's party (I vote far left) but even I don't hate her. She's just bland and tries not to take too much of a stand for or against any issue. It has served her well...but not others.

by Anonymousreply 5309/24/2013

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by Anonymousreply 5409/24/2013

The fat bitch is just angry that noone wants to fuck her and thinks it's all gays' fault!

by Anonymousreply 5509/24/2013

Angie has a stinky votze.

by Anonymousreply 5609/24/2013

[quote]"The strongest conservative poll result in two decades was a thundering popular endorsement for the leader who is dubbed “Mummy” at home"

"Mummy" how cute & calmly reassuring. But isn't that the female equivalent to "Fuhrer"{ (father)?

by Anonymousreply 5709/25/2013

Fuehrer is not father. Vater=father and Fuehrer=leader.

by Anonymousreply 5809/25/2013

Keep in mind that Merkel's conservative party (CDU) embrace policies that would make them centrist Democrats in the US. The political spectrum generally ranges from center-left to hard left (Greens and Die Linke). That hyper-individualist mindset of the Tea Party just doesn't exist in the German psyche.

Granted, she has the personality of cold oatmeal and, like most Germans, is a fiscal conservative - nothing is done on credit, cash only. But generally Germans have liked her for her handling of the financial crisis. Being stingy with credit paid off for them.

by Anonymousreply 5909/25/2013

German for "Mummy": Mutti

by Anonymousreply 6009/25/2013

[quote]Is there any other elder here who was flummoxed when the US, Britain and Russia allowed Germany to reunify?

Excuse me? How the fuck are you posting from 1951?

by Anonymousreply 6109/25/2013

Norway also has a right wing government right now. After all we've been through, and this country STILL vote for the conservative and racist assholes. I'm ashamed and embarrassed to be Norwegian.

by Anonymousreply 6209/25/2013

Merkels famous trademark hand gesture the "Merkel-Raute" is very "illuminating" if you know or believe anything about masonic secret signs.

I love how her button always makes such a cute little all seeing eye at the top of the pyramid !

by Anonymousreply 6309/25/2013

I know most of us will say7 the hand gestures are just her personal quirk, and people see conspiracies where ever they want if the look hard enough.

The only thing that leads me to question it after seeing that video, one thing that stands out which is VERY obvious in that montage is tha Merkel is ALWAYS filmed from the exact same angle. Why not shoopt her from the shoulders up? Her body isn't that great, why not do a full body angle? Why the focus on her hands which are always in the middle of the frame and the focus , and whats with the exact same rhythmic movements?

by Anonymousreply 6409/25/2013

I like Merkel. Glad she won

by Anonymousreply 6509/25/2013

I hope Merkel is still leader when Hillary is President in'16 . can't wait to see those two have a "whose got the biggest dick contest" in matching pantsuits !

Putin will be shitting his closeted pants by then. If only we could re-animate Thatcher...

by Anonymousreply 6609/25/2013

R65, you stared at her hands in that video too long , didn't you?

by Anonymousreply 6709/25/2013

R67: you are aware you just wrote "I you love you" auf Deutsch? I think you meant to say "Ich liebe dich". But hell, why let facts get in the way of batshit conspiracy theories?

by Anonymousreply 6809/25/2013

Is that the best you can come with R68? Critizing how google translate came up with the German for " Yes Mummy I love you"?

Even though you remembered to insert the standard "batshit conspiracy theories" into your reply, you really suck as a media monitor.

Or all you all just automated webcrawlers now and cannot completely decipher two languages at once?

by Anonymousreply 6909/25/2013

Let's put it this way, R69: if you're going to make stupid, cheap generalizations about a country and their leaders, at least make a minimum of effort to use the fucking language properly. Makes you look less like an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 7009/25/2013

Normally I wouldn`t even bother to reply to some deeply offended poster, because if that's the case than you can damn well bet I INTENDED you be offended.

[quote]stupid, cheap generalizations about a country and their leaders

Pray tell R70, what in my previous posts offended you so much? Surely it wasn't just the use of a badly translated German phrase. I happen to admire Merkel quite a bit and find her story fascinating.

I am just dying to know....

by Anonymousreply 7109/25/2013

[quote]Today the Muslims want to obliterate all the Jews in the world, again.

[quote]Sigh. Neverending assault on my people. Still, I love Merkel.

Oh, you poor thing.

by Anonymousreply 7209/25/2013

"There are over 100,000 Jews living in Germany today. "

WOW THAT MANY??? With a population of 80 million people 100,000 Jews?

by Anonymousreply 7309/25/2013

TY r68 I was totally confused about that too, it must have been a google translate bs thing that poster said. I'm learning German on duolingo and was

by Anonymousreply 7409/25/2013

"Berlin has over 18,000 Jewish Israelis living there."

How many Jewish Germans live in Berlin?

by Anonymousreply 7509/25/2013

R19 She's not exactely loved but overall we think she is doing a good job. You need a tough cookie for this. And what we consider to be conservative and center right in Germany is still liberal and left in the USA.

The only serious problem I have with her, or rather her party, is the stance on gay marriage. Our constitutional court has ruled several times that the way things are now violates the constitution but they keep dragging this out. I hope the social dems will form a coalition with the CDU and get this done. They have been trying this for years now and everytime the fucking conservatives blocked their effords.

by Anonymousreply 7609/26/2013

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by Anonymousreply 7709/26/2013

Mutti Merkel and Queen Liz.

Which is the bigger cunt?

by Anonymousreply 7809/26/2013

[quote] Is that the best you can come with [R68]? Critizing how google translate came up with the German for " Yes Mummy I love you"?

You were shamed for being a fucking idiot and talking out of your ass about something you don't know.

If you can't get that right, you're probably full of shit on everything else, too.


by Anonymousreply 7909/26/2013

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by Anonymousreply 8009/26/2013

[quote]stunning parliamentary election victory


by Anonymousreply 8109/26/2013

R80, I don't mean to offend anyone, but you are about the only person I have heard say they think Germans are hot. In surveys, Germans almost never rank highly as a nationality people find attractive. Germans are widely thought if as Lurchy, boxy, big-boned, and cold.

by Anonymousreply 8209/26/2013

R82 Never been to Germany I guess? Cold isn't a characteristic I would associate with Germans and lurchy, boxy, big-boned? Please, people come in all shapes and sizes. If you want big and big-boned as a typical characteristic, look no further than the Dutch.

by Anonymousreply 8309/26/2013

Merkel. Ever country outside of Germany in Europe wants to strangle that fucking woman over Germany's desires of austerity for the other countries.She might be popular in the Fatherland but she is hated outside of it.

As for Queen Liz the Lizard Queen(real conspiracy theorists know about those claims) even the fucking Irish love her now. She went to the country that most despised her and even her majesty won them over. If Merkel had a parade in Italy, Spain,Greece, Portugal or Ireland, she would be lucky to make it alive through the whole parade.

by Anonymousreply 8409/27/2013

I am not a fan of her, but Germany is doing better than the US economically. She is not nearly as conservative as bigots like Bush and Rommney.

by Anonymousreply 8509/29/2013

IDK about German guys. After 30 they're all bald and wear glasses, and almost all have that jutting chin thing going on. Nice guys though.

by Anonymousreply 8609/29/2013

R84 I know, the little weak chaos countries that can't handle their economy and social systems naturally hate big strong Germany. Like we say over here: What does the German oak tree care if a wild boar scratches itself on it?

by Anonymousreply 8709/30/2013

Let us hope Angela Merkel is the LAST Chancellor of Germany's Pink Triangle era.

by Anonymousreply 8809/30/2013

I agree with r82. German men can be stunners. Best looking men I've ever seen in my life but I didn't care for their attitude.

by Anonymousreply 8909/30/2013

Merkel and her new puppet IOC chief are extremley anti-gay!

by Anonymousreply 9009/30/2013

Germany is anti-gay.

In spite of all the denying it, Merkel campaigned on a platform of keeping Gay Germans as second class citizens and was overwhelming elected for it.

by Anonymousreply 9109/30/2013

German are same old nazi anti-gay shit. They love fisting but won't give LGBT people any rights.

by Anonymousreply 9209/30/2013

[quote]German are same old nazi anti-gay shit. They love fisting but won't give LGBT people any rights.

Thank you for providing that fascinating glimpse into your sick, pathetic attempt at a soul.

Fortunately your personal psychoses have nothing to do with the real country that is Germany in 2013.

by Anonymousreply 9309/30/2013

real country? just like in 1936? I hope when WW3 starts they'll totally wipe that nazi shit off the face of the planet!

by Anonymousreply 9409/30/2013

Germans voted Merkel back in on an anti-gay ticket. Deal with the reality.

by Anonymousreply 9509/30/2013

Seems lots of posters are mentally still stuck in 1933. Civil unions are legal in Germany since 2001! Germany has an openly gay secretary of state and an openly gay mayor of Germany's capitol city Berlin.

by Anonymousreply 9609/30/2013

Germany invented the pink triangle, it rounded up Gays and mass murdered them. Yet regardless of this history, Germans still today, over 70 year later, treat Gays as second class citizens.

That is the worst kind of homophobia.

Imagine if the USA still had some of the policy's of slavery in place today....that is what it is like.

by Anonymousreply 9709/30/2013

[quote]That is the worst kind of homophobia.

Oh really?

by Anonymousreply 9809/30/2013

R91 LOL Gay rights were no topic in the election campaigns whatsoever.

R97 I assume you are the same person or at least a deranged troll of the same fashion. Anyway, unlike Germany that has gay civil union since 2001 and didn't have anything like Don't ask don't tell, the USA banned openly gay and lesbian people from serving in the military until shortly ago and has banned gay marriage on the overwhelming majority of its states.

Looks like the USA is the anti-gay fascist nation here.

Oh, and some might point out that letting inmates work for a couple of cents per hour for shorter prison terms, better/more food etc. is slavery...

by Anonymousreply 9909/30/2013

Are Germans progressives and anti-gay rights groups adequately agitating, organizing, and demanding marriage equality? Is there a major movement for it there?

by Anonymousreply 10009/30/2013

Seek professional help, R92/94.

by Anonymousreply 10109/30/2013

R100 Why would anti-gay rights groups demand marriage equality?

I assume you misspoke or I misunderstood. Anyway, progressives (SPD, Greens, Left etc.) have been trying to pass laws to ensure 100% equality since years but the CDU keeps blocking them on state level. Obviously gays can enter a civil union in all states and get state benefits but it's still not 100% equal to hetero marriage (some tax benefits, adoption laws). The majority of Germans are pro gay-marriage, too.

Anyway, I know some people like to think it is all about them but sorry to tell you, in European countries elections are usually not centered around a topic like gay marriage. It's cheap to use human rights as a tool to rile up the masses. The last two generations may be openminded and liberal, but the old folks tend to be more conservative.

I expect complete equality to happen rather quietly and without nay-sayers and bigots that fall for cheap anti-gay propaganda to have a say in this, just like the civil union laws was passed in 2001. I still remember how the catholic bishops freaked out and there was nothing they could do about it, hahaha!

by Anonymousreply 10209/30/2013

r102, are German celebrities and high profile public figures joining the campaign for marriage equality? Are gay rights groups connecting with youth and the arts community for this cause in the way they have in many countries? Just wondering.

by Anonymousreply 10309/30/2013

It's pretty shocking how uneducated some posters are on this board regarding gay rights around the world. Gays are more accepted and have more rights in Germany than in most US states.

by Anonymousreply 10409/30/2013

Do the idiots here who hate Germany realize that Germany has a third sex option now on birth certificates?

I love Germany, and I *am* Jewish. I'm also totally 100% pro-Israel btw, so don't tell me I'm self-hating because I am not at all.

Germany is truly an awesome beautiful beautiful country.

by Anonymousreply 10509/30/2013

You can't be the country which created the pink triangle and still not give Gays full equality today.

It is just not possible.

Claiming you are better than Texas does not add to your argument.

by Anonymousreply 10609/30/2013

You are forgetting that 1933 was 80 years ago.

Also not forget mentioning that your previous presidents (who was more conservative regarding gay rights than Merkel will ever be) grandfather co-sponsored Hitlers war!

Texas to this day bans all same sex unions. All gay and lesbian couples have the right to legal unions all over Germany since 2001.

by Anonymousreply 10709/30/2013

R103 Yes.

R106 Texas? Better than the overwhelming majority of US states that all ban gay marriage. You can't claim to be the good guy and enforce state mandated racism after seeing what happened in Germany in WWII. You can't claim to be the good guy, ban gay marriage in most parts of the country, allow many states to still legally discriminate against LGBT people. You can't claim to be the good guy and ban gays and lesbians from openly serving in the military and only recently get rid of the law like a fucking islamist country. You can't claim to be the good guy and enforce laws that protect bullies from bullying LGBT teens into scuicide as long as they did it for religious reasons.

So until you can present gay rights and equality all over the US that comes even close to what is the case in Germany, shut your pie hole. :)

by Anonymousreply 10810/01/2013

The reason why Germany has fallen so far behind the rest of the Western world, is Germans keep denying the anti-gay discrimination instead of fighting against it. AKA why gay equality was not even an election issue this year.

by Anonymousreply 10910/01/2013


[/quote]AKA why gay equality was not even an election issue this year.

Sorry we didn't make it the main topic of the election and let certain parties use it was a tool to rile ignorant bigots up against gay people like US politicians do. Sorry that we just quietly pass laws that improve the situation bit by bit without giving irrational bigots a chance to do anything against it.

Fallen behind the western world? You mean like the USA that only got rid of Don't ask don't tell recently and bans gay marriage in the majority of its states?

Clean up in front of your own door. Pretty much all western, northern and central European countries have gay marriage or some form of civil union.

Why has the USA fallen so far behind the rest of the Western world, R109?

by Anonymousreply 11010/01/2013

[quote]Why has the USA fallen so far behind the rest of the Western world, R109?

We'll answer that question just as soon as our government reopens. Sorry for the delay.

by Anonymousreply 11110/01/2013

if marriage equality was not an issue in the German elections, then the blame lies with German gays, progressives, and gay rights organizations. At least Australian gays made it an election issue.

by Anonymousreply 11210/01/2013

R97, the vast majority of the USA still won't recognise same-sex marriage despite its apalling legacy of anti-miscegenation laws not even two generations ago. When your president was born, his parents would not have been able to marry in much of your country. Just over 40 years ago your country stopped people from marrying on grounds of race, now it's stopping them from marrying on grounds of gender.

You know those occasions when much of the rest of the world thinks Americans are thick as shit and, despite the fact that they know very little about rest of the world, they think their's is the greatest country? Seems some of those pig-ignorant Americans are on this thread.

by Anonymousreply 11310/01/2013

Oh, and want a good example of the difference in political culture between the US and Germany? Compare your politicians' inability to agree a budget and the ensuing government shutdown with the negotations to form a governing coalition in Germany.

by Anonymousreply 11410/01/2013

With the collapse of Pope Ratzinger. Merkel is now the anti-gay leader of Europe.

Funny they are both Germans.....

by Anonymousreply 11510/01/2013

Keep fucking that chicken, R115.

by Anonymousreply 11610/01/2013

R113 Well said!

by Anonymousreply 11710/01/2013

What seems to be missing from this discussion, unless I missed a post, is that Germany has in place some rather expensive social engineering to promote the traditional family of a married man and woman with naturally born (not adopted) children. The social engineering has not worked, in spite of some rather generous tax breaks and cash incentives. The result has been a decline in the birth rate and a decline in marriages. The social programs have also come under fire because they are not available to those who adopt or those who have children outside of marriage.

Some, but not all of the resistance to recognizing Gay marriage is that Gays and Lesbians would be eligible for benefits, but adoptive parents and unmarried parents would not. It would be a further burden on the economy if more were eligible for benefits. And, it raises the sticky question of whether one is eligible for benefits if only one spouse is the parent of the natural born child.

The fact is that the whole social engineering needs to be thrown out, but it is very hard for the Germans to admit that a program that has been in place for 50 (?) years does not work.

by Anonymousreply 11810/01/2013

Link please, r118. Most of what you wrote sounds made up!

This is actually what German benefits in relation to adoptive parents are - the same as birth parents!

"Provided the conditions mentioned below are met, every person living in Germany is entitled to child benefit (Kindergeld) and a parental allowance (Elterngeld) for his or her own children, for adopted children or for children of the spouse (stepchildren). For entitlement to child benefit, also grandchildren or foster-children who live in the same household can be taken into account."

"Parental allowance (Elterngeld) The parental allowance is paid to the mother and/or to the father, provided that the parents share the same household with the child and bring it up themselves. A parent receives this benefit as long as s/he does not work for more than 30 hours per week. It is payable until the child reaches the age of 14 months."

[...] "For adopted children and children who are taken into the household with the goal of adoption, the parental allowance can be paid for up to 14 months. The 14-month period starts when the child is taken into the household. The entitlement ceases when the child has reached the age of eight."

And the same for kindergarten places, other benefits, etc.

by Anonymousreply 11910/01/2013

R118 As R119 already mentioned, total bullshit on your side. Adopted kids get the same benefits and no one gives a flying fornication about gay married couples and their kids receiving the same benefits as straight couples.

Gay married couples (yes, people generally refer to it as marriage, husband, wife etc.) receive a lot of the benefits straight couples get, but aside from some tax issues the children issue is a tricky thing. German conservative bigots use the same lame excuse that US conservative bigots use (when in reality they just hate gays and don't want them to have equal rights or believe they are bad for religious reasons):

women + men + children are supposed to get special protection and they are actually arguing that this special protection can only be upheld if others are treated less previleged. This has already been ruled as unconstitutional by our constitutional court and of course the "argument" is total bullshit, contradictory and not really supported by the constitution, but these idiots keep blocking certain laws nonetheless.

This is not supported by the vast majority of the population and those who are against gay marriage are mainly older folks who don't care about rational arguments anyway or Turkish people (muslims) or second generation Turks with German citizenship.

by Anonymousreply 12010/01/2013

People keep claiming that the majority of Germans are not anti-gay yet these same Germans keep electing blatantly anti-gay leaders.

The 2 facts just don't add up.

Germany is NOT a gay friendly country.

Constantly saying so won't make it any more true than US Evangelicals constantly claiming they are not anti-gay, which they do.

by Anonymousreply 12110/01/2013

I don't Germany is more anti-gay than the United States. But I think their gay community and gay rights organizations are more regressive and politically/socially lazy and less ambitious than American gays and progressives.

by Anonymousreply 12210/01/2013


LOL Please seek help.

The majority of Germans are pro-gay marriage. Fact. But the majority of Germans also were not willing to vote for the goofy chaos alternative that might accidentally have started a war while doing diplomatic talks with other countries because he is so unpredictable and doesn't think before he talks.

Guess what, people have a whole set of factors after which they decide for whom to vote and gay getting the last bits of tax inequality and adoption rights sorted out is just one little part of the whole picture.

by Anonymousreply 12310/01/2013

R122 The US is much more anti-gay than Germany. Again, Germany has had civil unions since 2001 and never had something like Don't ask don't tell while the USA only got rid of it recently and has banned gay marriage in most of its states.

And yes, gay rights organisations in Germany are less aggressive and active because Germany is more advanced when it comes to gay rights than the USA so they probably don't feel there is that much need to fight.

R121 I am still waiting for you to answer my question: why has the USA fallen so far behind the rest of the western world when it comes to gay rights?

by Anonymousreply 12410/01/2013

If Merkel was as anti gay as some describe her to be, she would have gotten rid of the legal partnership option for gays and lesbians long time ago.

Germans support for same-sex marriage is above that of the European Union.

Germans mainly voted for Merkel because she was able to stabilize Germans economy after the financial crises. Something most European leaders were not able to do.

by Anonymousreply 12510/01/2013

Obama publicly supports gay marriage.

Merkel does not.

Merkel does not even support tax equality or adoption, saying that kids needs male and female parents to properly raise them.

That is a heck of a lot worse than the USA outside of Tea Party states, which are much like Bavaria.

by Anonymousreply 12610/01/2013


And what does Obama's and Merkel's opinions matter? Fuck all, when you look at the reality of gay rights in the USA and Germany.

USA: just recently got rid of DADT, gay marriage banned in the overwhelming majority of states, many states can still legally discriminate based in sexual orientation

Germany: never had DADT, civil union since 2001 with gays getting most of the benefits straight married couples get, states can't discriminate based on sexual orientation

But good to know that in your deranged mind you'd rather have the US lagging behind the western world when it comes to gay rights but the sock puppet at the front saying he is pro gay rights (that don't exist in the majority if the country) than a country that actually has gay rights and is moving towards 100% equality with a sock puppet at the front saying he is not down with gay marriage.

And you still haven't aswered my question:

Why has the USA fallen that far behind the rest of the western world when it comes to gay rights?

R125, reading your and then R126's posts is like the difference between someone being capable of rational thought and a blind, willfully ignorant fanatic.

by Anonymousreply 12710/01/2013

Almost 3 quarter of Germans support gay marriage, in the US its only half of the population.

by Anonymousreply 12810/01/2013

Germans will always be scary, unlikeable, humorless people. But they're very practical and efficient.

by Anonymousreply 12910/01/2013


... mostly in the eyes of uneducated ignorants!

by Anonymousreply 13010/01/2013

R126, Obama only in the past year decided to publicly say he "supports" (as in, he won't block, not that he will actively campaign for) same-sex marriage. It wasn't that long ago he was saying he believed marriage should only be between a man and a woman because "God is in the mix".

"Merkel does not even support tax equality or adoption, saying that kids needs male and female parents to properly raise them." This is absolute bullshit and she never said any such things.

The tax equality issue is determined by the constitution, as are a lot of issues relating to gay rights in Germany. The German Constitutional Court has been issuing many rulings in favour of same-sex marriage and parnership rights and that is the route that is being followed in Germany. Like in the US when you were all so excited not because your Supreme Court voted to make all states implement same-sex marriage, but because it voted to do away with the ban on the federal government recognising same-sex marriarge.

"That is a heck of a lot worse than the USA outside of Tea Party states, which are much like Bavaria." This is absolute bullshit too.

And, let's not forget - the United States of America does not have same-sex marriage. Some regions do, but the rights you get from those arrangments don't give you any more or particularly different rights than what you currently get in Germany.

Many states in the US have a ban on same-sex marriage. No German federal state does. And, just listen to a large number of your American politicians and citizens on same-sex marriage. Bavaria is not comparable with that lunacy.

Again, important as same-sex marriage is, it isn't one of the most vital issues of the German elections.

by Anonymousreply 13110/01/2013

I don't care much for Germans...

by Anonymousreply 13210/02/2013

Sorry, I have no respect for German gays if they think mere civil unions are enough. At least French and British gays had enough social consciousness to recognize civil unions were not enough and make marriage equality a national priority. Even Colombian gays know this.

by Anonymousreply 13310/02/2013

R133 Who said they think it is enough? They are working towards 100% equal rights but quiety and definitely more successfully than American gays.

No offence but how much respect for Americans gays do you have for taking up with DADT for ages and just looking on while the overwhelming majority of US states has gay marriage banned and many states still allow discrimination based on sexual orientation or have laws passed that protect people if they bully LGBT teens into suicide for religious reasons?

by Anonymousreply 13410/02/2013

Scary to see how many gay men on this board still think it's 1936.

by Anonymousreply 13510/02/2013

R133, believe it or not, no one has any interest in what you think.

Oh, and I'm not responding to your post because of any interest in your opinion. It's just your pompous arrogance I'd like to knock.

by Anonymousreply 13610/02/2013

France, England, Spain, Netherlands, Sweden, Belgium....they are all exposing Germany for what it still really is.

Old habits never die in the Fatherland.

by Anonymousreply 13710/02/2013

[quote]Old habits never die in the Fatherland.

Says the mentally unstable wingnut who still blames the grandchildren of Nazis for WWII.

by Anonymousreply 13810/02/2013

France, United Kingdom, Spain, Netherlands, Sweden, Belgium...

Wait a minute - you can't add the USA to the list of countries with same-sex marriage!

France, United Kingdom, Spain, Netherlands, Sweden, Belgium... all exposing the land where its own president's parents could have been imprisoned for marrying at the time he was born for what it really is. Arrogant, hypocritical, ignorant, backward.

Oh, and their government has to shut down because huge numbers of their elected politicians, with the backing of many of their citizens, don't accept the principle of universal health coverage for all. And Germany is supposedly the evil country!

Important as I think same-sex marriage is, full health coverage for all citizens really is a much more important principle.

by Anonymousreply 13910/02/2013

Whatever happened to Angela's grandmother, Una?

by Anonymousreply 14010/02/2013

Germans making excuses for their governments bigotry....

Is this not how the Holocaust started in the first place?

by Anonymousreply 14110/02/2013

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by Anonymousreply 14210/02/2013

Yet another example of obvious German homophobia, in their 2014 Olympic uniforms.

by Anonymousreply 14310/02/2013

"Modern Germany is an extremely liberal and tolerant nation, with universal health coverage, a total embracement of green energy and a very good humanitarian reputation in the rest of the world. It's shocking how little Americans know about the rest of the world"

WOW!......and I thought Americans were deluded with self grandeur.....

by Anonymousreply 14410/02/2013

Thanks for proving the original point with your provincial reaction, R144.

Germany is the greenest country in Europe. The Reichstag is heated by geothermal and gets power from solar panels on the roof. For a week last summer, 100% of Germany's electrical needs were met completely by solar energy production. Organic supermarkets abound.

by Anonymousreply 14510/02/2013

R144, everything R142 stated is corrent. You on the other hand show with every new post that you don't have the slightest clue about what is going on outside if the US.

Not to mention that you are making excuses for the digusting lack of gay rights in the USA. The USA has to be the worst anti-gay country of the western world.

And the worst when it comes to social security, health care, wealth distribution, murder and rape rates, censorship of the media, criminalisation of all kinds of freedoms Europeans enjoy, police violence, religion meddling with politics and education, student loan horror...

by Anonymousreply 14610/02/2013

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by Anonymousreply 14710/02/2013

Yes, Germany does a far better job of handling the environment, crime and the economy than the USA contest. The USA is beyond corrupted BUT Germany's continued second class treatment of Gays, considering its Pink Triangle past is disgust, personified.

Germany: a nation of very eco friendly and economically adjusted anti-gay bigots.

by Anonymousreply 14810/02/2013

Merkel is very beautiful, inside and out. She may not photograph well, but in person she has milky smooth skin, lovely eyes, and lush hair.

by Anonymousreply 14910/02/2013

Not having same-sex marriage, which is an issue that has come to the fore in only the past few years, does not make Germany a nation of anti-gay bigots. And the stuff about pink triangles is just moronic.

Otherwise, we would also have to call the United States of America, which does not have universal same-sex marriage, a nation of anti-gay bigots. Not only is the USA beyond corrupted, as r148 admits, but it also continues its policy of segregating people.

Only about a dozen countries in the world have same-sex marriage, all within the 21st century, which is only 13 years old. The idea that a country without same-sex marriage - but with legal recognition of same-sex couples - is somehow a nation of anti-gay bigots is pathetic. It also shows, to a great degree, how self-centred we are in the west: really, Germany not having same-sex marriage (but having legal recognition of gay couples) is worthy of being equated with Russia's demonisation of gay people, proposals that the Ugandan state kill gay people, the fact that homosexuality is illegal or criminalised in some form in probably most of the world, the shockingly huge levels of global homophobia and persecution of gay people.

Anyway, it's just a handful of fringe idiots who keep coming up with this crap. They are best ignored now, and can go off and enjoy their country with a shutdown government, still no real universal health care, barbaric capital punishment, huge discrepancy between rich and poor, low taxation of the extremely wealthy compared with other developed countries. Then they can go and have a coffee in a cafe or go shopping in a supermarket where their fellow citizens may be walking around, quite legally, with guns tucked into their ever expandng waistbands. And in some places they can get away with using quite literally to murder innocent teens simply because they're black. And Germany is the country that supposedly hasn't gotten over the ghosts of its abhorrent past.

by Anonymousreply 15010/02/2013


You still haven't answered my question:

Why is the USA one of the, if not the most anti-gay country in the western world?

The USA is not a good place for gays. Gay marriage banned in almost all states, just recently got rid if DADT, many states allow discrimination based on sexual orienation, some protect ppl who bullied LGBT teens into suicid. The USA also has thousands of churches every day preaching hatred against homosexuals and has hundreds and hundreds of anti-gay hate groups actively working to keep the USA as anti-gay as it is right now.


When a catholic fundie extremist group mainly operated from Austria started to spread hatred against gays on their website in the most disgusting manner, tryting to incite violence against them, the government hunted the owners of the website down, which wasn't easy because they kept changing servers. They are now in trouble and a catholic priest who was also writing for them was kicked out of the church.

Preaching hatred against gays in churches is unthinkable in Germany.

Why do you make excuses for the disgusting anti-gay culture and politics of the USA?

What are you? Some kind of gay masochist drone that enjoys being treated like a second class citizen?

by Anonymousreply 15110/03/2013

Germany is not in North America therefor should not be held in comparison. Compare it to the UK, France and Spain instead.

by Anonymousreply 15210/03/2013

R152 You mean France where they had hundred of thousands of homophobes protesting against gay marriage lately?

Anyway, are you saying that North American excists on a whole different level of intolerance, bigotry and disgusting lack of gay rights and should thus not be compared to the civilized world?

Are you suffering from Stockholm Syndrome or something? Are you a masochist? Do you enjoy making excuses for the USA, the probably most anti-gay western country?

Hm, lets see. To which country can we compare North America? Oh right. Russia.

by Anonymousreply 15310/03/2013

Well, at least French, Spanish, British, Finnish, and Irish gays have enough political consciousness to agitate and make marriage equality a national issue and demand. It's called political and social maturity.

by Anonymousreply 15410/03/2013

R154 German gays already achieved a lot and in a quiet and mature way. Unlike todays' American gays. Where is the political and social maturity of American gays? Why do masochists like you make excuses for the disgusting anti-gay situation in North America? Why let it come to this? Why put up with it? I don't see this being a national issue in the US? Where is the nation-wide uproar in the face of total inequality, banned gay marriage all over the country, legal discrimination based on sexual orientation, thousands of churches preaching hate against you, thousands of hate groups propagating hate and lies about LGBT people, actively working to influence politics?

Gays in the US couldn't even prevent Prop8 a liberal state like California!

Get your own appalling situation in North America sorted out before you point your finger at countries that are a hundred times more advanced in gay-rights.

And get some therapy for that Stockholm Syndrome. Your universal healthcare should cover it. Oh, no wait... Ops! Sorry about that.

by Anonymousreply 15510/04/2013

uh....Canadian gays achieved this 10 years ago R155, further more they are still holding fast against a right wing Government (Prime Minister Harper) who tried and is still trying to take it all away.

Many US states have gay marriage, not 1 single German state does.

by Anonymousreply 15610/04/2013

r155, you seem to value doing things in a "quiet way." We call that being a pansy pushover and settling for second class citizenship. There is nothing admirable about being quiet about inequality. Even though many countries do not have equal marriage yet, a lot of these nations have fully engaged and demanding gay rights movements that have made the issue the standard for human rights. Being quiet about it is being complicit with injustice.

by Anonymousreply 15710/04/2013

I've got to admit I love Germany. I do research yearly at max planck and the Germans I deal with daily are as wonderful as any group in the rest of world. Their society is one the rest of the world would do well to model their own after.

Genuinely wonderful prosperous people on a scale that simply doesn't exist outside of a few other European countries.

by Anonymousreply 15810/04/2013

For Heterosexuals R158. Gays most definitely do NOT want to model German society.

I am beginning to think why German gays are so quiet on their second class status, is, they are just so damn glad the government stopping rounding them up and putting them in concentration camps, they do want to push it.

Being a second class citizen but being allowed to live, is a stop forward...I guess.

by Anonymousreply 15910/04/2013

R156 You mean 8 years ago, when Germany already had civil union since four years. And no, not many US states have gay marriage. In fact only a few have and the overwhelming majority has it banned, many still allow discrimination based on sexual orientation.

R157 Man, are you dumb. German gays have already achieved almost 100% equality. You don't need to be loud and obnoxious to fight for your rights. In fact the quiet diplomatic way is obviously much more effective then the crap you have produced in the US.

American gays are pushover pansies. Look what you have achieved. Nada. The gay-right situation in North America is appalling. Gay marriage banned in most states, many states still allow discrimination against your, churches and hate groups can freely preach hatred against you, some states protect anti-gay bullies. You pushovers let it come to a point where the USA can rather be compared to Russia than to European countris when it comes to gay rights. Congrats. Be proud of living in what is probably the most anti-gay western country.

by Anonymousreply 16010/04/2013

I'm pretty sure Italy easily trumps the USA as the most anti-gay Western Country there R160.

by Anonymousreply 16110/04/2013

R159 Haha, oh honey, that's another US problem. Mentally ill people like you need therapy but because you guys suck at everything social security your healthcare system doesn't cover it.

Tell me, American gay pushover pansy, do you enjoy your appalling gay-rights situation that is only topped by Russia when it comes to hatred against gays, legal discrimination, persecution and lack of equality? Are you proud of not even being a second class but thrid or forth class citizens in the overwhelming majority of US states? :)

by Anonymousreply 16210/04/2013

R159 you might want to visit Germany and see for yourself. Gays are fully integrated into German living. I had both gay and straight researchers helping in my research. In day to day life, there is no obvious strata of gay and straight.

Germans possess and endure great shame for the unforgivable actions of too many Germans during W.W.II. They are not making those mistakes, even on a smaller scale today. Yes, there are fringe dregs but they exist in every society.

by Anonymousreply 16310/04/2013

It's impossible to argue with r162. Nothing stated is incorrect.

by Anonymousreply 16410/04/2013

The Pink Triangle was invented in Germany.

Nothing tops that.

by Anonymousreply 16510/04/2013

R161 Wrong. Italy is almost as bad as North America when it comes to gay marriage, or the lack thereof, but does have a law that makes dicrimination against homosexuals illegal. Unlike many US states. And Italy can't ban open homosexuals from serving in the military, something that North America did until recently.

So yeah, North America is even worse than Italy when it comes to gay rights or the lack thereof. The US is much closer to Russia. And while we are at it, also much closer to Russia when it comes to other human rights issues, prisons, incarceration rates etc.

by Anonymousreply 16610/04/2013

R165 Haha, whatever, gay pansy pushover. Please do enjoy your appalling lack of gay rights, enjoy being legally discriminated against in many states, enjoy having gay marriage banned in the overwhelming majority of states, enjoy celebration the end of DADT like a good little masochist, a disgusting law that most gays in the rest of the western world never had to deal with, enjoy having religious bigots legally preaching hatred against your and asking for your to be put into concentration camps. Yeah, does that sound familiar to you? I bet it does. Only that it was 70 years ago in Germany and is happening right now in the USA.


by Anonymousreply 16710/04/2013

Oh, and one more thing about Italy. Even their craziest politicians are more mature and responsible than US politicians. You idiots shut down the government and waste insane amounts of money on this even though your are fucking broke. In Italy, even politicians loyal to Berlusconi just cut him off to avoid a shut down, which is the last thing they would need right now.

Seriously, can the US do ANYTHING right lately? Even your version of healthcare for all sucks ass compared to the real deal most of the western world is getting.

by Anonymousreply 16810/04/2013

Here is a photo of the actual uniform of the 18207th Gay person murdered in Germany.

His death estimated around 1942.

There were only around 18,000 recorded murders of gay Germans by 1942. The German murder of gays, sky rocketed in the next 3 years.

Saudi Arabia, by comparison, has officially murdered less than 200 gays.

by Anonymousreply 16910/04/2013

It's ok r169, we know your country is run by the biggest psychopaths out there. Which is why we pity you and know that you can't help being a stupid moron. You were brought up to think that you're "exceptional" and be completely ignorant of the realities in the rest of the world.

by Anonymousreply 17010/04/2013

I'm always amazed at the number of small, mean and ignorant people who somehow scrape up 18.00 to post on DL, but I can't imagine who on god's green earth is helping them operate a computer!

by Anonymousreply 17110/04/2013


Hey pushover pansy, why are you so proud of the appalling anti-gay situation in your country and why do you love being quite so much like Russia when it comes to gay right? :)

And speaking of pushover pansies: it's not only American gays, it's Americans in general. The 1% have successfully programmed you guys to cheer them on when they bend your over and fuck you. What kind of self-respecting, strong and free people are proud of paying taxes for their government to waste it on wars and to get nothing back but crappy social (in)security, education, incapablility to regulate big corporations and industry that pollute your contry and kill workers? What kind of people celebrate being exploitation of American workers, surpression of unions and being fucked over by the gun, pharma, "health" and prison industry lobby? What kind of self-respecting people allow religion to infiltrate politics, culture, the media and education, allow national tv to be censored, allow the government to motitor the fuck out of them, allow the government to detain them without a charge, to lock up whistle blowers that cover up war crimes of the US military? What kind of people put up with a police force that kills 600+ people a year? Do you enjoy letting the gun lobby fuck you over, putting up with 15.000+ people per year killed with guns while health coverage and earning your living with your job isn't even a right?

by Anonymousreply 17210/04/2013

Wow r172, you have some profound rage issues, perhaps even violent tendencies, dude.

by Anonymousreply 17310/04/2013

Please don't invade me.

by Anonymousreply 17410/04/2013

R173 I'm afraid it's the USA with the rage, violence and anti-gay issues. I am aware that seeing all this crap Americans put up with in one post, even if it is just a fraction, looks pretty horrible.

R174 Don't worry, that's not our method anymore, hurr hurr.

by Anonymousreply 17510/05/2013

R175, it's ok, r174 isn't Polish and knows nothing about Poland.

by Anonymousreply 17610/05/2013

R176 I think I got that one. ;) When I lived in the UK I don't know how many times people there took something clearly sarcastic I said completely serious because they think they invented sarcasm and Germans don't do it.

by Anonymousreply 17710/05/2013

How are coalition talks?

by Anonymousreply 17811/16/2013

Have they made government yet?

by Anonymousreply 17912/01/2013
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