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Another way to look at the Edward Snowden NSA fiasco...

Libertarians have been screeching for the last week about evil government overreach in the Edward Snowden story.

But Snowden didn't [bold]WORK[/bold] for the evil old US government. He worked for [bold]PRIVATE CONTRACTOR[/bold] Booz Allen Hamilton, who data mines for the US government.

Isn't the real takeaway here that private corporations are every bit as evil, if not [bold]MORE[/bold] evil, than the US government?

by Anonymousreply 10612/10/2014

Nice try, cupcake, but you're just not very smart, are you?

by Anonymousreply 106/13/2013

Op has a very good point, so I am guessing r1 is a libertarian.

by Anonymousreply 206/13/2013

People want to have their cake and eat it too--look at it that way.

by Anonymousreply 306/13/2013

That is true, r3.

by Anonymousreply 406/13/2013

The US government and corporations/big banks/defense contractors are pretty much one and the same these days. They are all in bed with one another. We've always been at war with Eastasia.

by Anonymousreply 506/13/2013

OP needs a litle nighty night.

by Anonymousreply 606/13/2013

hardly

by Anonymousreply 706/13/2013

Rank and file Democrats and Republicans and Independents are appalled by this scandal.

OP labels anyone who opposes Obama on this issue as a "Libertarian" so he can bash them all with one collective blow.

He will probably calm me a Freeper even though I am a left-wing Liberal who is sorely disappointed with the way Obama turned out to be one of the "Them" we thought we were voting out in '08 when we voted for Hope and Change.

by Anonymousreply 806/13/2013

They are completely evil. All the people in power, are evil.

by Anonymousreply 906/13/2013

I think OP makes a good point. Granted the fact that a private company was doing the work for the government hardly separates the two, but one cant help but notice how many private companies guided by the free market are mixed in this mess. If one wants to advocate corporations should be free to conduct their business anyway they wish with no regulation or interference, then its sort of hard to get angry at them when they decide to betray the public and side with Big Brother.

What I find disturbing is they have high school drop outs doing this work. We are lucky all he did was leak the information, he could have done something much worse, like major identity theft or fraud. How many other seemingly unqualified people were hired and have been given access to pretty much all of our private information?

by Anonymousreply 1006/13/2013

The industrial-security complex.

by Anonymousreply 1106/13/2013

[quote]What I find disturbing is they have high school drop outs doing this work. We are lucky all he did was leak the information, he could have done something much worse, like major identity theft or fraud

Yes, usually it takes a group of Ivy Leaguers to crash a nation's economy or to start a world war and do some real damage.

by Anonymousreply 1206/13/2013

some people say he is a spy for red china...what say you?

by Anonymousreply 1306/13/2013

OP's point is valid:

The REAL scandal here is how our national security is being out-sourced to for-profit corporations.

by Anonymousreply 1406/13/2013

I'll be glad when idiots like OP stop using stupid catch-terms likes "the takeaway."

by Anonymousreply 1506/13/2013

Why do people on here pretend to have serious conversations about issues? You have a certain political identity. Everything outside of that you have a problem with. If I told you about an issues, you'd wait to hear who had a D next to their name and who had an R before you would tell me how you feel about it. You have no personal principles, at all. Mental midgets who live in a vacuum and couldn't argue their way out of a paper bag. You're more akin to subjects than citizens, I'm not sure why your ancestors bothered making the trip over.

by Anonymousreply 1706/13/2013

[quote]you'd wait to hear who had a D next to their name and who had an R before you would tell me how you feel about it.

And yet, there is not one post here where what you described happened.

by Anonymousreply 1806/13/2013

R16 is happy now. His day is done.

by Anonymousreply 1906/14/2013

What bothers me is Snowden had no problem under Bush but under Obama, he's all upset and beside himself with moral conviction. He's a fucking raciest pig and nothing more.

by Anonymousreply 2006/14/2013

R20-

He specifically spells out that he waited over five years because he thought Obama would end the NSA spying and the wars in the middle east.

by Anonymousreply 2106/14/2013

[quote]Granted the fact that a private company was doing the work for the government hardly separates the two, but one cant help but notice how many private companies guided by the free market are mixed in this mess.

Booz Ham, Boeing, BAE, GE, Foxnews...

All of these companies suck at the government teat, and would not exist (or exist at smaller size) in a "free-market". The fact that our gov keeps killing innocent people gives these FASCIST companies bloody tax money to stay in business.

Booz-Ham is nothing but paid muscle for the US Gov, and I hope this causes them to go out of business. They are fascist mafia enforcers.

by Anonymousreply 2206/14/2013

Well r17 I'm Black.

My ancestors didn't have a choice.

by Anonymousreply 2306/14/2013

R8-

[quote]He will probably calm me a Freeper even though I am a left-wing Liberal who is sorely disappointed with the way Obama turned out to be one of the "Them" we thought we were voting out in '08 when we voted for Hope and Change.

That's why "voting" is a farce. You are allowed to choose between A or B, but if X comes along (s)he will be marginalized. TPTB cannot countenance a truly liberal president, since they and their peers make money from the lucrative contracts the banks, big corps and defense companies lobby to win day after day after day.

Did you see the interview with Kucinich where he talks about being Ron Paul's Veep if he was elected? When one of the most "liberal" members of congress agrees with the most "conservative" member about how dangerous our government has become over the last 20 years, you have to step back and try to see the bigger picture, and see why real (civil liberty) liberals and real (libertarian) conservatives need to find common ground.

by Anonymousreply 2406/14/2013

R23-

What does skin color have to do with anything?

by Anonymousreply 2506/14/2013

[quote]All of these companies suck at the government teat, and would not exist (or exist at smaller size) in a "free-market".

So evil government control makes companies evil, and when evil government goes away, companies magically become good. And government control is "fascism".

*ahem*

I'm just trying to figure out the rules in Libertarian Wonderland. When does the Mad Hatter usually serve tea? Is it the Red Queen or the White Queen who decides what the words "fascism" and "socialism" mean?

by Anonymousreply 2606/14/2013

R25 read the last sentence in R17s post. If you need more help, a book about American history prior to 1861 would be helpful.

by Anonymousreply 2706/14/2013

"voting is a farce"

Spoken like a true corporate Koch-sucking shill, trying to depress voter turnout, so they can continue to buy off the government and destroy regulations so as to maximize their profits.

You're a fucking idiot. Your really, really are.

by Anonymousreply 2806/14/2013

R26

[quote]So evil government control makes companies evil, and when evil government goes away, companies magically become good. And government control is "fascism".

I really didn't think this level of mental retardation existed outside group homes. How can someone be this stupid?

Do you think your local grocer is evil? Your mechanic? Your hairdresser? Your plumber? Your favorite local restaurant?

Because all of them are business people, and charge you for their services. They cannot (in most cases) convince the local government to give them "tax breaks" for their service.

Now, let's say one of them becomes a "chain" (Wal-mart, Fantastic Sams, Applebees, etc,) and then uses their money to "donate" money to one of their local congressmen who adds a "rider" to a large "Defense of the Homeland" bill that includes, on page 2835, giving "Sam's Body Shop" a 10 year tax exemption.

Can you not see that this is how Wal-Mart was able to become the behemoth it is? Or that these "riders" are a constant addition for Boeing, BoozHam, Haliburtion, CitiBank, etc.? Are you too dull to see that most of the "big banks" and 'big corps" are using their control of the government to increase their power?

by Anonymousreply 2906/17/2013

That's not an answer R29.

Under the libertarian best-case scenario, government is still there to enforce contract relations, and therefore to be influenced by big business.

If somehow a Constitution could be writte to prevent that, well, big business has always persecuted small business by controlling their supply chain.

by Anonymousreply 3006/17/2013

R10

"cant help but notice how many private companies guided by the free market are mixed in this mess"

Guided by the FREE market---hardly.

In a FREE market, bullshit companies like BoozHam or Haliburton or Blackwater wouldn't exist. These terrorist companies only exist due to the fascist nature of a government that can pay "private" mercenaries to do the dirty work.

by Anonymousreply 3106/22/2013

R30-

So, are you implicitly admitting that giving power to the government helps create these oligopolistic corporations? If so, doesn't it stand to reason that REDUCING the powers of the government would inhibit the growth and powers of these companies? If not, please explain.

Perhaps by devolving government powers (aka returning ALL powers to the local level, and returning DC to the swampland from which it sprang) then the powers of these MegaCorps would be diminished.

Your thoughts?

by Anonymousreply 3206/22/2013

Looking at Snowden, he should get the ugly black mole removed from his neck before appearing in court.

by Anonymousreply 3306/22/2013

[quote]Can you not see that this is how Wal-Mart was able to become the behemoth it is? Or that these "riders" are a constant addition for Boeing, BoozHam, Haliburtion, CitiBank, etc.? Are you too dull to see that most of the "big banks" and 'big corps" are using their control of the government to increase their power?

You are aware that you're making an argument for increasing government regulation? Well, on planet Earth you are; I have no idea what the rules are in the Libertarian wonderland you inhabit.

by Anonymousreply 3406/22/2013

[quote]So, are you implicitly admitting that giving power to the government helps create these oligopolistic corporations? If so, doesn't it stand to reason that REDUCING the powers of the government would inhibit the growth and powers of these companies?

Corporations become oligarchies because of a a [bold]LACK[/bold] of regulations, you pathetic idiot. Reducing governmental powers produce [bold]LESS[/bold] regulation, which gives corporations more freedom to screw people over.

It's a very odd form of brain damage you have.

by Anonymousreply 3506/22/2013

R34-35

The US regulatory system includes millions- yes, MILLIONS- of pages of regulations, and employs millions of low-level hack functionaries that gleefully fine companies because their shelving is 1/4 of an inch too close to the floor, or that the fire extinguisher is 22.5" away from the mandated proximity to an exit, or that the paperwork they filed had a simple clerical error that didn't impact anyone...and you think MORE regulation is the answer?

Public schools have worked- most graduates are now too stupid and brainwashed to understand the real world.

.

by Anonymousreply 3606/22/2013

[quote]returning ALL powers to the local level

That should make for a fine military.

by Anonymousreply 3706/22/2013

R37-

You mean the military that has bases in 97% of the countries in the world?

The one that kills innocent brown children day after day?

The one that can spy on us 24/7 with no oversight?

That military? Or the mythic "good guy" military you have in your fantasy world?

by Anonymousreply 3806/22/2013

A military capable of defending the US-Mexico border.

If military forces have to be local, how is Tucson going to stop Mexican drug gangs if they decide to invade? They have more money than any city government.

by Anonymousreply 3906/22/2013

[qouote]in your fantasy world

LOL.... Oh, the irony....

by Anonymousreply 4006/22/2013

[quote]If military forces have to be local, how is Tucson going to stop Mexican drug gangs if they decide to invade? They have more money than any city government.

Uhhh, if they have "more money than any city government" then an "invasion" should be a non-issue.

If anything you can grow- Marijuana, Poppies, Coca leaves, mushrooms, corn, etc.- wasn't controlled by Washington DC, and consensual sex between adults and playing games for money were legal...well, most "crimes" wouldn't exist.

Think about any crime, any crime, from the last 40 years, and see if it wasn't rooted in the fact that drugs, sex or gambling are illegal.

If you can show me a major crime (besides the ones that have occurred due to our invasions and wars in the MidEast) I will suck your dick.

by Anonymousreply 4106/24/2013

Hey, bozo, The government did not create Booz Allen. And even if they have been at the government teat since WWII, the government didn't create Choicepoint, which didn't need anyone in government telling them to start to invade privacy and fuck with people.

by Anonymousreply 4206/24/2013

[quote]If you can show me a major crime (besides the ones that have occurred due to our invasions and wars in the MidEast) I will suck your dick.

The Oklahoma City bombing

by Anonymousreply 4306/24/2013

Ha. Good one r43.

by Anonymousreply 4406/24/2013

Is he a red herring to keep journalists from digging at real leaks about current programs. Even his name is too good.

by Anonymousreply 4506/24/2013

R42-

[quote]Hey, bozo, The government did not create Booz Allen. And even if they have been at the government teat since WWII, the government didn't create Choicepoint, which didn't need anyone in government telling them to start to invade privacy and fuck with people

Morons like you are so easy-

NYTimes-

WASHINGTON — Edward J. Snowden’s employer, Booz Allen Hamilton, has become one of the largest and most profitable corporations in the United States almost exclusively by serving a single client: the government of the United States.

Over the last decade, much of the company’s growth has come from selling expertise, technology and manpower to the National Security Agency and other federal intelligence agencies. Booz Allen earned $1.3 billion, 23 percent of the company’s total revenue, from intelligence work during its most recent fiscal year.

The government has sharply increased spending on high-tech intelligence gathering since 2001, and both the Bush and Obama administrations have chosen to rely on private contractors like Booz Allen for much of the resulting work.

Thousands of people formerly employed by the government, and still approved to deal with classified information, now do essentially the same work for private companies. Mr. Snowden, who revealed on Sunday that he provided the recent leak of national security documents, is among them.

by Anonymousreply 4606/24/2013

The reason the company was so quick to distance itself from Snowden likely revolves around its close ties to the U.S. federal government. Roughly 99 percent of Booz Allen's revenue comes from the federal government, CNNMoney reports, and the company earned roughly $3.8 billion in government contracts as of 2012, according to Washington Technology, a trade publication for government contractors. Only seven companies garnered more money in government contracts that year.

Booz Allen declined to comment for this story.

Booz Allen's profitable relationship with the government is dependent on the company's ability to handle sensitive government information. A securities filing revealed that nearly half of the firm's 25,000 employees have access to information that would cause "exceptionally grave damage" to national security if leaked, according to the New York Times.

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This "public-private partnership" was dubbed "Fascism" by Mussolini during WW2.

I can't wait for Joan Crawford's retarded twin sister to chime in and squeal about how it isn't FASCISM as long as our perfect and glorious leader is the one doing it.

by Anonymousreply 4706/24/2013

I wonder what Joan Crawford's deformed and retarded sister will say when she reads this.

by Anonymousreply 4806/24/2013

I wonder when Joan Crawford's retarded sister became a Libertarian and started spam-posting to Datalounge.

by Anonymousreply 4906/24/2013

R49-

When did facts become spam?

by Anonymousreply 5006/25/2013

When did Libertarians decide that "fascism" means whatever they want it to mean?

by Anonymousreply 5106/25/2013

[quote]This "public-private partnership" was dubbed "Fascism" by Mussolini during WW2.

Six million Jews killed by real, honest-to-God fascists would disagree with your definition, methinks. And would be a little insulted by the insane hyperbole.

The word "fascist" doesn't get to mean whatever you don't like about government. Really. It doesn't. And it's brain-damaged redefinitions of the English language like this that keep me from ever taking anything a libertarian says seriously.

by Anonymousreply 5206/25/2013

R52-

Please, give your definition of fascism.

by Anonymousreply 5306/25/2013

Fascism---a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that

-exalts nation and often race above the individual (checck)

-and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, (check, again)

severe economic and social regimentation, (check)

and forcible suppression of opposition (check)

Sorry, but the US is now a fascist state.

by Anonymousreply 5406/25/2013

[quote]-exalts nation and often race above the individual (checck)

So when's the last time you were forced to attend an "Obama Nation" rally? How many times have you been required to sign a loyalty oath to Barack Obama?

[quote]-and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, (check, again)

I hate to keep harping about it, but here on planet Earth words actually do have concrete, generally accepted meanings. An "autocrat" exercises absolute authority over all branches of government, which of course makes Obama the worst autocrat in political history.

Mussolini, autocrat. Hitler, autocrat. Every single detail of life in fascist Italy and Germany was controlled by their leader.

Would an autocrat allow Congress to repeal his pet legislation 38 times? Allow Congress to block every piece of legislation he puts forward? How would an autocrat have responded to a congressman yelling "you lie!" during his address to Congress? How would an autocrat respond to countless demands from the public to show his real birth certificate? How would an autocrat handle ethics investigations?

An "autocrat" isn't just somebody who does things you don't like.

[quote]severe economic and social regimentation, (check)

Severe economic AND social regimentation. Oh my, that sounds serious. Nationalization of the gas industry? Farming collectives? National grocery stores? I don't remember any of that being implemented over the last five years.

[quote]and forcible suppression of opposition (check)

Of all opposition? Of whistle-blowers? Of glibertarians? By what means? Stalags? Death camps?

Again, your hysterical oversimplification of the NSA situation is a gross insult to the victims of real fascism.

In a real fascist state, you wouldn't be spam-posting libertarian gibberish all day on an internet forum. You'd be in a labor camp, you'd be dead, or you'd be a refugee.

[quote]Sorry, but the US is now a fascist state.

Sorry, but you're as full of shit as you've always been.

by Anonymousreply 5506/25/2013

[quote]-exalts nation and often race above the individual (checck)

False, of course.

[quote]-and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, (check, again)

False, of course.

[quote]severe economic and social regimentation, (check)

False, of course.

[quote]and forcible suppression of opposition (check)

Stupidly false, of course.

[quote]Sorry, but the US is now a fascist state.

Sorry, but you're still an ignorant, paranoid loon who wouldn't know a "fascist state" if it bit him in the ass. We can only hope that you actually live in a real "fascist state" someday to give you some perspective. Feel free to rejoin us here in the real world any time.

by Anonymousreply 5606/25/2013

I love you, R56

Someone that stupid is needed here.

You're like the court jester.

by Anonymousreply 5706/25/2013

Whatever you say, dear. Love you, too, snookums. I always look forward to your posts.

by Anonymousreply 5806/25/2013

My, such a scathing rebuttal of 6 points, R57. It's responses like "No, you're stupid!" that really sets Libertarians apart from us ordinary mortals.

by Anonymousreply 5906/25/2013

As Bradley Manning finds his escape routes from a life sentence for his whistle-blowing quickly shut down by judges who are closely tied to the prosecutors, and as whistle-blower Edward Snowden faces life on the run from the largest intelligence network in history along with its army of drones, US Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul found time to Tweet his extreme dissatisfaction with a criminal trial in Moscow. “We are deeply disappointed in the conviction of Navalny and the apparent political motivations in this trial,” he announced to his Twitter followers. The irony escaped him, to be sure.

Like the majority of Russians who have never heard of Alexei Navalny, most Americans are likely unfamiliar with the dissident so cherished by the neoconservative regime change crowd in the US. To Washington Post’s extreme Russophobic editorial page editor Fred Hiatt, Navalny is a “daring opposition blogger” who is to be held up as the model of a civil society that would emerge if only the tyrant Putin were overthrown.

What Fred Hiatt and his friends will not tell you about Navalny is that not only is he a non-entity in Russian politics, what little of him is known is particularly unsavory – of the category of unsavory from which he Washington Post usually recoils. You see, Navalny is a political extremist, who was kicked out of the liberal Yabloko Party for his participation in neo-Nazi rallies, who demands “Russia for the Russians,” and who endorses race riots – as recently as last week – against Russian citizens of Chechen origin.

by Anonymousreply 6007/19/2013

Snowdon is a red herring. People are stupid

by Anonymousreply 6107/20/2013

Maybe, R61

He might be "limited hangout" to see how much evil the Sheeple will tolerate.

Our government is evvvvillllllll. Comic book level evil.

Maybe one day the government worshiping thugs on this board will see how evil and depraved and useless our Federal Reserve and Federal Government really is.

Instead they will worship it like retarded fools.

by Anonymousreply 6207/20/2013

I really don't think it's EVIL. It's not that well run, despite your paranoia

There is a difference between evil and bad, most people are too stupid to see that difference.

by Anonymousreply 6307/20/2013

[quote]Our government is evvvvillllllll. Comic book level evil.

Well, sure, if you're a paranoid loon with only a tenuous grasp on reality.

[quote]Maybe one day the government worshiping thugs on this board will see how evil and depraved and useless our Federal Reserve and Federal Government really is. Instead they will worship it like retarded fools.

Still waiting for any actual quotes, posts, or evidence that anyone on this board "worships" the government. Definitely not holding my breath, though.

by Anonymousreply 6407/20/2013

good idea

by Anonymousreply 6507/20/2013

Let's face it, an unregulated private sector is more dangerous than too much government.

by Anonymousreply 6607/20/2013

R66-

Once you decide to read instead of just pulling shit from your ass and actually "THINK" you will see the evil.

The government can tell you how to build your house, what to eat, which country they can attack, or spy on you, or which countries they decide to overthrow ... And you don't get SHIT to say when the murder in the name of our evil government.

by Anonymousreply 6707/20/2013

R66-

I would reverse it- the "public socialist" can steal, kill and lie without worry about consequence.

If Zimmerman had a badge to go with his gun, 99.99% of people wouldn't know why Trayvon was killed.

Cops kill innocent people every day, but we rarely see them prosecuted.

I think every "murder/suicide by cop" should be front page news.

by Anonymousreply 6807/20/2013

[quote]a good restaurant would hire outside, effective audits to make sure the food was good

Uh-huh, right. Tell me, what color is the sky in your world? It's blue in ours. And out here, restaurants don't pay to "hire outside, effective audits." Why would they? There is no benefit to doing so.

[quote]The private sector can't murder you

Yes, actually, they can. And do. Or has it really escaped your notice just how many people have died over the years due to corporate malfeasance? What a moron.

by Anonymousreply 7007/20/2013

R70-

Please refute a specific point.

Your faith in the government borders on zealotry.

Please, offer one specific refutation. Just one.

by Anonymousreply 7107/21/2013

[quote]Please refute a specific point.

Please provide a specific point supported by actual data. Just one.

[quote]Your faith in the government borders on zealotry.

So you have claimed, repeatedly, and yet you have not been able to find a single post of mine that demonstrates any "faith in government." Why is that?

[quote]Please, offer one specific refutation. Just one.

Please provide a specific point supported by actual data. Just one.

Oh, and I already did, of course, in R70; a refutation that you clearly cannot deal with.

by Anonymousreply 7207/21/2013

R72-

Do you think that a person who reveals criminal behavior by the government should be protected?

Simple question.

by Anonymousreply 7307/22/2013

R72-

Please post a question, not "I believe in the government and prove me wrong" bullshit.

Please. Government cocksuckers like you are too stupid to debate, you just pretend.

by Anonymousreply 7407/22/2013

"America does not have a functioning democracy at this point in time," former President Jimmy Carter (shown) said this week, according to a report in the German newspaper Der Spiegel. Carter was quoted as having made that remark at a closed-door meeting of Atlantic Bridge, a research and education organization supporting cooperation between the United States and Great Britain on political, economic, and defense issues. The former president reportedly said the National Security Agency's invasion of privacy has gone too far, as he defended that actions of Edward Snowden, the American now seeking asylum in Russia after leaking classified documents revealing the massive NSA interception of communications between citizens and among government officials worldwide.

When a former prez says your government is evil and corrupt...you should listen.

by Anonymousreply 7507/22/2013

His driver got lost on the way to an event. Either GPS doesn't work in Rio or the Pope thinks its an extravagant expense.

by Anonymousreply 7707/23/2013

When r70 can't defend a position, "Freeper" is often throw into a response to make himself feel superior.

by Anonymousreply 7807/23/2013

r77 here. Sorry, the response was for a different thread.

by Anonymousreply 7907/23/2013

R78-

Trolldar R70, and R76, note the similarities.

He uses "Freeper" because he can't defend his position.

by Anonymousreply 8007/23/2013

[quote]Trolldar [R70], and [R76], note the similarities.

Yup, like the fact that there are none. I'm not the only person here who has recognized that you're a moron, R80. Not that you keep that fact a secret...

[quote]He uses "Freeper" because he can't defend his position.

Nope, I never use the term. Thanks for playing, though. We have some lovely consolation prizes for you.

And I will simply note that you *still* have no answer for my posts at R70 and R72, just more evasion and childish insults. You really are quite transparent.

by Anonymousreply 8107/23/2013

R81

Ask a question. A real question, not "you're a stupid dumb head nyahnyahnyah" with a concise point.

You really are that limited, aren't you? You ask a simple, direct question and I will answer it.

Like this one, although more focused and less stupid-

[quote]Yes, actually, they can. And do. Or has it really escaped your notice just how many people have died over the years due to corporate malfeasance? What a moron.

Well, comparing the number of people killed by malicious corporate malfeasnce to the number killed by government makes you the moron. Our own government has killed, directly and indirectly (via depleted uranium induced cancers, medical embargoes and outright murder) millions of people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Iran...

Anyone who can defend our government the way you do has to be mentally ill. Or a Republcian.

by Anonymousreply 8207/23/2013

[quote]Ask a question. A real question, not "you're a stupid dumb head nyahnyahnyah" with a concise point.

You never learn, do you? Sorry, moron, but I don't play your silly games.

[quote]Well, comparing the number of people killed by malicious corporate malfeasnce [sic] to the number killed by government...

You said, and I quote, "The private sector can't murder you." You were wrong. Deal with it.

[quote]Anyone who can defend our government the way you do has to be mentally ill. Or a Republcian. [sic]

And yet you cannot find a single post of mine "defend[ing] our government" and cannot poke holes in anything I write. Why is that?

by Anonymousreply 8307/24/2013

R83

Once again- a question, about a single topic, since it is obvious that the bigger picture eludes you.

Re-reading your post at R83 just makes me laugh. You really do suck government dick full time, don't you?

by Anonymousreply 8407/24/2013

LOL.... Thanks for proving my point, R84. I do so love handing your ass to you, over and over and over again. Maybe one day you'll learn, but I doubt it.

by Anonymousreply 8507/24/2013

R85-

What point did you make? That you're too stupid to make a coherent argument?

Please respond to this simple, focused question- did the US Government murder over 1 million Iraqi citizens, starting in 1991 under Bush1 and continued under Clinton by using-

A) military strikes and subsequent radiation poisoning due to depleted uranium weapons,

B) an embargo that prevented them from getting medical supplies,

C) a 20 year "no fly zone" that bombed them repeatedly,

D) destruction of (and subsequent prevention of rebuilding of) water and sewer systems in and around Baghdad.

and

E) a subsequent invasion in 2003, based on fabricated "intelligence" that was used to justify a second invasion.

These aren't hard questions. The facts are easily available.

Please justify them.

by Anonymousreply 8607/24/2013

Since I know R85 is too much of a spineless pussy to reply, I will continue.

How did Snowden harm the people if the US? By letting them know that every phone call, every email, every website they visit is being recorded by the NSA/USGOV to use against them if they ever run afoul of any of the millions of laws they have passed?

He is a patriot, comparable to Nathan Hale, Paul Revere or Thomas Jefferson- someone who decided that "enough was enough" and that the government needed to be stopped.

It makes me sick that gay people are too pussy-fied to defend Bradley Manning and demand he be treated like a hero. You weak cunts make me sick.

by Anonymousreply 8707/24/2013

@ R83-

If the private sector kills you, be it intentional or accidental, they get called before a judge and are either jailed or forced to pay damages. Well, unless they are a big mega corporation that can pay off the judges.

When the public sector (aka cops) kill you, then you are shit outta luck.

by Anonymousreply 8807/24/2013

[quote]What point did you make? That you're too stupid to make a coherent argument?

LOL... Whatever you say.

[quote]Please respond to this simple, focused question- did the US Government murder over 1 million Iraqi citizens, starting in 1991 under Bush1 and continued under Clinton by using-

Moron, has it still not sunk in yet that I don't play your silly games? You are nothing if not predictable. You were wrong; deal with it.

by Anonymousreply 8907/24/2013

[quote]If the private sector kills you, be it intentional or accidental, they get called before a judge and are either jailed or forced to pay damages.

Nope, not even close, but thank you for playing; we have some lovely consolation prizes for you. And it has not a damn thing to do with "pay[ing] off the judges," although it's revealing that that is the way your mind works.

And, of course, things would be even worse in that libertarian "paradise" of yours.

by Anonymousreply 9007/24/2013

I love trolldar.

I can look at how R40, 56, 58, 70, 80, 83 posts bullshit but refuses to answer any specific questions.

Please look at these posts, and see if she posted anything except "you're wrong and I'm right nyahnyahnyah." and ask yourself why someone would do this.

Is the truth too scary?

by Anonymousreply 9107/24/2013

Once again, R89/90-

You just say "nyahnyahnyah I'm right you're wrong" without any support.

Please give us any reason, facts, actual thoughts. You're embarrassing yourself.

by Anonymousreply 9207/24/2013

[quote]I love trolldar.

So do I, although your posts are instantly recognizable and I don't need it.

[quote]I can look at how [R40], 56, 58, 70, 80, 83 posts bullshit but refuses to answer any specific questions.

Uh-huh. Now look at the posts I was replying to. 'Nuff said.

[quote]Please look at these posts, and see if she posted anything except "you're wrong and I'm right nyahnyahnyah." and ask yourself why someone would do this.

I dunno. Why don't you tell us? That is, after all, a perfect description of your posts on this thread (and on all of your other threads, as well).

[quote]Is the truth too scary?

ROFL.... You wouldn't know "the truth" if it walked up and bit you in the ass. I repeat:

Please post a supported assertion, not "I hate the government and prove me wrong" bullshit. Sorry, but I'm not going to play your games and I'm not going to be held to a standard that you yourself don't support.

by Anonymousreply 9307/24/2013

[quote]You just say "nyahnyahnyah I'm right you're wrong" without any support.

*Shrug* So? You're just unhappy that I'm using your own tactics against you. Look at the post I was replying to, in R88. You just say "nyahnyahnyah I'm right you're wrong" without any support. Q.E.D.

[quote]Please give us any reason, facts, actual thoughts. You're embarrassing yourself.

LOL.... I couldn't have put it better, myself.

by Anonymousreply 9407/24/2013

God, R94-

Could you be any more of a Nazi?

by Anonymousreply 9507/28/2013

R94-

So you support the murder of innocent people via drone, the wholesale spying on US citizens, and the unlimited power of the government?

Troll dar seems to show you have justified those things.

Do you work for the government?

by Anonymousreply 9607/28/2013

I'm just about to piss myself!

I "lost" many of the starred threads on my Thread Watcher. This has happened a few times, usually when I post something that makes the webcuntress bleed extra runny.

This time I decided that every week I would take a screen shot and then google them.

Well, during my google I discovered that our

[quote]Oh, dear

And

[quote]Dear Heart

Troll was the same stupid bitch that was defending the invasion of Iraq and Iran, supporting the subsidies to Wal Mart and ADM and Intel, defending the NSA spying, defending the Federal Reserve bailouts of the banks, defending the loss of civil liberties due to the PATRIOT ACT and encouraging the invasion of Egypt, Syria, Libya and defending Israel at every turn.

She must work for the government.

If this thread disappears...think nothing of it.

by Anonymousreply 9707/28/2013

R97, you're doing it again: spamming your threads with the same post over and over again. That is what gets your threads deleted, not their content.

Oh, and you're lying, of course, both clumsily and stupidly, because you're getting your ass handed to you over and over again and you *really* don't like it.

[quote]Could you be any more of a Nazi?

Since nothing I wrote is even remotely "Nazi-like," then yes, certainly I could. I'm just calling you on your bullshit and you *really* don't like it, which is why you're resorting to such childish tactics.

[quote]Troll dar seems to show you have justified those things.

Nope, which is why you can't provide a single quote. You're lying.

by Anonymousreply 9807/28/2013

Georgia Democratic Rep. John Lewis, a prominent civil rights leader, compared National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden to Gandhi and said that Snowden was appealing to a “higher law.”

In an interview with The Guardian published Wednesday, Lewis was asked if Snowden’s leak was civil disobedience. Continue Reading

“In keeping with the philosophy and the discipline of nonviolence, in keeping with the teaching of Henry David Thoreau and people like Gandhi and others, if you believe something that is not right, something is unjust, and you are willing to defy customs, traditions, bad laws, then you have a conscience,” he responded. “You have a right to defy those laws and be willing to pay the price.”

by Anonymousreply 9908/09/2013

This is what OBAMA did to Greenwald's husband in the UK---

The Obama administration has acknowledged it had advance notice British officials were going to detain David Miranda, the partner of Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald, who has revealed the National Security Agency’s massive spy practices. Miranda was held Sunday at London’s Heathrow Airport under Section 7 of the British Terrorism Act for nine hours — the maximum time he could be detained without charge. Miranda has just announced legal action against the British Home Office for his detention. Meanwhile, The Guardian has revealed the British government threatened legal action against the newspaper unless it either destroyed Snowden’s classified documents or handed them to British authorities. "At its core, what is at stake is the ability for a human being to have dignity and for journalists to have integrity with their sources, [threatening] the whole concept of a free democracy," says computer security researcher Jacob Appelbaum, who has been detained and questioned numerous times at airports. "And I don’t mean that as hyperbole, but if everything is under surveillance, how is it that you can have a democracy? How is it that you can organize a political function, or have confidentiality with a constituent, or a source, or with a friend or a lover? That’s an erasure of fundamental things that we have had for quite some time." We’re also joined by longtime British attorney Gareth Peirce.

by Anonymousreply 10008/25/2013

The fact that Obama pressured the UK to terrorize a gay man who exposed government wrongdoing shows what a fucktard he is.

He is no better than Bush. Fuck Obama.

by Anonymousreply 10110/01/2013

Hon, Snowden was three months ago. Do try to keep up.

by Anonymousreply 10210/01/2013

R102-

What a good little agent for the Stasi!

by Anonymousreply 10310/03/2013

[quote]What a good little agent for the Stasi!

Whatever, Libertarian dipshit.

by Anonymousreply 10410/03/2013

cc

by Anonymousreply 10512/10/2014

Snowden is a hero.

by Anonymousreply 10612/10/2014
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