Do people know Moscow has gay bars?
I've found in conversations about the anti-gay Russian laws, that a lot of people (talking about gay Americans mostly) are unaware that most major Russian cities in fact have a thriving gay nightlife. They are under the impression that any gay bar would be illegal and their patrons locked up. Not so
The Russian laws are wrong and a sad state of affairs that should be pressured for change.
But, people's misunderstanding of the situation just supports my view that our reaction to Russia--as opposed to anti gay laws in say Cameroon, Nigeria, Uganda, Egypt or etc.--are racially based.
There are many countries in Africa and the Middle East where not only laws, but also persecution and violence, are much much worse. However, Americans and Europeans relate and react more strongly to the situation in Russia because people there are white and look more like 'us.'
|by Anonymous||reply 18||09/04/2013|
i think it's the olympics that's making it a big deal
|by Anonymous||reply 1||09/03/2013|
I think the reaction is more than legitimate. Unlike other countries, Russian is progressing in denying gay rights.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||09/03/2013|
Who's under the impression that there are no gay bars in Moscow?
Quite a nice straw man you made, OP.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||09/03/2013|
[quote]But, people's misunderstanding of the situation just supports my view that our reaction to Russia--as opposed to anti gay laws in say Cameroon, Nigeria, Uganda, Egypt or etc.--are racially based.
Racially based, necessarily, or culturally based?
The United States has much more in common culturally with Russia than it does with the African countries you name.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||09/03/2013|
What does having a thriving gay nightlife have to do with Russia's anti-gay laws and anti-gay culture. OP is dumb.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||09/03/2013|
"..just supports my view that our reaction to Russia--as opposed to anti gay laws in say Cameroon, Nigeria, Uganda, Egypt or etc.--are racially based."
Crazy view and crazy justification. With just a teeny tiny hint of racism.
You must troll here often.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||09/03/2013|
I've spent a few months in Russia. There are a few gay bars, but they're very very hard to find, and are somewhat rundown. The mainstream bars rival anything I've seen in other major cities -- the money they put into them is obscene -- but the few gay bars I saw were tawdry, disgusting, and full of people who look like they were dragged in off the pier. It wasn't a pretty scene at all, and I wasn't made to feel welcome there.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||09/03/2013|
Cameroon is not hosting the Olympics. There is no place for any kind of discrimination at the Olympics. The Olympics need to be held in a civilized enlightened place.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||09/03/2013|
During the worst days of the anti-gay represssion during the 1950s in the USA, there were always gay bars, everywhere -- usually Mafia-run, like the Stonewall Inn, with collusion from corrupt police. They were social clubs, yes, but also retreats where a degree of safety prevailed. Is Moscow any different?
|by Anonymous||reply 10||09/03/2013|
No, basically Moscow, in gay terms, is very similar to the US in the 1950s and just the pre-gay rights period.
it's all part of the human development curve that many lesser developed countries still have to go through. hence things are bad in a place like Russia, but worse in a place like Egypt, then worse in Cameroon, and the worst in places like Malawi.
exceptions are anti-gay places like Jamaica and some West Indies nations that could be considered middle-income, and southeast asian countries like laos or cambodia which are pro-gay and low income
|by Anonymous||reply 11||09/03/2013|
Gay bars - maybe.
Gay Pride Parades? Not on your life.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||09/03/2013|
Yes. A modern city with a population of nearly 12 million (more than New York and Paris combined) would be expected to have a few gay bars, OP. There are even two gay beaches.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||09/03/2013|
R11, I would argue that it would even be more pleasant to be a gay-attracted man in Egypt than Russia.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||09/03/2013|
If you want to know more about the persecution of gays around the world and what populations are causing the most havoc... click on the links to the various countries:
|by Anonymous||reply 15||09/03/2013|
we are aware, @r15, however the olympics are not lending their name the the legitimacy of any of those regimes.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||09/04/2013|
I went to a gay bar in St. Petersburg Russia numerous times back in 04...The entrance resembled a prohibition bar and the door had a small sliding panel to be deemed worthy of entry. The inside was pretty great,although hustlers were rampant and pick pocketing a normal activity. Cash was not exchanged for liquor purchases. A small blue card would be punched with the amount you owed,and as you exited you would pay said amount. Lose the card and you paid a hefty amount. Pretty fascinating. There seemed to be a great amount of shame about the whole situation. I had a ball. The guys were hot.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||09/04/2013|
The Russian word for "gay" is "goluboi" ("light blue"). Go figure.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||09/04/2013|