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“Libertarian populism” is a fraud

[italic]All the re-brands and disguises in the world cannot obscure what this "new" ideology is really about [/italic]

Question: What is a libertarian populist? Answer: A libertarian in disguise.

That is my conclusion, after perusing much of the recent discussion of whether a new “libertarian populism” (or “populist libertarianism”) could prove to be a winning formula for the exhausted and discredited American right.

At first glance, creating a common ideology to unite the libertarian and populist wings of today’s right must be an appealing idea for GOP strategists. But to succeed, both parents would have to contribute to the genetic makeup of the libertarian populist baby. The leading advocates of libertarian populism, however, look very much like run-of-the-mill libertarians to me.

Ben Domenech, for example, tries to define libertarian populism by arguing that it takes “a few of its aims from the Rand Paul approach – a balanced budget amendment, flatter and simpler taxes, and more – but there is also a stronger focus on issues which cut across party lines, including reform of higher education, prison and justice systems, civil liberty protections, and an assault on D.C. cronyism from green energy to Big Banks.” But all of this is standard-issue libertarianism, including libertarian critiques of “prison and justice systems” and “civil liberty protections.” Nothing new here, folks, move along.

What Domenech and others mean by “populist” appears to be “popular.” They want a popular libertarianism, a libertarianism that majorities of Americans might vote for, not a movement that has anything to do with actual historic populism in the United States, which has generally been, to coin a phrase, illibertarian.

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by Anonymousreply 9505/06/2015

A libertarian is out for number one.

by Anonymousreply 107/31/2013

Libertarianism is freedom for the rich and powerful, slavery for everyone else. Always has been, always will be.

by Anonymousreply 207/31/2013

It's an oxymoron.

by Anonymousreply 308/01/2013

Michael Lind has proven over and over that he really just doesn't understand libertarianism. This is just his latest tour de folie. The poor guy can't even understand that Ayn Rand has nothing to do libertarianism.

But dataloungers will lap it up because he says what you're all eager to hear.

by Anonymousreply 408/01/2013

[quote]The poor guy can't even understand that Ayn Rand has nothing to do libertarianism.

You're hilarious.

You don't even understand your own party.

You think "Libertarians" are still "Classical Libertarians". No. You're living in the past (like WAY past).

You're living in denial of reality. Typical of a libertarian of any sort, actually.

by Anonymousreply 508/01/2013

Libertarians cannot and never will be populist. A libertarian is basically someone rich who wants to do what he wants, ie pay no taxes, sleep with who he wants, take whatever drugs he wants etc. By definition that excludes anyone who uses government services, healthcare, education, housing, welfare etc as well as the religious, the police etc. A libertarian is basically the polar opposite of a left-wing populist movement like 'Occupy Wall Street' or populist presidential campaigns by the likes of Dean or Edwards or a right-wing populist movement like the religious right and Pat Buchanan's 1992 'culture war' or Santorum or Huckabee's campaigns.

by Anonymousreply 608/01/2013

What R3 said. And R6.

by Anonymousreply 708/27/2013

libertarians will always be greedy fucks.

by Anonymousreply 808/27/2013

Just because someone is greedy doesn't mean they want everyone else to starve. In my experience, libertarians are keener on the latter than just on amassing money for themselves.

by Anonymousreply 908/27/2013

You can't polish a turd.

by Anonymousreply 1008/27/2013

Any time I hear a Libertarian, whether of old OR "new" stripe, I hear that Dave Chappelle character describing a pimp's suit:

[quote]what can I say about that suit that hasn't already been said about Afganistan? It looks bombed out and depleted.

As does hoary old Libertarianism.

by Anonymousreply 1108/27/2013

Yeah, it's beyond selfish self-absorption... it's got a thick layer of petty vindictiveness on top.

by Anonymousreply 1208/27/2013

indeed

by Anonymousreply 1308/28/2013

There is something so completely immature, childish, adolescent about the libertarian world-view...

by Anonymousreply 1408/28/2013

Well, your children will not be drafted and die under Libertarianism, but they sure as hell will be under the Democrats or Republicans.

I don't care that you don't like Libertarianism, but I want you to know that your vote for any Democrat or Republican is a vote for murder, war, starvation and torture.

Children are being bombed in their sleep by drones in Pakistan via Democrat War Monger Obama. I bet you voted for him, twice, right?

Third Parties must really, really scare you all, because that would be real "hope and change," now wouldn't it?

WW3 is now starting and thanks for your votes, you asshole Democrats and Republican supporters.

A big fucking THANK YOU for supporting, year and fucking year, the same globalist war criminals that are bankrupting our country and making it hell for us all.

Thank you, so much, for mocking third parties like the anti-war Libertarians, Green Party, Peace and Freedom Party, and any other group that wants to stop the slaughter of innocents.

by Anonymousreply 1508/28/2013

R9 To be fair most libertarians would argue welfare, public housing, medicare/Medicaid etc should be replaced by charity. Although clearly charity is something that may not always be able to be relied upon (although to be fair if you have exhausted your time limited welfare benefits now in the US you are largely reliant on charity anyway)

by Anonymousreply 1608/28/2013

R16, this is why I am not a Libertarian in the modern sense because most charities are religious organizations.

I don't trust religious groups though, which makes me closer to being a Libertarian.

I guess I would be a Libertarians that would support most government programs but not war funding, if that type still even exists. It used to, in fact, that is what is called classical, progressive Libertarianism.

Maybe we can revive that type of Libertarianism and create a real movement.

by Anonymousreply 1708/28/2013

[quote]Just because someone is greedy doesn't mean they want everyone else to starve

look up the word greed, it means taking from others

by Anonymousreply 1808/28/2013

Oh no, R15. Thank [bold]YOU[/bold]. Your endlessly repetitive incoherent horseshit guarantees that Libertarians will never, ever be seriously considered for public office in the United States.

by Anonymousreply 1908/28/2013

[quote]Third Parties must really, really scare you all, because that would be real "hope and change," now wouldn't it?

third parties don't scare me, LIBERTARIANS do. I'd happily vote in a viable green candidate. I'd NEVER vote libertarian under ANY circumstance.

by Anonymousreply 2008/28/2013

[quote]I guess I would be a Libertarians that would support most government programs but not war funding, if that type still even exists.

no, it doesn't exist.

by Anonymousreply 2108/28/2013

Please stop your addiction to "labels". I realize that it sounds funny since this is a gay gossip site but it's a destructive trend among gays.

It's twisted if you think the Patriot Act isn't that bad just because Libertarian Ron Paul is opposed to it.

It also makes gays seem incredibly dumb.

by Anonymousreply 2208/28/2013

R16 - That is more the definition of a liberal than a libertarian

by Anonymousreply 2308/28/2013

R20 soooo, you wouldn't vote for a Libertarian, who promised no further wars and a draft, over a war mongering Democrat or Republican???!!!

You know what, we're spoiled in this country, We have never really been hit, hard, for a lengthy period, by war. We have had terrible terrorist attacks but war hasn't come to American shores for long time.

Wait 'til it does. What will you do when there is no food in the stores? No clean water?

What will you do when you are conscripted (draft) and forced to leave your computers?

How will you waddle your way through basic training?

by Anonymousreply 2408/28/2013

For somebody who claims they're not a Libertarian, you get awfully butthurt whenever the term is maligned, R24.

Just saying.

by Anonymousreply 2508/28/2013

R24, you dumbass, we have a defense department so we don't have wars coming to our shores.

by Anonymousreply 2608/28/2013

I will concede precisely one point.

Under a Libertarian president, the United States would never again start any wars.

Because a Libertarian president would sell our entire nuclear arsenal to the Russian mafia, who would be our de facto rulers.

We'd also be forced into bartering for survival, but that's another point.

by Anonymousreply 2708/28/2013

Your fantasy libertarians sure do sound like assholes, R27.

by Anonymousreply 2808/28/2013

A Libertarian in office would never be swayed by the other legislators and populace to not go to war? Fantasy.

by Anonymousreply 2908/28/2013

R26, you forgot about 911. It did come to our shores. And our defense was ordered to stay down.

by Anonymousreply 3008/28/2013

R28: I get on my knees every morning and say a prayer of thanks that real libertarians aren't in power.

by Anonymousreply 3108/28/2013

R30, that sucker punch from 12 years ago was not warfare in a sense recognized at the time.

by Anonymousreply 3208/28/2013

R15 is utterly delusional. It's almost cute how cluelessly deluded he is.

by Anonymousreply 3308/28/2013

[quote]It's twisted if you think the Patriot Act isn't that bad just because Libertarian Ron Paul is opposed to it.

Ron Paul has absolutely zilch to do with my opinion of the Patriot Act. I hated it under Bush, and I still hate it under Obama.

You assume/presume too much. Like most 'libertarians'.

by Anonymousreply 3408/28/2013

OMG, I have since r15's post so many times on DL I think I have it memorized. Do you have it stored in a word document and just copy and paste it whenever you figure out how to post on DL again after being banned?

by Anonymousreply 3508/28/2013

End all wars and bring all troops home from +100 countries.

End all subsidies to the banks, the mega companies, the big farm corps, the media, the automakers, and the underwriters.

Why is this wrong?

by Anonymousreply 3602/15/2014

libertarianism = greedy cunts cunting

by Anonymousreply 3702/15/2014

petulant, selfish children.

by Anonymousreply 3802/15/2014

R37-

How profound! You're the new Leni Reifensthal!

by Anonymousreply 3902/15/2014

[quote]End all wars and bring all troops home from +100 countries.

Who can disagree?

[quote]End all subsidies to the banks, the mega companies, the big farm corps, the media, the automakers, and the underwriters.

Once again, who can disagree?

Libertarians are the only people who seem to care about civil rights. Poseurs like the faux liberal cunts that post hosannas to Obama can't see the light.

by Anonymousreply 4002/15/2014

R36, everything you mention is correct and would be a good idea, however the society that should replace what you're describing would best be a socialist, participatory, proportional democracy. NOT a right-wing corporate dictatorship based on property rights. Fuck the libertarians and all the predators and delusional wanna-be predators.

by Anonymousreply 4102/15/2014

Anyone who thinks that the USA should have military bases in +170 foreign countries, and that the president should have the right to kill anyone he wants via drone, is NOT a liberal.

They are fascist psychos.

I pray they (or their family) never crosses the government and gets murdered by a government drone.

Our government is sick, twisted and evil.

by Anonymousreply 4205/29/2014

It's that time of the week again...the Libertarian Idiot Troll bumps year-old libertarian threads, spills his lunatic bullshit and splits.

Keeps him off the streets, at least.

by Anonymousreply 4305/29/2014

[quote[you forgot about 911. It did come to our shores. And our defense was ordered to stay down.

This is the dumbest thing I've heard here in months. So we should have blown the hijacked flight out of the sky, so it wouldn't crash in a field? Your outcome would have been so much more butch!

by Anonymousreply 4405/29/2014

R43-

Such an amazingly intelligent reply! When did they let you out of your kindergarten class?

by Anonymousreply 4505/30/2014

Wow, R45. You called me a five-year-old. I don't know how I can possibly carry on.

*snicker*

by Anonymousreply 4605/30/2014

R46-

Such a powerful and eloquent reply.

Please, if you aren't too stupid to breath, post a real reply.

by Anonymousreply 4705/30/2014

[quote]you forgot about 911. It did come to our shores. And our defense was ordered to stay down.

Yes. The government ordered the military to "stand down" and that it was "a military exercise" on 9/11.

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[quote]This is the dumbest thing I've heard here in months.

Your acceptance of the government narrative speaks to how dumb you are.

Please wake up, look at the facts, quit being a retarded douche.

by Anonymousreply 4805/30/2014

Libertarianism: The utterly bizarre belief that one owes nothing to the society that sustains them.

Also: The political & economic ideology of the arrested adolescent, the self-absorbed & selfish, those utterly ignorant of their own privilege, and utterly ignorant of how societies and economies and governments actually need to work.

by Anonymousreply 4905/30/2014

r36 Because that is only a fraction of what libertarians believe in.

by Anonymousreply 5005/30/2014

r49 Good summary.

by Anonymousreply 5105/30/2014

r40 No, Libertarians think businesses should be able to refuse service of people because of their race, gender, sexual orientation or for any reason. They don't believe in enforcing/creating anti hate crime laws.

Just because they are right sometimes, doesn't mean they are pro-civil rights.

by Anonymousreply 5205/30/2014

[quote]Libertarianism: The utterly bizarre belief that one owes nothing to the society that sustains them

Wow.

I mean, just...wow.

Your utter ignorance of history, of economics, of psychology, of REALITY...wow.

Libertarians embrace society. We understand that man is social, and needs social ties to survive. We understand that we need to treat our fellow man with respect, with kindness, with generosity.

We are smart enough to see that a corrupt, disruptive, sick system that embraces people that lie, steal, cheat and kill because the government tells them to is evil.

Too bad you're too stupid to see that. I pity you. Please don't reproduce- we don't need people like you spawning more useless children.

by Anonymousreply 5305/30/2014

Libertarians are ignorant maladjusted fools, deluded into thinking they stand for something, they stand for nothing, worse than neo-cons, they believe that doing nothing is better than doing something. lazy, witless, egocentric and purblind. Foisting this ignorance on the DL is the greatest mystery of all!

by Anonymousreply 5405/30/2014

[quote]Libertarians are ignorant maladjusted fools,

Why? Because we think that allowing the government to spy on us is wrong? That laws that authorize the government to kill us at their whim is wrong? That disagreeing with the Supreme Court about the rulings that a police officer kicking down doors and disfiguring a baby is wrong?

Because we are scared that our government is starting to look like the government of Germany in the 1930s?

The fact that our government and the biggest banks use their "get out of jail card" to print trillions and impoverish the bottom 99.99% while the rest suffer?

You are the poor idiot "deluded into thinking they stand for something" and I hope you will wake up and smell the fascism. You're too stupid to see how stupid you are.

they stand for nothing,

worse than neo-cons,

they believe that doing nothing is better than doing something. lazy, witless, egocentric and purblind.

Foisting this ignorance on the DL is the greatest mystery of all!

by Anonymousreply 5505/30/2014

Shut up Lindy

by Anonymousreply 5605/30/2014

R56-

Suck it.

by Anonymousreply 5705/30/2014

Busted

by Anonymousreply 5805/30/2014

R58

Huh?

by Anonymousreply 5905/30/2014

Lindy

by Anonymousreply 6005/30/2014

R60-

Huh?

Lindy was a communist twat.

by Anonymousreply 6105/30/2014

R53, do you have ANY idea what today's Libertarians believe? Apparently not. Talk to any Randian moron, and you'll find you're completely wrong.

Too bad you're too stupid to see that. I pity you. Please don't reproduce (REALLY? THAT'S your insult on a fucking GAY message board?? More evidence of how fucking clueless and unthinking Libertarians & their defenders are).

by Anonymousreply 6205/30/2014

R55 is retarded. In a very literal way. The number of logical fallacies engaged in, in that post, is just ridiculous.

Every single post by someone defending libertarians or libertarianism actually ends up PROVING the points made by those trashing libertarians & libertarianism.

It's actually kind of funny to watch.

by Anonymousreply 6305/30/2014

And yet you aren't smart enough to point out those alleged logical fallacies.

R63

It's funny to watch morons like you twist and turn because you can't see the truth.

by Anonymousreply 6405/30/2014

R64, if you're too stupid to see the obvious, you'll just deny anything I point out.

But let's start with this hilarious example... your very first sentence:

[quote]Why? Because we think that allowing the government to spy on us is wrong?

I mean, Jesus Christ. Talk about an irrelevant non-sequitur. Straw-man argument much? NO, that has NOTHING to do with it. NOR is that even remotely a belief specific or unique to Libertarians.

Goddamned, you're ignorant. Get an education. Your arrogant ignorance is stunning.

It just goes to show: "When you are dead, you do not know you are dead... your death is only a burden to others. It is the same when you are stupid."

You're too stupid to realize just how fucking stupid you sound.

by Anonymousreply 6505/30/2014

R65-

No, libertarians are the only people talking about the US GOVERNMENT spying.

Are you that ignorant of current events?

by Anonymousreply 6605/30/2014

R66, if you believe that, you truly are deeply ignorant.

It's laughable that you think Libertarians are the ONLY people talking about the US Government spying. That's just so patently and obviously false, I can't even imagine how you typed that with a straight face.

You are truly ignorant of, well, just about everything.

And too stupid to realize just how ignorant you are. SO you continue to stick your foot in your mouth and make a fool of yourself.

by Anonymousreply 6705/30/2014

[quote]Because we think that allowing the government to spy on us is wrong?

The majority of "liberal" journalists have defended the NSA and the wholesale spy police state. Libertarians have denounced it.

[quote]That laws that authorize the government to kill us at their whim is wrong?

Most "liberals" have defended Obama when he murdered Al-Awaki and his teenage son, or the murder of dozens of innocent wedding guests. Libertarians have called him a war criminal and demanded he be tried for war crimes and executed.

[quote]That disagreeing with the Supreme Court about the rulings that a police officer kicking down doors and disfiguring a baby is wrong?

Obama has been just as bad on the drug war, the terror war, the funding of terrorists in Ukraine and Libya and Syria...the fact that you're too blind and ignorant to see this is disgusting.

[quote]Because we are scared that our government is starting to look like the government of Germany in the 1930s?

Most Germans didn't see that their country had become an evil fascist state until it was too late. The USA is in the same situation.

[quote]The fact that our government and the biggest banks use their "get out of jail card" to print trillions and impoverish the bottom 99.99% while the rest suffer?

The government defends and bails out the banks. It steals from the poor.

[quote]You are the poor idiot "deluded into thinking they stand for something" and I hope you will wake up and smell the fascism. You're too stupid to see how stupid you are.

People like you, that defend our government, make me sick.

[quote]they stand for nothing,

And so you fall for anything. You believe any lie as long as the liar has a (D) next to their name. You are ignorant trash.

[quote]worse than neo-cons,

Yes, trash.

[quote]they believe that doing nothing is better than doing something. lazy, witless, egocentric and purblind.

Wake up and smell the fascism you retarded twat.

by Anonymousreply 6805/30/2014

R67-

So called "liberals" have defended Obama at every turn- his murder of US citizens, his support of Al-Queda in Syria, his defense of "F&F" in Mexico (admittedly that started with Bush), his posturing over Crimea, the IRS witch hunts, the current VA scandal- and you "liberals" refuse to call him a war criminal evil bastard. You're no better than the Republicans that supported Bush and his war crimes.

When you can call for Bush (1&2) and Clinton (him and her) and Obama and their staff to be tried for war crimes and executed I will take you seriously. Until then you are just another apologist for the elite.

by Anonymousreply 6905/30/2014

R68, the only retarded, myopic twat here is you and any of the other Libertarian defenders.

Libertarians are fucking morons.

by Anonymousreply 7005/30/2014

R69, the fact that you think Obama defended Al Qaeda in Syria, or engaged in any sort of IRA witch-hunt marks you as a tin-hat conspiracy theorist nut-case who is deeply ill-informed.

Your false equivalencies are typical of the stupidity of Libertarians, & their willful blindness, and purposeful twisting & spinning of reality to fit their ideology.

by Anonymousreply 7105/30/2014

R70-

What a great defense! Bravo!

by Anonymousreply 7205/30/2014

R71-

Yes, the Wall Street Journal, NYTimes and Huffington Post would report that the US Government is training Al- Qaeda rebels with no facts to support it.

Are you really that stupid?

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Earlier this year Jamal Maarouf, leader of the Syrian Revolutionary Front, admitted his “moderate” fighters conduct joint operations with Jabhat al-Nusra, the al-Qaeda proxy in Syria.

Maarouf told The Independent he was instructed by his U.S., Saudi and Qatari benefactors to work with al-Nusra terrorists who slaughter civilians and summarily execute Syrian soldiers.

Maarouf said if “the people who support us [U.S., Saudis, Qataris] tell us to send weapons to another group, we send them. They asked us a month ago to send weapons to Yabroud [in Syria] so we sent a lot of weapons there. When they asked us to do this, we do it.”

On Wednesday, The Wall Street Journal reported “Barack Obama will authorize US troops to train selected Syrian rebels, in order to counter the rising power of Al-Qaeda-linked extremists.”

“The current policy approach continues to be strengthening the moderate opposition, which offers an alternative to the brutal Assad regime and the more extremist elements within the opposition,” State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said.

Psaki’s remark counts on the ignorance of the American people concerning the U.S. role in the effort to overthrow the al-Assad regime and replace it with something more amenable to the geostrategic objectives of the financial elite.

by Anonymousreply 7305/30/2014

R49-

Fact free, full of shit.

Let's see what Troll-DAR reveals...

by Anonymousreply 7405/30/2014

At R62 you wrote---

[quote][R53], do you have ANY idea what today's Libertarians believe? Apparently not. Talk to any Randian moron, and you'll find you're completely wrong.

Well! How funny! You think that Ayn Rand and Libertarianism are synonymous. That's like thinking Homet and Virgil are the same since they were both ancient poets.

Libertarianism is simple- don't lie, don't cheat, don't steal, don't kill. Period.

Conflating that with Randian Objectivism is like saying Adolfo Hitler and Angela Merkel have the same ideology.

You really are ignorant.

by Anonymousreply 7505/30/2014

R63-

Yet you can't point out a single false statement and rely on the ignorance of the audience.

Please, refute the FACT that freedom is superior to slavery.

by Anonymousreply 7605/30/2014

Omgg! R76 etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. SEEK HELP! You're crazed.

by Anonymousreply 7705/30/2014

This just gets easier.

At R65 you posted

[quote]I mean, Jesus Christ. Talk about an irrelevant non-sequitur.

So, you think Obama is a war criminal?

[quote]Straw-man argument much?

How so? Pointing out that Bush and Obama have both engaged in murderous actions is a straw-man?

[quote]NO, that has NOTHING to do with it.

It have EVERYTHING to do with "IT"!

[quote]NOR is that even remotely a belief specific or unique to Libertarians.

How many "liberals" are calling for Obama to be impeached, tried and executed?

[quote]Goddamned, you're ignorant.

No, I'm not a pussy. I'm consistent.

[quote]Get an education.

Like yours? The one that makes you too stupid to see how stupid you are?

[quote]Your arrogant ignorance is stunning.

HA!

[quote]It just goes to show: "When you are dead, you do not know you are dead... your death is only a burden to others. It is the same when you are stupid."

I doubt death could cure a stupid of your magnitude.

by Anonymousreply 7805/30/2014

Why, R77? Because I don't want to be a slave to the government and Federal Reserve and megacorporations?

by Anonymousreply 7905/30/2014

Who are these people that still want to defend the omnipotent government system???

by Anonymousreply 8006/12/2014

Go away

by Anonymousreply 8106/12/2014

R81-

Why go away? Are you too married to the USGOV to expose the evil at the heart?

Please, help.

by Anonymousreply 8206/12/2014

Ayn Rand represents liberty? Uhhhh, no.

Ludwig Von Mises represents freedom.

Economicpolicyjournal.Com supports freedom.

Wake the fuck up!!!

by Anonymousreply 8306/12/2014

R82=sucks ayn rand's dusty bones

by Anonymousreply 8406/12/2014

Von Mises does not represent freedom. He was a supporter of fascism in the twenties. His salary at NYU was paid by an advertising executive, Lawrence Fertig, not by the university.

by Anonymousreply 8506/12/2014

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BLACK EAGLE.................THORNTON WELLES MEG FAIRWEATHER.............KATE TAMBLYING JACK FAIRWEATHER............OWEN TREGOWER HENRY FAIRWEATHER...........RUSS TEMPOLE JNR. MRS FAIRWEATHER.............ALICE SHOEMAKER DR TENNYSON.................MARSHALL M. WEST LUMPKIN.....................DINO DE VERE MR RIVERS...................WALTER SCHENKEL LT STAVEACRE................NORMAN S. HUGHES A WENCH............. .......MARSHA SUTTON SECOND WENCH................TINEA PEDIS THE DOG.....................KARL SCREENPLAY BY AL R. SCHROEDER AND WAYNE KOPIT BASED ON THE NOVEL 'THE BLUE EAGLE' BY RAPHAEL SABATINI SET DECORATION..............CY BORGINI MAKE-UP.....................BRUCE DILKES COSTUMES....................JOAN LOUIS UNIT MANAGER................TREVOR BELOWSKI CONTINUITY..................SUE CARPENTER SPECIAL EFFECTS.............WALTER SCHENKEL MISS TAMBLYING'S GOWNS BY HEPWORTHS COLOUR BY CHROMACOLOUR SOUND RECORDING WCA SYSTEM COPYRIGHT BY SCHENKEL PRODUCTIONS ANY SIMILARITY BETWEEN PERSONS LIVING OR DEAD IS CONICIDENTAL PRODUCED BY JOSEPH M. SCHLACK DIRECTED BY LAUREN F. NORDER tMix through from flag to sea at night. Sound of water lapping. Soft sound of muffled oars drawing nearer. We can see a rowing boat making slowly and silently towards the shore where the camera is. The stirring music continues. ROLLER CAPTION: 'IN 1742 THE SPANISH EMPIRE LAY IN RUINS. TORN BY INTERNAL DISSENT, AND WRACKED BY NUMEROUS WARS, ITS RICH TRADE ROUTES FELL EASY PREY TO BRITISH PRIVATEERS...AND THE TREASURE OF THE SPANISH MAIN WAS BROUGHT HOME TO THE SHORES OF ENGLAND' By the time roller captions have finished the rowing boat has approached much nearer. It stops and they ship their oars. Cut in to close ups of pirate's face peering into the darkness. Shot from the boat of a deserted cliff top. A light flashes twice. Then there is a pause. Cut back to the boat; the men look uneasy as they wait for the third flash. Cut back to the cliff...at last the third flash. Cut back to the boat; they start to again. Cut to them beaching the boat on the shore. They start to unload sacks and chests. Putting them onto their shoulders they start to walk along the shore line. We pan with them for quite some way...and suddenly between the camera and the pirates we come across the announcer at a desk. He wears a dinner jacket and shuffles some papers in front of him. Announcer tAnd now for something completely different... It's Man tIt's... tAnimated titles. Cut to a small tobacconist's shop. The tobacconist is handing change to a fireman. Fireman tThank you very much for the change, Mr Tobacconist. (he exits; then out of vision, very loud) Was that all right? Everybody tSSSh! tStirring adventure music of buccaneer film as at the beginning and the roller caption in the same typeface. ROLLER CAPTION: IN 1970, THE BRITISH EMPIRE LAY IN RUINS, FOREIGN NATIONALS FREQUENTED THE STREETS - MANY OF THEM HUNGARIANS (NOT THE STREETS - THE FOREIGN NATIONALS). ANYWAY, MANY OF THESE HUNGARIANS WENT INTO TOBACCONIST'S SHOPS TO BUY CIGARETTES... Enter Hungarian gentleman with phrase book. He is looking for the right phrase. Hungarian tI will not buy this record, it is scratched. Tobacconist tSorry? Hungarian tI will not buy this record, it is scratched. Tobacconist tNo, no, no.This ... tobacconist's. Hungarian tAh! I will not buy this tobacconist's, it is scratched. Tobacconist tNo, no, no ...tobacco...er, cigarettes? Hungarian tYes, cigarettes. My hovercraft is full of eels. Tobacconist tWhat? Hungarian t(miming matches) My hovercraft is full of eels. Tobacconist tMatches, matches? (showing some) Hungarian tYah, yah. (he takes cigarettes and matches and pulls out loose change; he consults his book) Er, do you want ... do you want to come back to my place, bouncy bouncy? Tobacconist tI don't think you're using that right. Hungarian tYou great pouf. Tobacconist tThat'll be six and six, please. Hungarian tIf I said you had a beautiful body, would you hold it against me? I am no longer infected.

by Anonymousreply 8606/13/2014

Tobacconist t(miming that he wants to see the book; he takes the book) It costs six and six ...(mumbling as he searches) Costs six and six ... Here we are ... Yandelvayasna grldenwi stravenka. tHungarian hits him between the eyes. Policeman walking along the street suddenly stops and puts his hand to his ear. He starts running down the street, round corner and down another street, round yet another corner and down another street into the shop Policeman tWhat's going on here then? Hungarian t(opening book and pointing at tobacconist) You have beautiful thighs. Policeman tWhat? Tobacconist tHe hit me. Hungarian tDrop your panties, Sir William, I cannot wait till lunchtime. Policeman tRight! (grabs him and drags him out) Hungarian tMy nipples explode with delight. tCut to a courtroom. Clerk tCall Alexander Yahlt Voices tCall Alexander Yahlt. Call Alexander Yahlt. Call Alexander Yahlt. (They do this three times finishing with harmony) Magistrate tOh, shut up. Clerk tYou are Alexander Yahlt? Yahlt t(Derek Nimmo's voice (dubbed on)) Oh I am. Clerk tSkip the impersonations. You are Alexander Yahlt? Yahlt t(normal voice) I am. Clerk tYou are hereby charged that on the 28th day of May 1970, you did wilfully, unlawfully, and with malice aforethought publish an alleged English-Hungarian phrasebook with intent to cause a breach of the peace. How do you plead? Yahlt tNot guilty. Clerk tYou live at 46, Horton Terrace? Yahlt tI do live at 46, Horton Terrace. Clerk tYou are the director of a publishing company? Yahlt tI am the director of a publishing company. Clerk tYour company publishes phrasebooks? Yahlt tMy company does publish phrasebooks. Clerk tYou did say 46, Horton Terrace, didn't you? Yahlt tYes. tHe claps his hand to his mouth; gong sounds - general applause. Clerk tHa, ha, ha, I got him. Magistrate tGet on with it! Get on with it! Clerk tYes, m'lud, on the 28th of May, you published this phrasebook. Yahlt tI did. Clerk tI quote an example. The Hungarian phrase meaning 'Can you direct me to the station?' is translated by the English phrase, 'Please fondle my bum'. Yahlt tI wish to plead incompetence. tThe policeman stands up Policeman tPlease may I ask for an adjournment, m'lud?

by Anonymousreply 8706/13/2014

Magistrate tAn adjournment? Certainly not. (the policeman sits down; there is a loud raspberry; the policeman goes bright red) Why on earth didn't you say why you wanted an adjourment? Policeman tI didn't know an acceptable legal phrase, m'lud. tCut to stock film of Women's Institute applauding. Cut back to the magistrate. Magistrate tIf there's any more stock film of women applauding, I'll clear the court. Clerk tCall Abigail Tesler tTwo policemen carry a large photo blow-up the size of a door. It is a photo from a newspaper like the 'Mirror', with a girl in a bikini and the headline across the top: 'Sunshine Sizzler'. Underneath is some small print which is later read out (see below). They prop her up in the witness box. Defence tM'lud - this is Abigail Tesler. Magistrate tIs it? Defence tYes, m'lud. Twenty-three-year-old Abigail hails from down under, where they're upside down about her. Those Aussies certainly know a thing or two when it comes to beach belles. Bet some life-saver wouldn't mind giving her the kiss of life. So watch out for sharks, Abigail! tCut back to the judge's desk. The judge has turned into a similar photo blow-up of himself, the size of a door. The headline at the top is 'Legal Sizzler'. Journalist t(voice over) Is this strictly releveant? Quizzed learned lovely, Justice Maltravers. Seventy-eight-year-old Justice hails from Esther, and he's been making a big name for himself at the recent Assizes at Exeter. (cut back to defence counsel, who has turned into a large photo blow-up of himslef headed 'Defence Counsel Sizzler') Voice Over tAll will be revealed soon m'lud, quipped tall forty-two-year-old Nelson Bedowes. Cutie QC Nelson's keen on negligence and grievous bodily harm at Gray's Inn. And with cases like he's won we bet Gray's in when Nelson's around. tANIMATION: Starting with newspaper photo of judge in dark glasses and full wig with a starlet beside him, walking down London airport departure corridor carrying cases. Voice Over tWell get on with it, admitted seventy-eight-year-old genial jurisprude Maltravers seen here at London airport, on his way to judge for Britain at the famous International Court in the Hague ... Voice tGet off! tCAPTION: 'WORLD FORUM' tAn important-looking current affairs set. On the back wall behind the presenter huge letters say: 'World Forum' Presenter tGood evening. Tonight is indeed a unique occasion in the history of television. We are very privileged, and deeply honoured to have with us in the studio, Karl Marx, founder of modern socialism, and author of the 'Communist Manifesto'. (Karl Marx is sitting at a desk; he nods) Vladimir Ilich Ulyanov, better known to the world as Lenin, leader of the Russian Revolution, writer, statesman, and father of modern communism. (shot of Lenin also at desk; he nods) Che Guevara, the Cuban guerrilla leader. (shot of Guevara) And Mao Tse-tung, leader of the Chinese Communist Party since 1949. (shot of Mao; the presenter picks up a card) And the first question is for you, Karl Marx. The Hammers - The Hammers is the nickname of what English football team? 'The Hammers? (shot of Karl Marx furrowing his brow- obviously he hasn't a clue) No? Well bad luck there, Karl. So we'll go onto you Che. Che Guevara - Coventry City last won the FA Cup in what year? (cut to Che looking equally dumbfounded) No? I'll throw it open. Coventry City last won the FA Cup in what year? (they all look blank) No? Well, I'm not surprised you didn't get that. It was in fact a trick question. Coventry City have never won the FA Cup. So with the scores all equal now we go onto our second round, and Lenin it's your starter for ten. Teddy Johnson and Pearl Carr won the Eurovision Song Contest in 1959. What was the name of the song? ... Teddy Johnson and Pearl Carr's song in the 1959 Eurovision Song Contest? Anybody? (buzzer goes as in 'University Challenge'.' zoom in on Mao Tse-tung) Yes, Mao Tse-tung? Mao Tse-tung t'Sing Little Birdie'?

by Anonymousreply 8806/13/2014

Presenter tYes it was indeed. Well challenged. (applause) Well now we come on to our special gift section. The contestant is Karl Marx and the prize this week is a beautiful lounge suite. (curtains behind the presenter sweep open to reveal a beautiful lounge suite; terrific audience applause; Karl comes out and stands in front of this display) Now Karl has elected to answer questions on the workers control of factories so here we go with question number one. Are you nervous? (Karl nods his head; the presenter reads from a card) The development of the industrial proletariat is conditioned by what other development? Karl tThe development of the industrial bourgeoisie. (applause) Presenter tYes, yes, it is indeed. You're on your way to the lounge suite, Karl. Question number two. The struggle of class against class is a what struggle? A what struggle? Karl tA political struggle. tTumultuous applause Presenter tYes, yes! One final question Karl and the beautiful lounge suite will be yours... Are you going to have a go? (Karl nods) You're a brave man. Karl Marx, your final question, who won the Cup Final in 1949? Karl tThe workers' control of the means of production? The struggle of the urban proletariat? Presenter tNo. It was in fact, Wolverhampton Wanderers who beat Leicester 3-1. tCut to stock film of goal bring scored in a big football match. Roar from crowd. Stock footage of football crowds cheering. Voice Over t(and CAPTION:) 'IN WORLD FORUM TODAY: KARL MARX, CHE GUEVARA, LENIN AND MAO TSE-TUNG. NEXT WEEK, FOUR LEADING HEADS OF STATE OF THE AFRO-ASIAN NATIONS AGAINST BRISTOL ROVERS AT MOLINEUX' tANIMATION: Sketch leading to stock drawing of First World War trench scene - barbed wire against the sky with a helmet stuck on a bayonet. Voice Over t(and CAPTION:) 'IN 1914, THE BALANCE OF POWER LAY IN RUINS. EUROPE WAS PLUNGED INTO BLOODY CONFLICT. NATION FOUGHT NATION. BUT NO NATION FOUGHT NATION MORELY THAN THE ENGLISH HIP HIP HOORARY! NICE, NICE YAH BOO. PHILLIPS IS A GERMAN AND HE HAVE MY PEN' Different Voice Over t(and CAPTION:) 'START AGAIN' Voice Over t(and CAPTION:) 'IN 1914, THE BALANCE OF POWER LAY IN RUINS...' tMix through to close up of a harmonica bring played by a British Tommy. tCAPTION: 'YPRES 1914' tThe camera pulls slowly out, with the plaintive harmonica still playing, to reveal the interior of a bunker in the trenches. Sitting around on old ammunition boxes etc. are the harmonica player, Private Jenkins, Sergeant Jackson, a padre with no arms, a sheikh, a Viking warrior, a male mermaid, a nun, a milkman and a Greek Orthodox priest. Sounds of warfare throughout, shells thudding, explosions etc. Sergeant t(looking round rather uncomfortably at the strange collection) Jenkins? Jenkins t(equally uncomfortable about playing such a tender scene in front of sheiks etc.) Yes, sir. Sergeant tWhat are you going to do when you get back to Blighty? Jenkins tI dunno, sarge... I expect I'll be looking after me mum. She'll be getting on a bit now. Sergeant tGot a family of your own 'ave you? Jenkins tNo, she's ... she's all I got left now. My wife, Doreen ... she ... I got a letter. Sergeant tYou don't have to tell me, son. Jenkins tNo, sarge, I'd like to tell you, see this place.... tCut to long shot of bunker. Floor manager strides on to set. Floor Manager tHold it. Hold it. Look, loves ... can anyone not involved in this scene, please leave the set. (he starts to herd out anyone not in First War costume) Now! Come on please. Anyone not concerned in this scene, the canteen's open upstairs. (sheikh, male mermaid etc. troop off) Now come on please. (to soldiers) Sorry loves. Sorry. We'll have to take it again, from the top. All fight. OK... Cue! tBack to identical shot of harmonica-playing tommy; he plays a few bars. tCAPTION: 'KNICKERS 1914' tCut to long shot. The floor manager rushes on again. The caption remains superimposed. Floor Manager tHold it. Hold it. Now, who changed the caption? Can whoever changed the caption put the right one back immediately please.

by Anonymousreply 8906/13/2014

CAPTION: 'YPRES 1914' Floor Manager tRight. All right, we'll take it again from the top. Cue. (back to identical shot of harmonica-playing tommy with caption superimposed; slow pull out as before, then floor manager rushes on again) Hold it. Hold it. (he goes behind some sandbags looking extremely irritated) Come on. Come on, out of there. (he hauls a spaceman and hustles him off the set) You're not in this ... you're only holding the whole thing up. (turning to studio as a whole) Come on please. It's no good, loves. It's no good. We'll have to leave it for now. Come back when everyone's settled down a bit. So-that means we go over to the Art Room, all right. So cue camera three! (cut to Che Guevara caught in a hot embrace with Karl Marx) Sorry, camera four. tCut to Art Gallery. A large sign says: 'Italian Masters of the Renaissance'. Two art critics wandering through. They stop in front of a large Titian canvas. The canvas is about ten foot high by six foot wide. First Critic tAren't they marvelous? The strength and boldness... life and power in those colours. Second Critic tThis must be Titian's masterpiece. First Critic tOh indeed - if only for the composition alone. The strength of those foreground figures ... the firmness of the line... Second Critic tYes, the confidence of the master at the height of his powers. tAt this point a man in a country smock and straw hat and a straw in his mouth comes up to the painting and with a very businesslike manner presses the nipple of a nude in the painting. Ding dong sound of a front doorbell. He stands tapping his feet and whistling soundlessly beside the painting. He nods at the critics. Cut to the top of the painting to see that one of the figures has disappeared leaving a blank. The camera pans down the painting as we hear footsteps; as if coming down a lot of stone steps. Eventualy the camera comes to rest beside where the country bumpkin is standing and a door opens in the painting. We do, not see who has opened it, but can assume it is the cherub. Cherub tYes? Bumpkin tHello sonny, your dad in? Cherub tYes. Bumpkin tCould I speak to him please? It's the man from 'The Hay Wain'. Cherub tWho? Bumpkin tThe man from 'The Hay Wain' by Constable. Cherub tDad... it's the man from 'The Hay Wain' by Constable to see you. Solomon tComing. tSound of footsteps. Cut to another close up on the painting and we see the main figure disappearing. This figure suddenly puts his head round the door. Solomon tHello? How are you? Come on in. Bumpkin tNo, no can't stop, just passing by, actually. Solomon tOh, where are you now? Bumpkin tWell may you ask. We just been moved in next to a room full of Brueghels ... terrible bloody din. Skating all hours of the night. Anyway, I just dropped in to tell you there's been a walk-out in the Impressionists. Solomon tWalk-out, eh? Bumpkin tYeah. It started with the 'Déjeuner Sur L'Herbe' lot, evidently they were moved away from above the radiator or something. Anyway, the Impressionists are all out. Gainsborough's Blue Boy's brought out the eighteenth-century English portraits, the Flemish School's solid, and the German woodcuts are at a meeting now. Solomon tRight. Then I'll get the Renaissance School out. Bumpkin tOK, meeting 4.30 - 'Bridge at Arles'. Solomon tOK, cheerio - good luck, son. Bumpkin tOK. tThe door shuts and we hear Solomon's voice over. Solomon tRight - everybody out. tWe see various famous paintings whose characters suddenly disappear. Voices tI'm off. I'm off. I'm off, dear. (etc.)

by Anonymousreply 9006/13/2014

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by Anonymousreply 9106/13/2014

R86-91 needs mental health intervention.

Please, go back on to your meds.

by Anonymousreply 9206/16/2014

Everything about libertarianism these days is a fraud.

One of the Koch Brothers ran as a Libertarian for President decades ago. That should tell you all you need to know about how repugnant libertarianism and libertarians are.

by Anonymousreply 9311/20/2014

All the Wall Streeters and big business types today would have appeared as looters in Atlas Shrugged, including Romney, Rauer, and Scott. Of course, the book is nonsensical. No capitalist like Hank Reardon would have turned down the blank check offered him by the State Science Institute.

by Anonymousreply 9411/20/2014

All libertarianism is a fraud. All conservatism is a fraud. All Republicanism is a fraud.

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