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Utah Welfare Drug Testing Results Find Only 12 Drug Users at Cost of Over $30,000

Fiscal conservatives have done it again, proving how their values of saving money do exactly the opposite- at least for the tax payers.

Utah’s newest war on the poor has mandated a quiz for all welfare recipients. This quiz determines if the person is likely to use drugs. If they are, then they are required to take a drug test. Even if they test positive, they are not kicked off of the welfare program and instead required to enter substance abuse programs.

To date, Utah has spent over $30,000 (all tax payer funded, remember) to quiz and test these welfare recipients. Was it worth it?

Only twelve people tested positive of the 400+ that were required to test…twelve.

These twelve will be forced to enter the substance abuse center of their choice, which they will also pay for (though the courses have a sliding scale to base upon income, payment is still required).

At what point will Republicans realize that in cases like these, the end does not justify the means? Wasting $30,000 on only twelve people sounds a lot like another Republican farce, and another way for them to wage the war on the poorest in America.

In theory, it sounds like it’s not an awful idea. Louisiana Senator David Vitter (R) said, “With potentially billions of dollars of welfare funds ending up in the wrong places or being spent on illegal drugs, the least we can do is make sure that money is going where it’s actually supposed to.”

Billions of dollars in welfare funds… on twelve people? Sounds a little sensationalized to me. The whole idea of this law is to save people money by not giving welfare to people using it for the wrong things. But when the solution is costing tax payers more than the original problem, it may be time to try something different.

In 2012 Florida had similar results to Utah. Of 4,086 tested, only 100 were positive. This cost tax payers an extra $45,780 and essentially saved them nothing.

Florida was considered the pioneer to this law, and many other states followed suit. Some states that currently have a similar law are: Missouri, West Virginia, Kansas, Kentucky, and Texas. There are also plenty of other states that are considering the legislation or are pending. Some states have in their legislation that random testing may be administered and ability of receiving welfare is based upon the person’s ability to pass or fail the test. The states enacting random testing are, however, facing fire from the American Civil Liberties Union who say that it is a violation of the 4th Amendment’s “unlawful search and seizure” clause.

by Anonymousreply 1608/26/2013

That's because the only real reason for this are the companies that make drug tests wanted to expand their sales. This was an easy bill for their lobbyist to pitch to lawmakers(particular Republicans) because they tell them they can sell it to their base as punishing undeserving welfare recipients.

As with many things with life, it was just about the money.

by Anonymousreply 108/26/2013

Yes, everyone on welfare is on drugs. They also need to be punished and have their voting rights stripped until they get a job, bums.

I love how supposed-libs on here were for this drug testing crap. It's unconstitutional. Meanwhile, they call for food stamps to be used on junk food.

by Anonymousreply 208/26/2013

[quote]I love how supposed-libs on here were for this drug testing crap.

Not a single liberal supported this. The war on the poor is a Republican operation. Stop trying to confuse the issue.

by Anonymousreply 308/26/2013

[quote]In 2012 Florida had similar results to Utah. Of 4,086 tested, only 100 were positive. This cost tax payers an extra $45,780 and essentially saved them nothing.

An extra note on the situation in Florida. The company that did the drug testing and was paid that $45k is owned by the governor's wife. He sold it to her for $1 (you read right: one dollar)right after he won the election.

by Anonymousreply 408/26/2013

R2 You lie.

by Anonymousreply 508/26/2013

[quote]Not a single liberal supported this.

On here, they did.

r5, suck my dick.

by Anonymousreply 608/26/2013

OP, I'm not in favor of drug testing for welfare recipients.

But I hardly think $30,000 is an inordinate amount of money for a program like this, and if $30,000 can actually identify and help rehabilitate 12 people, I don't see it as highly problematic.

I live in New York City where we spend on average $168,000 a year per inmate - PER INMATE, a great many of whom are there on drug charges - in our city jails.

Again let me be clear, I don't agree with this drug testing program, and I don't the comparison of welfare recipients to inmates is one that should be made (I am only making it here to show the great difference in expenditures and because both funding lines are related to the war on drugs) but I don't see how the fact that it was $30,000 - a rather small amount in the scheme of things - is a good argument against it.

by Anonymousreply 708/26/2013

My Facebook is blown up by liberals doing "likes" and "shares" of the welfare drug testing concept.

by Anonymousreply 808/26/2013

Bullshit. This is not and never was a liberal cause. Liberals do not seek to demonize and humiliate poor people.

by Anonymousreply 908/26/2013

Won't this make welfare recipients who dodged the bullet THIS time, even MORE wary next time this surfaces? Might prod them in the right direction.

by Anonymousreply 1008/26/2013

Like Florida, this is just more evidence that it's complete bullshit.

It's a scam by republicans to funnel tax dollars to their buddies who own drug-testing firms.

If you want to drug-test anyone, start with members of Congress, workers on Wall Street, and corporate CEOs and board members.

by Anonymousreply 1108/26/2013

The Utah Quiz:

Are You A Mormon?

Yes; here are your benefits.

No; pee in this cup, Commie.

by Anonymousreply 1208/26/2013

How hard would it be for someone to figure out the "right" answers for that quiz, and avoid testing? Seems pretty simple to me.

by Anonymousreply 1308/26/2013

"and if $30,000 can actually identify and help rehabilitate 12 people, I don't see it as highly problematic"

$30,000 to identify - the users have to pay for their own rehab...

by Anonymousreply 1408/26/2013

The price of chasing black ghosts. Of course, all the GOP wants to do is block from voting anyone not pale and aged. They are RACISTS, every one of them.

by Anonymousreply 1508/26/2013

Seriously? Drug testing in Mormon central? Isn't that like trying to nail Jello to the wall?

by Anonymousreply 1608/26/2013
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