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More credibility for Snowden

NSA now admits listening in on phone calls of US citizens anytime an agent wants to without further legal authorization. This goes for real time emails as well.

by Anonymousreply 3910/04/2013

I say get rid of the NSA and the CIA...the world would be a safer place.

by Anonymousreply 106/15/2013

Iran wouldn't be so fucked up if the CIA didn't exist, so you're right.

by Anonymousreply 206/15/2013

*yawn*

by Anonymousreply 306/15/2013

This is boring. Thank god we'll start a new news cycle on Monday. Hopefully Obama will have armed the Syrian opposition by then and we can have more war porn.

by Anonymousreply 406/15/2013

You're a mess, R4, with your warmongering.

by Anonymousreply 506/15/2013

They've been doing it for at least a decade.

by Anonymousreply 606/15/2013

A decade? Longer than that.

by Anonymousreply 706/15/2013

This is not news. This all started with president bush. Where has everyone been since 2002?

by Anonymousreply 806/15/2013

Yeah, what R8 says.

by Anonymousreply 906/15/2013

Doesn't using a Swiss VPN prevent snooping (for the most part)?

by Anonymousreply 1006/15/2013

The Swiss are tools of the US. They even allow the CIA to establish secret prisons there, R10!

by Anonymousreply 1106/15/2013

The VPN I use strenuously asserts they delete data. And the Ip address changes every time I reboot...

by Anonymousreply 1206/15/2013

[quote]strenuously asserts they delete data

Before or after it's intercepted by PRISM?

by Anonymousreply 1306/15/2013

Is it possible to do it at all? How does PRISM override a shell, which is what a VPN is? They should only see the Swiss vpn address, but none of the results of searches, link clicking, etc.

by Anonymousreply 1406/15/2013

"This is not news. This all started with president bush. Where has everyone been since 2002?"

Then why would they be trying to ship him off to the middle east?

by Anonymousreply 1506/15/2013

WOZ weighs in on the Patriot Act.

by Anonymousreply 1606/15/2013

Ok, well unfortunately the average person is less than bothered by the government spying on their email exchanges of well-wises to relatives and crab-cake recipes.

But when someone eventually displays this information to consumer's faces, then I believe the average American would start to shit their pants.

Why haven't we seen and of the info they can see? Like even a few examples of what employers, governments and people with digital savvy are seeing.

Why don't they just SHOW it. There is never a visual aid with these stories.

by Anonymousreply 1706/15/2013

Shortly after 9/11, President Bush secretly authorized the NSA to plug into the fiber optic cables that enter and leave the United States, knowing it would give the government unprecedented, warrantless access to Americans' private conversations.

Tapping into those cables allows the NSA access to monitor emails, telephone calls, video chats, websites, bank transactions and more.

The New York Times disclosed the existence of this effort in 2005. In 2006, former AT&T technician Mark Klein revealed that the company had allowed the NSA to install a computer at its San Francisco switching center, a spot where fiber optic cables enter the U.S.

Unlike the recent debate over Prism, however, there were no visual aids, no easy-to-follow charts explaining that the government was sweeping up millions of emails and listening to phone calls of people accused of no wrongdoing.

The Bush administration called it the "Terrorist Surveillance Program" and said it was keeping the United States safe.

The Bush administration shut down its warrantless wiretapping program in 2007 but endorsed a new law, the Protect America Act, which allowed the wiretapping to continue with changes: The NSA generally would have to explain its techniques and targets to a secret court in Washington, but individual warrants would not be required.

Congress approved it, with Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, in the midst of a campaign for president, voting against it.

When the Protect America Act made warrantless wiretapping legal, lawyers and executives at major technology companies knew what was about to happen.

For years, the companies had been handling requests from the FBI. Now Congress had given the NSA the authority to take information without warrants. Though the companies didn't know it, the passage of the Protect America Act gave birth to a top-secret NSA program, officially called US-98XN, or PRISM.

by Anonymousreply 1806/15/2013

Shh. Sleep tight, little ones, you have the comfy illusion of Congressional oversight and safeguards. Go back to sleep.

by Anonymousreply 1906/15/2013

What's more, Clinton appointed the head of Booz Allen and this top contractor hangs out with Diane Feinstein weekly. She's clearly bought off and both parties in in very deep on this.

by Anonymousreply 2006/16/2013

Even a former federal judge says we have reason to be concerned about that FISA court.

by Anonymousreply 2106/16/2013

He's still an ass.

And fug.

And deluded (got the nerve to think he could model).

by Anonymousreply 2206/16/2013

Let me know when any of this activity is illegal.

Snowden broke the law.

No indication whatsoever that the NSA did.

When you find unlawful activity, push and push and push until those behind it are tried and punished.

If you think a law is unconstitutional, fight it in the courts.

Snowden lost all credibility when he began talking about our foreign intelligence operations.

by Anonymousreply 2306/16/2013

[quote]Snowden lost all credibility when he began talking about our foreign intelligence operations.

And exactly why is that so horrible, R23? How can we (as the supposed "We the People" in charge) decide if what our government is doing in our name is ethical if we don't know about it?

by Anonymousreply 2406/16/2013

Now Michael Hayden is on Meet the Press talking about how we are all going to love this program and want even more with "accurate information" revealed.

by Anonymousreply 2506/16/2013

R23, James Risen, from the NY Times said on Meet the Press this morning, that there has been anecdotal evidence of misuse possibly rising to illegality, but no formal investigation of this has ever been done.

by Anonymousreply 2606/16/2013

I am sure this has never, ever been used to punish political enemies.

by Anonymousreply 2706/16/2013

[quote]And exactly why is that so horrible, [R23]? How can we (as the supposed "We the People" in charge) decide if what our government is doing in our name is ethical if we don't know about it?

Exactly.

Someone on Oppenheimer's team should have gone to the press to talk about the development of the atomic bomb so we could have debated whether its use at the time was appropriate or ethical.

by Anonymousreply 2806/16/2013

Cheney said he supported the NSA...so I guess I'll support Snowden.

by Anonymousreply 2906/16/2013

[quote]When you find unlawful activity

Is it lost you that this is impossible without leaks or whistleblowers?

by Anonymousreply 3006/16/2013

R23, perhaps you don't believe in freedom or liberty, but the founders of your country did and people around the world fight their Governments for it every day. Go sit in a corner.

by Anonymousreply 3106/17/2013

[quote] Someone on Oppenheimer's team should have gone to the press to talk about the development of the atomic bomb so we could have debated whether its use at the time was appropriate or ethical.

LOL! Good one.

by Anonymousreply 3206/17/2013

R32, it's not a joke. Truman should have revealed we had the bomb and we should have decided whether to use it. Instead, the US has the terrible distinction of being the only country to ever use a nuclear weapon.

by Anonymousreply 3306/17/2013

How can anyone support this shit?

The Nazi government had nothing on the LBJ-Reagan-Bush (1&2) Clinton or Obama regimes.

by Anonymousreply 3408/24/2013

Why isn't Snowden a hero here? He exposed evil in our government, spying that would make Hitler and Stalin cream their panties...but NOTHING here.

by Anonymousreply 3510/01/2013

NSA undoubtedly posts on datalounge too people.

by Anonymousreply 3610/01/2013

[quote]Let me know when any of this activity is illegal.

So exposing evil spying by our "free country" isn't legal?

[quote] Snowden broke the law.

Which law? The one about exposing illegal, felonious and treasonous actions by our government?

[quote]No indication whatsoever that the NSA did.

Besides the thousands pages that show illegal spying by the NSA?

[quote]When you find unlawful activity, push and push and push until those behind it are tried and punished.

Look at Chelsea Manning, trapped in a cage for exposing evil US Government crimes.

[quote]If you think a law is unconstitutional, fight it in the courts.

You fucking retarded moron. The courts always uphold the government. Look at the Obamacare Bulshit.

[quote]Snowden lost all credibility when he began talking about our foreign intelligence operations.

If he had to seek refuge in Russia, that just proves how evil the USSA is today.

by Anonymousreply 3710/01/2013

Kudos to the founder of LavaBit for choosing to fight the US Nazi/Stasi!

by Anonymousreply 3810/03/2013

Ahhhh, I love the fact that the government worshipping fascists are too cowardly to even attempt to refute these posts.

by Anonymousreply 3910/04/2013
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