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Moderate Democrats are Quitting on Obamacare

[quote]The landmark health-reform law passed in 2010 has never been very popular and always highly partisan, but a new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds that a group of once loyal Democrats has been steadily turning against Obamacare: Democrats who are ideologically moderate or conservative.

[quote]Just after the law was passed in 2010, fully 74 percent of moderate and conservative Democrats supported the federal law making changes to the health-care system. But just 46 percent express support in the new poll, down 11 points in the past year.

[quote]Among the public at large, 42 percent support and 49 percent oppose the law, retreating from an even split at 47 percent apiece last July.

[quote]Just 58 percent of Democrats now support the law, down from 68 percent last year and the lowest since the law was enacted in 2010. This broader drop mirrors tracking surveys by the non-partisan Kaiser Family Foundation and Fox News polls, both of which found Democratic support falling earlier this year.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 8607/26/2013

You sound very concerned.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 107/23/2013

A new poll came out today showing that a majority of people don't want Obamacare repealed. So there.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 207/23/2013

" Liberal Democrats, by contrast, have continued to support the law at very high levels – 78 percent in the latest survey. Among the public at large, 42 percent support and 49 percent oppose the law, retreating from an even split at 47 percent apiece last July."

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 407/23/2013

When state governments work with and implement ObamaCare, it works, lowers rates, and citizens benefit.

When red-state governments block it, fail to implement it, whine about it... it doesn't work (duh), and citizens get screwed over.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 607/23/2013

In CA, a male will be able to get health insurance for $40 a month! That's amazing! You can't go to dinner and a movie for that.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 707/23/2013

R5 - You lost me at Newsmax.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 807/23/2013

Experts are predicting that premium costs will come down an average of 20% on average.

In the Health Insurance Marketplace you may be able to lower the costs of your health insurance coverage by paying lower monthly premiums. You'll see the amount of savings you’re eligible for when you fill out your Marketplace application. Prices shown for insurance plans will reflect the lower costs.

These lower costs are handled with a tax credit called the Advance Premium Tax Credit. But these tax credits can be applied directly to your monthly premiums, so you get the lower costs immediately.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 1007/23/2013

R5? Linking to a right-wing FReeper "news" site does nothing to help your cause.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 1207/23/2013

I'm willing to bet good money that R5's paycheck is dependent on the US healthcare system maintaining the status quo of "eternally fucked up".

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 1307/23/2013

Non-partisan??! Fox News??!!!

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 1407/23/2013

No Dem wants it repealed. No real Dem.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 1507/23/2013

A question for the freepers. Do you just want a class war but don't know how to say so? I mean, any sort of missive that might benefit those who aren't already fabulously wealthy is treated with disdain by you and your cries of 'un-American-ism'. Is it that if someone who wasn't born into the moneyed class already, someone who might not possibly want to emulate it and/or preserve its privileged position in society, is that person or group seen as such a threat that that must be squashed?

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 1607/23/2013

LOL, Newsmax. "BILLIONAIRE SEZ END OF WORLD IS COMING RITE NOW GUYS, BUY GOLD!!1"

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 1707/23/2013

You can't trust anything you hear on Fox.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 1807/23/2013

[quote]Odd that so many of these posts have no links!

Odd that you're able to type responses with the insurance industry's dick in your mouth!

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 1907/23/2013

So cani turn down my company isurance and get this cheap insurance?

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 2107/23/2013

Massachusetts hasn't been complaining.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 2207/23/2013

R23 believes that the Washington Post is simply reporting what popular opinion believes. Isn't that too cute for words?

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 2407/24/2013

98% of Massachusetts residents have healthcare! 98 fucking percent! Places that have begun implementing it have seen the benefits come already. New York residents are set to see their premiums reduce 50%. The facts speak for themselves.

The reason why the GOP keeps mindlessly voting to repeal it, even though they know that will never happen under Obama, is because they don't even want Americans to get comfortable with the idea of it. They rightfully know that once the average American gets used to it and sees the benefits of it they'll never let it go just like Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 2607/24/2013

R25 is the same insurance industry shill posting under a different IP address.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 2707/24/2013

It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.

--Upton Sinclair

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 2807/24/2013

I've been looking around Healthcare.gov, the website that will handle the new insurance exchanges starting Oct. 1, and it's fabulous. It's extremely well-done, easy to understand, and I learned a lot that I didn't already know. You can't believe all the great things that the ACA does for us. One important thing I learned is that you need to buy your insurance from the exchange cause that's the only place where individuals will get lower rates on their premiums and out-of-pocket costs.

Everyone needs to look at the website NOW so they'll be prepared come Oct. 1.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 2907/24/2013

The mainstream media seems bent on making Obamacare look bad and unpopular at all costs. Every story on CNBC is filled with dire predictions about the law and Repugs are out swinging and Democrats are not responding.

How long will Obama and the Dems tolerate the misinformation before they start fighting back? It's long past overdue.

What's even more annoying is a lot of the provisions Repugs are complaining about were only in there because Obama was trying to get Repug votes for the bill (which never materialized anyway).

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 3007/24/2013

The MAJOR problem is that Americans let the media tell them about government programs instead of just investigating for themselves. If they would simply go to the program website and find out the information for themselves instead of letting Sean Hannity tell them about their own healthcare then we wouldn't have any "confusion" on the issue.

People are not curious and investigative anymore. Not even about issues that directly effect them.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 3107/24/2013

The affordable healthcare act is going to be a big win for the people. Unfortunately, until things get moving, we will have this type of naysaying & lunacy because of jealous republican ass jacks.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 3207/24/2013

Any Democratic resistance comes from people who don't understand how the law will work and/or are afraid of the changes it will entail. Once news stories start circulating about decreases in premiums and more people getting covered for more things, even the most conservative Democrat will jump on board.

Which is exactly what has the Republicans so scared. They have spent so much time, effort and money fighting this program -- imagine what will happen if it works and the American public embraces it. It will be one more very large millstone around the GOP's neck.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 3307/24/2013

Not to mention people whose paychecks are dependent on the status quo, R32.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 3407/24/2013

Bill O'Reilly blasted Marco Rubio last night for continuing to oppose Obamacare even though it's a futile prospect. He told him that it only makes the GOP look like childish obstructionists bordering on anarchists. I was actually shocked that O'Reilly would take that stance but he's been known to buck from the GOP on certain matters and he's right about this.

The GOP know they're fighting a losing battle. The only reason they're doing this is so they don't get "primary'd". So basically it's political cowardice, as usual.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 3507/24/2013

[quote]So the delays in implementation asked for by the administration aren't really needed because we have a fabulous web site.

No, they're delaying because reforming the US healthcare system is an enormous undertaking. Idiot.

[quote]So the issue with the dissatisfaction is that the MSM is out to get Obama and the public simply isn't as well educated and intelligent as those on this board.

Very good! For a shill, you're starting to catch on.

[quote]So price comparisons between existing policies and the new policies that don't include difference in coverage levels are valid as are averages that don't adjust for the mix of policyholders' ages; specifically, the increase in the number of younger policyholders who are pulling down the average rates. Averages are averages, right? It doesn't matter if the younger policyholders pay more as long as the older people are happy!

Translate that from insurance industry shillspeak, please.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 3707/24/2013

More Log Cabinites spouting Tea Party talking points.

Guys, let's not lose sight: Obamacare was needed because millions of people had zero health insurance. Zero. This added a huge amount of costs to the sytem. Now, more people are going to get coverage. Without zillions of people getting care in the Emergency Room, costs will go down. Not that hard to grasp.

A lot of us wanted a single-payer system but conservative Dems and Repugs said that was socialism. What we have is a compromise. It's not perfect, but remember how much the insurance industry spent to water it down.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 3907/24/2013

Oh for god's sake. Shut the fuck up with your stupid unsubstantiated declarations about the Affordable Care Act. What the fuck is wrong with you people?

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 4407/24/2013

Dear. God.

Freepers, are you actually, really, truly COMPLETELY devoid of the capacity for critical thinking?

Your comments are painfully stupid.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 4507/24/2013

Thanks r46 for the facts and analysis.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 4807/24/2013

Are these types of threads from heterosexual interlopers, or conservative homosexuals?

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 5107/24/2013

From Federal AND State source, r50. Good luck defunding the 49 states in which you don't live.

How dare governments make people aware of their new rights and responsibilities!!!

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 5207/24/2013

OP/R5/etc. = FREEPER TROLL poster who also is r-41/r-53 (etc.) @ "Anthony Weiner apologizes for sending new lewd photos, texts AGAIN."

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 5307/24/2013

Keep fucking that chicken, wingnut/corporate shills. Obamacare is a done deal, and it will save healthcare in this country.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 5507/24/2013

End of thread, freeper lunatics.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 5607/24/2013

Shocking that you'd pretend not to have an agenda, shill @ R57.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 5807/24/2013

Press releases from wingnut think tanks are not "facts" and "data", shill.

[quote]The Apothecary, a blog about health care and entitlement reform, is edited by Avik Roy, a Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research and a former health-care policy adviser to Mitt Romney. Avik also writes a weekly column on politics and policy for National Review. The other contributors to The Apothecary are: Josh Archambault, Director of Health Care Policy at the Pioneer Institute in Boston; Robert Book of the American Action Forum; Chris Conover, Research Scholar in the Center for Health Policy and Inequalities Research at Duke University and an Adjunct Scholar at the American Enterprise Institute; Nicole Fisher of the University of North Carolina; John R. Graham of the Advanced Medical Technology Association; and Jeet Guram of Harvard Medical School.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 6007/24/2013

R61, so he gets the $88.00 insurance. Where is the problem?

If the government insurance was $88.00, everyone would be screaming that the government was unfairly competing with the private sector.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 6207/24/2013

Oh, let them screech and shout, it makes absolutely no difference.

Obamacare isn't going away - not ever. All it will do is expand to become a better, more comprehensive, cheaper program - over time.

People bitched about Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. They lost - they've lost this one too. They're just too stupid to shut up about it and their constituents are too stupid to see that Obamacare is a good and necessary first step to overhauling a grossly unfair and inadequate health care system.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 6307/24/2013

What makes the difference then? Go with the cheaper one! Duh!

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 6407/24/2013

R63 for the win.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 6507/24/2013

Why, OP? Why did you think that?

Look, I like and voted for Obama, twice, but I have seen HUGE problems with Obamacare's implementation. I am no expert, not in the healthcare field; "lucky", I suppose, in some respects, to be disabled: on Medicare and Medicaid; the latter as a spenddown for which I pay $448/month (would be "free" if income much lower.)

ANYway: in the "real" world of workers: ObamaCare mandates something like, if employers don't provide health insurance for their employees who work over 30 hours a week:

Companies have cut lots of workers' hours: restaurants, the Darden chain (Olive Garden/Red Lobster; the small (20 or so stores?) drugstore chain in the small town and surrounding towns where I live (last week there were 9-10 people ahead of me, 11:00 on a weekday a.m.; only 1 person working. This in a town of 2,000 people. I asked about it; a worker told me almost everyone's hours had been cut, and she suspected: reaction to Obamacare.

Companies were given all the way to 2014 to implement; now we hear companies have whined and will now have till 2015.

And I'm sorry, I have a bit of a philosophical distaste for anything where people - unemployed, "working poor",who do NOT qualify for Medicaid (or Medicare) - "HAVE" to buy insurance or be penalized in the form of taxes. I know I'm vastly oversimplyfing.

I confess, I have NO idea what the solution is. Hilary Clinton came a cropper with this issue, either. I am 7 miles from the Canadian border, and have a couple of Canadian friends and aquaintances who will tell you their coverage isn't all it's cracked up to be, either.

(maybe everyone should have a nervous breakdown/depression/diagnosis of Bipolar II at age 55! like me, and live off the "fat of the land." Ha-ha.)

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 6607/24/2013

Hello, r47, the rates quoted in that Forbes article are less than I pay now for my "employee subsidized" plan!

When the exchanges are implemented as they are intended to (aka in Democratically controlled states), the rates offered are comparable if not lower than rates on the open market.

That's what happens when for-profit companies are no longer allowed to gouge consumers in order to benefit rich stockholders, which is what happens now.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 6707/24/2013

Disagree with R63 for the win. Isn't it quite likely a Repug will come in in 2016? and change everything?

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 6807/24/2013

When you get health insurance coverage in the Marketplace, you may be able to get lower costs on monthly premiums. This depends on your income and family size. Here are the income levels:

You must buy your insurance thru the marketplace to get the lower monthly premiums.

If you're an individual making up to $28,725, then you ALSO qualify for lower out-of-pocket expenses, like deductibles, coinsurance and copayments. It's all right there on the HealthCare.gov website. You really should take a look at it now to prepare for Oct. 1, when open enrollment begins.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 6907/24/2013

[bold]An ObamaCare confession[/bold]

The hammer has dropped. The sky has fallen. I have been a staunch defender of the ACA. I have defended Nancy Pelosi’s much maligned (and taken out of context by the right) statement to pass it so we would know what was in it.

Well.

Today, I got a letter from my current insurance company inviting me to call them and find out what the exchange could do for me. The letter informed me that I could keep my current $600 per month, $10,000 deductible policy since it is grandfathered in, or I could get a new policy starting Jan. 1.

For a total of $105 per month, I will be able to get a new silver policy. My current policy equal to a bronze. For a total of $300 per month, I will be able to get a gold policy. The higher your metal, the lower your deductible, your copay, and the higher the drug benefit.

So, instead of $7200 per year for catastrophic insurance for Carol and I, plus paying out about $10,000 out of pocket each year due to the high deductible and pre-existing conditions………we will pay either $1200 or $3600 per year for a damned sight better coverage and much fewer out of pocket expenses.

So, for all the conservatives who have been desperately straining for years to scare me out of this, and to the Republicans in the House who have voted 37 times to repeal the ACA……kiss my country ass. You’re a bunch of lying, fear mongering and ignorant demagogues, and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 7007/24/2013

r61 - nice of you to gloss over the details of that 91 dollar plan.

50% co pay 5000 dollar deductible...shit coverage.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 7107/24/2013

R72 is a Repug troll infesting many threads this evening (who is also very fond of talking to and agreeing with himself.)

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 7307/24/2013

LISTEN DUMBASS LIKES OF R72!!!

Fuck off, you are full of shit, get out of here, give it up, even if your like doesn't give up, why don't you be the first???? LOSER. Go play with your Unicorn, go fuck your Grandmother, and kiss my rancid ass, k?

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 7407/24/2013

No, R68, even in the unlikely event that a Republican wins a national presidential election (not going to happen any time soon), the ACA is still safe. Whatever the Dumbass Republican Tea Party House comes up with that threatens Obamacare will die an ignoble death in the Democratically controlled Senate - just as it should.

The Dumbass GOTP House has already voted against it, what - 40 times? It goes nowhere and never gets to the President's desk. Obamacare is here to stay and it will never go away. The more people find out about it, the more they like it - GOTP push polls notwithstanding.

If all it did was end lifetime caps on insurance pay outs and provide insurance for those with pre-existing conditions, it would still be a great step forward for this country. It actually does a lot more. It may be bad news for greedy insurance company assholes and loony-toons "conservatives" but it's good news for average, working Americans.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 7507/24/2013

[quote]That's great [R70]! That's exactly why you need the younger population to sign up and pay for insurance they don't need, can't afford and isn't economical.

You are a moron, a freeper or both. Most likely, both.

Most serious medical conditions are sudden and some are devastating, such as cancer.

Any young person in their 20s or 30s can suddenly become ill. EVERYONE NEEDS HEALTH INSURANCE. NO ONE IS IMMUNE FROM ILLNESS.

A cousin was diagnosed with MS in their 20s and another had cancer, without medical coverage, which they fortunately had through their job, they would be dead now. This person wasn't poor enough to be eligible for Medicaid, so exactly what would their outcome have been without health insurance? To pay off a huge hospital bill completely out of pocket for the rest of their lives?

Get the facts before making absurd statements that young people don't need health insurance, that has got to be one of the most ignorant statements I have even read online!

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 7607/24/2013

r72

Young people don't need health insurance? If you say so, freeper, it must be true.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 7707/24/2013

As more exchanges open,word's going to get out fast,and the governors who fucked around with people's lives& livelihoods are going to get the torch & pitchfork routine.

"The heave-ho"!

I hope some of these evil GOP motherfuckers live long enough to feel the derision history & the public heaps upon them.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 7807/24/2013

So R72, you're against ALL insurance then? Because that's how insurance works, you fuck-head. They're called "risk-pools". EVERYONE pays in, and those who need it get pay-outs, mitigating the risk for everyone.

If you own even ONE insurance policy, you're a fucking hypocrite.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 7907/25/2013

As stated above, Kaiser Permanente is shit coverage. So your point, R61, is useless.

And again, I have to wonder who's paying you to push back against Obamacare on a public forum so fucking hard.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 8007/25/2013

There are no "grandfathered" plans -- as of 2014 all plans will cover ACA-required services.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 8207/25/2013

The Supreme Court has already ruled in favor of it, so it's a done deal.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 8407/25/2013

CVS Pharmacies will use it's 4000+ stores across the nation to help educate/inform customers on Obamacare sign-up and benefits. Makes sense as pharmacies will benefit from Obamacare - but Eric Ericksson has said he will boycott CVS as a result - take his business to Walgreens. Somebody should tell him that Walgreens has already indicated they'll be doing much the same thing as CVS. Ha!

I hope Wal-mart, Costco and Target follow suit.

by I thought the support was going to grow over timereply 8507/26/2013
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