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Boeing 777 from South Korea

by Anonymousreply 25006/24/2014


by Anonymousreply 107/06/2013

Looks totally survivable, Exit stairs deployed, most of plan stll intact. I am guessing this won't have too many casualties thankfully.

by Anonymousreply 207/06/2013

looks like most people would have been able to escape.

by Anonymousreply 307/06/2013

They said it was coming from Taipei on Aisana airlines

by Anonymousreply 407/06/2013

Did these Koreans push everyone out of the way like the Asians do on the San Francisco bus lines?

by Anonymousreply 507/06/2013

Survivable? The middle of the plane is open and charred. No middle of the plane passengers survived that.

by Anonymousreply 607/06/2013

On the news they said "some survivors"

by Anonymousreply 707/06/2013

R6, if they made it to the ground mostly intact, then most of the passengers are mostly intact as well. This is horrible news, however, and am I correct that this is the first time a 777 has crashed on U.S. soil?

by Anonymousreply 807/06/2013



by Anonymousreply 907/06/2013

a passenger just tweeted:

I just crash landed at SFO. Tail ripped off. Most everyone seems fine. I'm ok. Surreal...

by Anonymousreply 1007/06/2013

R8, an ABC expert said the only other 777 accident he could remember occurred in London and was due to icing...

by Anonymousreply 1107/06/2013

Sorry folks, we ran out of gas.

by Anonymousreply 1207/06/2013

Tweet was posted at R1.

by Anonymousreply 1307/06/2013


by Anonymousreply 1407/06/2013

All survived.

by Anonymousreply 1507/06/2013

I have nightmares about being in a plane crash. I think that's the most horrific thing imaginable.

by Anonymousreply 1607/06/2013

Doesn't the airport have cameras?

by Anonymousreply 1707/06/2013

[quote]I have nightmares about being in a plane crash. I think that's the most horrific thing imaginable.


by Anonymousreply 1807/06/2013

I landed there a few minutes before that plane and went merrily on my way. When I got into the city, people were buzzing about it, and I got several texts.

by Anonymousreply 1907/06/2013

I'm flipping channels and the news anchors are practically masturbating under their desks. God, do they just live for this shit or what?

by Anonymousreply 2007/06/2013

Flyertalk has pictures of passengers leaving wreckage with cabin luggage.

by Anonymousreply 2107/06/2013

Who the fuck is "MARY" r18?

by Anonymousreply 2207/06/2013

DL fave Gio Benitez has filed a special report for ABC News!

by Anonymousreply 2307/06/2013

Don't "Mary!" R16, I agree with him. I haven't flown since 1984 because of this (being afraid to die in a plane crash.) Overreaction, I know; we'll all die someday, but I canNOT think of anything worse. Glad to read everyone survived this crash.

(to the poster who wondered "who" "Mary" was: you may have to turn in your gay card, dear.)

by Anonymousreply 2507/06/2013

[quote]Don't "Mary!" R16, I agree with him. I haven't flown since 1984 because of this (being afraid to die in a plane crash.)

Dumpling? You're both MARY!s. Deal with it.

Your odds of dying in a commercial airline crash at some point in your life are 10,000,000 to 1. Your odds of dying in a car crash at some point in your life are 200 to 1. Your fear is rooted in severe control issues on your part, not any semblance of a reality-based fear.

by Anonymousreply 2607/06/2013

I think the worst would be if the plane crashes while your taking a dump in the planes restroom. It would be kind of embarrassing if they find your body stuck to the toilet.

by Anonymousreply 2707/06/2013

OMG! Who takes a shit on an airplane?

by Anonymousreply 2807/06/2013

ME r28! I'd poop my pants if I knew we were crashing.

by Anonymousreply 2907/06/2013

If they had their belts on, I'm sure they are 70% safe.

by Anonymousreply 3007/06/2013

Christian Americans glad it was only Orientals:

by Anonymousreply 3107/06/2013

R27: If you are taking a dump in the bathroom while a plane is landing, you deserve to be embarrassed.

by Anonymousreply 3207/06/2013

2 confirmed dead. NOOOOOOOOO

by Anonymousreply 3307/06/2013

Well r32. If you're taking a dump when the plane is going to crash on landing, you might as well have a last smoke. I mean, what are they going to do? Arrest your dead ass?

by Anonymousreply 3407/06/2013

Two dead? Oh, dear. I hope they weren't on the toilet.

by Anonymousreply 3507/06/2013

I'll bet they were smoking, r35. Smoking kills.

by Anonymousreply 3607/06/2013

At least two dead. The CBS people have already suggested "pilot error," since everything will be done now to point attention away from Boeing.

by Anonymousreply 3707/06/2013

You know, I just think after taking a fucking 10 hour plane trip in coach, to crash and die, man that sucks.. watching shitty Korean sitcoms and US romantic comedies on a 6 inch screen, eating crappy airline food, probably wanting to take a proper poo and shower after landing, then you fucking crash land.. I would be like holy shit, what have I done to deserve it..

by Anonymousreply 3807/06/2013

The sky was so blue...

by Anonymousreply 3907/06/2013

[quote] The CBS people have already suggested "pilot error," since everything will be done now to point attention away from Boeing.

Actually the CBS people have seen the aerial photos of the location where the crash began. Right at the edge of the runway where it meets the bay. It should be the first picture at the link. Seems like at least part of the plane clipped the rocks.

by Anonymousreply 4007/06/2013

I like blue...

by Anonymousreply 4107/06/2013

Sixty six injured per CNN

by Anonymousreply 4207/06/2013

It probably was due to pilot error since it occurred during landing.

by Anonymousreply 4307/06/2013

R26 - I don't think it's control issues as much as fear of a "bad death" and I'd count an airline crash among the worst deaths imaginable.

by Anonymousreply 4407/06/2013

CNN said pilot was on iPad. Co-pilot tried to land.

by Anonymousreply 4507/06/2013

I wish I had been on this plane. I've always fantasizes about surviving a plane crash. I'd be stoked if I were them. I am all powerful and invincible!

by Anonymousreply 4707/06/2013

Oh dear lord, Richard Quest is on CNN.

Kill it.

by Anonymousreply 4807/06/2013

12 critically injured..... life threatening injuries

by Anonymousreply 4907/06/2013

R19, your post belongs in the underwhelmed thread.

by Anonymousreply 5107/06/2013

Shit r52. I just murphed coffee out my nose and onto my laptop with that one. Good one.

by Anonymousreply 5307/06/2013

SFO rarely has incidents, I can't even remember any when I was growing up there in the 70's and 80's.

by Anonymousreply 5407/06/2013

What was on the Boeing's iPod?

by Anonymousreply 5507/06/2013

Seriously, R45? They won't report the two fatalities that other news outlets are reporting, but they're reporting what happened in the cockpit before the crash?

by Anonymousreply 5607/06/2013

Just prior to landing, the pilot was listening to NPR when Zoe Chace came on and he lost all control of the plane upon hearing her vocal gymnastics.

by Anonymousreply 5707/06/2013

What about the overhead luggage?

by Anonymousreply 5907/06/2013

I'm hearing 2 dead, 12 critically injured.

by Anonymousreply 6007/06/2013

I don't think r18 has figured out yet how "Mary!" works or when it is appropriate to use it.

by Anonymousreply 6107/06/2013

2 dead confirmed. Probably flight attendants in the back of the plane.

by Anonymousreply 6307/06/2013

[quote]If there is a God one of your family members will die a horrible death.

Let me get this straight: you're actually saying that if there is indeed a God, then He will punish the relatives of someone with [italic]a horrible death[/italic] just because he made an unfunny joke on the Internet???

I think you need to stay away from the keyboard for a while. Something's very wrong with you.

by Anonymousreply 6407/06/2013

R63, perhaps they took the term "jump seat" too literally?

by Anonymousreply 6507/06/2013

R62, i laughed too -- forgive me.

by Anonymousreply 6607/06/2013

R58, I was trying to be helpful. Imagine the casualties when the next plane goes into that frigid bay.

by Anonymousreply 6707/06/2013

Why was pilot on his iPad during landing?

by Anonymousreply 6807/06/2013

Asiana has just changed their slogan: "Leave your heart in San Francisco... your legs and arms too!"

by Anonymousreply 7007/06/2013

[quote]. Why was pilot on his iPad during landing?

Probably looking up the latest Hello Kitty stickers.

by Anonymousreply 7207/06/2013

David Bromstead was on this flight, I just saw him interviewed on the local news. I'm glad he is ok.

by Anonymousreply 7307/06/2013

Link to the stickers, please R72. Thank you.

by Anonymousreply 7507/06/2013

Sixty missing? Damn.

by Anonymousreply 7607/06/2013

R73, that's good to hear. David Bromstead is cute.

by Anonymousreply 7707/06/2013

I'm voting r69/r71/r74 for F&F for her nasty homophobic comments.

by Anonymousreply 7807/06/2013

hello kitty sticker

by Anonymousreply 8007/06/2013

Was it Bromstead's idea to have a skylight installed?

by Anonymousreply 8207/06/2013

Yes, R79, one should be pleased when beauty is preserved.

by Anonymousreply 8307/06/2013

[RE73] He survived ? Oh damn . One less of one of those annoying "HG" hosts would have been so nice.

by Anonymousreply 8607/06/2013


[quote]Even when commercial planes crash, passengers are often able to walk away. In a study of incidents from 1983 to 2000, the NTSB found that 95.7% of all occupants survived. Out of 568 accidents, 2,280 of the 53,487 occupants died.

[quote]Researchers at Massachusetts Institute of Technology have said the fatality rate of 0.2 for every 1 million airline departures makes air travel safer than other forms of transportation, including escalators.

by Anonymousreply 8807/06/2013

Over 60 people unaccounted for is a major airline disaster on U.S. territory. Sad.

by Anonymousreply 8907/06/2013

[quote] I had a family member's die tragically

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 9007/06/2013

I bet the auto-pilot deflated.

by Anonymousreply 9107/06/2013

Joey, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?

by Anonymousreply 9207/06/2013

Too bad it wasn't very funny, R62.

by Anonymousreply 9307/06/2013

I still don't know exactly what happened but 141 Chinese citizens on board? No Americans?

by Anonymousreply 9407/06/2013

All of the news anchors on CNN, FOX, and MSNBC are so fucking annoying!

by Anonymousreply 9507/06/2013

Who the hell is David Bromstead?

by Anonymousreply 9607/06/2013

There were about 70 Americans on board.

by Anonymousreply 9707/06/2013

They said 61 from the U.S.

by Anonymousreply 9807/06/2013

70? Because they were giving numbers and I didn't here how many Americans.

Oh yeah, I always thought Bromstead was cute but didn't know his name. What a horrible would probably keep me awake for the rest of my life.

by Anonymousreply 10007/06/2013

The SFO public information has very interesting hair. How does he manage to have two parts? That's the real story today.

by Anonymousreply 10107/06/2013

Sheryl Lean In Sandberg was supposed to be on this flight!

by Anonymousreply 10207/06/2013

Conveniently, Lean In is also crash positioning.

by Anonymousreply 10307/06/2013

The Sacramento Bee is reporting 40 critically injured. The 10 are at SF General.

[quote]Rachael Kagan, a health department spokeswoman at San Francisco General Hospital, said this afternoon that SFGH has received 10 critically injured passengers so far, five others less seriously injured and is expecting another 15 soon.

[quote]Of those critically hurt at SFGH, two are children and eight are adults ranging in age from their late 20s to their 40s, she said, and most are Korean speakers.

[quote]Kagan said she was told 30 other critically injured passengers were being taken to other area hospitals.

by Anonymousreply 10407/06/2013

Capt. Tom Bunn, the aviation expert on MSNBC — who is doing an awesome job and, it turns out, is also a therapist and founder of an anti-fear-of-flying site — says there are only two explanations for the crash: one, engine failure and two, "the pilots weren't doing their job flying the plane."

He says passengers indicated that the pilots revved the engines to push up right before impact, which indicated that they were operational.

by Anonymousreply 10507/06/2013

Looks like someone was tweeting while flying a plane.

by Anonymousreply 10607/06/2013

Not trying to be insensitive but I've always wanted to know the following: In an emergency who pays for the hospital bills for the injured? What happens to their pre-paid hotel rooms and vacations?

By such a large number "unaccounted for," what does that really mean?

by Anonymousreply 10707/06/2013

R107, they're dead, Jim.

by Anonymousreply 10807/06/2013

I was thinking the same thing about hospitalizations in the immediate term. Obviously, the airline will settle with the victims and their families but there will be bills in the interim.

Unaccounted could mean anything. Came out the back of the plane when the tail snapped off, walked away from the crash w/out talking to an official or going to the area designated for them. They many not know exactly where victims were transported for treatment. Maybe some passengers didn't board the flight but are still on the manifest. Language barriers and lost IDs are probably an issue, too.

by Anonymousreply 10907/06/2013

The airlines — or, more accurately, their insurance — pay for it all, R107, and much more in legal settlements.

There is only 1 person unaccounted for now. The previous higher number resulted from typical post-crash confusion—a number of people fled the plane and just got the fuck out of Dodge (as I would).

by Anonymousreply 11007/06/2013

Do the survivors still have to go through US Customs?

by Anonymousreply 11107/06/2013

Do passengers required to go to the "designated area?" How about relatives picking them up? I'm sure many would be extremely worried.

Are the survivors offered immediate psychological assistance, replacement of carry on luggage (emergency medicine may have been lost,) food, or anything else?

Are family members who have a loved one in critical condition in a hospital offered rooms?

by Anonymousreply 11207/06/2013

There is still NO PARKING in the white zone.

by Anonymousreply 11307/06/2013

[quote]By such a large number "unaccounted for," what does that really mean?

There are still over 2,000 people "unaccounted for" after Hurricane Katrina. Surely you don't think they're still locked in attics somewhere.

by Anonymousreply 11407/06/2013

R107/R112, take your fucking meds.

by Anonymousreply 11507/06/2013

Listen, R113, don't start up with your white zone shit again.

There is no stopping in the red zone.

by Anonymousreply 11607/06/2013

R115, I've never been on meds. Can you say the same thing?

I'm sure that I'm not the only person on DL who's always wondered what really happens in the aftermath of a disaster. I'm just brave enough to risk being dissed to ask legitimate questions.

by Anonymousreply 11707/06/2013

You asked seven questions in the space of two replies, R117.

You are either six years old or severely OCD.

Seek a juice box or professional help immediately.

by Anonymousreply 11807/06/2013

Any reports yet on how the two people died?

by Anonymousreply 11907/06/2013

Nothing wrong with asking questions, R117. As soon as someone lashes out with a "take your meds", you can be sure that they're well acquainted with meds. Just ignore the retard.

by Anonymousreply 12007/06/2013

Girls, GIRLS. You are ALL pretty.

by Anonymousreply 12107/06/2013

R118, I asked multiple questions because I wasn't sure which were the easiest to answer. I didn't expect responses to all.

There are very intelligent and informed posters on DL, so I've gotten used to the fact that almost all queries will be sensibly answered, or that appropriate links will be provided.

I'm very sorry if you falsely assume that I have OCD. As for being 6-years-old, I'm sure my sentence structure and vocabulary would disprove that fact.

by Anonymousreply 12207/06/2013

R119, I have it on good authority an elderly Korean woman dropped her styrofoam container filled with Bulgogi at the top of the emergency slides. The next two passengers, unfortunately, slipped in the mess and falling out of the plane.

by Anonymousreply 12307/06/2013

R120, Thank you very much for the post.

by Anonymousreply 12407/06/2013

Girls, girls. You're ALL cunts!

by Anonymousreply 12507/06/2013


by Anonymousreply 12607/06/2013

R113, R116, I'll never forget once being stuck waiting for a ride at LAX. Do they still have that non-stop, obnoxious women's voice recording, "the white zone is for loading and loading only, no stopping?"

by Anonymousreply 12707/06/2013

They sure do, R127!

by Anonymousreply 12807/06/2013

I wondered about customs, as well. I'm sure the Korean Consulate had officials there immediately to coordinate with the airline and provide assistance, replacement documents, etc. There's a large Korean community in the area and social service agencies and organizations of all sorts that will help in the immediate aftermath. Same with the Chinese community since so many were from China. They're particularly critical since they can help by providing translators and people who'll help them negotiate whatever red tape or assistance they'll need. (in addition to their consulates)

by Anonymousreply 12907/06/2013

[quote] "the white zone is for loading and loading only, no stopping?"

It's not "no stopping," it's no PARKING.

by Anonymousreply 13007/06/2013

There is No Parking on the dance floor.

by Anonymousreply 13107/06/2013

That's the problem with Korean airlines. You have one plane crash and an hour later you want to have another one.

by Anonymousreply 13207/06/2013

You ALL just want me to have an abortion.

by Anonymousreply 13307/06/2013

It's a terrorist act by North Korea, for God's sake. They had to do something on July 4th weekend and this is it.

by Anonymousreply 13407/06/2013

Plane crash Gangnam Style.

by Anonymousreply 13507/06/2013

I have never been a fan of convertible airplanes. They always seem to leak.

by Anonymousreply 13607/06/2013

R128, R130, Thanks for clarifying. Must expect a transposed word from remembering that horrific recording from more than 20 years ago. That's what the joy of summer movie going used to mean, seeing everything you detested made total fun of.

by Anonymousreply 13707/06/2013

They have been saying on the news that ALL passengers are accounted for. And for those who are bitching at people for being insensitive or whatever, FUCK OFF. What are you doing posting on the DL if you can't enjoy the snark, the pointless bitchery and the obnoxiousness? This place is like Joan Rivers on meth! Wrong site if you want hand wringing compassion.

by Anonymousreply 13807/06/2013

[quote]There were about 70 Americans on board.

But were they AMERICAN Americans?

by Anonymousreply 13907/06/2013

Do they make comedies like Airplane! now that appeal to a broad segment of the population? I remember seeing the first one in the theater and there were people of all ages. The actors were also of all ages. Now, it seems like comedies are either targetted to frat boys and adolescents or rom com consumers.

by Anonymousreply 14007/06/2013

In one of the photos of the crash that CNN is showing, you can see some woman carrying luggage as she walks away from the plane.


by Anonymousreply 14107/06/2013

With that number of Chinese people on board, you can be sure it wasn't her luggage.

by Anonymousreply 14207/06/2013

R140, That's the point I was trying to make as well in the other thread about sequels. The ZAZ (Zucker, Abrams, Zucker) comedies were so funny because they always lampooned viewers frustrations with "the system." Often they were as political, a la George Carlin, as funny.

by Anonymousreply 14407/06/2013

This sounds like The Manchurian Candidate. 60 people suddenly arrive from another terminal? You know that they just switched the bodies and then now there are 60 Chinese spies in the U.S. Didn't you see the Olympics? They are organized!

by Anonymousreply 14507/06/2013

By the way, I assume that those obnoxious red zone/white zone warnings would now also have to be in Spanish?

by Anonymousreply 14607/06/2013

In the air traffic recording you can hear traffic control saying Go Right! Go Right. The pilot switched on the cabin lights.

by Anonymousreply 14707/06/2013

Accounting for people after a plane crash is always fascinating. I am sensing that there is major witchcraft and / or forces of evil around this flight. 241 and 777 are unlucky and this is a code we must crack. Witches United.

by Anonymousreply 14807/06/2013

I just wrote something about pooping North Korean terrorists smoking in the toilets on landing, but it was so stupid I deleted it.

by Anonymousreply 14907/06/2013

Ick. The LA Times is reporting that the bodies of the two fatalities were found on the runway.

by Anonymousreply 15007/06/2013

Right, the two people in the 2 unlucky seats in the back.

by Anonymousreply 15107/06/2013

Rump seat no good for fly safe

by Anonymousreply 15207/06/2013

"In the air traffic recording you can hear traffic control saying Go Right! Go Right. The pilot switched on the cabin lights."

I don't get what the switching on the cabin lights means - can you explain?

by Anonymousreply 15307/06/2013

For insurance and national security, doesn't SFO have to record video footage of all planes that land on its airport? Or was practice a victim of budget cuts?

by Anonymousreply 15407/07/2013

Many DL posters' version of humor is old Asian jokes, R153.

They're 12 and they're bored when school's out.

by Anonymousreply 15507/07/2013

Sounds like the pilot made a dive bomb landing. Whether you are forced or it is a mistake it is extremely dangerous. The Facebook and Samsung CEO's announcing their survival was surreal.

by Anonymousreply 15607/07/2013

It's Kim Jong-un, people. Pay attention. He knows Mandela's croaking soon and he wants attention.

by Anonymousreply 15707/07/2013

Merci beaucoup, DataLounge, for keeping me informed during my diverted flight from Paris to SFO.

On the ground in Seattle we were allowed to use our iPhones, and DL was the best source (was the pilot really on his iPad, though?)

Interestingly, our pilot never mentioned the word "crash" when explaining what was going on. At first he "didn't know why the airport was closed," then, "there is a plane stopped on the runway." Then, "the airport is open," etc. I guess they must be trained not to bring up the "C" word.

by Anonymousreply 15807/07/2013

David Bromstad was not on that flight.

by Anonymousreply 15907/07/2013

R158, Pilots say cunt all the time.

by Anonymousreply 16007/07/2013

According to a fiend of mine who works for a news agency, the plane clipped a rock wall as it was landing, but it's not clear yet whether that was the cause of the crash or just a symptom of it.

by Anonymousreply 16107/07/2013

[quote]Interestingly, our pilot never mentioned the word "crash" when explaining what was going on.

On Asiana's home page they have an update on "The Incident"

No doubt, until all the investigations are done, they cannot legally call it a crash yet.

by Anonymousreply 16207/07/2013

Sheryl Sandberg (Facebook) and David Eun (Samsung) were the famous tweeting survivors. She changed to United to get airline miles, he flew us (the cheaper airline, but still a frequent flyer) and compared the wreckage scene to 9/11. Sorry!

by Anonymousreply 16307/07/2013

Did this fiend of yours clasp his hands together and cackle maniacally when he told you that?

by Anonymousreply 16407/07/2013

If David Bromstead WAS on that flight, do you think he made a doodie bubble in his pants?

by Anonymousreply 16507/07/2013

Just yesterday I read an article on Yahoo saying that it had been decades since we'd gone such a long stretch of time without a plane crash, despite record air traffic. Re-start the clock!

by Anonymousreply 16607/07/2013

You made me laugh out loud, r164!

by Anonymousreply 16707/07/2013

Passenger not allowed to talk to press about what happened. WTF?! I'm putting on my tinhat.

by Anonymousreply 16807/07/2013

Well, of course they aren't, R168. It's a Korean airline. I'm sure Kim Jong il commands they don't

by Anonymousreply 16907/07/2013

R169 has harvest gold colored appliances.

by Anonymousreply 17007/07/2013

Actually, they're creamy white, R170, although, I don't know what that has to do with anything.

by Anonymousreply 17107/07/2013

Don't forget that drones are 2 seconds off their target. This seems like a valuable clue.

by Anonymousreply 17207/07/2013

Only two people died? Yeah, right.

by Anonymousreply 17307/07/2013

R171 you, quite clearly with white appliances, live well in the past. This is a South Korean airline and Kim Jong Il is well past dead.

by Anonymousreply 17407/07/2013

Officer McLesbian was really off her math targets with 60 people missing. That took 90 minutes to correct. But what do we know about these 60 people? We may never know. Oh, and Wade Robson is being honest.

by Anonymousreply 17507/07/2013

R174 = Irritating comments by homebuyers on HGTV shows

by Anonymousreply 17607/07/2013

After 60 missing I heard they were in I heard they were at the airport. Always these horrendous accident scenes but few dead. Blocks and blocks go down in a tornado, nobody dead! IT'S A MIRACLE!

by Anonymousreply 17807/07/2013

It's a lie, R178. Remember how they had to scale back the number of dead during the OK super-tornado? Well, I know someone who has relatives that live there and they said the first number was closer to the truth, and even that was low.

by Anonymousreply 17907/07/2013

r171, it's called BISQUE! Has there not been enough tragedy today without your rant about an appalling racist and homophobic comment about appliance colors?

by Anonymousreply 18007/07/2013

They've been lying about numbers for years. At first I thought the number of dead on 9/11 seemed a little odd then I wonder about the number dead in Iraq but I really noticed it in Charlie, I know those people were not prepared for that Hurricane.

Maybe I'm just an alarmist but seriously, you saw the way that plane looked...two dead?

by Anonymousreply 18107/07/2013

[quote]Any reports yet on how the two people died?

Yes. In a plane crash.

by Anonymousreply 18207/07/2013

Engine problems have been ruled out.

Gee, I wonder what happened, then? A touch of sabotage, maybe?

by Anonymousreply 18307/07/2013

The accident could have been caused by freak winds.

This eyewitness report is from a passenger on a plane that came into SFO right before the Korean jet.

by Anonymousreply 18507/07/2013

I'm wondering "losing face" contributed to the crash. Asian pilots are notorious for risky takeoff (and landings) to avoid losing pride if they abort a landing.

by Anonymousreply 18607/07/2013

Dammit, all of the dry cleaners are closed today.

by Anonymousreply 18707/07/2013

Are you sure it's bisque and not almond, R180?

by Anonymousreply 18807/07/2013

CNN is using whatever reporters they have available on a Sunday morning. In the last ten minutes I've heard someone say "what could have went wrong" and "paint a pitcher." That's not good enough.

by Anonymousreply 18907/07/2013

Developing: The two people who died in Saturday's Asiana Airlines crash in San Francisco have been identified as Chinese students. The 16-year-old girls were visiting the United States as part of a school trip.

by Anonymousreply 19007/07/2013

Still no footage of the plane landing? SFO and NTSB must be sitting on that video.

by Anonymousreply 19107/07/2013

R191, the omnipresent surveillance cameras in the USA only work when the Feds are trying to set up patsies to further the goals of the "War on Terror."

by Anonymousreply 19207/07/2013

They may not have any footage of the crash at all. It happens so quickly. Asiana is lucky that there were not more fatalities, but 2 dead and 49 seriously injured is bad enough.

by Anonymousreply 19307/07/2013


by Anonymousreply 19407/07/2013

I just heard a guy say he saw 5 bodies and he said the slides didn't work and that it took 30 minutes for the ambulances to get there.

I'm sure we will not hear from that guy again.

I think that is true about the ambulances getting there.

by Anonymousreply 19507/07/2013

Also the man said that the people in the back got the worst of it but he and his family were in the middle and were OK.

by Anonymousreply 19607/07/2013

Are we sure Edward Snowden was not on that flight?

by Anonymousreply 19707/07/2013

I was disturbed by the police grabbing that guy too.

by Anonymousreply 19807/07/2013

How can they prevent people from talking to the media? Maybe foreign nations but fame-obsessed Americans?

by Anonymousreply 19907/07/2013

CNN just showed amateur video footage of the crash taking place.

by Anonymousreply 20007/07/2013

The news corporations will be instructed not to talk to them.

by Anonymousreply 20107/07/2013

Sounds like the co-pilot who was performing the landing did NOT have adequate advanced skills and was incompetent.

by Anonymousreply 20207/07/2013

The fire started on impact but only two people dead? From the video, you can see when the explosion happened. He also said he didn't see people coming down the slides on his side.

by Anonymousreply 20307/07/2013

The first picture from a passenger who go off the plane shows the fuselage is intact and not burning at all. People in the center of the plane said the plane filled with smoke first, then they noticed the fire.

by Anonymousreply 20407/07/2013

Police officers threw utility knives up to crew members inside the burning wreckage of Asiana Airlines Flight 214 so they could cut away passengers' seat belts. Passengers jumped down emergency slides, escaping the smoke. One walked through a hole where a rear bathroom had been.

Amid the chaos, some urged fellow passengers to keep calm, even as flames tore through the Boeing 777's fuselage.

As investigators try to determine what caused the crash of Flight 214 that killed two passengers Saturday at San Francisco International Airport, the accident left many wondering how nearly all 307 people aboard were able to make it out alive.

"It's miraculous we survived," said passenger Vedpal Singh, who had a fractured collarbone and whose arm was in a sling.

Investigators took the flight data recorder to Washington, D.C., overnight to begin examining its contents for clues to the last moments of the flight, officials said. They also plan to interview the pilots, the crew and passengers.

"I think we're very thankful that the numbers were not worse when it came to fatalities and injuries," said National Transportation Safety Board chief Deborah Hersman on NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sunday. "It could have been much worse."

Hersman said investigators are looking into what role the shutdown of a key navigational aid may have played in the crash. [bold]She said the glide slope - a ground-based aid that helps pilots stay on course while landing - had been shut down since June.[/bold]

She said pilots were sent a notice warning that the glide slope wasn't available. Hersman told CBS' "Face the Nation" that there were many other navigation tools available to help pilots land. She says investigators will be "taking a look at it all."

Since the crash, clues have emerged in witness accounts of the planes approach and video of the wreckage, leading one aviation expert to say the aircraft may have approached the runway too low and something may have caught the runway lip - part of a seawall at the foot of the runway.

San Francisco is one of several airports around the country that border bodies of water that have walls at the end of their runways to prevent planes that overrun a runway from ending up in the water.

Since the plane was about to land, its landing gear would have already been down, said Mike Barr, a former military pilot and accident investigator who teaches aviation safety at the University of Southern California.

It's possible the landing gear or the tail of the plane hit the seawall, he said. If that happened, it would effectively slam the plane into the runway.

Noting that some witnesses reported hearing the plane's engines rev up just before the crash, Barr said that would be consistent with a pilot who realized at the last minute that the plane was too low and was increasing power to the engines to try to increase altitude.

Barr said he could think of no reason why a plane would come in to land that low.

"When you heard that explosion, that loud boom and you saw the black smoke ... you just thought, my god, everybody in there is gone," said Ki Siadatan, who lives a few miles away from the airport and watched the plane's "wobbly" and "a little bit out of control" approach from his balcony.

"My initial reaction was I don't see how anyone could have made it," he said.

Inside the plane, Singh, who was sitting in the middle of the aircraft with his family, said there was no forewarning from the pilot or any crew members before the plane touched down hard and he heard a loud sound.

"We knew something was horrible wrong," said a visibly shaken Singh. He said the plane went silent before people tried to get out anyway they could. His 15-year-old son said luggage tumbled from the overhead bins.

Passenger Benjamin Levy said it looked to him that the plane was flying too low and too close to the bay as it approached the runway. Levy, who was sitting in an emergency exit row, said he felt the pilot try to lift the jet up before it crashed.

by Anonymousreply 20507/07/2013

Did the girls break their necks on impact or did they fall out of the tail section?

by Anonymousreply 20607/07/2013

The girls were found outside the plane. One near the tail. The other some distance away near the wing.

by Anonymousreply 20707/07/2013

He said he thought the maneuver might have saved some lives. "Everybody was screaming. I was trying to usher them out," he recalled of the first seconds after the landing. "I said: 'Stay calm, stop screaming, help each other out, don't push.'"

Wen Zhang said she could feel the plane's tail hit the ground. Baggage was falling around her, people were screaming and the aisle window broke.

Zhang picked up her 4-year-old son, who had hit the seat in front of him and broke his leg. Unhurt, she carried him through the hole where the bathroom was and went out onto the tarmac. "I had no time to be scared," she said.

Shi Da, a product manager at an Internet company in Hangzhou, China, said he was sitting with his wife and teenage son near the back of the plane. When he felt the plane hit the ground, he said, oxygen masks dropped down.

And when he stood up in a cabin, he could see the tail where the galley was torn away, leaving a gaping hole through which he could see the runway. After escaping, they watched the plane catch fire, and firefighters hose it down. They suffered some cuts and have neck and back pain. "I just feel lucky," he said. "We are so lucky we sit beside the tail and we can leave the plane in the first place."

By the time the flames were out, much of the top of the fuselage had burned away. The tail section was gone, with pieces of it scattered across the beginning of the runway. One engine appeared to have broken away.

The flight originated in Shanghai, China, and stopped over in Seoul, South Korea, before making the nearly 11-hour trip to San Francisco, airport officials said. The airline said there were 16 crew members aboard and 291 passengers. Thirty of the passengers were children.

San Francisco Fire Department Chief Joanne Hayes-White said 19 people remain hospitalized, six of them in critical condition. She said at a news conference outside San Francisco General Hospital the two 16-year-old girls who died were found on either side of the plane near the "front middle." Investigators are determining whether they were alive or dead when rescuers reached the scene.

Hayes-White said first responders told her they saw people at the edge of the bay dousing themselves with water, possibly to cool burn injuries.

San Francisco General Hospital Chief of Surgery Margaret Knudson said at least two people injured that were treated there are paralyzed and two others suffered road rash-type injuries suggesting they were dragged.

She said doctors at the hospital have also seen abdominal and orthopedic injuries and head trauma. Patients with severe abdominal injuries and spinal fractures appear to have suffered them from being thrown forward and back while restrained by seat belts.

South Korean government said the passengers included 141 Chinese, 77 South Koreans, 61 Americans, three Canadians, three from India, one Japanese, one Vietnamese and one from France, while the nationalities of the remaining three haven't been confirmed.

Chinese state media identified the dead as two 16-year-old girls from China's eastern Zhejiang province. China Central Television cited a fax from Asiana Airlines to the Jiangshan city government. They were identified as Ye Mengyuan and Wang Linjia.

At least 70 Chinese students and teachers were on the plane heading to summer camps, according to education authorities in China.

Asiana President Yoon Young-doo said at a televised news conference that it will take time to determine the cause of the crash. But when asked about the possibility of engine or mechanical problems, he said he doesn't believe they could have been the cause.

He said the plane was bought in 2006 but didn't provide further details. Asiana officials later said the plane was also built that year.

Yoon also bowed and offered an apology, "I am bowing my head and extending my deep apology" to the passengers, their families and the South Korean people over the crash, he said.

by Anonymousreply 20807/07/2013

Four pilots were aboard the plane and they rotated on a two-person shift during the flight, according to The Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport in South Korea. The two who piloted the plane at the time of crash were Lee Jeong-min and Lee Gang-guk.

Yoon, the Asiana president, described the pilots as "skilled," saying three had logged more than 10,000 hours each of flight time. He said the fourth had put in almost that much time, but officials later corrected that to say the fourth had logged nearly 5,000 hours. All four are South Koreans.

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by Anonymousreply 20907/07/2013

CNN replaying the amateur video over and over like it's the Zapruder film. They have exclusive rights to it.

by Anonymousreply 21007/07/2013

"two others suffered road rash-type injuries suggesting they were dragged."


by Anonymousreply 21107/07/2013

I could tell they had exclusive rights, MSNBC was reporting on Syria.

by Anonymousreply 21207/07/2013

What's with the guide slope being out of order. What kind of stupid fuckery is that?

by Anonymousreply 21307/07/2013

The airport only uses the the navigational landing program for inclement weather not on clear bright sunny days, the airlines were told that the program would be unavailable .

by Anonymousreply 21407/07/2013

I make a point of not flying with these rinky-dink airlines.

by Anonymousreply 21507/07/2013

[quote] I make a point of not flying with these rinky-dink airlines.

Um, it's the second largest airline in South Korea, behind only Korean Air.

by Anonymousreply 21607/07/2013

Showing up drunk to work is common in East Asia.

by Anonymousreply 21707/07/2013

[quote]Um, it's the second largest airline in South Korea, behind only Korean Air.

That is like being the tallest midget at the circus.

by Anonymousreply 21807/07/2013

That NTSB spokeswoman is really good at press briefings. I wish I had her talents.

by Anonymousreply 21907/07/2013

This accident is absolutely horrible. People were dragged or ejected from the plane. Several had their spines snap. Only two people dead is premature.

by Anonymousreply 22007/07/2013

R220, Look on the bright side, those two Chinese teenage girls lived much, much longer than 40% of Chinese girls.

by Anonymousreply 22107/07/2013

One of the two dead girls was possibly run over by a fire truck responding to put out the fire on the plane.

by Anonymousreply 22207/07/2013

Scroll down to the comment posted at 10:23--per inside info, an investigation has started to determine if one of the fatalities was caused by one of the responding fire trucks.

by Anonymousreply 22307/07/2013

[quote]One of the two dead girls was possibly run over by a fire truck responding to put out the fire on the plane.

Does the SFFD hire Muni bus drivers?

by Anonymousreply 22407/07/2013

I have on good authority Laura Bush was a volunteer driver that day.

by Anonymousreply 22507/07/2013

This crash is a mess. There is a general sense of queasiness that does remind me of 9/11. People don't just casually survive something this catastrophic. I hate flying into SFO over the water. You constantly have to trust that the pilot and ground control are having a good day.

by Anonymousreply 22607/07/2013

Pilot only had 43 hours experience flying a 777. Hot weather at SFO is also wreaking havoc with wind patterns.

by Anonymousreply 22707/07/2013

They probably aren't counting the stewardesses in the tall that snapped off, because the emergency workers haven't gotten to them yet.

by Anonymousreply 22807/07/2013

Allegedly, there was another crash like this that belly flopped with a crashed tail and everyone also got out. Boeing 777 is designed to skid out, but this kind of crash is unusual for SFO. SFO is labeled a specialty airport due to water, mountainous ranges near airport, visibility, and weather. They will want to blame the pilot but any time airport equipment is turned off it is an increased risk.

by Anonymousreply 22907/07/2013

What risk is a clear day with excellent visibility?

by Anonymousreply 23007/08/2013

I flew into SFO in May (from the East Coast). Pilot cut the engines about 30 minutes before landing and we glided in for landing.

by Anonymousreply 23107/08/2013

For kicks R231 or because the engine failed? Planes need to be turned on for landing.

by Anonymousreply 23207/08/2013

[quote]mountainous ranges near airport,

Um, there are none. They are at least 80 miles away.

What kind of info is this news source getting? 200 ft. hills several hundred yards (or miles, really) out are not "mountainous ranges." Where do these reporters get their erroneous info. from? CNN? Their own eyesights or their ear pieces fed by their handlers?

by Anonymousreply 23307/08/2013

They knew what they were getting into, I say let them crash.

by Anonymousreply 23407/08/2013

I have no idea, R232.

by Anonymousreply 23507/08/2013

So I was listening to the news but I didn't hear about this terrible train crash, I wonder why?

by Anonymousreply 23607/08/2013

We heard that many North Koreans are horse-hung.


by Anonymousreply 23807/08/2013

You know why there weren't more deaths? GOVERNMENNT REGULATIONS! That's right, the goddamned, bloated government that trogs have been complaining about for years has demanded safer seats that don't come apart, stronger seatbelts, the requirement that the evacuation of a plane takes place within 90 seconds even with half the exits blocked and lots of other regs that have been put in place to save lives.

Of course, if libertarians and the GOP had their way with "no government regulations; let the industry regulate itself,", every person on that plane would be dead.

by Anonymousreply 23907/08/2013

LOL @ Mrs Patrick Campbell

by Anonymousreply 24007/08/2013

[quote]That NTSB spokeswoman is really good at press briefings. I wish I had her talents.

r219 = lesbian

talents = labia lips

by Anonymousreply 24107/09/2013

Government also screwed up by turning off equipment. NTSB will share blame between the pilot and airport to make a spank for pilots to wake up. And 10 people also killed in Alaska? 2013 is unlucky for airline travel. Buy FB. GOOG will lose over half it's current excentrically high value.

by Anonymousreply 24207/09/2013

{232} I think he means he pulled back the throttle and glided in, not cut the engines. If you are in a correct landing pattern you can glide right in.

by Anonymousreply 24307/09/2013

I still can't believe flight attendants were thrown off a 777 and survived. That is like a magic act.

by Anonymousreply 24407/10/2013

I think what R239 needs to be repeated:

[quote]You know why there weren't more deaths? GOVERNMENNT REGULATIONS! That's right, the goddamned, bloated government that trogs have been complaining about for years has demanded safer seats that don't come apart, stronger seatbelts, the requirement that the evacuation of a plane takes place within 90 seconds even with half the exits blocked and lots of other regs that have been put in place to save lives.

[quote]Of course, if libertarians and the GOP had their way with "no government regulations; let the industry regulate itself,", every person on that plane would be dead.

Thank is all.

by Anonymousreply 24507/10/2013

Exactly, R239 is correct and the libertarians and republicons are continuing to try and dismantle our government every day. Just so corporations can get away with virtually anything they want...and it's killing our planet.

by Anonymousreply 24607/10/2013

OMG... Another one?

by Anonymousreply 24708/28/2013

So is the wreck still sitting on the end of the runway or have they carted it off?

by Anonymousreply 24808/28/2013

Asiana pilots switched off system that might have averted crash: NTSB

Los Angeles Times June 24, 2014

A federal safety panel on Tuesday concluded that the pilots flying the Asiana Airlines jet that crashed in San Francisco on July 6, 2013, mismanaged their landing approach and inadvertently shut off an automatic speed control system that might have prevented the accident.

Meeting in Washington, D.C., the National Transportation Safety Board also blamed the crash on the pilots' failure to monitor their airspeed and altitude and a decision to abort the landing that came too late. NTSB: Asiana Airlines pilots to blame for deadly crash National Transportation Safety Board investigators blame the pilots of an Asiana Airlines plane for hitting a sea wall and slamming into the runway at San Francisco International Airport in July 2013.

The crash occurred last July when an Asiana Boeing 777 en route from Seoul struck a sea wall and slammed into the runway while attempting to land at San Francisco International Airport. Three people were killed and 187 were injured, 49 seriously.

Investigators have said the pilots came in too slow and too low to touch down safely.

In addition to the main causes, the NTSB concluded that a number of factors contributed to the crash, including the complexity of the Boeing's automated flight systems and fatigue that likely degraded the performance of the pilots.

by Anonymousreply 25006/24/2014
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