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18 year-old shot ***NINE*** times for just holding a knife!

In Toronto

There was no one around him. NO ONE.

And when he refused to drop the knife he was holding, the cops aimed and fired NINE TIMES!

Then afterwards they tasered him, because they feared for his safety.

See Video below

by Anonymousreply 7208/20/2013

Told you we were hardcore.

by Anonymousreply 107/29/2013

Nine shots you say? Could this Vanilla Ice lyric finally have come true?

"Jealous 'cause I'm out getting mine, Shay with a gauge and Vanilla with a nine."

by Anonymousreply 207/29/2013

This young man didn't need to die. The police had him "secured" by himself in a streetcar and he had a small knife. They could have talked to him, given him food and waited it out. Just tragic!

I hope the family gets a huge settlement.

by Anonymousreply 307/29/2013

Sammy Yatim: Latest in a long line of Toronto police shooting deaths

by Anonymousreply 407/29/2013

He should have dropped the knife. Period.

by Anonymousreply 507/29/2013

R5, he was shot NINE times then tasered! Shouldn't have they used the taser first? This is just pure overkill and I'm glad it was caught on video.

I suspect the taser was done to cover the police's tracks since it just doesn't make any sense to taser someone after shooting him NINE times! Then, one officer also tried to revive him through CPR.

He had a small knife and told everyone in the streetcar to get out. Sounds like someone who didn't want to hurt others. The police had so many other options. They could have pushed the switch to close the doors of the streetcar. They could have waited it out. If you watch the video, he didn't lunge at them, he simply took a step.

Instead, the police simply went to "comply or die" mode. Now, a young man is dead! Very, very tragic!

by Anonymousreply 607/29/2013

Knives are illegal to carry in places like Britain.

by Anonymousreply 707/29/2013

[quote]They could have talked to him, given him food and waited it out.

MARY!

by Anonymousreply 807/29/2013

WHAT is going on in Canada? What was this boy doing with the knife? Was he using it or just walking around holding it?

by Anonymousreply 907/29/2013

R8, you are a major douchebag!

FYI, this is not just my opinion. But, the opinion of most experts and former police officers. I don't know about where you live. But, in Canada, deadly force is only used when there is imminent danger. In this situation, there was none.

After the "mishandling" of the Toronto police of the G8 protesters, most Canadians are concerned about police brutality. Since it can very well happen to all of us.

by Anonymousreply 1007/29/2013

[quote]He should have dropped the knife. Period.

What knife? You mean the knife we can clearly see in that blurry, dark video shot from 100 feet away? Oh wait...

There could be a number of reasons why he didn't. He may have been mentally impaired. He may have been deaf (for all the cops knew)and couldn't hear the command to "drop" whatever it was they claim he was holding.

by Anonymousreply 1107/29/2013

An eye witness on the streetcar said he also had his penis in his hand. I assume he meant "he had his dick out".

by Anonymousreply 1207/29/2013

The popo obviously botched this one and hopefully there will be a full inquiry and justice will be done. But I can't get too teary-eyed over some guy who pulls a knife on a crowded streetcar and starts yelling at people, even if he has mental health issues. I'm just way past tired of crazies running wild in the streets here in Toronto.

A few weeks ago there was an incident on the subway were a guy was being aggressive and threatening people with a knife. A man intervened to keep him away from someone more vulnerable (old lady or something, I forget) and got slashed in the neck for his trouble. Fortunately, he survived. But if the police had taken him out, I wouldn't have wasted any sympathy on him.

by Anonymousreply 1307/29/2013

r13 Have you actually READ some of the saner posts here. All they're saying is that there were better ways of handling the situation. The cops went overboard, and that's a fact. The perp was alone, they could've lobbed in tear gas. And tasering AFTER shooting? C'mon now, let's be reasonable. I wonder how many high 5's went around the stationhouse?

by Anonymousreply 1407/29/2013

Sammy Yatim Protest

by Anonymousreply 1507/29/2013

Police Officer who killed the teen is given a paid vacation.

by Anonymousreply 1607/29/2013

Did you not read my opening sentence, r14?

And why would you think there were high fives?

by Anonymousreply 1707/29/2013

That's a cheap shot R16.

by Anonymousreply 1807/29/2013

R18, a cheap shot is firing NINE shots at a scrawny kid with a small knife then tasering him afterwards. That's a cheap shot, execution style.

23 Officers with guns, bats and tasers against one 18 year-old kid with a small knife cornered inside a streetcar. That's cowardice!

by Anonymousreply 1907/29/2013

R19 - it's not a paid vacation. It is a paid suspension.

Should we string up the officer in the public square without an investigation and trial?

Or has the police department done exactly what they should have - gotten the officer off the streets pending the conclusion of the investigation. But keep him on the payroll until his guilt or innocence has been determined?

You are coming very close to doing exactly what the officers are accused of doing. Taking an extreme action without cause.

by Anonymousreply 2007/29/2013

Semantics. A young man is dead.

The officer is entitled to due process. I know that and I would not have it any other way. I wish more could have been done. There were so many available options. Why take a young man's life? Why? Deadly force is the last resort.

I've seen bouncers at clubs successfully disarm drunk patrons with knives. In the UK, most officers do not even carry guns. But, they disarm people all the time.

Here is a list of well-known cases of people killed by the Toronto police after a confrontation. Call me skeptical. But, it will most likely result in a refresher course on mental health for the officers involved.

by Anonymousreply 2107/29/2013

The Police Officer in question has been suspended. Just saw it on the Breaking News.

by Anonymousreply 2207/29/2013

Man who videotaped shooting recounts harrowing event

Toronto Star

by Anonymousreply 2307/29/2013

R21 - you may well and probably do have a point about the police. (although I don't buy the part about police officers in the UK. Unless by disarm you aren't including people with guns). The comparison to bouncers is weak. The procedures and protocols and public safety concerns for police officers and bouncers are hardly the same.

But please don't marginalize or trivialize your point by taking pot shots at the officers involved and trying to claim semantics.

Stick to the high road. There is plenty of room - and no reason for you to leave it.

by Anonymousreply 2407/29/2013

Holding on to a deadly weapon after the police tell you to drop it is a direct invitation to be shot. You'll get no outrage whatsoever over this from me, OP.

by Anonymousreply 2507/29/2013

At first I read this as 18 year old being forced to watch the movie NINE!I think I'd rather be shot.

by Anonymousreply 2607/29/2013

R25 is going to learn how wrong he is the hard way.

by Anonymousreply 2707/29/2013

Justice for Trayvon

by Anonymousreply 2807/29/2013

Thats nothing compared to what goes on in the U.S.

by Anonymousreply 2907/29/2013

Cop mind-controlled...kid de-popped.

by Anonymousreply 3007/29/2013

R30 is the cray cray "depop" troll from other threads.

by Anonymousreply 3107/29/2013

R24, I guess you haven't been to the UK then. Google "Do UK Police carry guns?".

Again, you're missing the point. My comparison to bouncers is to prove to you that you do not need deadly force to disarm someone with a knife. These police officers had batons and tasers at their disposal. Why shoot to kill? It was a "comply or die" tactic! You can hear on the tape, the officer barking "Drop the knife! If you take one more step, you're finished". No communication at all which is always critical during these confrontations. If they had just waited a few more minutes to de-escalate the situation, this kid may still be alive.

Those first 3 shots were not warning shots. Then, he paused, then 6 more shots. Then, they use a taser. This was an execution!

I've lost all respect for the Toronto Police after the police brutality and abuse of power during the G20 protest. No charges were ever filed for the injuries to civilians. Simply disgusting!

by Anonymousreply 3207/29/2013

If he was black or unattracive, every other reply on this thread would be defending the cops.

by Anonymousreply 3307/29/2013

Second video - Security camera footage of shooting.

Watch this and tell me this was not an execution. He was down after the first 3 shots. Why fire the next 6 shots then taser him?

by Anonymousreply 3407/29/2013

There seems to be no explanation why that type of force was necessary (everyone was off the tram so why not wait for a specialist unit?). Compare the situation to the Muslim extremists who killed the young soldier on the streets of London. They both ran towards to police with intent to kill, and police managed to disarm them at close range with several gun shots without killing them.

by Anonymousreply 3507/29/2013

This could be Canada's Trayvon Martin case.

by Anonymousreply 3607/29/2013

To be fair, we should wait for get cops to give their side of the story. Perhaps they had intel on a terrorist attack and were amped up.

by Anonymousreply 3707/29/2013

Well, don't stand around at night with a knife in public transit. It's quite simple.

by Anonymousreply 3807/29/2013

[quote] If he was black... , every other reply on this thread would be defending the cops.

No the outrage would twice what it is right now.

by Anonymousreply 3907/30/2013

Remember the mentally ill guy that beheaded the other man on the Greyhound Bus?

The cops LOCKED him in the bus after everyone got out and deescalated the situation. And he was carrying a much bigger Knife.

I think they used teargas to subdue him.

The cops could have done the same on this streetcar.

by Anonymousreply 4007/30/2013

Whoa, nelly--those were some fat-ass police officers shooting that kid.

by Anonymousreply 4107/30/2013

Someone send the video to Nancy Grace!

by Anonymousreply 4207/30/2013

We don't really have community police anymore, we are moving towards a militarized state.

For every cop with his heart in the right place who would do anything for his city (and yes, there are great cops) there's another one who is either a hired goon with little to no mental capacity for gray areas (or worse yet, is corrupt and on the take).

by Anonymousreply 4307/30/2013

A guy at my gym, a lawyer who works closely with police, said he thinks these cops were probably young, inexperienced patrol cops. They aren't really trained or experienced enough to diffuse situations like this.

On Metro Morning today someone said that maybe we need to disarm Toronto beat cops since they're never involved in shootouts with bad guys anyway. They only shoot kids and innocent people.

by Anonymousreply 4407/30/2013

[quote] They aren't really trained or experienced enough to diffuse situations like this.

But common sense says you don't really need to shoot someone who is not a threat. I mean, how low do we set the intelligence threshold for cops? How stupid would be too stupid, or is there any floor on that?

by Anonymousreply 4507/30/2013

They certainly don't need to shoot him that many times.

by Anonymousreply 4607/30/2013

I also wonder how much the young man's appearance had to do with this. He was dressed in the typical thug style of a lot of young men his age. That's just how a lot of kids dress these days but it puts people on edge, particularly cops.

I'm not saying he's to blame. But if you're unhinged, dressed like a thug, and start waving a knife around ....

by Anonymousreply 4707/30/2013

What kind of a last name is Yatim?

by Anonymousreply 4807/30/2013

I can answer my own question--he was Syrian.

Poor bastard.

by Anonymousreply 4907/30/2013

R32 - I'm not missing your point, you're missing mine.

I know police in the UK don't as a rule carry guns. My point was you claimed that without guns the UK police were successful at disarming people. I said I don't believe that - unless you are excluding people with guns from those they disarm. For the record I did as you suggest. Guess what, police in the UK radio for more officers with guns when faced with a criminal with a gun.

I can't believe you are still trying to stick to your bouncer comparison. Your logical flaw is in your attempt to compare a single incident with your perceived generalization. Some bouncers may be able to disarm some people in some circumstances who have knifes. That doesn't mean any bouncer or any police officer in any circumstance can disarm anyone holding a knife. It's foolish reasoning.

My point is and continues to be there is plenty of evidence to support your theory of police misconduct. Why go out on a limb with foolish comparisons and cheap shots about paid vacations? What on earth do you think either accomplishes?

by Anonymousreply 5007/30/2013

In Floriduh, deputies shot a black man who was sitting in his own car in his own yard. Someone might want to start a thread about this.

by Anonymousreply 5107/30/2013

I guess now I probably don't look so bad.

by Anonymousreply 5207/30/2013

R50, I never said that the UK police are disarming people with guns. I said, knives! Similar to this case. You're the one who brought that up which has nothing to do with this case.

Yes, I'm making a generalization. There is no reason to "shoot to kill" a young man with a knife when there is no imminent danger.

There are so many questions about this case that are very disturbing.

Why shoot 9 times? Why taser him afterwards? Why did it take 20 minutes for the ambulance to arrive? Why did the officers open fire without securing the general vicinity (you can see people on bikes and in the streets)? Why were there no attempts to de-escalate the situation? In the video, you can hear the officer say “If you take one step in this direction with that foot …[inaudible] die,”. Why? Why? Why?

You can stay high and mighty about your attitude on the Toronto Police. That's your prerogative. I choose to judge them! Since based on experience, a young man is dead and these officers will most likely not be charged. This is not the first time the Toronto Police have "inappropriately" killed mentally ill or agitated people. But, this time, there is video. Imagine what they would have claimed if there was none. In another video, you can already see the officers kicking the bullet shells and compromising the crime scene. They probably didn't realize they were being filmed. Sickening!!!

by Anonymousreply 5307/30/2013

R53 - Actually if you go back and read your posts you will see you made the point that you have seen bouncers disarm patrons with knifes. You didn't make that distinction when you talked about UK police. Which is why I said I didn't believe you unless you were not including disarming people who had guns.

I'm not the one being high and mighty. As a matter of fact you are the one admitting to judging the Toronto Police. That would be an example of being "high and mighty".

My point was and continues to be - why are you introducing foolish elements like bouncers you have seen disarm someone with a knife? Why take a cheap shot at what is clearly the right thing to do with regards to the officer being put on paid suspension?

You keep making your case with just the facts - why not stop there?

by Anonymousreply 5407/30/2013

This is how they treat Blacks 24 7

by Anonymousreply 5507/30/2013

R54, please shut up.

by Anonymousreply 5607/30/2013

This is the new mental health system. A four pronged approach -- beating, jailing, tasing, shooting. Either of the four are randomly applied by police.

by Anonymousreply 5707/30/2013

R54, you heard R56!

Peace out!

by Anonymousreply 5807/30/2013

Canada swung to the Right. Not surprising.

by Anonymousreply 5907/30/2013

R56 - No.

But hey thanks for the confirmation that I'm right.

by Anonymousreply 6007/30/2013

Er no, R59, there is mass outrage over this.

The kid was clearly trying for suicide by cop but it's inexcusable that they fired on him when he posed no immediate threat to anyone.

by Anonymousreply 6107/30/2013

R58 - who said there isn't mass outrage - justified for that matter?

But not that you have explained what happened - I'm sure there is no need for an investigation.

by Anonymousreply 6207/30/2013

R39, it wasn't that long ago. Go ahead and search. The Boston Bomber threads were full of people creaming their jeans, while Trayvon/Zimmerman threads were massively trolled by racists.

by Anonymousreply 6307/30/2013

R56 is the sort of scum that makes this country the shit hole it is. I'll say it again -this is how blacks are treated 24 7 you don't like it you can go to hell with the rest of the fakers.

by Anonymousreply 6407/31/2013

Shocking.

How big was his dick?

by Anonymousreply 6508/01/2013

Pity it was a twink and not a fat bear. Bears and their "sub-culture" that glorify both inelegant behavior and fat are a blot on society.

by Anonymousreply 6608/01/2013

Was he white?

by Anonymousreply 6708/01/2013

good one less mother fucker using up our resources.

by Anonymousreply 6808/01/2013

good one less idiot collecting welfare.

by Anonymousreply 6908/01/2013

He's cute. Suddenly, I care.

Yes, I'm shallow.

by Anonymousreply 7008/01/2013

The cop has been charged with second degree murder.

by Anonymousreply 7108/20/2013

r61 I don't know if the kid was trying for suicide by cop, but the second half of your statement is indeed true. THAT is what has to be reconciled, vis a vis, the actions of that police officer. And now there's evidence of contamination/alteration of the crime scene? The hole just keeps gettin' wider and deeper.

by Anonymousreply 7208/20/2013
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