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"Strangers On A Train" - Great Hitchcock movie

Just watched it. It really is about 2 gay guys, though, one is closeted, per the times. Farley Granger (real life gay boy) was so cute, and Robert Walker, playing the queenier psycho, was great.

by Brunoreply 7710/02/2014

OK, what makes Farley Granger's character gay? Start talking.

by Brunoreply 106/29/2013

And what makes the Robert Walker character, "queenier"?

by Brunoreply 206/29/2013

I guess it is reading some backstory info, on the way Hitchcock saw it. I know it sounds like an excuse, but cant remember where it was. Hitchcock felt they were both gay - that Granger's character was attracted to Walker's, but couldn't acknowledge it . He was marrying 'for money' - to Ruth Roman. Anyway, could not show that on screen at that time, obviously.

And RE2, the Walker character is gay - watch his walk, his looks, everything about him. Psycho gay man.

by Brunoreply 406/29/2013

Funny that in real like , the 'straight' Guy was gay, and the psycho 'gay' , Bruno, was straight. Married to Jennifer Jones, who left him for producer David Selznick.

by Brunoreply 506/30/2013

R1, he was pretty and meticulously groomed; he was a champion tennis player; his first wife, Miriam, was a mousy-looking tramp who was probably his hag in prep school; his relationship with his fiancee, Ann, lacked chemistry and seemed borne more out of convenience rather than love; and the way he straightened out Bruno's bowtie before escorting him out of the party seemed like a gay thing to do.

by Brunoreply 606/30/2013

Bravo r6!

And Guy is gorgeous.....much prettier than the typical 1940s Hollywood leading man. He's clearly depicted by Hitchcock as the love object to all the other characters, male and female....again very atypical to 1940s Hollywood.

by Brunoreply 706/30/2013

The scene at the tennis match is awesome. Whenever someone thinks they "don't like old movies", you can show them this, or Notorious, or Rebecca, and they will be spellbound for 2 hours. He was truly a genius.

by Brunoreply 806/30/2013

Rear Window as well, r8. Even people who don't like older movies like that one.

by Brunoreply 906/30/2013

Hitchcock in general is the perfect filmmaker for people who don't like old movies.

Though Vertigo does take a higher IQ to comprehend.

by Brunoreply 1006/30/2013

Don't forget the brilliant and underrated Shadow of a Doubt!

by Brunoreply 1106/30/2013

Claire Trevor really was the perfect Noir doll - smart, clever, stylish, but with that cheap / sleazy edge. Little known fact - Trevor really was clever & savvy. When her career slowed down , went on to marry Milton Bren, a Hollywood producer ( he made "Topper", among others), but more importantly, a real estate developer - did much of the Sunset Strip, and would go on to begin the area in Orange County , known as Irvine. Became a billionaire.

by Brunoreply 1206/30/2013

I love the woman who played guy's wife Marion, she was such a sleaze. Pat Hitchcock was good too.

by Brunoreply 1306/30/2013

Well Hitchcock's Rope definitely featured two gay characters who appear to be romantically involved.

by Brunoreply 1406/30/2013

[RE13] Little known fact - 'Marian' was played by actress Casey Rogers, then billed as Laura Elliot. She would go on to play Louise Tate, Larry Tate's wife, on " Bewitched" . Marion Lorne who played 'Aunt Clara' ,the ditzy one, on the same show, was also in "Strangers", playing Bruno's equally ditzy mother.

by Brunoreply 1506/30/2013

Wow, that's so weird R15, but great trivia, thanks for the info!

by Brunoreply 1606/30/2013

Weird fact: Casey Rogers/Laura Elliot, who played the sleazy wife Miriam, looks EXACTLY like my mother when she was young. Yep, in the late 1940s, Mom had the same hairstyle, the same glasses, and the same face.

Imagine that, the next time you watch this film.

by Brunoreply 1706/30/2013

[RE17] I know your mom, and I am going to tell. Oh yes, I am going to TELL !

by Brunoreply 1806/30/2013

"Kiss Of Death" When Richard Widmark takes the old lady in the wheelchair, and throws her down the stairs, is chilling

by Brunoreply 1906/30/2013

Was Claire Trevor ever in a Hitchcock film?

by Brunoreply 2006/30/2013

R19, it's one of the most shocking and brutal scenes that I've ever seen in that era of films, or maybe any era.

by Brunoreply 2106/30/2013

I recently watched Hitchcock's final film The Family Plot on DVD.

I loved that film when it first came out, was a fan of Barbara Harris from her Broadway musicals and thought Bruce Dern was really hot back in 1977.....but the film hasn't held up very well (or maybe my youthful enthusiasm carried it back then). The humor now seemed effortful and the plotting was overly simplistic.

It was a strange choice for Hitchcock. The leads were decidedly working class characters and the art direction and costuming, though rightfully tacky, was depressing. There was none of the elegance of most of Hitchcock's other films. I wonder if he was attempting something that was more in keeping with 70s cinema realism?

by Brunoreply 2206/30/2013

[quote]"Kiss Of Death" When Richard Widmark takes the old lady in the wheelchair, and throws her down the stairs, is chilling

What does that have to do with Hitchcock?

by Brunoreply 2306/30/2013

Actually, R23, Hitchcock only made those glamorous films for part of his career, around the 1950s. His early films were set in the workaday real world, and he started moving away from the lushly expensive-looking 1950s films when he made "Psycho" in 1960. There are traces of the old glamour in "The Birds" and "Marnie", but his late films were as unglamorous as the early ones.

I'm not sure if that was purely an artistic choice, or of the 1950s was the only time he got enough funding to put anything he liked on the screen.

by Brunoreply 2406/30/2013

Topaz was pretty glam.

by Brunoreply 2507/01/2013

My favorite scene is when the Robert Walker character is walking around the fair and casually pops a little girls balloon with his ciarette.

by Brunoreply 2607/01/2013

Walker was great the way he pronounced 'Guy' . He dragged it out, and made it 3 sylables. Like Gaaiee. Tre gay.

by Brunoreply 2707/01/2013

" The Man Who Knew Too Much" is very good. Lots going on, between Morrocco, then all over London. Day is great with Stewart - they fit together well, chemistry wise. Like the comedy interludes, of the friends waiting at the hotel ( including Carolyn Jones - TV's Morticia Addams).

by Brunoreply 2807/01/2013

Patricia Highsmith knew us so well.

by Brunoreply 2907/01/2013

Farley Granger was an old trick of Arthur Laurents. But then, who wasn't

by Brunoreply 3007/01/2013

Farley was more than just a trick - weren't they live-in lovers for a while?

by Brunoreply 3107/01/2013

Could be. Farley's also very good in another noir, I can't think of now - was director Nick Ray's first movie. He and a woman on the run

by Brunoreply 3207/01/2013

r30 laurents has some interesting stuff to say about the making of "Rope". Hitchcock was very keen to cast Cary Grant as the teacher Rupert Cadell. He wanted to suggest the possibility of a sexual relationship between John Dall or Granger, Cadells old students who are obviously a couple in the movie. Pretty strong stuff for 1948. Anyway Grant declined. Apparently he found the role too...intricate or complex or just too queer. James Stewart got the job and is fine in the film. And completely sexless.

by Brunoreply 3307/01/2013

"They Live By Night" . Good film. Farley's sexy in it. Didn't realize he died 2 years ago.

by Brunoreply 3407/01/2013

33 here. Sorry meant to say a sexual relationship between Cadell and ex-students~ Dall and Granger.

by Brunoreply 3507/01/2013

Was "The Way We Were" supposed to be based on a real-life gay relationship that Arthur Laurents had.

by Brunoreply 3607/01/2013

This is the movie where I fell in love with Farley Granger.

Then I saw ROPE - even better.

by Brunoreply 3707/01/2013

I first saw Granger when his character was married to Lisa on "As the World Turns" in the late 80s and even then, I found him rather handsome for an older man.

And kinda gay.

by Brunoreply 3807/01/2013

Hitchcock's style changed immediately once he reached Hollywood and had access to much more capital.

"Rebecca" (Hollywood) and "The Lady Vanishes" (UK) are only two years apart and seem miles away in style and content. Both are great films but very different.

by Brunoreply 3907/01/2013

More trivia - the scenes in " Rebecca" where Olivier & Fontaine, are driving to Mandelay, were actually shot in Carmel, CA. - where Joan Fontaine, now in her mid 90's , lives today.The exterior of Mandelay was actually a miniature set - about 1 ft. tall, built on a table. The inside was all studio sets. So, in reality, there was no real house- all an illusion.

by Brunoreply 4008/23/2013

I loved Walker's mother in this.

by Brunoreply 4108/23/2013

Carmel was also where Hitchcock shot the exterior scenes in "Suspicion", again doubling for the English coastline, and again starring Fontaine. Maybe that's when she discovered the area, and decided to stay, when she retired. Doris Day shot "Julie" there in 1956, and ended up retiring there too. It's a beautiful place.

by Brunoreply 4208/23/2013

My favorite scene in any Hitchcock film is in Strangers when Bruno takes that ridiculous little carnival boat and slowly put put puts over to the island, commits a brutal murder, and then slowly put put puts back to the dock.

by Brunoreply 4308/23/2013

The other day the SiriusXM old radio show channel played a radio adaption of SOAT. It was one of those Lux Radio Theater shows where they use then current movies as a basis for a radio play. Sometimes they get the original cast (or most of it), but on this one they have Ray Milland and Frank Lovejoy in place of Walker and Granger (with Ruth Roman from the original cast.) It just wasn't the same, and of course you don't get the great Hitchcock visuals.

by Brunoreply 4408/23/2013

I like Hitchcock's use of 'lookalikes'. When one blonde looks like the other. It's blatant in "Vertigo" (a film I've never really liked). In SOAT it's Farley's sister and the pregnant dead girl. Vera Miles looks like Janet Leigh in "Psycho"...

Other directors like DePalma picked up on it and made good movies.

by Brunoreply 4508/23/2013

Watched it on my PBS station last night. Astonishing that Robert Walker was only 32 years old. Yes, he was a drinker, but some of our current celebs drink and drug and look better at 32.

And then there's Lindsay Lohan, who has looked 32 since she was 19.

by Brunoreply 4609/29/2013

It's on TCM this afternoon at 1:00 Pacific/4:00 Eastern.

by Brunoreply 4709/29/2013

Hitchcock blamed the original failure of Vertigo on Stewart, saying he was too old to be a leading man.

by Brunoreply 4809/29/2013

Robert Walker was absolute genius in this role. Tragically, he died not long after the film's release from a lethal combination of a barbituate (administered by his doctor) and alcohol. It was accidental. Walker was an alcoholic and had mental problems. He suffered a nervous breakdown after his wife, Jennifer Jones, left him for David Selznick. Of course, all this backstory seems to have made the part of Bruno perfect for him, right? Gay men of that era all had that kind of tortured drama?

Patricia Hitchcock, lisp and all, was wonderful in her role in this film. She is the only surviving remaining cast member from the movie, btw.

by Brunoreply 4909/29/2013

Pat Hitchcock was lucky to have such an influential person as Daddy. He could cast a girl whose face was perfect for radio and let her have a teeny tiny career for a few years. Strangers on a Train is a great film, one of Hitch's top offerings.

by Brunoreply 5009/29/2013

R1, R2, have you seen the film? OP is right.

by Brunoreply 5109/29/2013

R22, I was never able to watch Family Plot, for all of the reasons you mentioned (those depressing beiges...)

Not a fan of Frenzy either.

by Brunoreply 5209/29/2013

R24, I'd venture to say in the 1940s he belonged to Selznick, and Selznick had the cash and the will to make his film luxurious, whereas later Hitchcock set up his own company, I believe around the time of Psycho, hence has less money for big-budget films.

Read Stephen Rebello's book on the making of Psycho - the film with Mirren &c was crap, but the book is excellent.

by Brunoreply 5309/29/2013

Patricia Highsmith was one of us.

by Brunoreply 5409/29/2013

Very homophobic film, just like most of them from the "golden age of Hollywood". And the irony is, it's the gays who are fascinated and obsessed with them.

by Brunoreply 5509/29/2013

DePalma is a crap director. Watch Black Dahlia or Bonfire of the Vanities if you dare.

Hate the boring boredom that is Vertigo.

by Brunoreply 5609/29/2013

Because it's still talks about homosexuality. I'm not sure it's homophobic really, though. Bruno is the bad guy and Guy is the good guy, but Hitchcock much preferred bruno, because he's more interesting. I'm pretty sure he was bored with a goody-two-shoes like Guy.

Aren't those films saying that crime is the only way out by people marginalised by society?

by Brunoreply 5709/29/2013

I don't think it's homophobic at all. Hitchcock made it very plain that Bruno's mother was a crackpot and you're supposed to assume that insanity runs in the family because that was the prevailing belief at the time.

by Brunoreply 5809/29/2013

[quote] In SOAT it's Farley's sister and the pregnant dead girl.

Farley doesn't have a sister. She's his fiancé's sister.

by Brunoreply 5909/29/2013

[quote]Farley doesn't have a sister. She's his fiancé's sister.

Farley was only gay in real life. In the movie, he has a fiancée.

by Brunoreply 6009/29/2013

Hitchcock did all kinds of films. He liked all kinds of stories and liked to dabble. He did film noir (The Wrong Man) and Psycho was his answer to the cheap Roger Corman films of the era. Rope was an experiment with sets and camera use.

Early films were working class (The Lodger, Sabotage), middle class (The 39 Steps, East of shanghai), and upper class (The Man Who Knew Too Much).

In Hollywood he did all kinds of films. Shadow of a Doubt was all about the seamy underside of the wholesome middle class American life. It was tremendously symbolic and the symbolism was largely lost on the audience who saw it as a straight suspense film.

Throughout the film, Hitchcock presents us with doubles. The good, wholesome Charley and her seamy Uncle Charley who arrives in "beautiful, sunny Santa Rosa," from a seedy East Coast urban neighborhood. Charley dreams of an exciting life while her uncle is jumping over rooftops escaping from police. And on it goes, through the whole film. We're given a throwaway line about Uncle Charlie having changed after being knocked off his bicycle as a boy and hitting his head, but that probably came from the higher ups. Hitchcock was all about showing sunshine, smiles and tranquility living right beside murder, resentment and greed.

He did secret agent films long before the 60s fad for them. He was one of the originators of the film genre.

You can't really put a label on him. He did comedy in his TV show appearances and in his film Trouble With Harry. He made as many meh films as masterpieces. He sometimes got caught up in the details, as in Topaz where he wanted to show how difficult it was to kill someone, but he ended up boring the audience.

by Brunoreply 6109/29/2013

Last night, I dreamt I went to MANDERLEY agaaaaain...

by Brunoreply 6209/29/2013

R.62 I could watch Rebecca at least once a year, and frequently do, even more! Talk about agaaaaiiiin and againnnnn. Fabulous.

by Brunoreply 6309/29/2013

Bruno, even with his criminal behavior, is a sympathetic character, plainly. This is due to the brilliance of Walker's portrayal and Hitchcock's direction. Guy's wife, while, of course, not deserving to be killed, is looked at as unsympathetic. We see her actions through Bruno's eyes. We see her as rather irresponsible and impetuous. Her flirty behavior, in spite of wearing those thick glasses, make her seem all the more bold and a bit stupid, even. She "eye flirts" with Bruno without a trace of fear. And it gets her followed and then killed.

Guy is boring. The wholesome "Mr. Perfect" All American tennis star is supremely uninteresting. He only IS interesting in his interactions with Bruno. One can easily surmise that there is sexual tension between the two. And Guy is suppressing his attraction/fascination because, well, that is what one DID in 1950. Another interpretation is that Guy is too un-self aware to understand his own feelings. So he rejects Bruno out of social convention. Homosexuality as an acceptable behavior/paradigm was completely unheard of in mainstream films of that time. Hitch got so much past the censors. What a genius.

by Brunoreply 6409/29/2013

Starts in 9 minutes.

by Brunoreply 6509/29/2013

R63, "Why don't you JUST GO...you've nothing to stay for, nothing to live for...look, so EEEEAAAASY..."

by Brunoreply 6609/29/2013

I couldn't help but notice, this time around, how much the currant pornstar Alexander Garrett looks like Farley Granger!! .. Check it out!

by Brunoreply 6709/29/2013

Sorry. Make that current, not currant.

by Brunoreply 6809/29/2013

But can we all agree that Farley was perfectly cast as the tennis playing love object?

Interesting to me that he was under contract to Selznick as Farley was the male version of Jennifer Jones' girl next door fevered sluttiness.

by Brunoreply 6909/29/2013

No one was ever as slutty as Jennifer Jones as Pearl in Duel in the Sun. Not good, mind you, but truly slutty. That was a really synthetic career.

by Brunoreply 7009/29/2013

I would still maintain that there was something rather 1970s tacky TV movie-ish about Family Plot.

Comparing its working class milieu to earlier Hitchcocks isn't really fair.

by Brunoreply 7109/30/2013

Hitchcock initially wanted William Holden to play Guy, but Holden turned him down so Hitch went with Farley, whom he had worked with in Rope.

by Brunoreply 7209/30/2013

I remember when Family Plot was released (I was a pre-teen) and thought, even at that young age, it bore no resemblance to the work of Alfred Hitchcock. Silly and shallow, with bad 70's cinematography.

by Brunoreply 7309/30/2013

DOC'S JOY JUICE KILLED BOOZY HEARTBROKEN HITCHCOCK PSYCHO!

by Brunoreply 7409/30/2013

What a tacky article. "Doc's joy juice?" Bleeech.

Judy Garland used to drive around LA at night searching bars looking for Walker during the filming of The Clock. She understood, of course, his mental and addiction issues. He was a particular mess in 1944-45 (the time The Clock was in principal photography) since the break-up with Jones was still fresh. Funny and rather ironic that Judy would have been helping someone ELSE with those issues but at that time she was MGM's top money earner and was relatively stable. Vincente was directing, too, which helped HER stay on her game. Amazing that those stars were so messed up personally but, when the cameras rolled, it was absolute magic.

by Brunoreply 7509/30/2013

Amazing to think that The Clock was the ONLY non-musical Judy ever made for MGM. She was brilliant in it and the film was a huge hit.

I can't help but think that had LB thrown her a great drama every once in awhile, a film that would only take a few easy weeks to make, she would have been fresher and happier doing her musical films.

by Brunoreply 7609/30/2013

Bump.

I'm watching this right now, and I'm feeling horrible for Miriam. I never knew she was played by Kasey Rogers, perhaps better known for playing Louise Tate.

Farley was hot.

by Brunoreply 7710/02/2014
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