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RIP "White Collar"

After scuttling the show's fifth season from summer to fall, USA now announcing they are trimming their order from 16 episodes to 13 episodes.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 6402/11/2014

Poor Matt. No more Birds Eye for him. Gotta go with the cheaper store brand.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 108/01/2013

The only reason anyone watches this program is to marvel at Matt's beauty. They may as well just have him parade to and fro in suits and more revealing clothing. No plot is necessary. The ratings would increase dramatically.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 308/01/2013

Is Matt going to fade into obscurity after the show ends?

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 408/01/2013

Agree with R3.

And re. trimming the order, it might not just be a problem with the show for USA. Jeff Eastin has a new show he's producing at the same time (Graceland) and Matt wants to get free of WC asap this season so he can finish filming The Normal Heart.

Whatever, I think fewer episodes will make for a better season overall. There've been plenty of shitty filler eps the past couple of seasons.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 508/01/2013

I might have been to cut costs. Salaries go up, when a show ages.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 608/01/2013

‏@TedOnTV To produce the best season of White Collar USA will do 13 eps this season only, so the showrunner’s sked can accommodate both WC & Graceland

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 708/01/2013

They're putting it out to pasture. First the fall move, then they announced they would air it without a hiatus, and now the shortened season.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 808/01/2013

I agree. I only watched cause of Matt, then I thought it was actually okay but then it got soo cheesy and mumsy with the stans emasculating Neal by bugging Jeff on twitter to let him play nicey with the Burkes. Plus they drummed up the bro-may to december-mance off camera and it just became even harder for those stans to let it go!

By the time they tried to bring it back, I'd left.

Matt really tried but the amount of people who tried to tune in because of him but were like 'wooah, is this show for house wives or something?' was deafening.

I actually feel it ruined all the people on that show who are all amazing actors in their own right.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 908/01/2013

Five seasons is a long time.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 1008/01/2013

Isn't it rare for a USA show to last over 5 seasons?

In any case, Matt will be fine.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 1108/01/2013

R11 - It's rare for any show to last five seasons. It happens, but five seasons is long in the tooth.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 1208/01/2013

OP is a shit-stirring moron, not the least because he misused the word scuttle, which means to run or move about with short hasty steps; an alternative meaning is to give up (hopes, plans, etc.)

If they canceled the series then they would have scuttled it. By moving it, perhaps they shuttled it, but shuttle usually involves to-and-fro.

Either way, they have already aired 62 hour-long episodes, and the order for 13 more will bring it to 75 total. Not too shabby.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 1308/01/2013

Moving shows around can be a bad sign. But more people watch TV in the fall than summer.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 1408/02/2013

Psych and Burn Notice are past five seasons. In Plain Sight lasted five seasons. Covert Affairs is in its fourth season and will probably get a fifth. The one about the concierge doctor might be in its fifth season or it's close. It actually doesn't seem so rare for USA or any station.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 1508/02/2013

Cable shows tend to air in the summer so they won't have to compete with original network programming. "White Collar" gets decent ratings in the summer but does poorly when it airs its winter episodes against the network shows. So moving the entire season to fall is pretty much the cable equivalent of "moving it to Saturday."

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 1608/02/2013

They wanted to put 'Graceland', Eastin's new show, in the summer line-up in the place of 'White Collar'. I'm assuming they expected/hoped it would do as well as 'White Collar' did in its first few seasons, so that it could take over from the much older WC. It wouldn't be realistic for Eastin to show run TWO shows at the same time in the long term, anyway. Graceland's ratings have ended up only being so-so, but USA couldn't have known that when they made the decision.

I'm also going to assume another couple of things: (i) WC was getting more and more expensive as it got older (as all shows do), and USA wanted to phase it out and replace it with a younger, cheaper model, and (ii) Bomer was only going to get more and more expensive, and possibly his camp had indicated he'd be happy for S5 to be the last season. If I were his representation, I'd definitely be looking to push him for bigger and better things without the noose of his commitment to a cable show hanging around his neck.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 1708/02/2013

r17

Agree. Your post makes sense and isn't personal.

5 seasons is very good for something that isn't THAT amazing. Halls has exhausted his PR for WC and without it looking really obv it's because his partner is in the show, if he did more spin for WC when it's ratings have been not so great and worse then say Suits....people would really talk.

In fact stans/fans from other shows already complained about the amount of favoritism that WC got at Upfronts on USA promo or in the media. Luckily Bomer was also blowing up-which was the 'cough' point of the exercise-so this smoothed things a little as people had to concede with the fact that it makes sense as Bomer is popular.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 1808/02/2013

USA has its own marketing and publicity department. Halls may do some PR work for them but he'd have little to no influence with how much the show itself is marketed.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 1908/02/2013

I stopped watching the show sometime in season 2. I could not watch the show on TV and USA stopped airing episodes online. What ever happened with that damn music box?

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 2008/02/2013

r19

Thats not true. Whenever they are marketed, it says 'Slate PR'. Every press release they send, says contact Slate PR for more info. Every Upfronts they do is managed by Slate.

I mentioned media didn't I? Which is Slate. Now in terms of bulk marketing like how it looks, the design, the target demo etc (which is what marketing is), then of course USA deal with that. Which is what every big company I worked with did, 101 business.

You outsource the publicity.

But you also reminded me that he has worked with them for such a long time and is also good friends with the people at USA...didn't they get awarded something at some GLAAD award?? Which is always connected to Halls?? Cough,cough.

Haha, nah, just a coincidence. Please, this is TV and the movies, we run our businesses just like the honest corner shop down the road!!

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 2108/02/2013

Diahann Carroll is going to Broadway. So she has her bases covered.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 2208/02/2013

USA's press releases are done in-house, according to a quick check of the NBCUniversal media village.

The only third-party press contact is for Culture Shop LA, Nate Schreiber's firm. (Schreiber is the former president of PMKHBH). Culture Shop lists USA Network as a client, so it appears that they have replaced Slate.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 2308/02/2013

[R17]

I'm sorry, you're wrong. Suits and Graceland were favorites at Upfront on Usa promo or in the media.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 2408/02/2013

USA has its own marketing and publicity department. They organize the upfronts

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 2508/02/2013

[R18]

I'm sorry, you're wrong. Suits and Graceland were favorites at Upfront on Usa promo or in the media.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 2608/02/2013

If Culture Shop replaced Slate, it is very recent, as Slate was still listed as the contact for the 2013 Upfronts a couple of months ago.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 2708/02/2013

I watch for Matt Bomer AND Tim DeKay.

I would pay to watch those do go at it like rabid monkeys.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 2808/02/2013

If you look on the website linked in r23, they seem to be very specifically handling the Characters Unite campaign, not general programming/awards campaign needs.

It looks like USA generally outsources a lot of their publicity. Is that normal for cable networks?

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 2908/02/2013

I find Tim Dekay to be ugly hot at the same time. I think he has awful features. Googly eyes, bad hair, blobby nose, horribly weird smile, but the whole package is still so hot. I guess that's what charisma can do for a person.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 3108/02/2013

GRACELAND is flopping hard and USA is worried, because they put a lot of time and money into it. They're already playing shuffle the schedule with it after less than 6 episodes have aired.

So of course they're going to bump WC so Eastin can re-tool GRACELAND. But that won't help - it's a one-season flop.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 3208/02/2013

USA has spent several years making poor programming choices and that is reflected in the problem they have now - their highest rated shows "Burn Notice" and "Psych" are in their final season and everything but "Suits" is struggling.

Anyone who has watched a single season of "White Collar" could see what a weak showrunner Jeff Eastin was, so the last thing they should have done was invest in another show from him.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 3308/02/2013

Too bad they're easing it out of their "popular" slots. Bomer's very pretty. He'll land on another show where he will also be very pretty and all will be well.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 3408/02/2013

I initially watched the show because I'm a fan of both Bomer and DeKay, but the storylines weren't interesting enough to me to keep watching.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 3508/02/2013

[quote]GRACELAND is flopping hard and USA is worried, because they put a lot of time and money into it. They're already playing shuffle the schedule with it after less than 6 episodes have aired.

Poor Daniel Sunjata just can't get a hit, can he? The only successful shows he's been on were Rescue Me and Grey's Anatomy, but those were just supporting roles.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 3608/02/2013

I'd take White Collar over Graceland any day. Too bad Eastin will end up with neither.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 3708/02/2013

Not surprising. It was just OK and I stopped watching after the second season.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 3908/03/2013

[quote]Anyone who has watched a single season of "White Collar" could see what a weak showrunner Jeff Eastin was, so the last thing they should have done was invest in another show from him.

I think USA made the mistake of putting the success of White Collar down to Eastin rather than down to Bomer. Or at least giving Eastin far more credit than he was due. Everyone I know who still watches WC only does so for Bomer and/or DeKay, admitting that they suffer through much of the writing for the pretty/hot. S1 was pretty good, and the show felt fun and fresh, but much of the following seasons was mediocre writing-wise.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 4008/03/2013

Hopefully this means Tim DeKay will have to take on work where he has to show his cock and ass gratuitously.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 4108/03/2013

If that's what you're after, you can watch "Tell Me You Love Me", R41.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 4208/03/2013

R42, I saw it! But I mean like 5 minute long sex scenes where you see EVERYTHING and like lingering gratuitous butt shots, etc. Basically just soft porn. TMYLM was only like...little peeks and innuendo.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 4308/03/2013

Jess ‏@sej_ih 1 Aug

@JeffKingTV Dear Jeff... only 13 episodes??? I mean... really?? for sure???... So dissapointed!!!

Jeff King @JeffKingTV

@sej_ih 16 is better, but instead of disappointed we decided to just go do what we love, make 13 really great episodes of White CollarTV

DrGCoroner ‏@DrGCoroner 4h

@JeffKingTV @sej_ih And that folks, is what you call, "Spin Control."

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 4408/03/2013

Season 5 premier at 9p.m Thursday 17 October.

Competitions: Glee and Grey's Anatomy.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 4508/15/2013

Does anyone actually watch these USA shows? They look incredibly tedious.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 4608/15/2013

Sounds like Jeff Eastin is checking out early.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 4708/15/2013

R45 - It's stronger than the competition.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 4808/17/2013

Only in your head, little fangirl..

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 4908/17/2013

don't worry, his PR husband will give him another job.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 5008/17/2013

this show used to be good, but then that 'love interest' Hilarie burton entered and the show went down hill. I used to love that show.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 5108/17/2013

I liked Hillarie's character more with Matt's than Kate.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 5208/17/2013

R33, R40 Exactly. For some reason USA never grasped that any success White Collar had was all due to Matt and his chemistry with Tim DeKay and little to do with Jeff Eastin. The writing itself sucks. Those two can at least make the dialog sound better than what it really is.

USA got into summer programming back when there was no other scripted programming except for repeats of broadcast network shows. They took advantage of that and built their shows around their blue-sky formula like they were manufacturing widgets. Then USA began to face competition as other networks began to produce more original content for the summer. They didn't recognize soon enough that their blue-sky formula had grown stale and they continued to churn out the same type of shows even as the landscape around them changed.

USA has tried to re-tool their current shows a bit, making them more serialized and slightly less blue-sky. I don't know how well has worked for them. It's seems to have alienated the core of fans who like the original blue-sky formula without having gained any significant number of new viewers.

USA's best bet is to focus on new shows from producers and showrunners who are currently not part of the USA "family".

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 5308/18/2013

Blue sky?

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 5408/18/2013

R54 "Blue sky" is how USA describes their light dramas, as in there are no clouds to darken anything.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 5508/18/2013

The blue sky formula refers to USA's decision to shoot a lot if its shows outdoors in the daytime with the camera pointed up. Bonnie Hammer thought this was revolutionary. It was also intended to reflect that a lot of their shows would air during the summer.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 5608/18/2013

Sounds like Neal's getting killed off!

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 5701/30/2014

R57 how on earth does that sound like Neal's getting killed off? You're cray cray.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 5801/30/2014

Did you watch the season finale tonight?

Bomer thinks he can have a movie career, so he's outta there.

Lotsa luck, Matt. You'll need it. A pretty face and a nice ass are a dime a dozen in Hollywood, and that's all you've got (nice nipples too).

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 5901/31/2014

r59, I blame people who were giving him false hope.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 6001/31/2014

the season finale means there will be a 6th season yayyyyyyyyyyyyy1

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 6101/31/2014

The show is really creatively bankrupt, isn't it? This is the second "cliffhanger" where Neal is kidnapped.

Lol that it goes out this way.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 6301/31/2014

USA and Fox at standstill over renewal, may get a miniseries finale.

by Simon Halls's Brass Knucklesreply 6402/11/2014
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