Just saw Elysium
Anyone else see it and want to discuss it? (Spoilers inside okay)
I thought it was pretty entertaining and I appreciate that this is more or less a 99%er movie though I wish there had been more nuance.
Visually it's the most interesting movie of the summer, to the point where everything looks real as opposed to glaringly CGI.
DL Icons Matt Damon was mostly okay and despite being top billed, Jodie Foster is in it for like 10 minutes- though I thought she was amusing.
One detail I loved was that the destitute of Earth speak English and Spanish and the rich in Elysium speak French and English.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||08/18/2013|
I think I'll go see it tomorrow afternoon.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||08/10/2013|
I enjoyed it. It was worth the price of admission, but it felt uninspired compared to District Nine. I always thought the message was very heavy handed.
I liked Jodie. Her character was paper thin but that's because she was a red herring. Sharlto Copley was excellent. I still don't understand why they cast lily-white, blue-eyed Matt Damon to play a character that was clearly supposed to be latino.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||08/10/2013|
When I first saw the trailer, I didn't recognise Foster. Surprised at how old and frowney she appeared. Last saw her in The Brave One, where she looked great. It's good that she isn't all plasticy and botoxed but she looks a little older than her years.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||08/10/2013|
Does Matt Damon show his ass?
|by Anonymous||reply 5||08/10/2013|
It was fun enough, unfortunately a disappointing ending that doesn't really make much sense. Overall I liked the idea of the movie but I wish the execution was better realized.
Jodie Foster was hammy, I normally like her but not in this role. What was with her accent?
[quote]I still don't understand why they cast lily-white, blue-eyed Matt Damon to play a character that was clearly supposed to be latino
You think Hollywood would cast a nonwhite actor to lead this 100 million dollar investment? What fantasy world do you live in?
In their defense, there are latinos are lily-white of course, but the real reason is obvious.
And no ass shot, though he does open the movie with a nice shirtless shot.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||08/10/2013|
R6, DL is full of people who have fantastical notions of how Hollywood movies are cast. They don't understand why an unknown actor wouldn't be cast to headline a summer blockbuster, or why Meryl Streep was cast in Doubt instead of Cherry Jones, who OWNED the role onstage.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||08/10/2013|
This was movie just meh for me.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||08/10/2013|
Learn to write r9 before posting dumb statements.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||08/10/2013|
[quote]Does Matt Damon show his ass?
Nope, but to the lesbians on DL, there is a close up of Jodie's ass (guess the director is an ass man) which is surprisingly fantastic and my god, her calf muscles should get a special award.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||08/10/2013|
DISTRICT 9 was so inspired, so genius, that I guess a sophomore slump is inevitable.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||08/10/2013|
I loved 'District 9.' But this movie,'Elysium,' devolved into a video game - machine/human vs more machines/humans.
If you're the kind of person who likes character development, stories, interesting point of view - then you can just forget this one.
(Love Jason Bourne, Love Matt D. Love Jodi, William Fichtner, but jeeeezzzziisss this was a bore.)
|by Anonymous||reply 13||08/10/2013|
R3, I pretty much agree with you. The director went on and on about how he didn't want to be political and he's not a political guy, but this movie betrays that. I love movies with some kind of message but I wish he'd rounded out the Elysians a little more. Jodie and William Fichtner were just weirdo, cartoon villains. Interestingly, their diction/accents are kind of cut from the same cloth. A result of living in an Elysian bubble, perhaps?
Still for the flaws it had, the movie had more meat than most blockbusters.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||08/10/2013|
So how does it end? I have no plans to see this movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||08/10/2013|
This movie is terrible and no Matt Damon ass.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||08/10/2013|
Oh by the way, the right wingers are furious about this movie. You know, blah, blah, socialism, blah, blah, universal health care, blah, blah, Hollywood liberals and hypocrites, etc.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||08/10/2013|
The accents were so distracting. I missed very second word both Spider and that South African said. And WTF on Jodie's--was that space Franglish?
|by Anonymous||reply 19||08/10/2013|
What I really hated about this movie was that everyone on a very overcrowded earth was sweaty and skanky and all the men wore sleeveless t-shirts (armpit scenes).
On Elysium the people had airconditioning and dressed nicely. Unfortunately, at the end, the sweaty earth inhabitants win.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||08/10/2013|
[quote] What was with her accent?
It was an Elysian accent, OK?
|by Anonymous||reply 22||08/10/2013|
William Fichtner's Carlyle from Elysium had a similar thing going on with his voice/and diction.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||08/10/2013|
"DL is full of people who have fantastical notions of how Hollywood movies are cast. They don't understand why an unknown actor wouldn't be cast to headline a summer blockbuster"
Both R6 and R7 miss the point completely.
Matt Damon is completely miscast - Channing Tatum or Mark Wahlberg would have been perfect in the role - Ivy League dropout Matt Damon comes across as someone who would be a citizen of Elysium NOT of dusty old earth. His limitations as an actor came across in this film in a big way.
The AMC Times Square theater featured it in their largest theater which had a 5 minute commercial for the new Dolby sound technology, yet I too found every other word of the aforementioned characters incomprehensible.
The sick child plot shoehorned into the film was beyond absurd. It made for a very routine, uninspired finale.
By the way, the AMC theater I saw it in at 12pm today was nearly empty.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||08/10/2013|
I liked it. Once I got over white boy Matt as an orphan at a Spanish orphanage it was fine. Loved the fact that all the name actors/characters died in the movie. I also thought the multicultural casting was appropriate. I had no problem understanding the accents. I'll be looking up the imdb of the actor who played Spider.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||08/10/2013|
It's Brazilian Wagner Moura R25. Watch Elite Squad (if you want).
|by Anonymous||reply 26||08/10/2013|
I thought the film was terrific and much, much better than I expected. I was happy to read today that a lot of the professional film reviewers have agreed with me. A couple, not so much.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||08/10/2013|
The reviews all state that the ending is really really schlecht.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||08/10/2013|
I find it really funny when Jodie's fans say that Jodie is picky about the films she's in.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||08/10/2013|
R27, the reviews are abysmal. Damon's career is over and two studies have paid kill fees to drop Foster from upcoming films.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||08/10/2013|
[quote]Damon's career is over and two studies have paid kill fees to drop Foster from upcoming films.
I think Damon can have a come back if he does another Bourne film.
Where did you hear about the two studios dropping Foster from projects?
|by Anonymous||reply 31||08/10/2013|
Are you high R30? Reviews are okay but all of them say they're disappointed that it's no District 9.
R29, well you may find it funny but it's true. I'm not a huge fan, but I admire she's no Julianne Moore who says yes to every offer (and frequently takes Jodie's sloppy seconds, if I may add).
I do know she only agreed to accept this nothing part because of Neill Blomkamp as D9 was her favorite film of the last few years.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||08/10/2013|
Uh, he's full of shit R31.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||08/10/2013|
Thanks R26, I will check it out. Moura will be playing Fellini in an upcoming film, that's very cool.
What's the problem with the ending besides it being utopian? The heroes are the self sacrificers like Diego Luna for his friend and Damon for society.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||08/10/2013|
[quote]I do know she only agreed to accept this nothing part because of Neill Blomkamp as D9 was her favorite film of the last few years.
It does sound like a nothing part in a poorly scripted film, so she is not all that picky.
Julianne Moore must have big bills to pay or just loves acting.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||08/10/2013|
Sounds like the problem is that reviewers expected another D9. The comparisons are killing the fun of Elysium. It's not D9 but it has it's own merits.
As an old time ATWT fan I love watching where William F takes his career. IMO both he and Foster do interesting things in the minimal screen time they are given and both are rocking hot bodies for middle agers.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||08/10/2013|
I loved it. Thought it was very well done, smart, believable and quite well cast. Jodie's body is ROCKIN' and I loved her short platinum 'do, but her face wasn't looking good. I was surprised at how old she looked. Time for work!
|by Anonymous||reply 37||08/10/2013|
[quote]I still don't understand why they cast lily-white, blue-eyed Matt Damon to play a character that was clearly supposed to be latino.
Lots of posters in this thread missing the point. His character wasn't Latino; L.A. had so many Latinos by the mid-22nd century that Spanish had become the common language.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||08/10/2013|
Or to explain it another way, by the mid-22nd century everyone stuck on Earth in L.A. had assimilated to the dominant Latino culture.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||08/10/2013|
This movie was a snooze feet . Matt Damon was completely flat in this. The supporting characters on Earth are completely uninteresting, especially the childhood orphan friend played by Sonia Bragas niece, Alice Braga. She and Matt drag the film down heavily. The actor for district 9 was unintelligible and I agree with all the posters who mentioned the dialogue being difficult to decipher .
Bad dubbing or what I don't know .
They should have spent more time with the Elysium characters and not Damon- Braga and her sick kid
The whole movie was dull.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||08/10/2013|
Box office bomb. No one is seeing this except a very few.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||08/10/2013|
Holy fucking shit, what a steaming pile of dog shit! Boring and ridiculous.
Jodie Foster was the spitting image of Meredith Baxter in this movie!
|by Anonymous||reply 43||08/10/2013|
Nice to know hundreds of years from now there will still have prison tattoos ..
Why was the main bad guy dressed like a homeless person?
Jodie's role was senseless...
|by Anonymous||reply 44||08/10/2013|
I wish they had spent more time showing life on Elysium. The kiddie storyline was nothing new. How will thy maintain Elysium if its open to all? Over time it will become as run down and overpopulated as earth.i saw the movie in the Bay Area. It was packed and people clapped at the end. I love sci-fi but this could have been a lot better.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||08/10/2013|
Quite a few of the big bix office analysis sites are referring to the the "Foster Factor" damning this movie to flopping. Doesn't seem fair and seems to be pretty transparently orchestrated. Cui bono from Foster's career being ended so definitively?
|by Anonymous||reply 46||08/10/2013|
Matt Damon was playing the last white guy on Earth.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||08/11/2013|
[quote]I always thought the message was very heavy handed.
What message? I just saw it and didn't see any message.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||08/11/2013|
By the way, Sony has much to fear if this film really tanks.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||08/11/2013|
Still, it was good to see Diego Luna in a film again.
Regarding Sonia Braga's niece, based on her performance before I saw the end credits I knew she was either related to someone or someone's mistress or BOTH. She and her one-note face were indeed that bad.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||08/11/2013|
That's insane R46. It's hardly a flop though it's not the $35 million they were hoping for, it's still not a bad number just a so-so one.
And blaming Foster is also nuts. Most critics have been soft about the movie and the haters have been very vocal.
In the end opening weekends are always about the marketing.
This reminds me of Aniston's situation. Whenever she has a flop, it's all her fault no matter who her co-star is in. When she has a hit, people give all the credit to her co-star in this case Jason whatshisname. That's insanity do most people know who that guy even is?
|by Anonymous||reply 52||08/11/2013|
[quote] Channing Tatum or Mark Wahlberg would have been perfect in the role
Words no one has ever said.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||08/11/2013|
So Republicans got their wish: two liberal movies flopped in the last month.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||08/11/2013|
Why R53? - their films perform better at the box office than smug Matt Damon's endless non-Bourne flops.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||08/11/2013|
I'm not a huge Damon fan, but are you trying to be funny R55?
Channing tatum was in a notorious flop just a few weeks ago. Remember white house down? No probably not, that's how forgettable it was. And Waghlberg flooped in May with Pain and Gain. Even 2 Guns with Denzel opened soft and had a steep drop to this week. That movie may not break even.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||08/11/2013|
R47, only freeper morons link to, quote, or read the brietbart.com site. Go to fucking hell, and go away. Ugh.
Posting a link to brietbart or freerepublic should be grounds for banning.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||08/11/2013|
I thought it was only okay. It seemed both ham-fisted and a movie that pulled its punches. The shaky-cam got to me a few times. The plot was mostly predictable, and relied on some really unbelievable coincidences. There was a much better movie in there somewhere, but I can't quite tease it out.
Still, not bad. The visuals were spectacular. Amazing effects. Some good ideas. Some interesting things to think about. Some good action set-pieces.
But a little too much slow-mo, a little too "hey, this is a dramatic scene!" editing and music, a little too predictable.
It's worth a matinee, but not full price. Which is, yes, a disappointment.
Hard to believe the evil psychotic bad-guy was the same actor who played the mousey bureaucrat main character in District 9.
Count me as another one who had zero problems understanding what any character said, as well. I have no idea what some of you are babbling on about.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||08/11/2013|
I couldn't believe they used slo mo like it was some 80s Van Damme action movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||08/11/2013|
So, I had to see it again today because the friends I was with wanted to see it.
I ended up focusing more on the details and honestly, it needed more Elysium and more billionaires.
The Secretary of Defense's control room was kind of amazing. I love that Elysium was about to get boarded by "illegals" and she's just sitting there having an espresso as she orders their deaths. And I love the CEO of Armadyne, demanding that factory worker not to breathe on him.
Everyone else except for Krueger (who gets tiresome by the end) is just a bore. Those stupid flashbacks to Max and Frey's childhoood were awful.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||08/11/2013|
Agree 100% on the stupid flashbacks and more screen time on Elysium and its rich inhabitants.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||08/11/2013|
"I'm not a huge Damon fan, but are you trying to be funny"
R56 (r62,etc.) you many posts on this thread make you the expert. Who could you have seen cast in the role other than Damon?
|by Anonymous||reply 63||08/11/2013|
Hi R63, sorry of too many annoying posts... im def no expert ...don't know if it was Matt Damon or the character that made watching so uninspiring. To answer your question hmm maybe Joseph Gordon-leavitt?
I think my expectations were too high after loving Distric 9 so much .
|by Anonymous||reply 64||08/11/2013|
Sharlto Copley was horrendous. I hate cartoonishly bad movie characters (and Willian Fichtner did his 1000th turn as one too). Overall, the movie was shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||08/11/2013|
It's derivative of Metropolis, isn't it?
|by Anonymous||reply 66||08/11/2013|
R63, I honestly think having recognizable faces - Damon, Foster, kind of hurt the movie. Yes I know it wouldn't have gotten made without movie stars, but I could not forget it was them. I generally have that problem with futuristic movies though. Even though Prometheus sucked (and Elysium is better than that movie) I appreciated that most of that cast was fairly unknown.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||08/12/2013|
I sort of agree with R67 here.
I also think this would have been better as a mini-series. This needed a bit more "world-building", including a greater explanation of life on Elysium and its political situation.
Crammed into 2 hours, everything was too 'pat', or too 'magic'.
One huge plot hole/issue is how it's possible to do massive brain surgery and exo-skeletal augmentation to Matt Damon's character and have him up and about and fighting after only a day (in spite of massive radiation poisoning that will kill him in five days), yet they don't have any medical facilities to cure even simple things. And those "magic pills" that will "restore full function until you die" were really silly.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||08/12/2013|
Saw it tonight. Unbelievably bad. The story had promise, but the heavy-handed metaphors, the ridiculous plot holes (why would people need to lock their doors on Elysium?) and the eye-rollingly silly third act killed that promise.
Was District 9 as badly directed as this? Blomkamp doesn't know how to do action -- the shaky-cam and chainsaw editing made the film an unwatchable blur most of the team -- and he's clearly inept when it comes to directing actors -- Jodie Foster, Sharlto Copley and Wagner Moura compete to see who can chew the most scenery with their paper-thin characters, and Copley wins -- or loses, as it were.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||08/13/2013|
OH, listen to old R69 Mr. SmartyPants. Someone should piss on his front lawn.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||08/13/2013|
I don't get the comparisons to District 9. Elysium is nothing like District 9. I smell publicist hype trying to ride the coat tails of a popular film. The producers were probably in a panic when Elysium didn't test well.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||08/13/2013|
Of course this film is going to be compared to the great District 9. They both have the same director...
|by Anonymous||reply 72||08/14/2013|
Here's what Elysium did wrong -- and what it did right:
|by Anonymous||reply 73||08/14/2013|
I also wanted to see more of life on Elysium, and what their society was like. That was really a wasted opportunity on the filmakers' part. I was more interested in the awful, selfish rich people than the poor slobs on Earth.
The visuals were stunning.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||08/14/2013|
r73, I agree with much of what the writer at the link says. I was particularly frustrated with the final act, where Kruger kills Delacourt and fights to the death with Max -- it's not just that Kruger's sudden transformation from psychotic mercenary to aspiring dictator doesn't make much sense, it's the fact that Delacourt has been set up as the primary villain, not Kruger, and so you want to see Max confront Delacourt, not Kruger. Having Kruger kill Delacourt cheats the audience of a desired confrontation.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||08/14/2013|
R25 - The actor who played Spider is Wagner Moura. He is brazilian and his performances are really brilliants. Elite Squad and Elite Squad 2 ("Tropa de Elite 2 - O Inimigo Agora é Outro" original title) are amazing and prizewinner films it worth watching. Both were directed by José Padilha which presently is directing the remake of Robocop.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||08/14/2013|
LOVED the robot special effects (what Blomkamp really specializes in) and almost felt the movie was worth it alone for the effects. But I agree the story really suffered for the lack of exposition about Elysium itself.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||08/14/2013|
I thought Frey and her daughter were totally unneccessary to the story and took time away from what could have been more of an exploration of Elysium itself.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||08/14/2013|
Doesn't Matt know we must see his ass?
|by Anonymous||reply 79||08/14/2013|
Just saw the movie two days ago, and thought it was just average as well. It was a little too heavy handed with the political message of universal health care and 99% vs. 1%.
Also, even though this is a sci-fi film, I still found some parts a little hard to believe. A code that can reboot the entire Elysium written by some robot manager guy in a few days? Med-bays that can cure ALL diseases in 30 seconds? Facial reconstruction in 30 seconds? It seems they have med-beds everywhere - why wouldn't they just appease the masses with some of them? It felt like the conflict was so easily solved (send some med-bays to Earth) that would have cost the Elysium people so little. Which made it seem like the huge fights were not really worth it, if all Elysium needed to do was send some med bays to Earth once in a while.
I would have loved to see more Jodie Foster, but her character was really one-dimensional - she just played the cold bitch that gets killed. Her accent was a little ridiculous too, given that NOBODY else had the same accent. Would have loved more Jodie vs. Matt Damon action.
I did like the visual effects/robots/fighting tho!
Disclaimer: I'm definitely not a movie buff, I usually enjoy movies for fun and not as an intellectual exercise. Just my thoughts about some things that for some reason I really couldn't get over, love to hear what other people think too.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||08/18/2013|
[quote]It seems they have med-beds everywhere - why wouldn't they just appease the masses with some of them?
My theory about that was since the elite on Elysium hated the riffraff on Earth, they didn't want them to live any longer than necessary. Basically, keeping the med-beds away from Earth was a way to get the hated population of poor people to die off quicker. "Thinning the herd" and all that.
That's just my interpretation, anyway.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||08/18/2013|
average movie at best. Like a Kanye West album.
Good...could be much better, had SO much potential, but ended up falling flat.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||08/18/2013|