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Why The Stoli Boycott is Ridiculous

Stoli has nothing to do with Putin. It is he who should be the object of protests not a private company.

It isnsuch an infantile response. Do you think Stoli influences Putin's policies? It does not.

The reaction is like OMM boycotting Modern Family. Stupid

People pick Stoli because it's the only Russian product they know.

Protest Putin. The Russian government ....

Imagine if people around the world protested American products because of all the people killed in the Middle East wars...what good is that? Hurting the livelihood of workers?

Grow up.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 15601/07/2014

OP's name pretty much tells you everything you need to know about how wrong she is about the boycott. It's smart, it's right, and it's on.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 107/31/2013

What we should be doing is encouraging athletes to wear signs of support.

Twenty years ago pre-Ellen, we were able to get people in my law school to wear pink triangle buttons - Silence = Death - to protest DADT after a sailor was stomped to death. Our protest against DADT was huge.

What is wrong with creativity in activism? We're gay - aren't we supposed to be creative?

Now if we could get gay athletes to come out - or make out - in Russia, that would be fantastic ;)

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 207/31/2013

Gee R1... You really present a compelling argument.

Your GED is only months away!

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 307/31/2013

The boycott is ridiculous for several reasons.

First, it will have NO effect on Russian policy towards gays. Russia doesn't give a flying fuck what we think of them. The boycott is little more than a vanity project for a few gay men and women who need more to do with their lives.

Also, the Stolichnaya vodka sold outside Russia is produced in LATVIA, not RUSSIA. Such inattention to rather important details as that make us look silly.

Finally, gays boycotting booze just reinforces the opinion that we're all a bunch of alcoholics.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 407/31/2013

It's not about the product. The boycott grabs media attention to the cause of GLBT people in Russia leading to...information on its policies and hopefully leading to larger sanctions and boycotts.

I suppose OP would prefer people protest at the Russian consulate but the fact is commodity makes news not the thousands of political protests that occur daily at (choose your consulate here).

Or else she has stock in Stoli.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 507/31/2013

Its not about affecting the Russian economy, it is simply about raising awareness here and in Russia.

My BF and I were on the patio at a gay bar in the West Village. The chalkboard in front of the bar had something written on it about the Vodka boycott and then it said "F*ck Russia!"

I hadn't even noticed it until my BF saw a guy and 2 girls ( well dressed for a night out) stop and look at the sign. One girl was visibly upset. My BF said, "Come here, I'll tell you what its about".

Turns out they were Russian tourists. My BF explained the boycott and why the bar tenders had written that. The guy nodded and said he knew about Russian anti-gay laws but the girls had no idea this was even going on.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 607/31/2013

"Also, the Stolichnaya vodka sold outside Russia is produced in LATVIA, not RUSSIA. Such inattention to rather important details as that make us look silly."

It's still a Russian based company.

Most Levis are produced in China, does it make Levis a Chinese company?

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 707/31/2013

[quote]It's still a Russian based company.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 807/31/2013

Boycott the Olympics. It'd be nice if athletes started walking. But then the Russians would win everything. Like they normally do.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 907/31/2013

It's a top story today.

Now a lot of people who wouldn't otherwise have known about it know.

The boycott might not hit Russians in the pocketbook but it's a lot of bad publicity.

That's why the boycott is effective.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 1007/31/2013

It is stupid and basically points out that gays like to go out and get drunk.

It is all about Dan Savage getting an extra second tacked on to his 15 minutes.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 1107/31/2013

"It is stupid and basically points out that gays like to go out and get drunk."

Victim mentality much?

what do you think straight people do all weekend (but in sluttier clothing)?

It's really the only Russian product anyone can boycott (since natural resources are actually its main export).

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 1207/31/2013

Russia's new laws have been circulating for months now but what got the press interested was the boycott. If not buying stuff is all we end up doing then yes, it's pretty pathetic. All this media coverage has now got to be turned into some meaningful action.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 1307/31/2013

Stoli boycott bringing awareness is BS...Putin's anti-LG policies have been top top stories...because of the Olympics...front page...

But then again I don't read People or the Enquirer where some of you get your news.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 1408/02/2013

I agree the boycott is stupid and hurts a company that has supported the gay community for years.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 1508/02/2013

'Boycotts don't work' is the idiotic notion of people like OP who have no concept of the history of the civil rights movement.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 1608/02/2013

OMG! A gay boycott!

Make it stop!

UNCLE! UNCLE!

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 1708/02/2013

I think it's great when consumers want to exercise their muscles in the marketplace with a boycott.

But how stupid are you to suggest the boycott is legitimate because the vodka has a Russian name - and will bring attention to the problem?

If anything this ridiculous boycott shows how ignorant people can be.

You want to boycott something - organize a boycott of the advertising sponsors of the Olympics. Go after NBC, AT&T, General Motors.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 1808/02/2013

R18, NBC, AT&T, and GM have fuck all to do with Russia.

The idea is to garner publicity, not impact anyone's bottom line, as if a gay boycott of any of those companies would have a noticeable financial impact.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 1908/02/2013

Remember the orange juice boycott? Not one orange grove owner went broke? It didn't make a dent in their profits.

IT GOT HATE-MONGER ANITA BRYANT FIRED!!!!!!

Boycott's work!

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 2008/02/2013

It's NOT about a financial impact, you morons. It's about bringing attention to what's happening to gays in Russia.

It's NOT about the gays trying to make Russia go broke. Duh! It's putting a spotlight on their hate.

It's NOT about making NBC go broke. It's about letting NBC know that the anti-gay Russian laws need media attention.

It's NOT about making Coke or Nike or GM or any sponsors lose money. It's about a threatened boycott in order to have them telling NBC they want to see NBC news coverage of the anti-gay laws in Russia.

Ignore the idiotic blatherings of the OP. We've known she's been a DL crackpot for more than a decade.

And the next time some mental midget tells you Stoli isn't made in Russia, remind them that Stoli buys ALL their wheat from farms south of Moscow; and that's not Moscow, Idaho.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 2108/02/2013

[quote]Boycott's work!

Oh, dear!

...and who are we trying to get fired? Putin?

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 2208/02/2013

[quote]...and who are we trying to get fired? Putin?

Yes, hon, we all believe a boycott will get Putin fired. Pass it on, please.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 2308/02/2013

R19 - well you're getting lots of publicity. About how stupid it is to boycott something that isn't Russian to protest Russian policy.

You clearly don't understand how this works.

You honestly don't think multinational companies which are supporting and sponsoring the Olympics have nothing to do with Russia? They have no leverage? What country do you live in - not the US if you don't know the impact corporations have on public policy.

You know why everyone likes this? Because it is easy. Really easy if you don't drink vodka. Even if you do - switch to Absolut.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 2408/02/2013

Vlad the Gay-basher

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 2508/02/2013

Boycott NBC? But, I want to watch The Voice! At&T? My whole phone/cable bundle is on AT&T and I don;t want to change it. If I don't buy GM cars, more black people in Detroit will be put out of work and will contribute to the woes of the city.Don't ask me to give up those things! I won't!

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 2608/03/2013

[quote]Don't ask me to give up those things! I won't!

More like a straight persons reality. Im gay and I dont watch the Voice, dont have an ATT phone bundle or GM car. Those are all Frau and Bro things.

Switch to Virgin Mobil much cheaper.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 2708/03/2013

Just drink Svedka Vodka with your seltzer and lime. It's cheaper and tastes fine.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 2808/03/2013

r20 nails it.

And no matter what gay people do in the face of oppression, there's ALWAYS some bitter OP standing by the sidelines carping at how ineffective it is.

We had to listen to it NON-STOP about the marriage movement.... until it became clear we were winning and then those voices finally died down.

"Here's why gay people are oppressed. It's your own fault, and you're ineffective."

There. I said it for every last protest/action/court case in the future so now you don't have to bother anymore, OP and others.

Don't want to participate in the boycott? Whatever. Have a more effective idea? Great! Get out there and start doing it. No one is chaining your ass in front of the computer, dearie.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 2908/03/2013

The boycott can be effective if done with other things. Writing to the Russian embassy, letting NBC know how you feel, and possibly boycotting other sponsors.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 3008/03/2013

Yes, R30, it all helps draw attention to the situation. Though I didn't write the Russian embassy, I did contact NBC and also signed petitions to the sponsors and to the White House. Links to all those petitions are scattered throughout the various threads on the topic.

Anyone with at least half a brain knows a boycott like this isn't meant to deprive Russia of money. Its purpose is to draw attention to the homophobia enacted into law by the Russian government. Russia isn't the only homophobic nation BUT the fact that they landed the Olympics provides an opportunity to bring worldwide attention to their hate for gays. It's easy to comprehend but DCC just won't get it.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 3108/03/2013

The boycott is raising awareness, and that is the best thing.

I do believe the Russian government will take notice if Russian corporations suffer as a result of the boycott. If we can leverage this into having some effect on the Olympics, even better.

Boycotts are complicated but they do work in the end. It's not as simple as A+B = C, but boycotts raise awareness and grab attention. The battle for public opinion is half the war.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 3208/03/2013

The boycott seems to be working fine. It's putting the spotlight on Russia and their anti gay propaganda laws. The story is getting picked up by the main press more & more where before it was pretty much ignored except by the gay sites.

The Olympics committee has been forced to take notice and make statements where before they were pretty much in hiding. Russia is aware enough of what's going on that the boycott is being reported in at least the english version of the State run Russian papers.

It's a start. I'm not sure the reason for the flurry of nervous nelly posts claiming it's so ineffective. I'm beginning to wonder if these people work for Stoli.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 3308/03/2013

Johnny Weir is on CNN right now milking this publicity for all its worth.

It's not like he is going to make the Olympic Team

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 3408/03/2013

The grape boycott worked, the orange juice boycott worked ~ hit 'em where it hurts in the pocket book

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 3508/03/2013

I'm NOT a propagandist! -Johnny Weir on CNN

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 3608/03/2013

Besides Svedka is a better buy and just as good. Stoli ought to be boycotted simply because it is an overpriced inferior product in addition to coming from a homophobic culture

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 3708/03/2013

Yes, lets bash an out gay man for speaking out about this as "milking it".

Our community is our own worst enemy sometimes.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 3808/03/2013

R38 He is not 'speaking' for the community. He is exploiting the situation to put HIMSELF in the spotlight,

It is ALL ABOUT HIM

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 3908/03/2013

We should boycott all Russian exports, including vodka.

Such actions did help to end apartheid in South Africa.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 4008/03/2013

Let's all go out and get drunk, but not on Stoli, that will show them.

Oh wait - it hasn't, their laughing as we hurt a country that doesn't actively persecute gays.

Good plan.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 4108/03/2013

Svedka is lighter fluid, more suitable for cleaning jewelry than drinking.

If you want to drink non-Russian no matter where in the supply chain (ingredients, distillation, distribution, marketing), the best quality premium vodka is Ketel One. Absolut is still a good quality, and the flavored ones use all natural ingredients (unlike Stoli). Finlandia is underrated and one of the better price/value relationships. People rave about 42 Below, but I wasn't impressed.

I left the Polish ones out because they're a bunch of fucking homophobes, too. Latvia no better. Best to just boycott the whole Eastern European bunch.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 4208/03/2013

How drunk are you right now, R41?

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 4308/03/2013

The Poles ARE homophobes but at least there's not law in Poland like the one in Russia.

So I'll recommend Sobieski -- a delicious rye vodka made in Poland.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 4408/03/2013

"Boycott's work!"

So does proper punctuation, dear.

The Latvian branch of Stoli has defied a homophobic government by supporting the LGBT employees. They also helped organize Baltic Pride, which suffered a lot of antigay violence.

Stuart Milk, the nephew of Harvey Milk, was just there helping that tiny community organize.

Stoli isn't an Olympic sponsor. Just because they buy ads in gay magazines and promote events in gay bars isn't a reason NOT to boycott them.

The fact that they have nothing to do with ANY antigay policies is reason enough to focus on the true targets; the conglomos who support the corrupt IOC and the duplicitous NBC broadcast of the Olympics.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 4508/03/2013

Please get back to us, hon, when Stoli is no longer buying 100% of their wheat from Russia.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 4608/03/2013

[r41] learn grammar and I'll listen

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 4708/03/2013

The boycott is symbolic but is very effective activism.

The MSM was doing their "...la,la,la,I can't hear you..." schtick before bars started pouring Stoli into the gutters.

As far as the Stoli being a Latvian product why haven't the Latvians been pushing that rather than their carefully cultivated image of Stolichnya being a premium RUSSIAN vodka?

A little late now,I'd say.

Anyway,for the most part latvians are a nasty bunch as well and as for being such a good friend of the Gays Stoli-Latvia sure kept their mouths shut about the horrific abuses in Russia until the boycott.

And now Stoli is our staunchest ally!! Will wonders never cease?

I see their CEO has been in the media cheerleading for his pro-gay corporation. I hope he realizes that the Russian legislation also applies to straight people as well.

Being pro gay and saying it out loud can get you jailed.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 4808/03/2013

The dialogue doesn't need parsing or translation. We need action.

This is very upsetting, but saying and doing nothing other than oh my on the internet makes us all bystanders.

The transsexual who sewed her mouth shut is a topic for wit and ridicule here on another thread. That was an act of protest, extreme or not. Brave.

It is time to use the internet and social media to apply pressure and support dissent. Rachel Maddow cannot stop this nor should she be expected too. I admire Harvey Fierstein for his insistence and persistence, he should not be ridiculed. He is not a diplomat. No one out here is either. We have opinions and uneasiness in our guts. There is outrage and sorrow and a sense of powerlessness. Fatigue.

Join Amnesty International and don't call me naive or stupid. Boycott all Russian Voldka and travel. Write the IOC and wait for petitions to sign. CC your congressman, but focus on gay and human rights organizations.

Don't expect Obama to ignite a cold war over this issue. There are many other countries where gay men are in great danger. Pragmatically for politicians and some media, this is not going to be their fight for some time.

WE have to help our brothers and sisters. Susan Sarandon and Cyndi Lauper, Richard Gere, Elton John, Bill Gates and lots of others will speak out. But this situation demands the protest of all gay people who are free. There is always an underground. Don't stand by and do nothing. No interpretation is required.

People like to think that Hitler would not flourish in the time of the internet. I am not so sure? Knowing what is happening and only commenting on atrocities makes one complicit. Never agreeing with anyone and allowing no one to be a leader or spokesperson in situations that require one makes the world move slower, not faster. We see this everywhere. ACT UP!

I am preaching and apologize, but some things are not jokes. I am involved. It is better to know that you did something, no matter how futile than to treat such regressive discrimination as just this month's topic for discussion. This situation will get much worse. There are other areas in the world that require just as much of our attention if we truly care about "GAY" rights. They are human rights, no?

Take the time to put your thoughts into formal protest. Send it. Then give some spiritual energy if you believe in it. People need it.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 4908/03/2013

[quote]I am preaching and apologize, but some things are not jokes.

Please don't feel you need to apologize. You're right in target. We need to make a lot of noise to wake up gays around the globe as well as the media.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 5008/03/2013

R47 - huh?

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 5108/03/2013

[r41] no one takes inarticulate people seriously "their laughing"

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 5208/03/2013

An obvious notice to Russia:

To commemorate Stockholm Pride 2013, the U.S. Embassy in Sweden is flying the rainbow flag beneath the American flag, according to a post on the Embassy's Facebook page.

Mark Brzezinski, the U.S. ambassador to Sweden, posted a heartfelt note on his blog Thursday explaining why he was proud to raise the rainbow flag to celebrate Stockholm Pride from July 26 - August 4.

"For me, this is about love," wrote the ambassador on Thursday. "Love is one of the most basic human instinctual feelings one can have. It’s what I felt the day I got married and another human being and I committed ourselves to each other; it’s also what I felt when I witnessed the birth of my daughter. How can one deny that feeling, and the practical expression of that, from another human being?"

Ambassador Brzesinski, who is married to a woman, also made note of the recent advances toward LGBT equality in America, spurred by the landmark ruling in favor of marriage equality at the Supreme Court, and President Obama's outspoken support for marriage equality and LGBT rights. But the ambassador stressed that the nation's work is not yet done.

"We must stamp out homophobia and transphobia," wrote Brzezsinki. "We must stand up against intolerance and discrimination and fight for the right for people to love whom they choose and live their lives happily, openly, and proudly."

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 5308/03/2013

R52 - you need to look up the definition of inarticulate.

Once you have done that explain exactly how typing "their" instead of "they're" prevented your understanding.

Then go on and support your conclusion that no one takes inarticulate people seriously.

Explain how if R47 intended to "listen" it would matter whether "their", "there" or "they're" was typed.

But - if it makes you feel better about yourself to criticize someone for a typo - knock yourself out.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 5408/03/2013

"Please get back to us, hon, when Stoli is no longer buying 100% of their wheat from Russia. "

Please get back to us when you stop consuming Coca-Cola and McDonalds, when you stop using ATT, VISA and all of the Olympic sponsors.

And don't get back to us until you completely boycott Trader Joe's and every other supermarket that sells Monsanto-approved GMO products.

The vodka pour was a photo opp, and a good one. Move on. Get real. Attack the IOC and somebody please, please bitchslap Bob Costas!

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 5508/03/2013

Apparently R45 R55 didn't like to be reminded that Stoli buys all their wheat from Russia. His silly demands to those of us who already don't enjoy Coke, don't eat fast food and have never been inside a Trader Joe's are more than pathetic. Like I'm going to drive a hundred miles to shop at a Trader Joe's when there's a farmers market two blocks away. I don't think so. Let's see what kind of blah-blah-blah this gets from him.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 5608/03/2013

It is ridiculous. Mostly a bunch of clueless old-school gays that think that, because the Florida orange juice boycott and Coors boycott actually meant something, so must this Stoli boycott. But thise boycotts were actually related to the companies/industries that were part of the problem. It'd be like someone in another country boycotting Ford to protest American human rights abuses.

It almost seems like clueless nationalism. Like someone thought of the first Russian company they could, and would figure out their rationale ("they get wheat from the Motherland!! Wheat, people!!!") later.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 5708/03/2013

R57 - I think the Stoli boycott is wrong.

But "old-school gays"?

Do a reality check. It's not old-school gays who are going to bars and ordering Stoli.

This is young gay men who want to think they are doing something by switching their drink of choice.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 5808/03/2013

Everyone has to stop calling the boycott "effective". An effective boycott means changing public policy. The Stoli boycott by some gay bars has zero chance of influencing Russia, it will make no difference there whatsoever.

It CAN make you feel better, like you're doing something, and help you "take a stand". That's fine, it's a horrible situation and we naturally want to feel better or involved. But that is not an effective boycott.

The biggest thing, to me, will be whether NBC covers this issue in TV segments, whether they discuss the implications if athletes wear rainbow pins. Historically they have shied away from anything LGBT; 2012 they actually mentioned Matthew Mitcham was gay, compared to 2008 when the cameras would cut away when he got within 30 feet of his boyfriend. So I am hopeful that with the recent mainstream successes of the LGBT movement that NBC may see this as an acceptable and important news story. But the focus and pressure should be on NBC, not an LGBT-supportive alcohol company in Latvia

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 5908/03/2013

It would make as much sense if Germans boycotted M&M's to protest NSA surveillance

See how much sense that makes?

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 6008/03/2013

" His silly demands.."

What the fuck have you ever done to be so smug and superior-acting, bitch?

Show us pictures of YOUR protests and activism, instead of running your mouth about an ingredient in booze whose makers have never said or written anything antigay?

Do you feel good about taking your marching orders from the flippant Dan Savage and Cleve Jones, the unofficial widow of Harvey Milk?

You know nothing about the difficult and risky activism of Baltic Pride and Latvia's attempts to bring LGBT rights to their country.

Go dump your booze, you hypocrite. Ignore the duplicity of American countries and IOC, because you don't know shit about how to campaign against them, or any of the other much-needed boycotts in your own country.

Russian gays are going to be slaughtered while you carp about ingredients.

Satisfied, Miss Smug Cunt?

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 6108/03/2013

[quote] It would make as much sense if Germans boycotted M&M's to protest NSA surveillance

Money talks. In the UK during equal marriage debates, one man pointed out that passing the bill would be good for business. Not the best reason ever for granting equality, but it made sense and it made people listen.

I think the boycott is fine as long as that's not all there is. Just like it's easy to not be a fat pig by visiting Chik Fil A, it's easy to not drink one of hundreds of brands of vodka. If the boycott is all that happens then it'll be as effective as the Occupy movement.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 6208/03/2013

[quote]It would make as much sense if Germans boycotted M&M's to protest NSA surveillance

Perhaps you didn't notice that the Germans were very much aware of the NSA surveillance and didn't need an M&M boycot to alert people or get media attention. Duh!

The Stoli boycott has been effective in bringing needed attention to the draconian homophobic laws enacted in Russia.

You would have to be a total fool to claim the intention of the boycott was to have Putin removed from office.

You would have to be the villiage idiot to claim the intention of the boycott was to cause a huge money loss to Russia.

When you see a moron posting "The Stoli boycott by some gay bars has zero chance of influencing Russia..." it's obvious he doesn't have the intelligence to comprehend that the boycott is aimed to raise public awareness of the gay bashing in Russia.

Russia wants to put on a good face with their Winter Olympics. The Stoli boycott, along with other threatened boycotts, will clearly show the ugly face of Russia.

You can be certain that NBC news and sports people are already wringing their hands over the situation and are in talks of how to deal with this. Increased threatened boycotts will push NBC into providing needed coverage.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 6308/04/2013

You guys are making it sound like the NBC news is running the 'Stoli boycott' as its first story. Has it been featured anywhere other than gay blogs?

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 6408/04/2013

"Russia wants to put on a good face with their Winter Olympics. The Stoli boycott, along with other threatened boycotts, will clearly show the ugly face of Russia. "

So, why not boycott Persian rugs to protest Arab and Muslim homophobia? It makes as much sense, i.e none.

Stoli has nothing to do with the Olympics. A few gay bars in three cities (New York, WeHo and Chicago) allowed quickie publicity stunts.

This is not Coors. Stoli is not antigay, while other Russian vodkas remain completely indifferent, yet "activists" claim that attacking a brand that's been supportive is the best move.

Boycotting NBC (and thereby GE and Comcast) is too enormous, perhaps. so activists are too afraid to tackle them.

But I refuse to follow the dictates of a self-appointed "leader" like Dan Savage, who claims to be the initiator of the Stoli boycott.

"Has it been featured anywhere other than gay blogs?"

Many mainstream publications have covered it, but it's a quick photo opp, and will soon be abandoned out of media ADD.

Some news coverage is taking on the larger issue, and protests at Russian consulates.

But more articles and features (NPR, Time, CNN) are distracted by the discord over whether the vodka boycott is even relevant.

Even gay athletes are divided, some going, and others saying a boycott would hurt them.

Why are we supposed to boycott booze and the games, when no athlete has come forward to say he or she isn't going?

This is all going to give the winter Olympics a huge ratings boost, because of the negative PR.

And no reasonable person should think that the events are going to be moved to Vancouver with only months to prepare.

And finally, what of the after-effects? Human rights abuses will continue after the games, as they did in Greece and Beijing.

Meanwhile, you'll all be back to conjecturing about Henry Cavill's penis.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 6508/04/2013

R58, Dan Savage and his husband seem to be the most prominent pushers of this ban. Not exactly a new generation of gay...

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 6608/04/2013

[r66] Who is of a newer generation who has a voice, moron?

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 6708/04/2013

[quote]So, why not boycott Persian rugs to protest Arab and Muslim homophobia? It makes as much sense, i.e none.

Which Arab nation is going to host the Olympics next year? Let us know and we'll get a protest going. Thanks for playing.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 6808/04/2013

[quote]But I refuse to follow the dictates of a self-appointed "leader" like Dan Savage, who claims to be the initiator of the Stoli boycott.

How pathetic that someone is obviously so jealous of Dan Savage.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 6908/04/2013

I agree with R69 -- being jealous of someone is natural. Being jealous of Dan Savage? Pathetic.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 7008/04/2013

"Which Arab nation is going to host the Olympics next year?"

Why are you and others limited your fury du jour to the Olympics when we've had more than a decade and trillions of dollars of global abuse in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Because it's not "trending."

"How pathetic that someone is obviously so jealous of Dan Savage. "

How pathetic that you reduce the argument, again, to such queeny idiocy? Are you really going to follow this relentlessly self-promoting talking head's every dictate? Are you that gullible?

Oh, sorry; you are.

Go back to your Olive Garden parody posts, you twit.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 7108/04/2013

[quote] Are you really going to follow this relentlessly self-promoting talking head's every dictate?

Ha! You're really, really jealous.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 7208/04/2013

Ha! You're really really stupid, and a mindless dupe for licking his ass.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 7308/04/2013

Don't boycott our allies! Boycott the Olympics!

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 7408/04/2013

All of your pussies stink.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 7508/04/2013

"The first problem, though, with the campaign is that it was launched by Westerners without actually talking to any activists inside Russia.

The second problem is that Stoli is not Russian. They were thinking of Vladimir Putin’s evil-twin Russian Stoli vodka.

When confronted with this fact, the Dump Stoli group responded by saying that Stoli’s owner is ethnically Russian (without noting that he’s on the run from Russia because Vladimir Putin wants to take his company).

But then, they protested that Stoli deserves a boycott because it says “Russian Vodka” on the label. But, that’s marketing (and it actually hasn’t said that in about seven years). That’s like protesting T.G.I. Friday’s because it serves German chocolate cake.

But, then they complained that Stoli uses some Russian ingredients…just like Coca-Cola uses some Russian ingredients in the products that it sells throughout Russia. Actually, Coca-Cola operates up to 16 plants in the Russian Federation while employing over 13,000 people there (and claiming its supply chain employs up to 130,000 people). But, no one is calling on gays to dump Fanta and Sprite and certainly not Diet Coke.[4]

“Whatever,” Dan Savage and his ‘Dump Stoli’ friends responded. “At the end of the year Stoli will be a Russian company again.” Well…not exactly. A court in the Hauge ruled that the Stoli brand in the Netherlands, Luxemburg, and Belgium did belong to the Russian Federation. So, it could be possible that Putin could be selling his zombie Stoli vodka in those three countries soon (but, just there). But, it’s still unclear if that will happen. We’ll wait to see what the legal experts have to say.[8]

“Well,” people like Savage say. “Stoli has never hidden its Russian roots and actually embraces them.” Yes, that’s correct. You can say the same thing for Cuban exile Gloria Estefan who has never hidden her Cuban roots, embraces them, and has capitalized on being Cuban. Yet, it would be unfair to target Estefan for the policies of the Castro brothers in Cuba. In fact, as a Cuban exile, Estefan has been on of their largest critics – just as Yuri Sheffler, as a Russian exile, has been one of Putin’s largest critics.

Ok, ok. We get that Stoli’s owner has been in a decade-plus battle with Vladimir Putin and Putin has persecuted Stoli vodka literally to the ends of the Earth. But, as people like John Aravosis of AmericaBlog argue, if hurting Stoli and Yuri Sheffler is the price to pay to raise awareness for this issue, then that is a good thing. It’s drawing attention to the greater good. Actually, that is called scapegoating, and it is one of the most evil things you can do as a human being.

On Friday, the Latvian LGBT group MOZAIKA called on the ‘Dump Stoli’ group to stop their boycott as it is actually hurting Latvia and not Russia.[6]

When confronted with all of this, Dan Savage brushed it off saying that he couldn’t be bothered since he was on vacation.[7]

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 7608/05/2013

All that matters is that the Stoli boycott has turned a spotlight on the gay-hate being generated in Russia.

That's what counts and it's happening.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 7708/05/2013

77, you're a simpering little drone.

"Well, I've done MY part! Hmff!"

The fact that a few dozen barflies have switched to gin doesn't do jackshit.

The fact that most of you didn't know a thing about this oppression UNTIL the boycott PR stunts shows how useless it is.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 7808/05/2013

Dan Savage, whether he originated this boycott or not, is the public face of it. It's better to "fire off a flare gun" where SOMEONE will see it, and respond. Stoli is in no danger from going bankrupt, because a few dozen queens got their photos in a newspaper dumping Russian vodka out on the sidewalk. That wasn't the point, no one is stupid enough to believe that, one hopes? But the talk is a lot of places, and it grows daily. It's a damn sight better to do this, than nothing. Not many are coming to our aid. Three cheers to Harvey Firestein(sp?) as well. btw, have you noticed some American conservatives practically high-fiving Putin et al, for their passage of draconian measures? We're being bombarded from within and without, what would you have us do, be mute?

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 7908/05/2013

Thank you, R79.Good post. Op, you're living up to your fake last name in terms of logic. But then I remember you did that in terms of the election and same-sex marriage, too.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 8008/05/2013

OP is right and fuck the naysayers. Histrionics don't win wars (or help our gay and lesbian friends in Russia). But by all means, go ahead and boycott Latvian vodka.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 8108/05/2013

[quote]The fact that most of you didn't know a thing about this oppression UNTIL the boycott PR stunts shows how useless it is.

It's really pathetic that R78 is too stupid to realize that the boycott is working.

Prior to the boycott many didn't know about the oppression. As a result of the boycott, the word is spreading. People around the globe are hearing about it as a result of Dan Savage getting it into the news via a Stoli boycott.

If morons like r78 would stop sitting around with their thumbs up their ass and promote the boycott, it would increase awareness of the situation. Sadly they don't have the mental capacity to comprehend that the boycott is an instrument to gain attention to this oppression, NOT a means to make Stoli lose a few dollars.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 8208/05/2013

[quote]The fact that most of you didn't know a thing about this oppression UNTIL the boycott PR stunts shows how useless it is.

Uh, that would seem to show it's working at raising awareness, dimwit.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 8308/05/2013

[quote]But by all means, go ahead and boycott Latvian vodka.

R81 is a cousin of Miss Teen South Carolina and never heard of "the Latvia" until the Stoli boycott.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 8408/05/2013

All the bitter old queens on here carping about the ineffectiveness of this particular boycott should channel their incredible know-how (snicker) and bitch-energy they've spilled here into doing something they imagine would be more effective.

No one is chaining your ass to your chair. Get out there and do something since you clearly seem to have the secret knowledge to solve this problem with one fell swoop. Thanks, cunts.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 8508/05/2013

"...the boycott is working."

Really, jackwad cunt? Putin surrendered? Homophobia stopped? The Olympics moved to Vancouver?

It's a STUNT. By next week, no corporate media will be discussing it.

Because fagotinos like you will NEVER follow through. Your attention span will be back to your drag shows and interior design webpages, and your snippy distaste for stacked books.

I've been working with Russian activists for three years, you cheese-dicked little flatulent dolt.

THEY don't want a boycott.

But god forbid you listen to THEM from your lounge in WeHo.

Gewt off YOUR ass, you shitlicking asskissing moron.

"Dan Savage said so!" - You idiot.

I've been doing gay activism for DECADES.

And I'm sick of flippant cuntz like you and self-promoting blatherface Dan Savage dictating HOW to do it.

This is NOT Coors.

This is NOT Anita Bryant/orange juice.

It's chickenshits like Savage who do not have the guts to initiate a boycott against the SPONSORS OF THE OLYMPICS, you dumb fuck.

VISA.

MCDONALD'S.

NBC.

COKE.

Why not? Why are you refusing to see this?

Because Savage is too chickenshit to advocate that, OR ELSE HE WON'T GET ON TV again!

You stupid little weasel.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 8608/05/2013

Types fatassed do-nothing R85, from her chair.

Pot/kettle, cuntlette.

Russia is cowering in fear now that you've switched to gin.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 8708/05/2013

Bigoted gay-hating str8 cunts like R86 have ruined DL. Back to Reddit for me.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 8808/05/2013

"str8"

You're a clueless little cowardly weasel, 88. One simple trolldar would show you I'm a bigger homo than you could ever aspire to be.

You and your ilk are the clueless idiots of the gay ghetto, who have no clue, and join in lockstep for any "Trend" of the moment.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 8908/05/2013

Wow. Learn to read, r86. I said that it's WORKING AT RAISING AWARENESS. And this is by your own admission, dimwit.

If a political action doesn't instantly solve all world problems and put an end to hunger in the blink of an eye, you'd be sitting on the sidelines carping that it's not working.

And if you know the way to instantly make Putin step down, set all Russian gays free, and move the Olympics to another place, you're holding out on us. Stupid faggot.

"VISA.

MCDONALD'S.

NBC.

COKE."

What. So it's impossible to boycott these things while this other boycott exists? You have to destroy this boycott before starting any other? Really. You're such an effective political activist (snicker). Get to it. Organize boycotts of those things. Show us all how effective you can be. Or has Dan Savage personally glued your ass to the chair in front of the computer making this action impossible? Is he forcing you to shriek on this thread instead of organizing boycotts? Hmmm?

As someone else pointed out up thread... For you, this is obviously mostly about Dan Savage... and that's just. So. Fucking. Pathetic.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 9008/05/2013

And btw, r86 you certainly haven't shown your "political effectiveness" here.

You've simply appeared to others as a shrieking angry queen with a chip on her shoulder about Dan Savage. If your aim was to convince others of the ineffectiveness of this boycott and to persuade them to engage in others, you are a complete and total political failure.

But the irony of your shrieking about how politically astute and effective you are is lost on you, isn't it?

Political effectiveness involves a smart deployment of available resources, good communication, organization of people, persuasiveness, reasoned arguments, and charisma. You've demonstrated none of these btw.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 9108/05/2013

I nominate Harvey Fierstein and Dan Savage for gay sainthood. Harvey's editorial in the NY Times followed by Dan Savage's call for the Stoli boycott truly woke up the gay community. It's amazing to see how more and more people are speaking out against the Russian gay-bashing that they didn't even notice two weeks ago. Full credit has to go to Firestein and Savage for getting the ball rolling.

HRC is jumping into the fray today. HRC's Anne Crowley writes: "To get a guarantee of security for athletes and visitors – and to call out the shocking treatment of LGBT Russians – we have to make enough noise that the IOC can't ignore us."

HRC is asking people to co-sign a letter to the IOC stating: "The IOC must strongly condemn the Russian Federation's crackdown. Further, the IOC must get Russian President Putin to put it in writing that ALL visitors and athletes will be safe during the Olympic Games."

"The IOC cannot rely on backroom promises from unnamed Russian government officials. The law that's in question would threaten imprisonment and deportation for any visitor convicted of promoting equality," says Crowley.

"That means a person could be arrested in Russia for something as benign as wearing an HRC t-shirt.

"And while the IOC has so far tried to allay concerns about safety during the Olympics, we need them to do MUCH more – starting with a clear condemnation of Russia's actions against its own people to date."

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 9208/05/2013

If you're against the Stoli boycott, contact all your friends and tell them why.

If you're for the Stoli boycott, contact all your friends and tell them why.

Every time you post for or against the boycott, it provides information to more people about the draconian laws in Russia.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 9308/06/2013

No, R93. It just shows the continued cat-scratching infighting going on about whether or not to boycott Stoli.

Boycotting ALL Russian goods would be better.

I have yet to see any of you smug anti-Stoli folks doing anything else but patting yourselves on the back for forwarding cheap vodka-dump photo ops on Facebook, if that.

Have any of your joined in with even stupider "dildo-send?" Yep, queens are claiming to mail Putin dildos.

Yes, nothing says, "Don't be homophobic" better than denigrating the use of sex-positive toys as an insult.

Of course, the pro-Dan Savage drones shouldn't be critiquing homophobia in other countries, since they enjoy it here.

After all, Dan Savage got his first claim to fame with a (completely absurd and un-researched) sex column title "HEY FAGGOT!"

Since you're all such sycophantic adherents to Dan, FAGGOTS, you'd have no problem being called FAGGOTS, right, YOU FAGGOTS?

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 9408/06/2013

And another things; actually several more things.

Nearly 100 reps & congressoids have signed some document saying that Putin's behaving badly!

Good. What will it accomplish?

Let's pretend this all eventually trickled up.

Do you really think Sec. of State Kerry or Obama have the right to tell a foreign country which laws to enact? Aren't we supposed to be fighting for democracy as the unofficial global police?

What has the Obama admin. done to fight antigay violence in countries we've invaded? Nothing.

As to the "Awareness" meme:

What the fuck do any of you think "raising awareness" will do?

Are you the same simpering queens who thought red ribbons did anything, except to give celebs an easy though-free way to show support for "the gays" and AIDS on press lines and at awards shows?

We know that kids are being assaulted and killed. THEY want us to know that. So what do we do, but perpetuate the fame and popularity of these videotaped violent acts!

Putin and his underlings are feasting in this PR. 75% of Russians LIKE the new anti-gay law.

And they're getting more extreme, proposing public whippings.

Meanwhile, U.S. gays are doing PR stunts with booze.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 9508/06/2013

Thank you R94 for bumping this thread. Every bump affords a chance for more people to be aware of the situation for gays in Russia. It's also good to know that people involved in the Stoli boycott are posting it on Facebook.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 9608/06/2013

You're welcome.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 9708/06/2013

Oh, and when you're not polishing your pseudo-Crawford insults here, or regurgitating last week's useless pop culture gossip on Facebook, you might want to repost THIS image somewhere.

Boycott the REAL criminals.

But you won't, because you're useless, do-nothing queens and faghag fraus.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 9808/06/2013

Wow. r98 etc,

Even by DL standards, you are really off the chain.

Take your meds. Seriously.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 9908/06/2013

R94 - R98 is proving he can bash gays as well as any Russian. He could probably give them lessons in how to spread the hatred.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 10008/06/2013

R99, find some even OLDER tired cliches to spew, Mary.

R100, What's your problem, FAGGOT? Dan Savage got famous with his flippant column, HEY, FAGGOT! and you are doing his bidding.

What's your problem? Hmm, FAGGOT?

Just doing like your hero Dan!

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 10108/06/2013

[quote] tired cliches.... Mary.

The irony there is lost on you, isn't it?

And, dearie, the joke's still on you. The "meds" meme is an old DL canard that FITS in this case.

In all seriousness. Take a moment. Calm yourself. Take deep breath. Think:

There is likely some medication you were on not a long time ago, correct? When you were on it, things started to seem like they were getting better for you, correct? And then you decided, "Hey! I don't need these pills anymore!"

Trust us, hon. You do. Please contemplate getting back on.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 10208/06/2013

R102, your smug condescension is slitheringly banal, and utterly off-track. Nope, no meds, now or in the past. YOU, however should be due for a Snideness overdose any day.

Do you feel empowered to have this tiny corner of the universe in which to feign superiority?

Do you often trust in your delusional detective skills, whereby you imagine yourself able to peek through HTML code and actually SEE another person or their presumed "meds?"

Continue your fictive attacks, because that's all you know what to do.

Continue avoiding the real issue, that you're just a little gay drone queen.

Have another gin, and call yourself an "Activist."

Or better yet, stay in your pathetic realm of critiquing interior decorations and the menu at Olive Garden.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 10308/06/2013

"And btw, [R86] you certainly haven't shown your "political effectiveness" here."

Nor have you, you simpering nancy.

Oh, wait, I should use your hero Dan's preferred word: FAGGOT.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 10408/06/2013

[quote]Nope, no meds, now or in the past.

Then look into it, dear.

Seriously. You should know: you crossed the line from 'political debate' to 'rhubarb lady-level whack' very early on here. I'm not offended, I'm not angry. You're just a little touched. That's all.

Take care of yourself.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 10508/06/2013

R103 led the defense at Stonewall in holding off the National Guard tanks by bashing them with his parasol. His work for the gay community can only be compared to the great gay leader Ken Mehlman. He still points with pride to the night he worked as a barback at an HRC banquet when Joe Solmonese thanked him for putting an extra cherry in his cocktail.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 10608/06/2013

"the boycott is working."

R82, how is the boycott working? Is the Russian parliament retracting the legislation it recently passed on "gay propaganda"? Did Putin just sign a new law allowing western gay couples to adopt Russian orphans?

Raising awareness is great, but that can be also be done, and perhaps more effectively, with more appropriate targets.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 10708/06/2013

[quote]Raising awareness is great, but that can be also be done, and perhaps more effectively, with more appropriate targets.

Russia is the eventual target but you won't be able to comprehend that the boycott is effictively raising awareness, so get back to your phone calls to the Kremlin. No doubt they'll look forward to hearing from you again.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 10808/06/2013

R81 = Stoli PR / Marketing Director.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 10908/06/2013

The 'Kristallnacht' analogy is seeming more and more apt.

Random customers in upscale central Moscow restaurants are violently harassing even people suspected of being gay.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 11008/06/2013

[quote]OP is right and fuck the naysayers. Histrionics don't win wars. But by all means, go ahead and boycott Latvian vodka.

You point to an article that says Latvian is not made in Russia. But that is another marking trick. The other two brand made by the same company are made in Russia. So yes a boycott would be effective. Obviously, Stoli is busy posting here and elsewhere about "why your boycotts wont work"

Hey Stoli, about about directing that secret marketing plan back to your own country to change the laws instead of spending thousands of dollars trying to cover your ass on why you do nothing about gays in your own country.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 11108/06/2013

From inside Russia I can imagine this is a bit like how it might seem to Americans if Arabs boycotted Coca Cola as a protest against the US war in Iraq, demanding that the CEO of Coca Cola puts pressure on the US president to change his policy. Or Americans protesting French "anti-Americanism" by changing the name of French fries to freedom fries.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 11208/06/2013

The answer for Stoli is very simple.

All they have to do is say We Hear You, Here is our 5 point plan to battle homophobia in OUR country to end discrimination against the GLBT community.

But they need to fallow through immediately, talk is cheap. Ruffle some feathers with the Russian government and you will have global customers for life. Standby and watch as you claim boycott is misplaced and you will loose global customers for life.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 11308/06/2013

I can imagine the situation within Russia is much more complex than you imagine, r113 and it isn't so simple for a company to come out and make such demands. Not to mention, Stoli isn't a gay company and its sole concern is not gay rights. There are 100s of other apalling shitty political issues in Russia that need dealing with. If Stoli is going to take the anti-gay legislation on then will it also have to take on all the other ridiculous Russian legislation?

For all those who believe in bans and boycotts, do you also agree with the government putting sanctions on Russia? All US trade with Russia to be stopped?

What about the situation of gays in countries like Saudi Arabia, most of Africa, even China? Do you suggest boycotting their products too?

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 11408/06/2013

What about the FACT that it's Russia seeking positive worldwide media coverage via the Winter Olympics. Is that just too, too difficult to see why this upcoming event has them concerned about bad publicity at this time?

Did you not notice R114, that Saudi Arabia isn't hosting the Winter Olympics?

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 11508/06/2013

R114 = Stoli PR Again.

By your argument, no one should try to change anything or ever put pressure on any company because all of life is complicated.

Or if Stonewall were to happen today, gays and people should not support that because the police have a lot of other issues to deal with.

The Squeaky Wheel Gets the Grease. Right now, Russia is in the limelight. Maybe we can help our gay brothers and sisters while everyone is looking.

And later on, we can work on Saudi Arabia and China too. By the way, people did try to stop Saudi Arabia a few years ago.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 11608/06/2013

The boycott news has somehow gone beyond a few threads at the DataLounge despite objections from the two guys who are insanely jealous of Dan Savage.

It seems the President of the United States remarked during a TV chat on Tuesday: "I think Putin and Russia have a big stake in making sure the Olympics work.

"I think they understand that for most of the countries that participate in the Olympics, we wouldn't tolerate gays and lesbians being treated differently," said President Obama.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 11708/06/2013

Thank you R117. Once again the adult in the room speaks up.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 11808/06/2013

Dan Savage is such a slacktivist. It's better to be proactive than reactive....this Stoli boycott is completely about making us feel like we're doing something, not about helping any lgbtq folks in Russia

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 11908/06/2013

And all because R117 changed his drink order to a Mai Tai!

Ain't activism great?

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 12008/06/2013

You got a better idea R120? Let hear it, what is YOUR idea and how are YOU going to implement it?

Other then complain about other peoples ideas as you sit on your fat ass whining about the approach.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 12108/06/2013

OMG! You really think Obama said that because of Dan Savage and the "boycott"? Not to mention, Obama saying that may have no real effect on the Russian situation.

Deluded fools!

R121, believe it or not, the whole world does not rotate around what some people in America are saying or doing. But, certain actions more sensible than attacking an otherwise sympthetic company: in all countries, huge protests outside Russian embassies and consulates, more awareness raising campaigns, pressure on western politicians to put pressure on Russia (but, don't expect sweeping public condemnations, because they never work in diplomacy), send letters to all Russian MPs, solidarity events with Russian gays (neither they nor the Latvian gays support the boycotts).

Regarding the Olympics, protest to the IOC, protest to the sponsors. Let them know they have to think carefully about which cities they select. The Russians want to use the Olympics as a propaganda weapon and to feel good about themselves as a "modern" nation. Let them know they've failed.

Yes, use the Olympics as a focal point, but I'm wondering what the goal of the Stoli boycott is: to get the Games moved from Russia? Get Russia to change its anti-gay laws? Will the boycott continue until these goals are fulfilled? Perhaps one of you boycott supporters can tell us.

Dear fool at r116, I have nothing to do with Stoli, just saying this boycott is juvenile and will have no effect. If you believe in boycotts then presumably you believe the US should boycott Russia. Do you support economic sanctions against Russia?

Also, maybe keep things in perspective and realise that whatever people in the US do might have zero influence on legislation passed in the Russian Duma. Indeed, actions have to be considered carefully so as not to backfire and make them feel even more "patriotic" and intransigent. Don't forget, this anti-gay legislation has come in response to advances in gay marriage in western countries.

Things will take time to change and it will come as part of general cultural processes, not pouring Stoli down the drain.

The Sochi Olympics are not for another seven months. Does that mean we forget about homophobia in the rest of the world until then?

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 12208/07/2013

WTF?

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 12308/07/2013

r122 Relax, Mary. The boycott is accomplishing what it set out to do, or you wouldn't be so apoplectic. Many people ARE talking about what's going on in Russia, THAT'S the entire point of the boycott. As long as people ARE paying attention, then it will grow exponentially. What is so wrong with making this situation an "above the fold" news item?

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 12408/07/2013

r121/r124 talk some sense.

The anti-Savage troll is off her rocker.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 12508/07/2013

Boycott ALL things Russian.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 12608/07/2013

Stephen Fry August 7th, 2013

Dear Prime Minister, M Rogge, Lord Coe and Members of the International Olympic Committee,

I write in the earnest hope that all those with a love of sport and the Olympic spirit will consider the stain on the Five Rings that occurred when the 1936 Berlin Olympics proceeded under the exultant aegis of a tyrant who had passed into law, two years earlier, an act which singled out for special persecution a minority whose only crime was the accident of their birth. In his case he banned Jews from academic tenure or public office, he made sure that the police turned a blind eye to any beatings, thefts or humiliations afflicted on them, he burned and banned books written by them. He claimed they “polluted” the purity and tradition of what it was to be German, that they were a threat to the state, to the children and the future of the Reich. He blamed them simultaneously for the mutually exclusive crimes of Communism and for the controlling of international capital and banks. He blamed them for ruining the culture with their liberalism and difference. The Olympic movement at that time paid precisely no attention to this evil and proceeded with the notorious Berlin Olympiad, which provided a stage for a gleeful Führer and only increased his status at home and abroad. It gave him confidence. All historians are agreed on that. What he did with that confidence we all know.

Putin is eerily repeating this insane crime, only this time against LGBT Russians. Beatings, murders and humiliations are ignored by the police. Any defence or sane discussion of homosexuality is against the law. Any statement, for example, that Tchaikovsky was gay and that his art and life reflects this sexuality and are an inspiration to other gay artists would be punishable by imprisonment. It is simply not enough to say that gay Olympians may or may not be safe in their village. The IOC absolutely must take a firm stance on behalf of the shared humanity it is supposed to represent against the barbaric, fascist law that Putin has pushed through the Duma. Let us not forget that Olympic events used not only to be athletic, they used to include cultural competitions. Let us realise that in fact, sport is cultural. It does not exist in a bubble outside society or politics. The idea that sport and politics don’t connect is worse than disingenuous, worse than stupid. It is wickedly, wilfully wrong. Everyone knows politics interconnects with everything for “politics” is simply the Greek for “to do with the people”.

An absolute ban on the Russian Winter Olympics of 2014 on Sochi is simply essential. Stage them elsewhere in Utah, Lillyhammer, anywhere you like. At all costs Putin cannot be seen to have the approval of the civilised world.

He is making scapegoats of gay people, just as Hitler did Jews. He cannot be allowed to get away with it. I know whereof I speak. I have visited Russia, stood up to the political deputy who introduced the first of these laws, in his city of St Petersburg. I looked into the face of the man and, on camera, tried to reason with him, counter him, make him understand what he was doing. All I saw reflected back at me was what Hannah Arendt called, so memorably, “the banality of evil.” A stupid man, but like so many tyrants, one with an instinct of how to exploit a disaffected people by finding scapegoats. Putin may not be quite as oafish and stupid as Deputy Milonov but his instincts are the same. He may claim that the “values” of Russia are not the “values” of the West, but this is absolutely in opposition to Peter the Great’s philosophy, and against the hopes of millions of Russians, those not in the grip of that toxic mix of shaven headed thuggery and bigoted religion, those who are agonised by the rolling back of democracy and the formation of a new autocracy in the motherland that has suffered so much (and whose music, literature and drama, incidentally I love so passionately). I am gay. I am a Jew. My mother lost over a dozen of her family to Hitler’s anti-Semitism."

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 12708/07/2013

[quote]Many people ARE talking about what's going on in Russia, THAT'S the entire point of the boycott.

Exactly, but R122, lacks the mental capacity to comprehend that fact.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 12808/07/2013

Leaving, moving or boycotting the Olympics leaves the event wide open for attacks without a U.S. presence.

WTF are you gonna do after the Olympics?

Also, long-term, the short attention span activists, like you bitches here, will soon ignore all this.

You've abandoned the African countries that are exterminating gays. Why? There's nothing to boycott. It's not "Trending." And they're Black.

Hypocrites, the lot of you.

Shrieking and yelling over crimes committed on the other side of the world makes you feel smug and "better?"

Meanwhile, queens get mugged and murdered in gay ghettos and you post with caustic queries about what's on their iPod.

Isn't it great that the president mentioned this on a late-night chat show?

Whew! Problem solved!

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 12908/07/2013

[r129] I feel your pain, but rest assured that nothing posted here amounts to a hill of beans, anyway

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 13008/07/2013

The boycott is happening and it's going global. That's what's got Stoli worried now --that European countries that drink a lot of vodka is joining in this boycott.

The pictures in the mail online is the new photo op. Gay bars will be fighting each other to get their pictures in the papers throwing Russian vodka down the drains. And when the first straight bar joins in--watch out.

Russia does care about their image or else they would not have bothered trying to get the Olympics. How many statements have the IOC made now since the boycott talk where before they were pretty much ignoring it?

This boycott is working because it's having a snowball effect into other protests. Just today there was a anti Olympic sponsor Mcdonalds ad that was interspersed with some footage from gay torture video.

Now someone like anonymous needs to find a way to expose Russia exactly while the world's attention is focused on them & the Olympics.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 13108/07/2013

George Takei has recently lent his support to the boycott

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 13208/07/2013

Forgot to post the link for the mail online

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 13308/07/2013

"I think Putin and Russia have a big stake in making sure the Olympics work."

Of course they do. Putin and Russia want nothing but good publicity. As the President of the United States said, they have "a big stake in making sure the Olympics work."

The POTUS can see how their plan is already getting battered. When the Olympics happen, Russia is not going to look like the paradise they wanted to create for the media. Every mention of boycott of any kind in the coming months is a kick at the Russians.

Obama has already said we're going to the Olympics and has already let our nation know we're going to watch out for GLBT who go to the Olympics.

Why don't we go after "African countries that are exterminating gays?" Which African nation is hosting the Winter Olympics?

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 13408/07/2013

It's very hard to go after poorer countries who're homophobic simply because they have less products to boycott and you don't want to hurt the majority of the people by withholding aid.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 13508/07/2013

[quote]The New York Times’ Frank Bruni has suggested that the Olympics will be an important opportunity for Americans to show their support for LGBT equality.

People reading the NY Times will get it, but R122 won't.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 13608/07/2013

Some of you may have heard the famous quote attributed to notorious bank robber Willie Sutton(which he denied ever making). When asked why he robbed banks, he supposedly replied, "Because that's where they keep all the money!" Meaning, you concentrate your forces where they will do you the most good. Sure we can go after many other countries(including the USA) that have discriminatory laws against gay people. But right now, The Winter Olympics, being held in Russia, is the pick of the litter. Start small, and keep the ball rolling. I commend Dan Savage for his part, whether he originally came up with it or not. Kudos to Harvey Fierstein for his letter to the NYT. Gay bars dumping Stoli? Nice photo ops. Stoli is NOT quaking in their boots. Conservatives are climbing over the ramparts to give at "Attaboy! to Putin. Let it all happen. Let people wag their heads, and call it slapdash and a waste of time and "Where are your priorities"? It's all grist for the mill. Keep talking; keep posting photos; keep getting outraged (and outrageous) quotes. It IS like a snowball rolling downhill(as was said above) The faster it goes, the bigger it gets. Where will it lead? That's the million dollar question. But who'd have thought a few weeks ago that it would be THIS BIG????? You can bet the IOC is having plenty of brainstorming sessions over this. I hope the Olympics DO get moved to another location(s). There's still time to do it. I wouldn't want to see any athlete denied the chance to prove his or her mettle. I must admit I'm sorry Obama cancelled his one-on-one with Putin, I was SO hoping he'd show up for it, with a rainbow flag pin in his lapel.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 13708/08/2013

you know, for all the smug "activist-y-er than thou" typing on here, this entire boycott and topics have been relegated to the lower realms here.

Proof again that most of you are all type and no action.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 13808/12/2013

What on earth makes you think this boycott is having a substantial impact?

Google Stoli boycott.

The top hits are what's wrong with the idea.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 13908/12/2013

"Meanwhile, queens get mugged and murdered in gay ghettos and you post with caustic queries about what's on their iPod."

This is whataboutery personified.

Read this. Nothing goes on remotely like it in the US.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 14008/12/2013

[quote]The top hits are what's wrong with the idea.

Some of the top hits for marriage equality or No H8 were (and likely still are) all about what's wrong with those movements, too.

Some of you queens aren't happy with a political action unless it's absolutely perfect and puts an end to the problem within 15 minutes of being started. Well, guess what? There's no such thing.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 14108/12/2013

European nations are jumping on Russia over their human rights violations. Today, folks in Germany were talking Olympic boycott. It was a topic on NPR this morning. It was the NY Times editorial and the Stoli boycott that got the attention of millions of people. No need to keep pushing the Stoli boycott because it already made the needed impact.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 14208/12/2013

Thank you Harvey and Dan. Russia will never grant you a visa to visit and that's a good thing.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 14308/12/2013

George Takai has a petition to move the Olympics. Every signature and every boycott anouncement is a kick in the nuts to the Russians who thought they would have a flawless Olympics. It's not going to to be flawless.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 14408/13/2013

Remembrance of Russia

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 14508/14/2013

Maybe Stoli won't have much of an impact but try Proctor and Gamble.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 14608/14/2013

Stoli Boycott critics need to read this:

[bold]The Russian Vodka boycott is working, whether you like it or not[/bold]

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 14708/15/2013

Thanks for sharing that link R147. I like to see this thread show up on the front page to demonstrate how DCCrackpot is such a loser.

[italic] Ultimately, the boycott has informed more people about gay rights in Russia, and it probably hasn't hurt Stoli too badly, so there's a net positive.

That makes it harder for politicians, companies, and organizations involved with Russia and the 2014 Olympics to keep quiet on the issue.

Hopefully that means an increase in international pressure on Putin and Russian lawmakers to make life better for LGBT people, but it remains to be seen whether that will happen. And yes, Putin and Russian lawmakers, not gay vodka boycotters or slacktivists, have the final say on policy.

But the very fact that we're talking about Russian gay rights months before the 2014 Olympics is an achievement.[/italic]

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 14808/15/2013

Sadly, after seeing the film "Blue Jasmine" I was craving a Stoli martini (and I don't even drink vodka or martinis). The Stoli boycott is indeed ridiculous, but at least it's drawing attention to the fact that the Russians are fucking twisted.

Now excuse me, but I'm off to buy a bottle of Stoli.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 14908/15/2013

R149 = traitor to the cause

(Stoli is hardly the best vodka out there, even for the money)

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 15008/15/2013

What cause? I'm a world traveler and there's no way I'd ever go to Russia...that's how I'm supporting our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters over there (flights, hotels, sightseeing, meals = $$$$$$$$$). Boycotting a Latvian vodka I'd never drink thousands of dollars worth of is stupid...especially when the CEO of Stoli has come out in support of gays and lesbians and they're even donating money to directly help the LGBT community in Russia.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 15108/15/2013

Didn't see a thread on this but if someone wants to start one...

The president of Barilla pasta basically told gays to go fuck themselves and eat another brand.

I'll be happy to never buy their products again.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 15209/26/2013

[quote]Ultimately, the boycott has informed more people about gay rights in Russia, and it probably hasn't hurt Stoli too badly, so there's a net positive.

Exactly! It brought tons of publicity to the homophobic laws being passed in Russia. The boycott was very effective in getting people's attention to the situation.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 15309/27/2013

Before Dan and Harvey brought attention to the issue and the bar photo ops began, most of my straight family, friends and colleagues had no idea what was happening to gay men in Russia. Now they know and it disgusts them.

The Stoli boycott, in and of itself, is not important. What it has accomplished - the publicity - is what's important. Breaking through, actually getting people's attention and making them care about this issue is an early victory. It's what had to happen first.

The Jealous of Dan Savage Cunt claims that he's spent three years working with gay Russian activists. The result of that work is that hardly anyone knew about the abuse and persecution of gay men in Russia, let alone cared about it. Dan and Harvey and Stephen Fry get involved and suddenly EVERYONE knows and a lot of people care.

Families and friends are discussing it. President Obama is talking about it. The media is covering it. Op-eds are being written about it. The IOC was forced to end its silence. It is "water cooler" conversation at workplaces in the US and elsewhere. Putin and his precious propaganda Olympics have been given a nasty and very public black eye. They're already trying to backpedal and we're just getting started.

Here's the difference between Dan Savage and you and why he's the better man, I'll wager any amount of money that despite your attacks on him, he supports the work you do and wishes you every success with it.

I support your work and wish you success too, but Jesus fucking Christ you are an insufferable, petty, bitter, sanctimonious and pedantic cunt. Spend less time rage-wanking over Dan's success and more time building on it.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 15409/27/2013

how's this boycott working out for everyone?

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 15501/07/2014

You hear "Stoli" a lot on Absolutely Fabulous, I think I assumed it was a British term for wine, now finally I know what it's referring to. Patsy is seen drinking Stoli straight from the bottle a lot.

by Dame Celestial Crackheadreply 15601/07/2014
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