Surprised by a libertarian co-worker
I work at a small business and am fairly close with all of my co-workers. We don't talk politics much, but everyone was happy when gay marriage was legalized and I always assumed everyone was a liberal/democrat.
I was surprised when one of them told me recently that she was a libertarian. I always associated libertarians with the evilest qualities of republicans. Have I been wrong? Are the libertarian democrats or do they not fall into either republican or democrat labels?
|by Anonymous||reply 93||06/26/2014|
they have always been pretty good on gay rights, but they are SO wrong about so many other things that, no.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||09/22/2013|
Do gays only care about gay issues?
|by Anonymous||reply 3||09/22/2013|
Obviously she is a cunt. Kick her to the curb because otherwise she'll come to you for bail money when she's arrested on DUI.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||09/22/2013|
Because, op. Any smart, normal gay person cares about A LOT more than just gay rights. Which is why any smart, decent gay person is neither a republican NOR a libertarian.
I would say "nice try' but it wasn't even....
|by Anonymous||reply 5||09/22/2013|
I'm mostly apolitical, but if I ever do pay attention on the political front it will be about gay rights because that's what affects me.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||09/22/2013|
Ask her to define libertarian (without referring to her notes) and see what happens.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||09/22/2013|
Are you 15 years old, op?
|by Anonymous||reply 10||09/22/2013|
I'm not 15. I'm 30.
I guess I didn't really understand what a libertarian was. I'm not a wild fan of big government, but certainly support stricter gun control so I guess I wouldn't fit in well with them.
How do they feel about education? I mean don't they realize we need some public goods for the great good of society?
|by Anonymous||reply 13||09/22/2013|
[quote] How do they feel about education?
They love homeschooling.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||09/22/2013|
Libertarians notoriously stand for nothing. Yes they espouse social liberal views yet are to the right of mod GOP policy. It is all about THEIR money, refusal to spend or support money for any social safety net or infrastructure for the greater good. They predated the wingnut side of the GOP.
Rand Paul. Ron Paul. Stupid and dangerous. No principles, whichever way the wind blows to enrich themselves personally.
Does that help?
|by Anonymous||reply 15||09/22/2013|
Most "libertarians" I've known have one big issue they care about - guns, weed, taxes, gay rights (in a few cases). They want "freedom" on that issue, but they don't really care about freedom for anyone else. They want their guns but don't care about gays. Or they want their weed and fuck everything else. They aren't a very consistent lot on what that "freedom" thing is.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||09/22/2013|
The traditional abbreviation of libertarian is socially liberal, fiscally conservative.
Unlike Liz Lemon's ex, Duffy, who declared himself socially conservative, fiscally liberal...
|by Anonymous||reply 17||09/22/2013|
[quote]I'm mostly apolitical, but if I ever do pay attention on the political front it will be about gay rights because that's what affects me.
The mind reels.
The Interstate Highway System
The Police and Fire Departments
The Public Library
|by Anonymous||reply 18||09/22/2013|
Don't libertarians believe in discrimination? As in, "If someone is a landlord he should be able to rent to anyone he wants to rent to and NOT rent to anyone he doesnt want to rent to and the government should have no say in that."
|by Anonymous||reply 22||09/22/2013|
Ron Paul would eliminate: Dept of Education Dept of Energy Those two should be enough to send chills down any thinking persons spine.
The Dept of Energy is far more than regulating the Nuclear Industry. It also conducts R&D into renewable energy, sets policy for energy security for states to follow.
Example US considers two items to be paramount when it comes to the security of our nation, prepared defense and reliable, means of powering our communities, hospitals, financial institutions, and police and first responders, etc.
The DOE, housed @ Oakridge US National Laboratory also houses CDAIC- Carbon Dioxide Analysis Information Center- one of 3 agencies charged with measuring the advances of Global Warming and the impact this has on life in our country (Midwest bread basket, drought in the South, etc). DOE/CDAIC is one of our country's pre-eminent Science institutions, along with NASA/GISS and NOAA.
This is why PIN HEAD IDIOTS like Ron Paul Libertarian, and GOP goons want to defund the DOE... marching orders from the 7 Sister Oil companies no doubt.
The US without the DOE would be a disaster.
The US without the Dept of Education, simply means the the Bush Family would privatize and reinvent Education Tools and Testing until they owned the entire bankroll dedicated to the public education of our nations children.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||09/22/2013|
Oh, r21? It's the first I've heard of it.
It must be the all powerful white line painting cabal keeping us all addicted to those deadly cross walks!
|by Anonymous||reply 24||09/22/2013|
Did she come to the wedding? Did she support you?
|by Anonymous||reply 25||01/11/2014|
Libertarians would stop issuing any marriage certificates wouldn't they R27? Oh no they wouldn't. Just gay ones. FAIL.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||01/11/2014|
Libertarians are idiots. Some are nice and some are evil. But all are intellectually unfinished, immature people.
Those who finally do mature usually face palm and become democrats.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||01/11/2014|
Libertarians hate the poor more than anything.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||01/11/2014|
R9 and R23 have put it best. Libertarianism is a dangerous ideology, but even psychopathic ignoramuses have a right to spew out destructive ideas in a democracy - you know,t he same democracy that they want to destroy to serve their corporate masters... Er, I meant to say "the market".
|by Anonymous||reply 32||01/11/2014|
R2/OP, you realize there are about ten thousand other issues than gay marriage/rights, right?
Libertarians are awful on issues of regulation, social safety nets, economics, monetary policy, and a whole host of other issues.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||01/11/2014|
Libertarian, any color question, answer always 'green'
|by Anonymous||reply 34||01/11/2014|
[quote] They love homeschooling.
I know. When did this start?
All of sudden I'm reading opinion pieces from libertarians about how great home schooling is.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||01/11/2014|
R36... dinging Obama on Gitmo is annoyingly stupid. He's tried MULTIPLE TIMES to close it, and has been blocked at every turn.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||01/11/2014|
R21 traffic lights make traffic go faster. Roundabouts without signals can reduce accidents, but at the cost of slowing everybody down.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||01/11/2014|
Read this article:
How libertarians failed gay rights.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||01/11/2014|
In our country's founding, The anti-federalists were the ancestors of today's libertarians (economically speaking).The federalists were, economically speaking, the liberals and conservatives of today. Although I agree with some social issues according to libertarians, I could NEVER agree with them when it comes to economics and issues like education and the environment.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||01/11/2014|
"almost went to war with Libya"
There is no reasoning with someone who hates a politician for almost doing something (whatever that means) but didn't.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||01/11/2014|
You can have equality where everyone is treated like shit; and equality where everyone is treated well.
Libertarians always support the former solution.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||01/11/2014|
Here's a clue: The Constitution is a strong Federalist document (the non-Federalist document was the Articles of Confederation).
We had this argument. We had a WAR over it.
The Federalists won.
It's time for the other side to stand down. Long past time. And if you can't, leave.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||01/11/2014|
Libertarians are backstabbers!
|by Anonymous||reply 45||01/11/2014|
Is your coworker southern, OP?
Quite a few years ago I found myself travelling through the south in the lead up to the election in 2008. We'd stopped to eat at one of the chain restaurants somewhere in Alabama and were seated next to a group of Ron Paul supporters having a meeting, so of course I eavesdropped.
The group was filled with young people and it quickly became apparent that almost all of them should have been Democrats.
My guess is that in the south, Democrats have been so vilified that some young people don't see supporting them as an option, and "libertarianism" gives them an opportunity to engage with socially liberal issues without bringing down the wrath of their socially conservative parents. But they aren't really libertarians at all.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||01/11/2014|
R44, I concur.It is SO ironic to hear today's libertarians disparage liberals and conservatives for not respecting the constitution, when basically, they are arguing AGAINST a strong constitution and more for states rights (i.e. like the Articles of Confederation).
|by Anonymous||reply 47||01/11/2014|
Stop trying to make libertarians happen.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||01/11/2014|
[quote]We want the government out of this kind of thing entirely - and yeah, I know getting the government out of the marriage is a pipe dream,
It's not just a pipe-dream, it's utterly nonsensical. Marriage is a contract between a couple and the state. The purpose of that is to treat what was once two strangers as the closest of family, for the purposes of the law. How the fuck do you take the government out of that? You can't. It doesn't make any sense to even suggest it. What it does show is a completely thoughtless naiveté and cluelessness... basically parroting something that sounds good without actually THINKING about it or understanding the consequences.
It also bespeaks of confusing a marriage (which is a license, a secular document, that any couple can go down to City Hall and get... well, straight couples anyway), with "weddings", which are the religious ceremony performed in churches.
It doesn't surprise me to hear yet another libertarian with really shallow, un-thought-out, naïve, and ridiculously unworkable ideas and opinions.
It's part of what makes Libertarians so damn tedious to deal with.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||01/11/2014|
And she's deeply ignorant on the issue of economics, and how societies function, R52.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||01/11/2014|
R54, that's disingenuous. You cast aspersions on my reading comprehension when YOU said that you wanted to get "the government out of the marriage".
I'm not the one that confused the two. If you want to be understood, you're going to need to be a lot more clear. You're not against the marriage license at all, and in fact think the state should be fundamentally involved in it... yet that's the exact OPPOSITE of what you said.
At least own your own inability to communicate your thoughts effectively.
I'd have no problem with what you proposed in your clarification. Re-reading your original post, it still something that is ridiculous, and in fact, is the same thing I hear from a LOT of Libertarians.... and conservatives. Basically "Gays want marriage? Well fuck it, let's completely abandon the concept in civilized society so that it's not an issue any more, and just let religion control it all"
|by Anonymous||reply 55||01/11/2014|
Again, I think you're confused. The state DOES regulate Marriage.... because that's what marriage IS. You use extremely confusing and unclear language if what you [italic]mean[/italic] to say is that marriage licenses should be available to any two people who want them. Marriage IS the state... you can't take the state out of Marriage, because that's meaningless. Getting the government out of marriage sounds exactly as stupid as when a tea-bagger says "keep the government out of my medicare!"
You absolutely need to stop phrasing it that way because you're not saying what you mean at all, and what you ARE saying is incredibly stupid and nonsensical.
It's like saying "I want to get all the judges out of our judicial system". Marriage is a contract between a couple and the State. And the State enforces it. How the hell do you take the government out of Marriage and have anything left that means anything at all??
No government involvement means there's no such thing as marriage, just like no government involvement means there's no Medicare, and no judges means there's no judicial system.
Marriage has only EVER been about the state. Even before it was co-opted as a religious sacrament. It's about taxes and property and all that fun stuff... it is now and has always been a legal framework. I know religious people love to claim to own it and love to confuse things, but come on, this isn't rocket science.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||01/11/2014|
Just between the couple? How exactly would that be enforced? To whom would you turn if the terms were not met?
|by Anonymous||reply 59||01/11/2014|
Great, r60. Now try to make an actual contribution to the discussion.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||01/11/2014|
R60, I would expect nothing less from someone who uses the word Democrap.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||01/11/2014|
Libertarians seek freedom, but shirk responsibility.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||01/11/2014|
R39, that "article" is laughably stupid. Did you post it as a joke?
|by Anonymous||reply 64||01/12/2014|
R23, he's also the first to remove women's rights.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||01/12/2014|
No, R65... R63 is absolutely correct.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||01/12/2014|
R59 exhibits the ignorance & cluelessness typical of libertarians. It's called "Magical thinking".
|by Anonymous||reply 69||01/12/2014|
Ron and Rand are homophobes who do not support marriage equality and have said so many times.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||01/12/2014|
The Pauls *are* today's libertarianism. Every fucking libertarian I know has one of those stupid "Ron Paul Revolution" bumper stickers on their cars...
|by Anonymous||reply 72||01/12/2014|
Every single Ron Paul supporter I ever met is a young, uneducated 'liberal' - which usually means they called themselves a democrat until they thought Ron Paul was cooler.
Never met a single Lib who followed them. Get some better friends.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||01/12/2014|
R73, they're all pretty conservative, sorry to burst your bubble. They basically left the Republican party over Dubbya's wars and spending, and became Ron Paul 'libertarians'.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||01/12/2014|
[quote]Libertarians seek freedom, but shirk responsibility.
Precisely and just to put too fine a point on it, they'd rather cut off their own dicks than pay taxes. They're basically useless, selfish shitheads and leeches on the body politic.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||02/16/2014|
"Libertarians" are always the dumbest people in the room, thread, conversation, etc. and, of course, they always fantasize that they're the smartest people anywhere.
You can't invite them to dinner unless they're the only ones coming. If you make the mistake of bringing them to a party, they start their idiotic pontificating and put everyone off. They seem to have no social skills and no insight into just how insane and ignorant they sound to normal people. It's as if they are self-absorbed to such an extreme degree that they actually have no self-awareness whatsoever. It's bizarre.
In any event, you can't take them anywhere. They are impervious to rational argument so they'll never allow any information or perspectives in unless it bolsters what they already believe. They are closed minds inhabiting a closed system. They're like scientologists or moonies that way.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||05/30/2014|
This is the first female libertarian I've ever heard of.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||06/01/2014|
Libertards suck big green donkey cocks here on the DL late at night.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||06/01/2014|
Why are they on the DL at all? They aren't gay, don't gossip, their pointless bitchery just blends in with the rest of their pointless ranting. They have no business here.
Are they like those awful fraufangurls? They were run off of every site that caters to their obsessions so they came here because we're largely un-moderated. We got rid of the Prancing Ponies (eventually) and we'll get rid of the fangurls and the libertardians too (eventually). I forgot the Occupy Datalounge idiots, they have got to go as well.
I hope we have a lot of PrimeTime because most of these cheap, broke assholes won't pay the $18.00.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||06/01/2014|
--Never initiating force. Self-defense ONLY if there is no path to walk away.
--Never lying with the intent to defraud. "Does this dress make me look fat" versus "should we tell the American people that Saddam has WMDs and bombed the WTC"
--Never stealing, or allowing anyone to steal for you. If I can't come to your house and take half your paycheck, then I cannot authorize the government to do it on my behalf.
--Never cheating, by giving someone with a title like "judge" or "officer" or "president" the ability to break the law without consequence.
These 4 things are the essence of libertarianism.
It's so sad that the deluded fucktards here have to twist and lie and misrepresent a philosophy that is so easy to understand.
Plus, when you begin to explore the economic aspects- explained by Menger, Bohm von Bawerk, Mises and Rothbard- the whole system of a morally just, peaceful, productive, cooperative and beautiful way of seeing the world and treating others peacefully and respectfully...well, it's an amazing thing. I'm so glad I rejected the evil socialist/communist Democrats and the Neocon crony capitalist Republicans as a teenager.
If you believe in peace, fairness, prosperity, charity, equality and brotherhood then libertarianism is the ONLY way to achieve it. Every other system ends with a gun in your face and blood on your hands.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||06/19/2014|
Have engaged your co-worker about what they believe?
|by Anonymous||reply 92||06/26/2014|
Have you asked WHY she is libertarian and happy about gay marriage?
|by Anonymous||reply 93||06/26/2014|