But Moscow is not believed to be his final destination.
Snowden leaves Hong Kong for Moscow
|by Anonymous||reply 147||06/27/2013|
I seriously doubt he'll be able to leave Moscow without handing over any and all information he has.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||06/23/2013|
Next stop: Iran
|by Anonymous||reply 5||06/23/2013|
What can I say...I just love freedom and democracy.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||06/23/2013|
Yes, heading to Moscow will send the message that I'm all about freedom. Russia is so much freer than America could ever be. Wonder if I'm going to like living there, closely watched, until Putin croaks.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||06/23/2013|
Something seems wrong with him and his story. I suspect he's not a whistle blower, but an actor playing a role. I think he is a phony and part of yet another republican manufactured scandal. His claim of reading all the documents he released can't be true, given the number and his service time it's not even mathematically possible.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||06/23/2013|
Why haven't we just assassinated the little bastard?
Okay so seriously. He runs to our former Cold War enemy. Next he goes to China I would assume. He is no hero.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||06/23/2013|
God, there's a lot of freepers on this thread.
You can track his flight live via the link. Not far from Moscow now. Next stop Havanna apparantly.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||06/23/2013|
I think he's on his way to asylum in Iceland.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||06/23/2013|
LOVE his reply to a question from Kimberly Dozier, AP Intelligence & Counterterrorism writer
[quote]US officials say terrorists already altering TTPs because of your leaks, & calling you traitor. Respond?
[quote] US officials say this every time there's a public discussion that could limit their authority. US officials also provide misleading or directly false assertions about the value of these programs, as they did just recently with the Zazi case, which court documents clearly show was not unveiled by PRISM.
Journalists should ask a specific question: since these programs began operation shortly after September 11th, how many terrorist attacks were prevented SOLELY by information derived from this suspicionless surveillance that could not be gained via any other source? Then ask how many individual communications were ingested to acheive that, and ask yourself if it was worth it. Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it.
Further, it's important to bear in mind I'm being called a traitor by men like former Vice President Dick Cheney. This is a man who gave us the warrantless wiretapping scheme as a kind of atrocity warm-up on the way to deceitfully engineering a conflict that has killed over 4,400 and maimed nearly 32,000 Americans, as well as leaving over 100,000 Iraqis dead. Being called a traitor by Dick Cheney is the highest honor you can give an American, and the more panicked talk we hear from people like him, Feinstein, and King, the better off we all are. If they had taught a class on how to be the kind of citizen Dick Cheney worries about, I would have finished high school.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||06/23/2013|
If he gets there. He must be giving Russia something though, if they are helping him fly out.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||06/23/2013|
He's right in the "Journalists should ask question..." paragraph
The journalists have not been doing their job. That is a big part of it.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||06/23/2013|
Wow. He (not wrongly) critiques (not exposes) the NSA spying program and only goes to countries with horrible human rights violations? WTF?
|by Anonymous||reply 16||06/23/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 17||06/23/2013|
R16 - as a rule of thumb, the more sensitive someone is about civil rights violations by Western nations, the more relaxed they tend to be about non-Western ones, even if the latter are much worse (see also Assange, Greenwald, Chomsky, Stone...the list goes on).
|by Anonymous||reply 18||06/23/2013|
He's a Rand Paul following, libertarian freak. A bad guy who now thinks he's a great hero. Hope he spends the rest of his life in a Russian prison.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||06/23/2013|
Lots of neocon hysteria on this thread.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||06/23/2013|
Moscow? This story just keeps getting better. He's an arrogant naif.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||06/23/2013|
Yeah, Russia is an odd choice for someone who claims to be fighting for freedom. Or is he going there to take on Putin? Oh my sides!
|by Anonymous||reply 23||06/23/2013|
Where would you go, R22/23 sweethearts?
Do tell. The U.S.?
Because it SO (cough) upholds international law, including never starting wars based on lies.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||06/23/2013|
Moscow --> Havana --> Caracas
|by Anonymous||reply 25||06/23/2013|
Iceland was available, no?
|by Anonymous||reply 26||06/23/2013|
HE'S ON THE RUN, BITCHES!!!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 27||06/23/2013|
It's interesting to note the crap toeing-the-line job mainstream media is doing on the story with the exception of The Guardian which broke it. The story is being solely told from the govts point of view. It shows the huge hole in America media because it doesn't have a single prominent leftist media voice for balance.
The German Justice Minister has called the latest leaks "a Hollywood nightmare." But there seems little concern in America about the outrageous breaches going on that have truly created the Orwellian surveillance society.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||06/23/2013|
He is about to get a wake up call in Russia. They will not let him out the door without giving them a boatload of information. If they abuse him he will get no sympathy from the US.
Also if he goes to cuba he is a moron. The current cuban government is not as isolated and would likely gladly turn him over to the us for a price.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||06/23/2013|
He's already landed. A car with Ecuadoran diplomatic plates has been seen at the airport. He was accompanied by a Wikileaks legal adviser who is supposed to watch over him (and supposedly keep him safe). I wonder if Moscow will even let him deplane into the Ecuadoran car.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||06/23/2013|
I don't think Snowden is going to like the way this turns out for him.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||06/23/2013|
Not liking what the US government does is understandable, but just blowing the lid off it to the public may not be the best way to deal with it. People understand the government has secrets and spies on its citizens and foreign governments. That's why Wikileaks kinda fizzled out. No one cared.
Venezuela is a shithole and a dangerous one. Snowden will get over Venezuela fast. Wonder how Julian A feels holed up in the Ecuadoran embassy for the next four years. Wonder if he'd do it again.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||06/23/2013|
Venezuelans involved. Guardian has a live blog.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||06/23/2013|
Countdown to his "suicide" . . .
|by Anonymous||reply 34||06/23/2013|
No, R34, he's safe until they wave the next bit of Kardashian/Hilton/Lohan/Sheen sparkly in front of us.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||06/23/2013|
The Guardian is treating this trip like a travelogue. Very, very silly:
"Quito is a stunning city in the mountains with great food, decent internet, reasonable prices and easy access to Pacific beaches and Amazon forest."
|by Anonymous||reply 36||06/23/2013|
I didn't see anything about any place in Ecuador to be "stunning." I'd take Peru, Chile, or Colombia over Ecuador.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||06/23/2013|
CIA agents in Venezuela waiting for the fun to begin........
|by Anonymous||reply 38||06/23/2013|
Actually, Ecuador is considered one of the top places for Americans to retire - inexpensive, good weather, good health care system, beaches, etc. There's plenty of American expats there.
Venezuela, on the other hand, is showing signs of hyperinflation.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||06/23/2013|
It amazes me how many of you don't grasp the fact that he isn't going to Russia because he wants to live there.
He is going there because he wants to live.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||06/23/2013|
Ecuador it is.
The US media and political clowns are sputtering like the last dregs of the lube in a crusty post-Folsom bottle of Astroglide.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||06/23/2013|
r26, Iceland or South America, which one would you pick?
|by Anonymous||reply 42||06/23/2013|
I'd choose Iceland, personally.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||06/23/2013|
Iceland was ruled out because he'd have to touch down where NSA could nab him, R43.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||06/23/2013|
I would love nothing more then seeing Duane Chapman snatch Snowden when he arrives in equador. He did nap the max factor rapist in Mexico did he not?
|by Anonymous||reply 45||06/23/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 46||06/23/2013|
I guess I'd be a bit leery of Ecuador -- too unstable. A coup, or a change of government, and Snowden is on a plane to the USA.
But he was too hot even for Putin.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||06/23/2013|
Rafael Correa is a hottie. I'd claim asylum for a chance to be interrogated by him.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||06/23/2013|
Venezuela is a crime ridden shit hole, he would have been kidnapped at arrival and then murdered in some remote road, not by the CIA but by local criminals.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||06/23/2013|
Having lived in various countries in South America as a child, I can say that Ecuador is one of the least developed and least enjoyable countries on the continent. It's barely better than Bolivia, Paraguay, and Venezuela (the three worst).
|by Anonymous||reply 50||06/23/2013|
Aren't there any really nice places in the world that don't have extradition treaties with the USA? I mean, places with pleasant governments and good restaurants.
It would be good to have a list, just in case.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||06/23/2013|
R51, Andorra, Madagascar and Morocco. The rest are pretty much horrid.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||06/23/2013|
You know, R52, the whole point of mockingly calling people "tinhats" is that such people are supposedly paranoid that the government is snooping and prying into their privacy and trying to profile them based on their thoughts.
And it turns out that the government is doing exactly that.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||06/23/2013|
Land in Moscow? Talk about playing into the "traitorous spy" stereotype!
He must have Paula Deen's PR team.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||06/23/2013|
Here's the bottom line for me: none of this surveillance will go away. There are too many corporate fingers in the government pie. So what was the point?
|by Anonymous||reply 57||06/23/2013|
R57, waiting for his RIFD chip. On his knees.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||06/23/2013|
[quote]There are too many corporate fingers in the government pie.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||06/23/2013|
It really is terrific how he has turned the attention away from the NSA's domestic activities to its foreign operations.
He is not pro-American.
He is anti-secret.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||06/23/2013|
[quote]Having lived in various countries in South America as a child, I can say that Ecuador is one of the least developed and least enjoyable countries on the continent.
I agree with your view of Ecuador. What would be your top three choices, R50?
My top three would be 3. Peru, 2. Uruguay, 1. Chile.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||06/23/2013|
Well, what do you think will happen, R58? Do you think all this outrage can be coalesced into something that will force the US government to dismantle this spying architecture? Call me a cynic but I don't.
Please note, by the way, that I didn't say I agreed with the surveillance, only that I think it is not going away.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||06/23/2013|
I can just see Snowden in Moscow now, bitching about all the smokers, no Wi-Fi access, and the impossibility of finding a soy latte or a Whole Foods.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||06/23/2013|
I'd say 1. Uruguay, 2. Chile, and 3. Argentina, R61.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||06/23/2013|
So why didn't they hunt down the Valerie Plame leaker like this?
|by Anonymous||reply 65||06/23/2013|
Why doesn't the NSA use its powers to protect us from illegal money-laundering by the Too-Big-To-Fail banks?
|by Anonymous||reply 66||06/23/2013|
Thanks R50 - R64. I worked in South America for awhile but didn't get to Argentina. Montevideo is one of my favorite cities. I spent a lot of time in Chile from Vina del Mar and all down the coast to Punta Arenas, so I got to see a lot of that country and interact with the people.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||06/23/2013|
Has no one else figured out that this is part of a larger ploy to get Assange out of the Ecuadorian embassy and out of the UK?
Snowden will be a piece of the puzzle.
It may be part of the plan.
Get Assange out of the UK.
Snowden comes back to the US and gets the bully pulpit and martyrdom.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||06/23/2013|
OP, where did Snowden go??
|by Anonymous||reply 69||06/23/2013|
This young man is a hero. Unfortunately, what he has done has destroyed his life and will have absolutely zero impact on the actions of the NSA or this or future administrations. Americans have become lazy and distracted and we've let the plutocrats spirit our democracy away in the night. And in broad daylight.
It's just going to get worse.
Have a nice day!
|by Anonymous||reply 70||06/23/2013|
I can understand that if he were truly concerned about transparency and spying on U.S. citizens, that he would have come forward with information limited to domestic espionage or spying on American citizens overseas. His actions suggest that his motives are far more complex and center around the glorification of Edward Snowden.
These disclosures about:
• Extensive hacking into private phone text messages in China.
• Attacks on the main servers at China's prestigious Tsinghua University.
• Hacking computers at the Hong Kong offices of Pacnet, a company which operates the region's biggest network of undersea fibre optic cables.
suggest otherwise. Of course, the U.S. spies on China and they on us. Seriously, duh!
The disclosures also suggest that he sold China information to keep his globe-hopping, self-aggrandizing tour running. I think he expects to be treated like a king by the Chinese, the Russians, the Cubans, the Venezuelans, and the Ecuadorans. Why? Because he has a vaunted view of himself that now includes "persecuted hero" on the run.
It's pretty fucking comical.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||06/23/2013|
His passport was revoked, so apparently he was able to go to Russia without a valid passport. That is unheard of.
America is being made to look helpless. Regardless of my opinion of Snowden, that makes me uncomfortable.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||06/23/2013|
He's checked into one of those "pod" hotel rooms at the airport and can't leave b/c he doesn't have a Russian visa.
HK is claiming they didn't get word from the U.S. in time to stop him from leaving, which I highly doubt. They probably wanted to get them out of their hair ASAP. I'm sure mainland China has been putting huge pressure on the HK authorities.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||06/23/2013|
The Russians will probably give him a Russian passport. His ultimate destination btw is Ecuador, I think, same place as Assange. At least I think it's Ecuador.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||06/23/2013|
And I think once in Quito he'll be fine, he'll work for some IT outfit there I'm sure. And his gf will probably come live with him since she has no job skills whatsoever.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||06/23/2013|
Hardly a business center or a tourist attraction, Quito is rather provincial and not very exciting. It is very poor and as a foreigner you need to take precautions. The girlfriend will not stay long once she checks Quito out.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||06/23/2013|
He could live in Guayaquil. Lower altitude, more cosmopolitan, and close to beaches.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||06/23/2013|
In Quito he will just have to wear a straw hat, fake moustache and a poncho and no one will recognize him
|by Anonymous||reply 78||06/23/2013|
R64 if someone is determined to get you the lack of an extradition treaty is no protection.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||06/23/2013|
Sucre is probably the best place in Ecuador for him. It has a large expat population and is relatively European in feel with a lower crime rate. The climate is also conducive for nurturing moles.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||06/23/2013|
[quote]And his gf will probably come live with him since she has no job skills whatsoever.
What makes you say this?
|by Anonymous||reply 81||06/23/2013|
He will get bored of being stuck in Ecuador quite fast. It is a small, unimportant, not very developed nation with not a lot going on. Some expats but not many and not very sophisticated ones at that -- aging backpacker types.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||06/23/2013|
Too bad Sucre is in Bolivia, Miss Utah at R80.
Please, Americans, stop posting. Your idiocy is tedious.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||06/23/2013|
Sorry, I meant Cuenca, R83. One too many this evening.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||06/23/2013|
R83 = Guardianista and well-known drag.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||06/23/2013|
[quote]And I think once in Quito he'll be fine, he'll work for some IT outfit there I'm sure. And his gf will probably come live with him since she has no job skills whatsoever.
I hadn't heard anything about his GF. She's an acrobat/performance artist/pole dancer, suggesting she has few job skill.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||06/23/2013|
First Snowden's neck mole, now his girlfriend's blowfish-lipped pole dancing. Why are straight people such freaks?
|by Anonymous||reply 87||06/23/2013|
He should have asylum in russia
|by Anonymous||reply 88||06/23/2013|
She moved to Hawaii to be with him and is said to be very upset about the entire situation. She went into hiding herself. I doubt she's going to globe hop to be by his side.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||06/23/2013|
Hey, idiot moron at r83, I think you're confusing Utah with South Carolina. you tedious idiot.
Another moron is r11 who doesn't realise that Snowden is a freeper Ron Paul fan and the only people who fall for his conspiracy shit are the morons who think government is the enemy because it wants to take their guns away.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||06/23/2013|
For you, R90.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||06/23/2013|
[quote]America is being made to look helpless.
Thank God! Americans are enamored with their own supposed goodness. It's not goodness: it's gross niavity!
Does the average American know how warmongering America really is? Nicaragua, Guatemala, the Dominican Republic, Grenada, the invasion of Panama: America is fucking scary! That's why it doesn't have many friends these days.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||06/23/2013|
R90 is headed for a Fema coffin
|by Anonymous||reply 93||06/23/2013|
He's not exactly a freeper. He said how much he liked Obama in the past.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||06/23/2013|
Is this like a hybrid of a skin cream and a creche?
|by Anonymous||reply 95||06/23/2013|
The business about Ron Paul always gets overlooked on these threads.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||06/23/2013|
[quote]Is this like a hybrid of a skin cream and a creche?
May we quotw you on that, R95?
|by Anonymous||reply 97||06/23/2013|
"The freedom trail is not exactly China-Russia-Cuba-Venezuela, so I hope we'll chase him to the ends of the earth, bring him to justice and let the Russians know there'll be consequences if they harbor this guy," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-Closet, said in his butchest voice.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||06/23/2013|
Reading something sinister into the routing being taken by Mr.Snowden is moronic. If he tried to connect through Europe (apparently excluding Russia)or the UK heading for Latin America, he would have been detained immediately.He's trying to avoid arrest, remember?
|by Anonymous||reply 99||06/23/2013|
God, his girlfriend looks like a total dumb whore.
|by Anonymous||reply 100||06/23/2013|
[quote]Reading something sinister into the routing being taken by Mr.Snowden is moronic.
It's moronic to think that his flight to China and Russia is a mere way of escape from prosecution in the United States. You can be certain that both nations copied every bit of information that Snowden has on his four laptops.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||06/24/2013|
Why would someone put himself through all of this for information we've been aware of since the early 2000s?
|by Anonymous||reply 102||06/24/2013|
Sorry, r91, like you I'm not American but you obviously follow US beauty contests a lot more than I do. All Russian and Chinese women and the women in whatever country you're from have a great knowledge of world geography.
Of course it's deliberately overlooked, r96, they like to forget that Snowden is not coming from the "freedom of expression" school of thought but from the "I don't like big government taking my guns away" school of "thought".
Many of the posters screaming on US news threads in favour of Snowden are all quite aware of what he's about - they are all right-wing freeper Obama-haters who have an ideological hatred of government.
And, let's not forget all these stories are hyped up just for the Guardian to make its big online "break" in the US. I'm still waiting for them to team up with a Chinese, Russian or Ecuadorian whistleblower, for some Guardian coverage on how the Chinese government uses the internet and mobile phone data to monitor the activities of its citizens, some story on Russian police abuse or an analysis of the latest Ecuadorian law to quash an independent media. Or maybe it's only the US and UK governments who indulge in espionage and suppression of freedom of expression. Russia, China, Ecuador are shining examples of transparency and freedom for all.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||06/24/2013|
For fame and glory, r102!
|by Anonymous||reply 104||06/24/2013|
So he wasn't on the plane bound for Havana. Could it have something to do with the fact that it was packed with journalists? Or is he being questioned somewhere. The Eduadoran foreign minister claims not to know his whereabouts.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||06/24/2013|
Well, in fairness, R103, Ecuador is hardly a player on the world stage. China and Russia, though, are fair game. Wikileaks is not really anti-authoritarian, it is anti-US.
|by Anonymous||reply 106||06/24/2013|
Wikileaks is nothing. All Assange ever gave up was gossip.
He threatened Fox News, claiming if they said bad things about him, he'd get them in trouble. Really? if someone loves truth and freedom, they would get Fox News in trouble for that reason alone. They would not hold onto information which could bring down Murdoch. They'd gladly give it up.
Assange is no hero. If he actually had decent information worth giving, he'd have given it. He's got nothing.
|by Anonymous||reply 107||06/24/2013|
To those who think he's some sort of genius with a master plan...
The guy is fucking idiot.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||06/24/2013|
He does seem like an ass.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||06/24/2013|
I called him an arrogant naif on this thread or a related one. He sure sounds like it per his lawyer. It throws doubt on his stories about past espionage work:
Mr. Snowden, who has just turned 30, comes across as intelligent, analytical and quick-witted, Mr. Ho said. But he also came to Hong Kong from Honolulu without a well thought-out plan, while overestimating how free he would be to move around Hong Kong after his disclosures and underestimating the public attention he would receive, Mr. Ho added.
“He’s a kid, I really think he’s a kid, I think he never anticipated this would be such a big matter in Hong Kong,” Mr. Ho said, adding that, “He enjoys Pepsi, he prefers Pepsi to wine, that’s why I say he’s a kid.”
Mr. Ho presented an image of Mr. Snowden that differed in some respects from the public image that he presented in a video released by the Guardian newspaper of Britain when Mr. Snowden first stepped forward to take responsibility for leaks of classified information about American surveillance programs.
In the video, assembled over a period of days from various remarks made by Mr. Snowden, he appeared to have devised a clear plan of action together with a willingness to defy the United States.
But Mr. Ho described his client as someone with a vague sense of his legal options and a limited understanding, at least until the dinner over pizza last Tuesday, of his legal rights in Hong Kong. During the dinner, Mr. Ho said, “he came to a full grasp of the situation and better understanding of the reality.”
Mr. Snowden strongly disliked the possibility that he might be held without bail in prison without access to a computer for long periods of time punctuated by numerous court appearances, Mr. Ho said, adding that, “he was a loner, he didn’t have much support until people like us” started giving legal advice.
|by Anonymous||reply 110||06/24/2013|
[quote]He does seem like an ass.
And, so darn hot!
|by Anonymous||reply 111||06/24/2013|
He exposed the way the U.S. government spies on its citizens. Then he takes all his information to two nations with a long history of government that has no regard for the rights of their citizens - China and Russia.
He may be a computer whiz kid but he's a moron in regard to world history and human rights. He'll have a very lonely life in Ecuador.
|by Anonymous||reply 112||06/24/2013|
I don't find dumb, rat-faced, famewhoring, Ron Paul freaks to be attractive.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||06/24/2013|
So Greenwald admits to working with Snowden since February and Snowden admits specifically taking the Booz job to gather evidence. Hmmm.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||06/24/2013|
Snowden sought Booz Allen job to gather evidence on NSA surveillance.
|by Anonymous||reply 115||06/24/2013|
Russia will extradite him to the US once they finish debriefing. There are more important things at stake and Putin doesn't want to have a problem over this.
|by Anonymous||reply 116||06/24/2013|
He's not in Russia anymore...is he?
|by Anonymous||reply 117||06/24/2013|
is he still missing?
|by Anonymous||reply 118||06/24/2013|
His seat on the plane to Cuba was empty. A lot of reporters on the plane are very unhappy. He hasn't been seen today.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||06/24/2013|
The Russians and the Chinese have all the data from his computers already so they know everything there is to get anyway. The Russians will turn him over the Americans.
|by Anonymous||reply 120||06/24/2013|
So this was his plan all along? He's somebody's puppet. On his own, he's a nobody.
|by Anonymous||reply 121||06/24/2013|
[quote]He's somebody's puppet. On his own, he's a nobody.
You could say the same about Barack Obama. Like W. Bush he is another puppet who was made President by the Wall Street War Party. On their own, both Obama and Bush would have been nobodies.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||06/24/2013|
Heavy in this thread the loons are.
|by Anonymous||reply 123||06/24/2013|
Thank you, Yoda at R123.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||06/24/2013|
Exactly R121. Yet all these fucking idiots couldn't wait to call him a hero. We still don't even know who this douche is working for. It's one thing to expose something to your own country,(that most of us already knew anyway), but when you go outside the country and start telling our secrets you're a traitor. If your goal is to help and better America then how come you're running from one enemy country to another, flapping your lips? Yeah, that will help America alright.
|by Anonymous||reply 125||06/24/2013|
R122, you're a fucking idiot.
Snowden, as I have maintained all along, is nobody's hero. Well, perhaps he's an extremely stupid person's hero but he's not a hero to anyone with a decent ethical standard.
The latest news on Mr. Snowden's International Circus of Self-absorption:
[quote] Edward Snowden secured a job with a US government contractor for one reason alone – to obtain evidence on Washington’s cyberspying networks, the South China Morning Post can reveal.
[quote]For the first time, Snowden has admitted he sought a position at Booz Allen Hamilton so he could collect proof about the US National Security Agency’s secret surveillance programmes ahead of planned leaks to the media.
[quote]“My position with Booz Allen Hamilton granted me access to lists of machines all over the world the NSA hacked,” he told the Post on June 12. “That is why I accepted that position about three months ago.”
He's a whore, darlin' (and a liar and a thief).
|by Anonymous||reply 126||06/24/2013|
Keep fuckin' that chicken, R126.
Seriously, it's amazing to see the US administration, both parties, and the media reduced to Armando Iannucci comedy. It's all so obvious and desperate.
|by Anonymous||reply 127||06/24/2013|
It's kind of funny that a bunch of reporters were on the plane to Havana hoping Snowden would be on board and he wasn't. Are they going to do this for every flight to Havana? The airline must be loving this.
|by Anonymous||reply 128||06/24/2013|
He has that nasty neck mole and looks rat faced. He's not adorable like my cutie James Holmes. Now he's worth betraying one's country for. Squee!
|by Anonymous||reply 129||06/24/2013|
I don't know what to think of him but if he exposes Bush, same as Obama, I'll be fine. I'd like to see our whole government exposed for what it really is...a government that is run by our military and their friends.
|by Anonymous||reply 130||06/24/2013|
[quote]a government that is run by our military and their friends.
Their friends at the Fed and on Wall Street.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||06/24/2013|
He is such a coward! He's all for American rights but flies to china, then anti gay russia? What a pompous S.O.B.
|by Anonymous||reply 132||06/24/2013|
[quote]...a bunch of reporters were on the plane to Havana hoping Snowden would be on board...
And Aeroflot bans alcohol on that flight (probably because Russians can't stay out of their duty-free on long-haul.). So you're fucked, flying to Havana, and can't even get drunk in either direction. Ha!
|by Anonymous||reply 133||06/24/2013|
If I have to hear one more stupid motherfucker compare Snowden to MLK or Rosa Parks, I'm gonna kick them in the nuts!
|by Anonymous||reply 134||06/24/2013|
R132. I'm sure, with him being straight, Russia's stance on the gay platform was a pivotal decision making point.
|by Anonymous||reply 135||06/24/2013|
[quote]He is such a coward! He's all for American rights but flies to china, then anti gay russia?
How dense are you? He fell on his own sword. He knew he was embarking on a suicide mission but he did it anyway.
He is not trying to find a better life for himself in another country. He sacrificed his personal security for the presumed long-term benefit of all other Americans.
He is trying to find a safe harbor for the short term but he knows he's toast. He is not endorsing any other nation's ways by going there. He is simply trying to extend what little period of freedom he has left.
|by Anonymous||reply 136||06/24/2013|
MLK and Rosa Parks didnt flee the country. They stood up for what they believed in even tho they went to jail. Snowden is a cowardly S.O.B.
|by Anonymous||reply 137||06/24/2013|
R136 you're a tool.
|by Anonymous||reply 138||06/24/2013|
R136 believe that if you will.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||06/24/2013|
The next flight he takes will be in a box.
|by Anonymous||reply 140||06/24/2013|
[quote] Edward Snowden’s whereabouts are currently unknown after he failed to get on an Aeroflot flight the Russian airline said he was booked on from Moscow to Havana. It has been assumed that he was heading via Cuba for Ecuador; Quito’s foreign minister Ricardo Patiño Aroca said yesterday the country had received an asylum application from him. But amid farcical scenes the plane full of journalists – and presumably representatives of various governments – took off for Cuba without him. One reporter tweeted a plaintive picture of Snowden’s empty chair.
[quote]Patino said Snowden – the former NSA contractor whose leaks to the Guardian about US intelligence programmes have caused controversy around the world – had arrived in Russia and said his government was currently considering his asylum request. But he said Quito did not know where Snowden was at this moment – or where he was going next. Patino hinted that if Ecuador accepted Snowden’s request it would be on the grounds of privacy, freedom of speech, and human rights. The country already shelters Wikileaks founder Julian Assange at its embassy in London. Wikileaks was today forced to defend Ecuador’s questionable record on press freedom.
|by Anonymous||reply 141||06/24/2013|
[quote]He fell on his own sword. He knew he was embarking on a suicide mission but he did it anyway
If you understand what his Hong Kong lawyer, Mr. Ho, said, it suggests that he was quite far out of his depth in understanding how restricted he would be (e.g. that he might be jailed and his laptops taken away), what his legal rights in HK were, and the type of public attention that would be receiving. All this and he tried to pass himself off as someone who was part of the U.S. espionage community before the Booz Allen job? Uh, huh. I hope other U.S. operatives aren't quite this dumb or over-estimate themselves.
|by Anonymous||reply 142||06/24/2013|
"Wikileaks was today forced to defend Ecuador’s questionable record on press freedom."
Actually, it should be the hypocritical Guardian itself that is forced to defend Ecuador’s questionable record on press freedom because it is what has spawned both Assange and Snowden and the circus around them. The Guardian only goes for stories on the US and UK. It wants to be seen as an investigative newspaper - well, let it investigate something hard and something that actually has a serious impact, such as the countries Assange and Snowden stupidly believe are "free".
|by Anonymous||reply 143||06/24/2013|
Sure, r142, because, for some reason, Snowden actually believed that bullshit that he was spouting, that HK is the land of the free and the US is the devil.
Hope he's enjoying his freedom in Russia.
|by Anonymous||reply 144||06/24/2013|
Copy his hard drives, kick him off to the next country.
But who's he really working for? Does he even know? Maybe he's unwittingly infecting the intelligence stream of every one of his hosts' networks with some plausible misinformation or a virus that will make their security systems transparent.
This is a story with potentially many layers.
|by Anonymous||reply 145||06/24/2013|
Apparently he's still in the airport in Moscow. Does anyone think our CIA has people there watching for him and ready to grab him and stuff him on a private plane headed for DC?
|by Anonymous||reply 146||06/27/2013|
Sounds like the movie "Terminal"
|by Anonymous||reply 147||06/27/2013|