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Parent arrested at public meeting for asking an unsubmitted question

The scary thing is that this "common core" curriculum will result in millions of people turning out like that cop, who only have the capacity to blindly follow authority

Notice the guy asking the question never touches the cop yet he's charged with 2nd degree assault of a police officer. Supposedly this guy can get up to 10.5 years!

by Anonymousreply 6210/02/2013

I'm glad I don't have to live that much longer.

by Anonymousreply 109/21/2013


by Anonymousreply 209/21/2013

Is there a video somewhere?

by Anonymousreply 309/21/2013

Yes at the link, R3.

The guy is clearly angry that tax-paying parent questions are being ignored, but he is not at all physically aggressive, but the cop is..

by Anonymousreply 409/21/2013

My mother teaches math at a "common core" school. There have already been a couple of times this year where she's been forced to move on to a new subject even though the majority of kids have clearly not grasped the previous topic.

She has to tutor the kids before and after school (for free, of course, because we can't have teachers being paid to actually help the students) so that they don't fall behind.

It's really sad and frustrating to see an entire generation of kids who are so fucked from such an early age.

by Anonymousreply 509/21/2013

I believe that "assault" is verbal, while "battery" is physical.

by Anonymousreply 609/21/2013

This is just chilling. Really disturbing. I have been uneasy for so long about the way certain things happen, but I had no idea there was a name for it. The Delphi technique.

by Anonymousreply 709/21/2013

My mother just retired from the high school library in my area, which is a TOTAL fucking joke. There are no fucking books!

She told me that she was told to get rid of the entire literature section, which she could not bring herself to do, and she also told me that the students are only allowed to use what look like these brand new 4th grade readers when researching for their "political" debates, and such. The rest of the books are trash fiction not to mention a huge section on sports and a ton of magazines.

She couldn't take it anymore so she retired.

by Anonymousreply 809/21/2013

"Common core" standards are owned and copyrighted by nongovernmental entities unaccountable to parents and students in individual states.

Exclusion of key math concepts is commonplace under Common Core. The Pioneer Institutes examination of Common Core revealed the following deficiencies:

Common Core fails to teach prime factorization and consequently does not include teaching about least common denominators or greatest common factors.

Common Core fails to include conversions among fractions, decimals, and percents, identified as a key skill by the National Council of Teachers of Mathematics.

Common Core de-emphasizes algebraic manipulation, which is a prerequisite for advanced mathematics, and instead effectively redefines algebra as “functional algebra”, which does not prepare students for STEM careers.

Common Core does not require proficiency with addition and subtraction until grade 4, a grade behind the expectations of the high-performing states and our international competitors.

Common Core does not require proficiency with multiplication using the standard algorithm (step-by-step procedure for calculations) until grade 5, a grade behind the expectations of the high-performing states and our international competitors.

Common Core does not require proficiency with division using the standard algorithm until grade 6, a grade behind the expectations of the high-performing states and our international competitors.

Common Core starts teaching decimals only in grade 4, about two years behind the more rigorous state standards, and fails to use money as a natural introduction to this concept.

Common Core fails to teach in K-8 about key geometrical concepts such as the area of a triangle, sum of angles in a triangle, isosceles and equilateral triangles, or constructions with a straightedge and compass that good state standards include.

The standards require the teaching of geometry to follow an experimental method, which has never been used successfully anywhere in the world. And despite the claims made by Common Core advocates, the Common Core standards are not internationally bench-marked.

Common Core excludes certain Algebra II and Geometry content that is currently a prerequisite at almost every four-year state college.

There is no question in my mind that government educational standards like "Common Core" or "No Child Left Behind" or "Race To The Top" are Orwellian double-speak for the real agenda: dumbing down American children even more than they already are, into obedient worker-drones who will all be able to think in the prescribed fashion.

by Anonymousreply 909/21/2013

That's really sad, R8.

The thing that is interesting is that qualified professionals know there is nothing wrong with debate and discussion. The administrators they have there clearly don't have the mental or verbal capacity to field real questions.

This type of thing makes me support Edward Snowden all the more.

by Anonymousreply 1009/21/2013

My understanding of the common core is that it will promote critical thinking much more than in the past, as well as reading and writing. The opposition appears to be the usual anti-Obama coalition of teabaggers and their ilk. As a parent of a first grader in a public school in transition to common core, I' m cautiously optimistic about the new standards.

by Anonymousreply 1109/21/2013

I am a curriculum designer. I've been working on a few common core projects over the last 2 months, and I have to say that they are a lot more rigorous and challenging than stuff I remember at that age.

by Anonymousreply 1209/21/2013

Common Core severely deemphasizes classic literature, which will surely lower critical thinking. That's why my mother was told to get rid of the literature section.

Common Core is promoting greater attention to science and history because they can easily push their agenda by controlling the flow of and access to information...they can easily promote their version of history, their version of science, like, for ex anthropomorphic global warming which is a complete fucking lie that was created to eventually tax us for our carbon footprints, for breathing, and create another trillion dollar exchange.

The newly introduced civics is a joke. It emphasizes and encourages partisanship and that's pretty much it. For example, having the students read up on what Hollywood celebrities have to say about politics, and then categorize them as liberal or conservative.

by Anonymousreply 1309/21/2013

“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”

by Anonymousreply 1409/21/2013

You're welcome!

by Anonymousreply 1509/21/2013

[quote] I'm glad I don't have to live that much longer.

Me too

[quote] My mother teaches math at a "common core" school. There have already been a couple of times this year where she's been forced to move on to a new subject even though the majority of kids have clearly not grasped the previous topic

It's math. If you don't know steps A, B & C, you won't be able to do steps D, E & F. Don't the administrators realize this? Why are public schools using this bullshit curriculum?

by Anonymousreply 1609/21/2013

I'm surprised the cop didn't taser the father

by Anonymousreply 1709/21/2013

I work in education reform and there's a lot of nonsense on this thread.

Like R13 bringing up civics, a topic not covered by the standards.

by Anonymousreply 1809/21/2013

This might be off topic, but I spent a week at a friend's house in NYC and he is a teacher in the system there.

He asked me to figure out for him how many correct answers a student would need to receive an "A" (90%), B, C and so forth-----if the test only had 17 questions.

Strike me down dead if this is not the truth, and he had a MA or MS in Education.

by Anonymousreply 1909/21/2013

R13, so you don't believe humans are causing global warming? Really?

by Anonymousreply 2009/21/2013

Only in America. And you people claim you live in a democratic country.

by Anonymousreply 2109/22/2013

Tea party followers hate Common Core and are spreading a bunch of myths and falsehoods about it. It's the usual anti-Obama crap.

by Anonymousreply 2209/22/2013

Actually, the Common Core math curriculum described by r9 sounds much more comprehensible adn age-appropriate than what I had to slog through in K-12. Not everyone has to become a STEMbot.

by Anonymousreply 2309/22/2013

Sorry for the typo above -- spelling isn't usually my weakness.

by Anonymousreply 2409/22/2013

I agree with r18. Like R11 I am cautiously optimistic about it.

by Anonymousreply 2509/22/2013

R21 has got it right. The people in the US run around screaming about their FREEDOM! But actually, the people of the US are very much, and carefully, controlled.

by Anonymousreply 2609/22/2013

[quote]The Delphi Technique, developed by the RAND Corporation during the 1950s, is simply a method developed for the purpose of maneuvering segments of the public into accepting a predetermined outcome or course of action, while, at the same time, presenting the illusion of participatory democracy. In other words, people are "included" to create a false consensus.

Okay, I find this disturbing if true. It is herding the sheeple. Very Orwellian.

by Anonymousreply 2709/22/2013

R26 I can't imagine anything like that randomly happening in any European country. And if that happened it would be something shocking, not just another day, another arrest, you know, nothing unusual kind of thing.

And before anybody jumps in, no, I don't consider Russia an European country.

by Anonymousreply 2809/22/2013

The Delphi Technique/Method is very real. This goes on everyday around the U.S. All types of public meetings are held not to include the public, but to give the appearance of including the public.

Ask the people who live near the border in Brownville Texas. They advertise these "public" meetings and most of the time, do not let the public in. On the off chance that they do let the public in, the public is not allowed to participate. Some of these American citizens are outside the border fence, sandwiched between Mexico and US. Some of these citizens have contacted DHS and other agencies and they get nowhere. They're told they should feel proud that they're sacrificing for their country.

by Anonymousreply 2909/22/2013

I know we don't live in a democracy. We live in a police state...a country ruled and run by corporations. America needs to wake up to the truth.

by Anonymousreply 3009/22/2013

Help us wake up, R30!

by Anonymousreply 3109/22/2013

People out there in our nation don't have maps and, uh, I believe that our education like such as in South Africa and, uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, or, uh, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future for our children.

by Anonymousreply 3209/22/2013

Why are people always "shocked" at the quality of government schools?

by Anonymousreply 3309/22/2013

Caitlin Upton for President!

by Anonymousreply 3409/22/2013

The dumbing down of America has been in gradual progress for over 100 years thanks to American social engineers who wanted to create a world controlled by behavioral and social scientists.

In 1897, the "Father of American Education," John Dewey wrote his manifesto "My Pedagogic Creed." Then he published "School and Society," in 1899, which set American education on its course.

Using Rockefeller money to establish the Teachers College in New York (1922), their goal was to create a new generation not quite as bright as their parents; and with every succeeding generation, a copy, the actual content of which -- facts, data, objective truth -- faded and became less clear and comprehensible.

It went into full gear during the 1960s and 70s what with the "new math" and "whole language" approach to educating our children.

My grandfather, born in 1898, with an 8th grade education, was better educated than my college educated nieces and nephews today.

by Anonymousreply 3509/23/2013

Charlotte Iserbyt served as Senior Policy Advisor in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement, U.S. Department of Education during the first Reagan Administration, and she tells the story of how she discovered, and eventually blew the whistle on the the major initiative to deliberately dumb down America, in order to mold obedient citizens to be dependent on government and multi-national corporations for survival.

And that Norman Dodd interview is quite illuminating

by Anonymousreply 3609/23/2013


Just stop.

by Anonymousreply 3709/23/2013

Is it true that if you work for Amtrak, they don't take out any money for social security?

by Anonymousreply 3809/23/2013

This guy must have missed the ultimate shutdown, by Councilwoman Jeanne Harris

by Anonymousreply 3909/23/2013

What is that, R39?

by Anonymousreply 4009/25/2013

big fat school administrative personnel

by Anonymousreply 4109/25/2013

**Home of the [bold]FREE and the BRAVE.[/bold]

People in America are [bold]FREE.[/bold] to do anything and the cops are all [bold]Brave.

by Anonymousreply 4209/25/2013

I don't think so, R42.

by Anonymousreply 4309/27/2013

Why is my posted bolded?

by Anonymousreply 4409/27/2013

American arrested by a police officer drunk on power and authority, for asking questions.

And you're still looking down on us?

It appears we're now looking eye-to-eye.

by Anonymousreply 4509/27/2013

[/bold] Okay, I had to put an end to the bold.

by Anonymousreply 4609/28/2013

This is going on EVERYWHERE, ALL THE TIME.

Using the Delphi Technique to Achieve Consensus How it is leading us away from representative government to an illusion of citizen participation

The Delphi Technique and consensus building are both founded in the same principle - the Hegelian dialectic of thesis, antithesis, and synthesis, with synthesis becoming the new thesis. The goal is a continual evolution to "oneness of mind" (consensus means solidarity of belief) -the collective mind, the wholistic society, the wholistic earth, etc. In thesis and antithesis, opinions or views are presented on a subject to establish views and opposing views. In synthesis, opposites are brought together to form the new thesis. All participants in the process are then to accept ownership of the new thesis and support it, changing their views to align with the new thesis. Through a continual process of evolution, "oneness of mind" will supposedly occur. In group settings, the Delphi Technique is an unethical method of achieving consensus on controversial topics. It requires well-trained professionals, known as "facilitators" or "change agents," who deliberately escalate tension among group members, pitting one faction against another to make a preordained viewpoint appear "sensible," while making opposing views appear ridiculous.

In her book Educating for the New World Order, author and educator Beverly Eakman makes numerous references to the need of those in power to preserve the illusion that there is "community participation in decision-making processes, while in fact lay citizens are being squeezed out."

The setting or type of group is immaterial for the success of the technique. The point is that, when people are in groups that tend to share a particular knowledge base, they display certain identifiable characteristics, known as group dynamics, which allows the facilitator to apply the basic strategy.

The facilitators or change agents encourage each person in a group to express concerns about the programs, projects, or policies in question. They listen attentively, elicit input from group members, form "task forces," urge participants to make lists, and in going through these motions, learn about each member of a group. They are trained to identify the "leaders," the "loud mouths," the "weak or non-committal members," and those who are apt to change sides frequently during an argument.

Suddenly, the amiable facilitators become professional agitators and "devil's advocates." Using the "divide and conquer" principle, they manipulate one opinion against another, making those who are out of step appear "ridiculous, unknowledgeable, inarticulate, or dogmatic." They attempt to anger certain participants, thereby accelerating tensions. The facilitators are well trained in psychological manipulation. They are able to predict the reactions of each member in a group. Individuals in opposition to the desired policy or program will be shut out.

The Delphi Technique works. It is very effective with parents, teachers, school children, and community groups. The "targets" rarely, if ever, realize that they are being manipulated. If they do suspect what is happening, they do not know how to end the process. The facilitator seeks to polarize the group in order to become an accepted member of the group and of the process. The desired idea is then placed on the table and individual opinions are sought during discussion. Soon, associates from the divided group begin to adopt the idea as if it were their own, and they pressure the entire group to accept their proposition.

How the Delphi Technique Works

Consistent use of this technique to control public participation in our political system is causing alarm among people who cherish the form of government established by our Founding Fathers. Efforts in education and other areas have brought the emerging picture into focus.

In the not-too-distant past, the city of Spokane, in Washington state, hired a consultant to the tune of $47,000 to facilitate the direction of city government. This development bro

by Anonymousreply 4709/28/2013

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by Anonymousreply 4809/28/2013

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by Anonymousreply 4909/28/2013

Police country.

by Anonymousreply 5009/28/2013

r13 :

As a history teacher, I have to say you couldn't be more wrong about the history part.

We are encouraged to teach students to analyze historical documents (letters, diaries, newspaper articles, books, government papers, treaties, oral histories, etc.) and then write essays on them. We are allowed to choose any specific document we wish, as long as it fits the overall curriculum. If the curriculum says teach the American Civil War, analyzing the Emancipation Proclamation would be important.

by Anonymousreply 5109/28/2013


"My grandfather, born in 1898, with an 8th grade education, was better educated than my college educated nieces and nephews today."

You blockhead. Please tell me how great heart surgery was in 1898. Or electronic communication.

Dear God!

by Anonymousreply 5209/28/2013

Been teaching the new CC this year. New course. It is stupid. THe kids are confused and have no skills. None. It’s like they learned nothing last year-CC for them last year,too. I have to teach hard concepts fast. I don’t have time for practice. I’m forced to teach things out of logical order- I’m teaching them to run before they figured out they have feet.

I feel terrible for my students.

This will not end well.

by Anonymousreply 5309/28/2013

Meh. I'm immediately suspicious of anything ranted and railed against by right wing shit-stains and Libertardian lemmings.

If they're against it, it's probably a good idea.

by Anonymousreply 5409/28/2013

What state are you in, R53?

by Anonymousreply 5509/28/2013

I’m in NY (I’m R53)

by Anonymousreply 5609/28/2013

Math or ELA, R56? This group did NY's math curriculum:

by Anonymousreply 5709/28/2013

They should be tarred and feathered.


by Anonymousreply 5809/29/2013

R52, you're comparing apples and oranges. Just because technology is advancing does not translate to a well educated public.

by Anonymousreply 5910/02/2013

Black people are scary. Never know what will set them off.

by Anonymousreply 6010/02/2013

This suit will be [bold]HUGE[/bold], and it should be!

by Anonymousreply 6110/02/2013

Racist pig @ r60

by Anonymousreply 6210/02/2013
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