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I found this interesting quote (apparently, alledgedly) about Sen Lindsay Graham

The context is that the author is speculating whether Snowden still has access to the NSA system via fake accounts, backdoor codes, etc.

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Moreover, he could wage a one man counter blackmail operation. Say for instance Ed Snowden knew that the NSA had dirt on Obama from its earlier monitoring of his days as a Senator that it was presently using to pull his strings,[bold] or say that he knew that the NSA was keeping a certain South Carolina Senator's homosexuality under wraps in exchange for subservience, he could release that info and neuter the NSA's blackmail grip. He could reveal Obama as a complete shell and puppet of Gen. Alexander's NSA.[/bold] He could go global, as he seems to be doing and reveal how the NSA blackmails certain Prime Ministers, or how Israel is pulling the strings on its puppets in DC like Peter King, McCain etc. He could show just what media outlets are compromised (OK, we know it's all of them but... Snowden could get very specific and show that a certain bombastic FoxNews blowhard has a penchant for underage girls or something.

by Anonymousreply 11207/25/2013

Here is the source.

by Anonymousreply 107/03/2013

What is Moon of Alabama? Why should we pay any attention to it?

by Anonymousreply 207/03/2013

Another salient point

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The NSA will have to assume that potential enemies now know exactly what it is doing, how it is doing it and will act on that knowledge. All the now interesting traffic the NSA watches will soon be fully encrypted. As it is now known that the U.S. services copy all internet traffic and have access to all service providers in the U.S. and UK, all interesting foreign stuff that might have been found through such access will now vanish from the NSA's eyes. Other countries will revise and harden their systems making the NSA's future work much more difficult.

The NSA's spying on U.S. citizen may not yet have such consequences. Unless there is a huge case where NSA spying is directly connected to a Watergate like scandal Congress will do nothing to reign the NSA in. But the scandal will come. As a former East German STASI officer says:

“It is the height of naivete to think that once collected this information won’t be used,” he said. “This is the nature of secret government organizations. ..."

As for Snowden. He is also fucked. There is no way out for him. The U.S. intelligence community will try to get him now and forever. If only to set an example. Even if he manages to get to Ecuador the country is too small and too weak to be able to protect him. The only good chance he has is to ask the Russians for asylum and for a new personality. They will ask him to spill the beans and to tell them everything he knows. He should agree to such a deal. The NSA already has to assume that the Russians know and have whatever Snowden knows and has. The additional security damage Snowden could create for the U.S. is thereby rather minimal. Snowden can wait and work in the Moscow airport transit area until most of what needs publishing from his cache is published. He can then "vanish" and write the book that needs to be written. How one lone libertarian sysadmin found a conscience, screwed the U.S. intelligence community and regained some internet freedom for the world.

by Anonymousreply 307/03/2013

Oh, yeah, the FAUXNews anchor with "a penchant for underage girls" would explain why B!|| O'R€!||¥ always follows the script- never blaming both parties for the current system, attacking the leaves instead of the root.

by Anonymousreply 407/03/2013

Snowden is a hero. 'The system' blackmails these people in the government to make them into the perfect puppets.

Democrats and Republicans: one hand pretending to fight with the other hand.

by Anonymousreply 507/03/2013

R2-

Even a cursory examination of the site would leave a reasonable person to believe that the author is a former employee of the NSA, FBI or CIA with access to intel, and uses his site to allow current and/or former agents to share "gossip".

The codespeak in some posts is almost impenetrable, but most posters "get it".

It's like a version of the datalounge for spooks.

VPL, mussy, fucktard are the staples of datalounge.

by Anonymousreply 607/03/2013

R5 here. See this thread, and specifically, the dialogue starting at post 327, for a good understanding of how people are controlled by blackmail. This thread discusses Hollywood and actors being controlled by being closeted gays, the same applies to politicians and presumably media people:

by Anonymousreply 707/03/2013

No shit, R5.

The phrase "Useful Idiots" applies to most datalounge posters. They actually believe that there is difference between (R)s and (D)s and fight over petty shit while their masters in DC laugh at them.

As long as the little people fight over gay marriage and abortion then we can give the banks trillions, overthrow governments and wage total war.

Sick and sad.

by Anonymousreply 807/03/2013

This could be about South Carolina's other Senator.

by Anonymousreply 907/03/2013

But R8, DLers can't be useful idiots. They are so refined and enlightened, they read The New Yorker and namedrop media fabricated 'intellectuals'!

And yet they still haven't figured out that the 9/11 story is a badly written Hollywood production.

by Anonymousreply 1007/03/2013

Would a Swiss vpn provide some protection from people seeing your web visits, assuming they can't get into your computer?

by Anonymousreply 1107/03/2013

Where did you really think our tax dollars were going? Did people really think the government actually 'needed' that amount of money from us, and to use it towards the things we know about on the surface?

by Anonymousreply 1207/03/2013

R12-

The average DL poster has knowledge of economics and foreign policy 6 inches long and a millimeter deep.

Ask them about NPH or the Coop and they can give you names, dates and details of their holes, but asking them to understand complex issues about the Federal Reserve or overseas wars is like asking a "straight" 18 boy for a blowjob--- exciting but sloppy and unsatisfying, and will leave tooth marks on your cock.

by Anonymousreply 1407/03/2013

No wonder Ms Graham always does whatever his masters in the CIA/NSA tell him to do- if he didn't, he would find videos of him getting fucked raw by an underage hustler online within 24 hours.

I hope, PRAY, that Snowden has video of Graham getting deep dicked by a muscular Blatino Husbear type and releases it to the world. It would be just as good as a video of Hillary getting scissored by Weiner's wife Huma.

by Anonymousreply 1507/03/2013

The Federal Reserve is a central banking, usury/debt scam! And it's also a privately owned bank with zero authority printing up money!

No mention of this on the news or by the government, of course. Instead, the media is telling us to worship the faked martyr St. Trayvon.

by Anonymousreply 1607/03/2013

Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs!

by Anonymousreply 1707/03/2013

R17-

3 inches wide and 3 nanometers deep.

by Anonymousreply 1807/03/2013

You don't think he's gay, R17?

by Anonymousreply 1907/03/2013

R19-

R17 thinks that any criticism of his god on the Potomac is blasphemy and can't be bothered with silly "facts".

by Anonymousreply 2107/03/2013

And Oswald was the lone gunman!

And FDR did not know the Japanese were going to bomb Pearl Harbor!

by Anonymousreply 2207/03/2013

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by Anonymousreply 2307/03/2013

Now who would've benefited from 9/11?

...well there's your answer.

by Anonymousreply 2407/03/2013

[quote]And yet they still haven't figured out that the 9/11 story is a badly written Hollywood production.

Oh, now I understand.

by Anonymousreply 2507/03/2013

"Though not yet officially confirmed some kind of military coup is taken place in Egypt right now."

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 2607/03/2013

[quote]The only good chance he has is to ask the Russians for asylum and for a new personality.

How the fuck do you give someone a "new personality"?

by Anonymousreply 2707/03/2013

R23-

Thanks. I missed that thread.

Most people don't know that GP Bush and Joe Kennedy did extensive business with Nazi Germany prior to Pearl Harbor, and in some cases continued to do business with them after PH via shell companies.

Let's not forget that FDR knew that the Japanese were going to bomb Pearl Harbor several days before it happened, and used it as his version of 9/11 to get the US into WW2.

If Wilson had not used the sinking of the Lusitania (which was carrying arms to Britain, in defiance of treaties) to force the US into WW1 then there would be no Hitler or WW2.

by Anonymousreply 2807/03/2013

R10-

Expecting people who still trust Obama to believe that the official story of what happened on 9/11 just might, maybe, be slightly untrue...well, it would be easier to teach monkeys to fly out of R17s ass.

by Anonymousreply 2907/03/2013

Agreed, R29. Obama is an actor just like any other important politician. A cardboard cutout.

by Anonymousreply 3007/03/2013

R30-

The worst part about Snowden's spy revelations is that it DIDN'T SHOCK anyone!

The Demoncrats just scream "racism" and the MSM fall in line.

If this had been revealed while Bushit was prez, the Left and MSM would be calling for n execution.

by Anonymousreply 3107/03/2013

911 was clearly demolition. It's amazing that some people can't see that, it's crystal clear.

by Anonymousreply 3207/03/2013

R32-

The majority SUPPORTS THE NSA tapping all phones, email, etc.

Asking them be skeptical about something as massive as 9/11--- well, gubmint skools done worked out real gud!

by Anonymousreply 3307/03/2013

My favorite thing about 911 is when a BBC reporter in NY is reporting that WTC7 has just gone down when it's still up in the background behind her! LOL. The timing must've messed up and she got the message from the BBC to report this too early, meaning they knew it would come down.

by Anonymousreply 3407/03/2013

Here it is. Also, most people don't even know about WTC7:

by Anonymousreply 3507/03/2013

Smoking gun:

by Anonymousreply 3607/03/2013

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by Anonymousreply 3707/03/2013

[quote]If this had been revealed while Bushit was prez, the Left and MSM would be calling for n execution.

Moron, it *was* revealed while Bush was president. Idiot.

by Anonymousreply 3807/04/2013

[quote]The average DL poster has knowledge of economics and foreign policy 6 inches long and a millimeter deep.

Tell us again about 50% hyperinflation, how the economy's worse now than it was in 2008, how gold is just the best investment ever and it's going to climb to $20,000 an ounce, how cutting back government spending is going to fix the economy, how the dollar is going to crash, how bond rates are going to go through the roof, and how the economy is on the verge of total collapse, any day now, really, this time for sure.

Now what was that about "knowledge of economics?"

by Anonymousreply 3907/04/2013

Good lord, you 9/11 truthers are tedious.

Do you also think the moon landing was "staged"?

by Anonymousreply 4007/04/2013

?

by Anonymousreply 4107/05/2013

No, R40, but any average person can see that the Twin Towers are exploding and not merely collapsing.

The destruction of WTC 7 is so obviously a textbook case of standard-method controlled demolition that you have to wonder about the mental capacity of anyone who insists otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 4207/05/2013

R42-

Shut up or they will call you a libertarian denier.

You still worship global warming? If not flee for your life!

by Anonymousreply 4307/05/2013

r42 = demolitions expert spending free time on anonymous gay gossip forum.

by Anonymousreply 4407/05/2013

It's amazing to me how petty and small-minded these conspiracy nuts seem to be. Like some freshman smoking his first joint and thinking they discovered the cosmos when they say, "My fingers...move!"

And the way they congratulate themselves for being part of this idiot cognoscenti and everyone else is too blind to see the elaborate constructs behind the scenes. All because they've never once before thought of how things work and hope there's some Rube Goldberg construct behind everything. No wonder the tea baggers do so well. Morons are plentiful.

by Anonymousreply 4507/06/2013

Indeed.

by Anonymousreply 4607/06/2013

What I find interesting is the cognitive dissonance, particularly on the part of our resident paranoid libertarian troll, who simultaneously insists that governments are run by incompetents who can't do anything well or right while also insisting that these very same governments have successfully perpetrated and covered up massive conspiracies involving thousands of people. The mind boggles...

by Anonymousreply 4707/06/2013

R47-

The facts about JFK are readily available. Numerous books and scholarly articles have shown enough proof for any jury to convict LBJ and the CIA for murder in the JFK assassination.

Just because Brian Williams, Paul Krugman and Katie Couric ignore it (since they are paid, ultimately, by people who thrive on the sheeple NOT knowing the truth about anything) doesn't make it less valid.

That is the beauty of the Internet and why it scares the Elite .01%- it allows anyone smart enough and curious enough to put the pieces of the puzzle together.

I'm sorry you are too stupid and indifferent to care.

by Anonymousreply 4807/06/2013

Add the new CBS host, Pelley- what an Insufferable twat!

by Anonymousreply 4907/06/2013

R67-

Cronkite and Rather were instrumental instruments in "selling" the monetary/military assistance to the US public. Now that they are gone, and the MSM is fractured, the majority of THINKING people who get their news from the Internet have realized that "foreign aid" is just bribery to keep petty dictators in line.

Dig deeper, R67. The truth is there.

by Anonymousreply 5007/06/2013

[quote] simultaneously insists that governments are run by incompetents who can't do anything well or right

The vast majority of government workers are simply doing their job. Incompetence is rewarded, competence is eventually fired for "asking questions" and "suggesting changes that will increase efficiency".

The bureaucrats also keep insisting that these very same governments have successfully perpetrated and covered up massive conspiracies involving thousands of people.

Government is inefficient. It is dangerous for anyone that doesn't suck at the dick of the bureaucracy.

by Anonymousreply 5107/06/2013

[quote]it allows anyone smart enough and curious enough to put the pieces of the puzzle together.

Yeah, like a moron who decides that the number of Google hits that result from googling CIA and Bank of Hawaii is "proof" that the latter is a CIA front. Thank god for the Internet, without which we would have never known that "fact"!

Nice non sequitur, R51. Q.E.D.

by Anonymousreply 5207/07/2013

OP, as well as your various incarnations in this thread (yeah! troll-dar), isn't you one tin hat post (about Egypt and its current troubles) enough for the next millenium?

Re-adjust your tin hat, troll.

by Anonymousreply 5307/07/2013

R42 -- don't forget the employees who said that there were explosions going off regularly on various floors that had NOTHING to do with any jet fuel above. Just a coincidence that a company headed by Bush's brother was "doing work" in the buildings a few days earlier, necessitating switching OFF all security cameras, so that the WTC (security) staff was unable to see what was going on (which was NOT standard procedure for contractor work), eh?

by Anonymousreply 5407/07/2013

R54-

The people who worship the government won't believe that the US intelligence agencies covered up their complicity in 9/11 or JFK or TWA flight 800 or any "conspiracy" because it undermines their faith in government.

If you gave them hard proof that the government was involved in these events- video, audio, confessions by criminal parties- they would still prefer to believe in the transformative and wonderful powers of the government.

If they admit that the government does evil things, they can no longer force other people to submit, and their faith dies.

Thank God for the Internet. Most people under 30 now believe that the government is evil because they haven't spent their lives listening to the lies from the government controlled media.

by Anonymousreply 5507/07/2013

And the moon. Do you think we faked landing on the moon, r55?

by Anonymousreply 5607/07/2013

Pet Gays

America, when will you uncloset your Congressional queers?

America, when will you give Lindsey Graham a Senate page with a cell phone and directions to the airport Men’s Room?

More at:

by Anonymousreply 5707/07/2013

W&W R55.

by Anonymousreply 5807/07/2013

R56-

Considering the lies our government has told over the last 100 years, I'm only 99% convinced that the moon landings were real.

If someone gave credible evidence they were faked, it would barely surprise me.

Unlike you, I hold no illusions about the corrupt and evil nature of our government.

Do you believe the official story on 9-11? On TWA 800? On Iraq? Iran wanting nukes? Pearl Harbor? Bay of Pigs? My Lai?

It's hard to find any major event in the last 100 years where the government hasn't lied.

by Anonymousreply 5907/07/2013

troll is trying to sidetrack with moon landings because they don't want to discuss 911

by Anonymousreply 6007/07/2013

R60-

Discussing the reality of government lies would shake her faith.

People that worship the government have to believe that "The Other" is responsible for our problems. Admitting that the IRS, FDA, CIA, FBI, DHS, FAA, FCC, DHHS,BATF, DEA, etc. are more dangerous than any of the problems they were designed to stop would shake their faith in their God Government.

by Anonymousreply 6107/07/2013

Exactly R61. It's always a boogeyman in another country. It can never be the people pumped up by the news because we are told that we are all Americans.

by Anonymousreply 6207/07/2013

R62-

Be careful. "The Other" has become, over the last 20 years (since Oklahoma City) anyone who doesn't toe the US GOVERNMENT party line.

Anyone who thinks the federal government has become a dangerous cancer, far worse than King George, is suspect. Look at how Snowden's revelation of domestic spying, or how the Bluffdale, Utah spy center (which will record every email, every call, every CCTV, every visited website, every credit card transaction, etc.) are destroying our 4th amendment rights.

The sheeple that trust the government are fools. They are just like the Germans in the 1930s- they think they are free until it is too late.

Thank God we have people like Ron Paul (Rand...eh) that are waking people up and showing them the dangers of FASCISM and the beauty of individual liberty.

by Anonymousreply 6307/07/2013

Lines, triangles, and points:

by Anonymousreply 6407/07/2013

another

by Anonymousreply 6507/07/2013

interesting

by Anonymousreply 6607/08/2013

Four airplanes crashed and killed thousands more on the ground and no one in the federal government could be bothered to impanel an investigative body to look into the event until after the victims' families lobbied Congress for eighteen months.

Name one other American plane crash with catastrophic loss of life that didn't result in a federal investigation being launched in the immediate aftermath. Remember, there were FOUR plane crashes that day along with the complete destruction of three skyscrapers.

For what innocent reason could the Bush Administration and the Congress decline to launch an investigation into such a catastrophe for well over a year? And then they only did it hastily, incompletely, and on the cheap.

by Anonymousreply 6707/08/2013

r60, how hard is it to answer ONE specific question?

Did we land on the moon, or did we not?

by Anonymousreply 6807/08/2013

?

by Anonymousreply 6907/08/2013

[quote]The people who worship the government...

Since that doesn't apply to anyone out here in the real world, the rest of your lovely little rant is moot. Nice try, though.

by Anonymousreply 7007/08/2013

Yes, please name someone who "worships" the government.

by Anonymousreply 7107/10/2013

R71, our resident libertarian troll lives in a black-and-white world. If you're not slavishly nodding your head in approval to everything he writes, you must either "worship" the government or work for the NSA. There's no room for nuance or shades of gray.

by Anonymousreply 7207/10/2013

Okay, he's got me, so I'll confess: I have a shrine to Ben Bernanke and Paul Krugman in my bathroom. But it also doubles as a shrine to the Buddha and Joan Crawford. Trying to keep all my bases covered.

by Anonymousreply 7307/10/2013

R68-

Since you're too stupid to read, you will see my reply-

I am 99% convinced the US landed men on the moon. However, if presented with compelling counter factual info I would not have a hard time believing that it was faked.

Do you believe the official story on 9/11? Pearl Harbor? The murder of JFK? My Lai? Bay of Pigs?

Please tell us which official stories by the government that YOU doubt? None of them? Well, that shows what a fucking moronic retard you are.

by Anonymousreply 7407/10/2013

What about the original post???

Do you think the NSA has proof Graham is gay?

by Anonymousreply 7507/10/2013

R73-

Considering how you gobble Ben and Paul's cocks, I'm not shocked.

by Anonymousreply 7607/10/2013

[quote]Considering how you gobble Ben and Paul's cocks, I'm not shocked.

Obviously, you're the "adult" in this thread, convincing everyone with your superior logic. How could we not see the wisdom in your every post?

by Anonymousreply 7707/10/2013

See, here's the thing. First, you have to establish that Graham is gay, for which you have no evidence. Second, you have to establish that the NSA is spying on U.S. Senators, for which you have no evidence. Third, you have to establish that the NSA, through their surveillance, discovered that Graham is gay, for which you have no evidence. Fourth, you have to show that there is a cabal at the center of the NSA which has some sort of perfidious agenda, for which you have no evidence. Fifth, you have to establish that Graham's subservience is critical to the success of this cabal, for which you have no evidence. And sixth, you have to establish that Graham has gone against his principles and voted for whatever the cabal wanted him to vote for in response to its blackmail, for which you have no evidence.

Is Graham gay and does the NSA know this? Neither of these would particularly surprise me but I prefer to have a little actual evidence before going off into loony-land. Is Graham a puppet? Show me his votes and his speeches that demonstrate this. From where I sit, he's pretty consistently voted in the reactionary way that one would expect of him.

In short, and as usual, you got nothing.

by Anonymousreply 7807/11/2013

"First, you have to establish that Graham is gay, for which you have no evidence."

As Karen Walker said, "What? Is she headless?" Any homo can see the gay from space.

"Second, you have to establish that the NSA is spying on U.S. Senators, for which you have no evidence."

The NSA is scanning and saving ALL calls. Just because you're a Senator doesn't mean you're exempt.

"Third, you have to establish that the NSA, through their surveillance, discovered that Graham is gay, for which you have no evidence."

See first and second.

"Fourth, you have to show that there is a cabal at the center of the NSA which has some sort of perfidious agenda, for which you have no evidence."

Deceitful is the NSAs middle name. The first is untrustworthy. Are you really that naive? I prefer to consider you naive or stupid, because the only other option is malevolent.

"Fifth, you have to establish that Graham's subservience is critical to the success of this cabal, for which you have no evidence."

He sits on 4 very powerful committees, including the most powerful- appropriations.

"And sixth, you have to establish that Graham has gone against his principles and voted for whatever the cabal wanted him to vote for in response to its blackmail, for which you have no evidence."

You got me. He has only voted to give the military and their civilian contractors trillions over the last decade. Silly me.

by Anonymousreply 7907/11/2013

Bump

by Anonymousreply 8007/11/2013

Bump for the brain-damaged Libertarian moron, who apparently has nothing else to do but respond to his own posts. Sad, really.

by Anonymousreply 8107/11/2013

Thanks R81

by Anonymousreply 8207/11/2013

[quote]As Karen Walker said, "What? Is she headless?" Any homo can see the gay from space.

I repeat: First, you have to establish that Graham is gay, for which you have no evidence. Thank you for confirming that you do not, in fact, have any evidence. Strike one.

[quote]The NSA is scanning and saving ALL calls. Just because you're a Senator doesn't mean you're exempt.

Nope. They're scanning and saving the metadata. I repeat: Second, you have to establish that the NSA is spying on U.S. Senators, for which you have no evidence. Strike two.

[quote]See first and second.

I repeat: Third, you have to establish that the NSA, through their surveillance, discovered that Graham is gay, for which you have no evidence. Strike three.

[quote]Deceitful is the NSAs middle name. The first is untrustworthy.

I repeat: Fourth, you have to show that there is a cabal at the center of the NSA which has some sort of perfidious agenda, for which you have no evidence. Strike four.

[quote]He sits on 4 very powerful committees, including the most powerful- appropriations.

LOL.... I repeat: Fifth, you have to establish that Graham's subservience is critical to the success of this cabal, for which you have no evidence. Strike five.

[quote]You got me. He has only voted to give the military and their civilian contractors trillions over the last decade. Silly me.

LOL.... He has voted like all other neo-con, militaristic Republicans, moron, and as his constituents want. I repeat: And sixth, you have to establish that Graham has *gone against his principles* [emphasis added] and voted for whatever the cabal wanted him to vote for in response to its blackmail, for which you have no evidence. Strike six.

In short, you have confirmed that you have absolutely *no* evidence and that you have unquestioningly swallowed whole an idiotic story solely because it fed into your paranoid delusions. Now what was that you were saying about "confirmation bias," again?

by Anonymousreply 8307/11/2013

Why does it have to be either/or libertarian troll? I think the US government (and all others) is ALWAYS capable of doing evil things. Sometimes for the self-preservation of an ill conceived ideology (Stalin), sometimes out of greed or some other self-interest (or party-interest or corporate-interest) pursuit (Bush and Iraq), sometimes because it seemed to be one bad deed done for the greater good (FDR and Pearl Harbor) and sometimes a mix of the three.

But that doesn't mean EVERY thing bad that happens is a conspiracy! Sometimes planes just crash. Sometimes terrorists fly planes through buildings, without the requisite thousands of people that would have to know, execute, and keep quiet about for a US conspiracy to be valid. I'll give you JFK. But not 9-11. It would be the most incredible magic trick every if Bush/Cheney Co pulled that off.

by Anonymousreply 8407/11/2013

You would think all the politicians would be focusing on the agency, Booz Allen Hamilton who employed Snowden. Booz Allen derives 99% of their revenue from the federal government and they just received a brand new $26 million dollar contract from a government agency last month

by Anonymousreply 8507/12/2013

Do people believe Ms Lindzy is straight?

by Anonymousreply 8607/16/2013

R84, this five minute video shows why anyone who defends the official story of 9/11 is a fool.

When a cabal of Neo-Cons calls for a "New Pearl Harbor" to jump-start their "Plan for a New American Century" and then they get that "New Pearl Harbor" shortly after gaining control of the Federal Government, Occam's Razor says the simplest explanation is they are the ones who made it happen - especially as they are the ones who made billions off it.

by Anonymousreply 8707/16/2013

R87

You'll like this---

Recent studies by psychologists and social scientists in the US and UK suggest that contrary to mainstream media stereotypes, those labeled “conspiracy theorists” appear to be saner than those who accept the official versions of contested events.

The most recent study was published on July 8th by psychologists Michael J. Wood and Karen M. Douglas of the University of Kent (UK). Entitled “What about Building 7? A social psychological study of online discussion of 9/11 conspiracy theories,” the study compared “conspiracist” (pro-conspiracy theory) and “conventionalist” (anti-conspiracy) comments at news websites.

The authors were surprised to discover that it is now more conventional to leave so-called conspiracist comments than conventionalist ones: “Of the 2174 comments collected, 1459 were coded as conspiracist and 715 as conventionalist.” In other words, among people who comment on news articles, those who disbelieve government accounts of such events as 9/11 and the JFK assassination outnumber believers by more than two to one. That means it is the pro-conspiracy commenters who are expressing what is now the conventional wisdom, while the anti-conspiracy commenters are becoming a small, beleaguered minority.

Perhaps because their supposedly mainstream views no longer represent the majority, the anti-conspiracy commenters often displayed anger and hostility: “The research… showed that people who favoured the official account of 9/11 were generally more hostile when trying to persuade their rivals.”

Additionally, it turned out that the anti-conspiracy people were not only hostile, but fanatically attached to their own conspiracy theories as well. According to them, their own theory of 9/11 – a conspiracy theory holding that 19 Arabs, none of whom could fly planes with any proficiency, pulled off the crime of the century under the direction of a guy on dialysis in a cave in Afghanistan – was indisputably true. The so-called conspiracists, on the other hand, did not pretend to have a theory that completely explained the events of 9/11: “For people who think 9/11 was a government conspiracy, the focus is not on promoting a specific rival theory, but in trying to debunk the official account.”

by Anonymousreply 8807/16/2013

In short, the new study by Wood and Douglas suggests that the negative stereotype of the conspiracy theorist – a hostile fanatic wedded to the truth of his own fringe theory – accurately describes the people who defend the official account of 9/11, not those who dispute it.

Additionally, the study found that so-called conspiracists discuss historical context (such as viewing the JFK assassination as a precedent for 9/11) more than anti-conspiracists. It also found that the so-called conspiracists to not like to be called “conspiracists” or “conspiracy theorists.”

Both of these findings are amplified in the new book Conspiracy Theory in America by political scientist Lance deHaven-Smith, published earlier this year by the University of Texas Press. Professor deHaven-Smith explains why people don’t like being called “conspiracy theorists”: The term was invented and put into wide circulation by the CIA to smear and defame people questioning the JFK assassination! “The CIA’s campaign to popularize the term ‘conspiracy theory’ and make conspiracy belief a target of ridicule and hostility must be credited, unfortunately, with being one of the most successful propaganda initiatives of all time.”

In other words, people who use the terms “conspiracy theory” and “conspiracy theorist” as an insult are doing so as the result of a well-documented, undisputed, historically-real conspiracy by the CIA to cover up the JFK assassination. That campaign, by the way, was completely illegal, and the CIA officers involved were criminals; the CIA is barred from all domestic activities, yet routinely breaks the law to conduct domestic operations ranging from propaganda to assassinations.

DeHaven-Smith also explains why those who doubt official explanations of high crimes are eager to discuss historical context. He points out that a very large number of conspiracy claims have turned out to be true, and that there appear to be strong relationships between many as-yet-unsolved “state crimes against democracy.” An obvious example is the link between the JFK and RFK assassinations, which both paved the way for presidencies that continued the Vietnam War. According to DeHaven-Smith, we should always discuss the “Kennedy assassinations” in the plural, because the two killings appear to have been aspects of the same larger crime.

by Anonymousreply 8907/16/2013

Psychologist Laurie Manwell of the University of Guelph agrees that the CIA-designed “conspiracy theory” label impedes cognitive function. She points out, in an article published inAmerican Behavioral Scientist (2010), that anti-conspiracy people are unable to think clearly about such apparent state crimes against democracy as 9/11 due to their inability to process information that conflicts with pre-existing belief.

In the same issue of ABS, University of Buffalo professor Steven Hoffman adds that anti-conspiracy people are typically prey to strong “confirmation bias” – that is, they seek out information that confirms their pre-existing beliefs, while using irrational mechanisms (such as the “conspiracy theory” label) to avoid conflicting information.

The extreme irrationality of those who attack “conspiracy theories” has been ably exposed by Communications professors Ginna Husting and Martin Orr of Boise State University. In a 2007 peer-reviewed article entitled “Dangerous Machinery: ‘Conspiracy Theorist’ as a Transpersonal Strategy of Exclusion,” they wrote:

“If I call you a conspiracy theorist, it matters little whether you have actually claimed that a conspiracy exists or whether you have simply raised an issue that I would rather avoid… By labeling you, I strategically exclude you from the sphere where public speech, debate, and conflict occur.”

But now, thanks to the internet, people who doubt official stories are no longer excluded from public conversation; the CIA’s 44-year-old campaign to stifle debate using the “conspiracy theory” smear is nearly worn-out. In academic studies, as in comments on news articles, pro-conspiracy voices are now more numerous – and more rational – than anti-conspiracy ones. No wonder the anti-conspiracy people are sounding more and more like a bunch of hostile, paranoid cranks.

by Anonymousreply 9007/16/2013

Here's the link.

by Anonymousreply 9107/16/2013

Excuse me: that should be "Project for a New American Century," not "Plan."

At any rate, it was the Neo-Cons who attacked the USA on 9/11 and pretended it was Muslim terrorists in order to jump-start a permanent surveillance society and a century of war. The liars who control the US media are backing up their war-mongering pals in the corridors of power.

by Anonymousreply 9207/16/2013

Dear libertarian Idiot Troll: you do realize you're linking to a news source from Iran? Whose government believes a. there aren't homosexuals in Iran, and b. the Holocaust didn't happen?

by Anonymousreply 9307/16/2013

R92-

The fact that PNAC hasn't hidden their agenda- any news outlet can read their goals, plans, etc. - and many non-US news sites have reported on it extensively...well, it just shows how deeply incestuous the DC/MSMedia nexus is. Numerous reporters have talked (off the record, usually) about how they are excluded and/or ejected from White House press events if they ask tough questions. The pressure from the owners to "play ball" is enormous. It's the Hegelian dialectic taken to (il)logical extreme.

People that believe, uncritically, what they read in the US/UK/EU news media are willfully ignorant. "Useful Idiots" is the perfect term.

by Anonymousreply 9407/16/2013

Dear retarded fascist moron@R93

You do realize that your knowledge of Iranian culture is so warped it creates an event horizon where nothing intelligent can escape?

That what you think you know about Iran has been filtered through propagandistic techniques that would make Goebbles fart, shit, sneeze, cough and cum at the same time?

Are you really that stupid, or do you just play a retard on TV?

by Anonymousreply 9507/16/2013

R52/77/83-

I love your posts.

I just figured it out - they are some kind of performance art(?) based on the old "I know you are but what am I" children's schoolyard taunts.

Bravo.

Now that I know you are kidding, and really just do it to prove my points...well, bravo. You had me going.

I'm glad you get it, and understand the serious dangers posed by the Federal Reserve and exponential government debt, but please let the rest of the posters know you're just kidding. It would really help.

by Anonymousreply 9607/16/2013

I guess everybody knows Graham sucks dick.

by Anonymousreply 9707/17/2013

I think it's a useful thing to use against this senator. Even if it isn't true, enough people would believe it. Spread the word that he is gay and encourage the vitriol and hatred which will surely follow. We could even speculate about various sexual activities he might prefer. He could be gotten out of the senate quite easily this way. We might even try it on more Repubs.

by Anonymousreply 9807/17/2013

Elizabeth Warren is into scat.

by Anonymousreply 9907/17/2013

OP, 39% of the replies are yours. What admirable restraint your showing here.

Admirable for you anyway.

by Anonymousreply 10007/17/2013

OP's last 4 posts, especially, reveal a mental illness that needs to be medicated.

by Anonymousreply 10107/17/2013

[quote]I love your posts.

Love you too, snookums. I find them endlessly entertaining.

[quote]I just figured it out - they are some kind of performance art(?) based on the old "I know you are but what am I" children's schoolyard taunts.

ROFL.... There's that projection again, dear. Oh, and it hasn't escaped anyone's notice that you have once again chosen to engage in childish ad hominem attacks rather than actually defend your statements here. Were you planning to do so anytime soon? We're still waiting for that evidence.

by Anonymousreply 10207/17/2013

Graham is still gay.

by Anonymousreply 10307/22/2013

And you still haven't provided any evidence, R103, but then that's what we have come to expect from you, just mindlessly repeating the same drivel, over and over again, ad nauseam.

by Anonymousreply 10407/22/2013

The military-industrial complex at work.

by Anonymousreply 10507/23/2013

R105-

Military -Industrial- CONGRESSIONAL complex.

R104-

Some of us have functional gaydar, some of us "know people who know people" and some of us can just see the gay oozing out of him.

by Anonymousreply 10607/23/2013

[quote]Some of us have functional gaydar, some of us "know people who know people" and some of us can just see the gay oozing out of him.

Just like your mental illness shines through brighter than a 10K spotlight.

by Anonymousreply 10707/23/2013

R107

Just like trolldar shines piss-yellow when you defend the government.

Will you ever quit sucking government dick?

by Anonymousreply 10807/24/2013

[quote]Some of us have functional gaydar, some of us "know people who know people" and some of us can just see the gay oozing out of him.

Uh-huh. Just as you "know" that the economy is going to experience a total meltdown, that gold is going to climb to 20,000 an ounce, that hyperinflation is going to happen any day now, really, this time we mean it.

Evidence never has been a priority with you, has it?

by Anonymousreply 10907/24/2013

Graham's gay as a Christmas goose

by Anonymousreply 11007/25/2013

He's gay!

by Anonymousreply 11107/25/2013

So if you say something over and over again, that makes it true, even if you don't have a shred of evidence? Interesting viewpoint you have there but it definitely explains a lot.

by Anonymousreply 11207/25/2013
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