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Gays in hetero relationships

Anecdotally there seem to be lots of gay people in heterosexual relationships. I'm curious about how it works and guessing that some people here are in that situation. Does your partner know? How do you deal with your same-sex attractions? Does it make you feel bad? Why did you do it? Do you identify as bisexual? That kind of thing.

If you know of other people who are like that, I'm interested in the stories as well.

by Anonymousreply 9809/12/2013

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by Anonymousreply 208/23/2013

Many do it to get ahead in their careers.

by Anonymousreply 308/23/2013

there are two heterosexually married dads on my street who i'm sure are both gay, and closeted. they are liberal, well-to-do upper-middle class people. i don't get it at all, but they obviously feel a need to live a heterosexual "traditional" family life. both are great dads, i have to say. one wife is kind of butch and cool, but the other seems very sad. (only one dude has hit on me, but i'm certain of both).

by Anonymousreply 408/23/2013

I work with a guy who socially identifies as straight. He's tried to get me to go out with him for awhile now. He's 39 on his fourth marriage. The current wife was raped as a teenager and has no desire for sex. Their marriage is simply companionship and he swears he can't imagine trying to live with a man in the same way. She's indifferent as to what he does sexually as long is it doesn't become public knowledge.

I've always found him attractive but have never been one that could engage in casual sex.

by Anonymousreply 608/23/2013

yes, r5, but i won't reveal that on a public forum. neither job is the kind of thing where being gay would be an issue. they both work for med/large firms in industries where gays are accepted and hold positions of power.

by Anonymousreply 708/23/2013

My sister brought home her college boyfriend and even the most straight, sheltered, fundamentalist Christian could tell this guy was a total flamer.

They got married and had a baby. Very shortly after the baby came, he announced he was gay and leaving her for his long time boyfriend.

Not one person in our family or group of friends was shocked.....except her! She assumed since they had sex, there was no way he could be gay. Not even with his impeccable wardrobe and whip smart hairstyle and affinity for opera.

by Anonymousreply 808/23/2013

As a gay man, I have had many, many heterosexual relationships. Mostly with other men.

by Anonymousreply 908/23/2013

Men always want it all. They want the wife and the kids plus the boyfriend on the side. Gay or straight or bi, men are greedy.

by Anonymousreply 1008/23/2013

Very true r10.

by Anonymousreply 1108/23/2013

Why are Dataloungers so obsessed with this topic?

by Anonymousreply 1208/23/2013

Does having homosexual desires, even exclusively homosexual desires, mean that you shouldn't have a traditional marriage for any number of reasons, personal and professional? As long as the straight spouse knows the story, I don't see why a gay person can't marry opposite sex.

If the spouse is deceived, it's not fair.

by Anonymousreply 1308/23/2013

Because it's interesting, R12.

by Anonymousreply 1408/23/2013

But I just don't get it. Like many other gay men, I slept with a few girls back in high school. Since I am a homosexual and therefore not attracted to the female anatomy, it was next to zero fun. How can a gay man get hard for a woman repeatedly and constantly for years on end in order to sustain a friggin' marriage? Cialis??

by Anonymousreply 1508/23/2013

R15 A surprising number get off on thinking of themselves as the heterosexual men as they lust after. in other words putting themselves in the place of a hot guy fucking his girl.

by Anonymousreply 1608/23/2013

I recently met two men who are married to women and who have been in a sexual relationship with each other for 24 years. Small town, very visible members of community, lots of children, grand children and relatives around. Everyone seems to be oblivious to their relationship including their wives. They are "best friends" who see each other every day and who claimed to me that they have sex every day. (after 24 years...)

How/why do they do it? These men have constructed lives that give them heterosexual privilege and that, I think, is key to this discussion. They are rabid republicans who recite the invectives of Hannity and Limbaugh as if they were the word of god. They seem to think that they have absolutely nothing in common with the gay community, nor do they have anything resembling a gay identity. As I read in an earlier post, these are men who think they can do whatever they want with impunity, and they do it with a completely clear conscious.

While listening to all of their bilious chatter it occurred to me that I knew enough information to about their lives to completely destroy them. I have not done that, nor would I, but there is some consolation in knowing that I could.

I think that in some ways this represents the difference between gay men and men-who-have-sex-with-men.

by Anonymousreply 1708/23/2013

[quote][R15] A surprising number get off on thinking of themselves as the heterosexual men as they lust after. in other words putting themselves in the place of a hot guy fucking his girl.

I never thought of that. Imagining yourself as the object of your lust must do weird things to your mind.

by Anonymousreply 1808/23/2013

How do you know so much about their lives?

Their attitude is similar to the DL in the black community. As long as they fulfill their obligations to the tribe (marriage, children), what they do on their own time is nobody's business.

by Anonymousreply 1908/23/2013

R17 This is why, even in this day and age, there has to be at least a few gay male celebrities no one has considered. Not everyone is going to "ping".

Or just look at Leo and Clooney.

by Anonymousreply 2008/23/2013

The men that R17 talks about are the reason we can't have nice things. If we had them we could throw them at them and perhaps kill their useless asses.

I'd destroy them, R17. They are not worth covering for.

by Anonymousreply 2108/23/2013

R21=Russian skinhead.

by Anonymousreply 2208/23/2013

These gays of which you speak are in point of fact bisexual.

by Anonymousreply 2308/23/2013

r23 Some of them might be bisexual, but many are in fact completely gay.

by Anonymousreply 2708/23/2013

r24 Not all bisexual men marry women in order to stay closeted or get straight privilege. They marry women because there are more straight women than there are gay or bisexual men.

by Anonymousreply 2808/23/2013

No, they're all bisexual.

by Anonymousreply 2908/23/2013

Oh stop it with the bisexual technicality. MANY gay people enter heterosexual relationships for an array of reasons as wide as your ass and mine put together.

by Anonymousreply 3008/23/2013

[quote]Does having homosexual desires, even exclusively homosexual desires, mean that you shouldn't have a traditional marriage for any number of reasons, personal and professional?

Depends on your tradition -- is it your sociopathy or your pathology?

by Anonymousreply 3108/23/2013

It's the way God intended!

by Anonymousreply 3208/23/2013

Well, that's a compelling argument, R31.

by Anonymousreply 3308/23/2013

okay I'll bite. this is me to a T. married for almost 20 years now. I fool around side and I am not proud of it.

by Anonymousreply 3408/23/2013

and do you identify as gay or bisexual, r34?

by Anonymousreply 3508/24/2013

Marywoman at R34. You should be more ashamed that you don't know to capitalize a word at the beginning of a sentence and to place a comma before the coordinating conjunction.

And, of course, that you read The Datalounge.

by Anonymousreply 3608/24/2013

Does your wife know or suspect, R34?

by Anonymousreply 3708/24/2013

gays deserve SLAP

by Anonymousreply 3808/24/2013

He capitalised the T, R36, give him a break and maybe he's on a mini ipad like me. Quel hassle!

by Anonymousreply 3908/24/2013

Actually, shut the fuck up, R36.

Finally we've someone here with a story to tell and all you can do is attack him over his grammar. Talk about Miss Mary!

by Anonymousreply 4008/24/2013

I know of three men who came out as gay, NOT bisexual, after being married a number of years. One guy had four kids, mostly grown. One guy had three kids, school-age, and the last one had 2 young kids. All three wives had NO idea.

What I want to know is what's with all these kids if they're so gay? To have that many kids, you gotta do it fairly frequently. It's not like women get pregnant the first time they do it.

by Anonymousreply 4108/24/2013

R41 I also know a guy who came out in his late 30's early 40s with 4 kids, three of which were over 18.

In his case it was religion. A Mennonite type sect and was encouraged to marry at a very young age, 16 I think and start breeding.

Oddly enough he's a total bottom...

by Anonymousreply 4208/24/2013

I'm a woman seeing a woman who is married to a man and he knows and doesn't care that we are having sex. He has never asked if he could watch or participate. They have a child together. I've only been seeing her for a few months but so far, it's been very odd. She is REALLY into the sex and has now come out as bi but I am the first and only woman she has been with. She said to me that if every woman slept with a woman, there would be a hell of a lot more lesbians.

It isn't going to last because I want a full relationship and she's made it clear she won't leave her husband, but for now the sex is way hot.

by Anonymousreply 4308/24/2013

A pal of mine (in his mid 60's), just left his wife. She had no idea. His adult children were shocked as well. He said he could no longer live a lie. His wife was very hurt with his truth. They all still get together as a family for the holidays, etc. He's finally living the life he always desired.

by Anonymousreply 4408/24/2013

R43,

But how did it start?

Was this an internet hookup or did you know her from your work life?

by Anonymousreply 4508/24/2013

I often wonder if there's a separation or difference with emotional/romantic attraction and sexual attraction in some of these cases which could explain some of it e.g. being sexually into the same sex but emotionally/romantically into the opposite sex.

by Anonymousreply 4708/24/2013

Nice humblebrag there R43.

by Anonymousreply 4908/24/2013

Of course there are closeted gay men who are married to women but that doesn't necessarily mean that bisexuality is a myth where others who identify as such are concerned.

by Anonymousreply 5008/24/2013

[quote] Imagining yourself as the object of your lust must do weird things to your mind.

I saw my butt hole in mirror recently and desperately wanted to fuck it. Very weird feeling, especially since I'm a bottom.

by Anonymousreply 5108/24/2013

I have a friend who is such a great guy; however, everyone who meets him is convinced he's gay. He's married with kids, but the guy is flaming...and Conservative?

by Anonymousreply 5208/24/2013

[quote]gays deserve SLAP[/quote]

On datalounge *again* Vladimir?

by Anonymousreply 5308/24/2013

It sure is, R33 . Project much, poopsie?

by Anonymousreply 5508/24/2013

Do you have kids, R34?

by Anonymousreply 5608/24/2013

I'll admit that the trolls do suck the fun out of this place. An ignore feature would be great but I suppose prime-time is used to get rid of the trolls. Anyway, just ignore them. Many of us are interested in your story and it's relevant to the subject of the thread. Just ignore them and share your thoughts.

by Anonymousreply 5808/24/2013

40% of all feminine lesbians will marry a man because it's easier

by Anonymousreply 5908/24/2013

R57, did you get married for religious reasons or your career? What were you reasons?

by Anonymousreply 6008/24/2013

R54, he sounds like an idiot. He should just whack off. And he's not straight.

by Anonymousreply 6108/24/2013

R61 why whack off?

He wants to get sucked, guys want to suck him. Why should he waste it.

by Anonymousreply 6208/25/2013

Because he's a big controlling prisspot who doesn't deserve to get good head which he wouldn't appreciate anyway, R62.

by Anonymousreply 6308/25/2013

R63 you sound crazy...how the fuck do you get in the head of a stranger to know what they do or don't appreciate...stop projecting.

by Anonymousreply 6408/25/2013

Oh for God's sake, r65, I hope you're joking.

by Anonymousreply 6608/25/2013

Well many people believe men give better head. They know better how to get another man off, knowing both sides of the equation since they've been sucked off too. Sounds believable to me, also larger mouths probably help. I know it plays into a gay fantasies about straight men, rough trade, but it seems believable enough to me. And there's also prison sex to consider, I do think that the tops in prison really are often frustrated straight men making do. So has a straight man ever enjoyed being sucked off by an expert gay cocksucker? It has definitely happened.

by Anonymousreply 6708/25/2013

It's probably harder to find casual bjs or sex from women than from men as well. A lot of straight men have to pay escorts.

by Anonymousreply 6808/25/2013

>>>>>>. I truly do love her and sex with her (although not as good now) is fantastic

So if sex is still 'fantastic' although not as good as before, how was it before?

Also, more than sex, you seem to like shooting the shit with gay men on DL. So clearly you identify with gay more than just sexually.

Doesn't your wife notice your eyes wandering when you go out & about?

That's what I notice about closeted married men, they can't help checking out other men.

by Anonymousreply 7108/26/2013

A Kinsey 3?

by Anonymousreply 7308/26/2013

Please, guys that are straight cheat on their wives plenty also R75. Being monogamous is hard, really hard.

It is not surprising that of course you fantasize more about men as that is the most obvious thing you don't have by being monogamous, but regardless the same underlying temptation would be there.

by Anonymousreply 7608/26/2013

The sad truth is gays in hetero relationships are the majority of gays even today and unfortunately I think it will always be this way.

by Anonymousreply 7708/26/2013

r77, sadly you are right :(

by Anonymousreply 7808/26/2013

Then out them. I bet they have a facebook page or a linkedin...or maybe even a twitter if they have a 14 year old girl mentality.

by Anonymousreply 7908/26/2013

r77, is correct. That is the biggest reason why most gay men are single and never will be in truly longterm relationships with a man. More gay/bi men are married to women by far than are married or partnered with other men.

by Anonymousreply 8008/26/2013

r80, same for most gay women

by Anonymousreply 8108/26/2013

[quote]More gay/bi men are married to women by far than are married or partnered with other men.

[quote]same for most gay women

I think the right wingers know if attitudes about gays chill there will be more out gay people and that scares them.

by Anonymousreply 8208/26/2013

Well aren't attitudes about gays getting better? It's happening right in front of our eyes, and always faster than we think it will too. That's been the pattern lately.

by Anonymousreply 8308/26/2013

R77, R78, R80: how about some proof for your claims? Your personal experience magnified into "truth"?

by Anonymousreply 8408/27/2013

I always feel for the clueless spouse. How can you lie and build a life with someone who loves you enough to commit to you for life?

It seems so selfish and hurtful to do to someone.

by Anonymousreply 8509/08/2013

"I think the right wingers know if attitudes about gays chill there will be more out gay people and that scares them."

That is true, but also when more gay people who do conform to gender norms come out it will make a big difference. Come on out masculine men and feminine women

by Anonymousreply 8609/08/2013

[quote] proof for your claims

We're talking about relationships and identities that are, by their nature, secretive. It would be impossible to prove--or disprove, for that matter--how many people in hetero relationships experience same-sex attractions.

However, I, like other posters here, suspect that out-gays represent the tip of an iceberg, so to speak. I suspect everyone experiences SOME form of same-sex attraction at some point in their lives, even if it's just once or fleeting, and that many people experience it quite often. And I suspect there are a lot of people who experience it all the time and pretend otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 8709/08/2013

r87, yep!

by Anonymousreply 8809/08/2013

R8 And none of you tried to tell her? What a caring family, letting your sister end up as a single parent.

by Anonymousreply 8909/08/2013

A question about closeted gays, the ones who suddenly "realise" they are gay well into adulthood, how does this happen? How have they not noticed they prefer their own sex?

by Anonymousreply 9009/08/2013

All suspicions are dubious at best.

by Anonymousreply 9109/08/2013

R8 here - we questioned her a lot about what she loves and sees in him. He came from a very devout born-again family and she really loved him.

I would never question my sister's life choices if she's happy. I don't think bringing it up to her would've changed her decision to marry him and could've caused a long term awkwardness that would be devastating to the family.

My niece is delightful, by the way. Her father shares custody and while he's an angry man, he's a good dad.

by Anonymousreply 9209/09/2013

R92 All right, I apologise. It just sounded like you all saw what was coming and said nothing.

by Anonymousreply 9309/11/2013

I can understand why some gay men end up marrying the opposite sex, even when religion isn't a factor.

Let's face it: a lot of gay men scoff at and feel offended by closeted guys, but at the same time you hear those very same men make coldhearted statements about how gross men over 30-35 are and how they don't want anything to do with them. Also middle aged gay men are often unwanted by men from their own age group as well...

The message is: please come out of the closet if you're young and pretty, but go back in or crawl under the carpet and die once you're over the hill.

Most men ( gay or straight) can't handle a solitary middle-and old age, they're are afraid to die alone and unwanted; they see the straight-married-with-kids option as a safety net.

by Anonymousreply 9409/11/2013

It happens a lot in Fort Collins.

by Anonymousreply 9509/11/2013

Sorry to be so late with this reply, but R94 is either a sheltered gayby under the age of 30 (terrified at the prospect of aging), or a flyover frau opining on the tragic existence of "the gays". To infer that a closeted life is in any way preferable to life as a gay man over the age of 30-35 is just pure horseshit.

Sometimes the level of pure narcissism on these boards is really depressing.

by Anonymousreply 9609/12/2013

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by Anonymousreply 9709/12/2013

Let me guess, R97, you are a flyover frau killing time until AC360 begins.

Either that, or you're a fat queen under 35 clinging to the hope that you can starve that weight off starting tomorrow.

by Anonymousreply 9809/12/2013
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