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NSA Whistle-blower Edward Snowden is a Libertarian.

He is a big Ron Paul supporter

by Anonymousreply 6105/30/2014

Now go make an interesting thread about the police brutality against gays in New York.

by Anonymousreply 206/11/2013

So, he did the right thing.

by Anonymousreply 306/11/2013

That's why I don't trust him OP.

by Anonymousreply 406/11/2013

If Bush were in office, you guys would be calling him a hero and you know it.

by Anonymousreply 506/11/2013

He just strikes me as Captain Obvious.

We've known for over a decade that the government was using telecommunications networks to spy on American citizens. We just all assumed that it didn't apply to us. We thought they'd just be spying on the Muslims. Fuck us. We deserve this.

by Anonymousreply 606/11/2013

Asshole.

by Anonymousreply 706/11/2013

On the contrary R6. He revealed there was not even a minimal formality of appeal to a Star Chamber, that some 20 something desk jockey at NSA in any little office can decide any day to fuck with any American that he or she wants.

by Anonymousreply 806/11/2013

I knew there was something about him I didn't like.......

Maybe it's just the IT guy arrogant smirk I can't stand.

by Anonymousreply 906/11/2013

R8-

Look at what happened to Mike Hastings. If he had stayed in the US he would have accidentally shot himself 3 times in the head.

by Anonymousreply 1206/22/2013

R10-

I want to see your treasonous neck in a noose.

by Anonymousreply 1306/22/2013

Not sure what all the fuss is about. Ron Paul says there is no constitutional right to privacy.

Without that, this case just boils down to Snowden violating the property rights of Booz Allen Hamilton by acting in bad faith. Well, that and stealing US property and sharing it with China.

by Anonymousreply 1506/24/2013

R15-

When did Paul say that?

Quit posting bullshit unless you have proof.

by Anonymousreply 1606/24/2013

Poor Lew Rockwell nut, doesn't know his own hero's positions.

"Ridiculous as sodomy laws may be, [bold]there clearly is no right to privacy[/bold] nor sodomy found anywhere in the Constitution." - Ron Paul

by Anonymousreply 1706/24/2013

Well R14, if that happens, California will be the new super power. We have everything we need. Abundant natural resources, major ports to the US, Produce, Cattle, Chicken, Wine, Technology, and some of the best Colleges in the country. Debt is irreverent since that will wipe clean you your collapse scenario.

Not sure you you flyover states are going to survive though. You cant eat a gun collection.

by Anonymousreply 1806/24/2013

Didn't show up for his flight to Cuba this morning. He's dead.

by Anonymousreply 1906/24/2013

"USA Zimbabwe-izes itself" - what does that mean?

by Anonymousreply 2006/24/2013

R17

That's a nice bit of editing.

"The Court determined that Texas had no right to establish its own standards for private sexual conduct, because gay sodomy is somehow protected under the 14th amendment “right to privacy.” Ridiculous as sodomy laws may be, there clearly is no right to privacy nor sodomy found anywhere in the Constitution. There are, however, states’ rights — rights plainly affirmed in the Ninth and Tenth amendments. Under those amendments, the State of Texas has the right to decide for itself how to regulate social matters like sex, using its own local standards. But rather than applying the real Constitution and declining jurisdiction over a properly state matter, the Court decided to apply the imaginary Constitution and impose its vision on the people of Texas."

Since you're too dense to parse the language he is stating, clearly, and has stated many times before and since-

It's not the SODOMY, it's the STATES RIGHTS.

Ron Paul has talked repeatedly about his vote of DOMA, and how he thinks it is one of the few votes he made while in congress that he regrets.

Ron Paul has repeatedly argued that he is AGAINST STRAIGHT MARRIAGE when it comes to the federal government, because it is outside the purview of the 545 morns that control DC. (435 House, 100 Senate, 9 Supremes, and a Prez)

Good fucking God! Are you too stupid to see what's in front of you, too facile to admit that you're wrong, or too evil to admit that libertarians are the only real champions of gay rights in the US?

by Anonymousreply 2106/24/2013

Libertarian nutjob, what part of

"[bold]there clearly is no right to privacy nor sodomy found anywhere in the Constitution[/bold]"

don't you understand?

Ron Paul believes there is no right to privacy in the constitution - for sodomites or anyone else.

Your stupidity is blinding.

by Anonymousreply 2206/24/2013

He is creepy. What is his motivation? He could have written a book, given an interview and toured...but he chooses China, Russia and perhaps Cuba?

by Anonymousreply 2306/24/2013

R18-

When DC collapses then Cali will be in a pinch. Many of the corporations are dependent on the USGov, and the loss of Federal Reserve Notes (aka dollar$) to fund these parasitic corporations will hurt Cali far more than ND, or OK, or even AZ.

Add the fact that Cali is hemorrhaging businesses and high net worth individuals tired of the myriad regulations and taxes, and the incompetent socialists that run the state...well, Cali might become the US version of Greece.

But, I'm glad you can see the benefits of allowing states to decide their own laws and the inherent evil of Washington DC. That's progress!

by Anonymousreply 2406/24/2013

This is where he lost me:

[quote]...the South China Morning Post reported that the whistleblower had handed over a series of documents to the paper detailing how the US had targeted Chinese phone companies as part of a widespread attempt to get its hands on a mass of data.

and

[quote]The paper said Snowden had also passed on information detailing NSA attacks on China's prestigious Tsinghua University, the hub of a major digital network from which data on millions of Chinese citizens could be harvested.

When he started handing information over to the Chinese he just became a run of the mill traitor. He should have stuck with talking about how the US gov't eavesdrops on its own citizens and not betrayed us to China.

by Anonymousreply 2506/24/2013

R20-

Zimbabwe promised a "cock in every pot" (and not in the good way) and printed so much money that it lost all value. When I was in Zambia a few years ago my guide (who was from Zimbabwe) gave me a few "$100,000,000,000,000" (yes, one hundred TRILLION dollar) notes as souvenirs.

The USGOV is printing so much money today, in an attempt to bail out the big banks and MegaCorps, that it won't be long until we see our version of that $100T note.

The recent spike in interest rates, coupled with a decline stock market, do not bode well for the future.

At the beginning of May you could get a $450K home for $2k/mo at 3.40% interest over 30 years. Today, just 7 weeks later, that 30 yr mortgage is at 4.875% and rising fast. At that rate, $2k/mo buys a $378k house...a drop of 16% in 7 weeks.

And interest rates are spiking, hard and fast---and are just getting started. Damn, all this talk about getting spiked hard and fast is making me horny!

Good luck, R20- maybe, if you beg me and ask nice, I will spike you. Hard and fast.

by Anonymousreply 2606/24/2013

R22-

Do the words "right to privacy" appear in the US Constitution?

No, they don't.

Do the words "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." appear?

Does the US Constitution mention drugs? Or Alcohol? Or Cars? Or Radio? Or the Internet?

Ron Paul on marriage-

Paul had said that he supports the right of gay couples to marry, so long as they didn't "impose" their relationship on anyone else, on the grounds of supporting voluntary associations.[141] He also said, "Matter of fact, I'd like to see all governments out of the marriage question. I don't think it's a state function, I think it's a religious function." Paul has stated that in a best case scenario, governments would enforce contracts and grant divorces but otherwise have no say in marriage.[142] He has also said he doesn't want to interfere in the free association of two individuals in a social, sexual, and religious sense.[143][144] When asked if he was supportive of gay marriage, Paul responded, "I am supportive of all voluntary associations and people can call it whatever they want."[143]

by Anonymousreply 2706/24/2013

Ron Paul has opposed the Federal Marriage Amendment, which would amend the US Constitution to define marriage as the union of one man and one woman, because he worries that with its passage “liberal social engineers who wish to use federal government power to redefine marriage will be able to point to the constitutional marriage amendment as proof that the definition of marriage is indeed a federal matter! I am unwilling either to cede to federal courts the authority to redefine marriage, or to deny a state’s ability to preserve the traditional definition of marriage.”[145]

by Anonymousreply 2806/24/2013

Paul had said that he supports the right of gay couples to marry, so long as they didn't "impose" their relationship on anyone else, on the grounds of supporting voluntary associations.[141] He also said, "Matter of fact, I'd like to see all governments out of the marriage question. I don't think it's a state function, I think it's a religious function." Paul has stated that in a best case scenario, governments would enforce contracts and grant divorces but otherwise have no say in marriage.[142] He has also said he doesn't want to interfere in the free association of two individuals in a social, sexual, and religious sense.[143][144] When asked if he was supportive of gay marriage, Paul responded, "I am supportive of all voluntary associations and people can call it whatever they want."[143]

by Anonymousreply 2906/24/2013

In 2009 Ron Paul sponsored H.R.539 - "We the People Act," which contained this text:

The Supreme Court of the United States and each Federal court-

(1) shall not adjudicate-

(A) any claim involving the laws, regulations, or policies of any State or unit of local government relating to the free exercise or establishment of religion;

(B) any claim based upon the right of privacy, including any such claim related to any issue of sexual practices, orientation, or reproduction; or

(C) any claim based upon equal protection of the laws to the extent such claim is based upon the right to marry without regard to sex or sexual orientation; and

(2) shall not rely on any judicial decision involving any issue referred to in paragraph (1)."

Read closely (B) and (C), Libertarian fool.

by Anonymousreply 3006/24/2013

If Bush was still president, we would fucking love this guy!

by Anonymousreply 3106/24/2013

R22-

Please read the last few posts, admit that Ron Paul is MORE progressive on gay marriage than Obama and FOCUS on the issue- is Ed Snowden a patriot or criminal?

The fact that Russia and China have afforded him more liberty than the USA should make anyone pause and wonder how "the land of the free" became the most totalitarian country on the planet.

by Anonymousreply 3206/24/2013

[quote]I hate the fact that so many good people are going to suffer when the dollar collapses and the USA Zimbabwe-izes itself.

This is a real clue that the speaker has no idea what he's talking about. How many years have we been hearing that the dollar is about to collapse and Zimbabwe-level inflation is just around the corner? But after all the money printing, the dollar is as strong as ever, inflation is negligible, and interest rates are at historically low levels.

(In fact interest rates have slightly risen recently, and the stock market has fallen, precisely because the Fed says it's going to taper off the stimulus and the markets aren't happy about it.)

by Anonymousreply 3306/24/2013

Very funny. Our resident Paul supporter gets all pissy and calls bullshit on the claim that Paul does not believe we have a right to privacy. But once he sees the proof that this is true, suddenly its a good thing.

Flip flop, flip flop. And you wonder why most people think Libertarians are assholes?

by Anonymousreply 3406/24/2013

A anti-gay marriage flyer the Ron Paul campaign distributed in New Hampshire in 2012.

by Anonymousreply 3506/24/2013

[quote]Please read the last few posts, admit that Ron Paul is MORE progressive on gay marriage than Obama

Why would we "admit" to something that is a deliberate lie?

[quote]"Matter of fact, I'd like to see all governments out of the marriage question. I don't think it's a state function, I think it's a religious function."

That just demonstrates what a moron Ron Paul is. It's hilarious you actually quoted that approvingly!

[quote]should make anyone pause and wonder how "the land of the free" became the most totalitarian country on the planet.

Why would we "wonder" about something that is so obviously and stupidly false? Out of curiosity, do you really not realize just how foolish you sound with idiotic drivel like that?

[quote]This is a real clue that the speaker has no idea what he's talking about.

Yup, R33. And this particular individual has been making these predictions for years. The fact that his predictions (and Ron Paul's) have never come true doesn't bother him in the least. He's convinced that someday, any day now, really, this time he means it, it will all come true just as he predicted.

Tell us again, libertarian nutcase, how hyperinflation and total economic collapse are just around the corner and gold is just the best investment ever and is going to climb to ten times its peak value!

by Anonymousreply 3606/24/2013

Oh, great! Now libertarians get all the credit.

by Anonymousreply 3706/24/2013

Snowden knew he'd be in hot water (if not permsnetly silenced by the US) for revealing the scope of "our" government's spying on Its citizens. His only hope of remaining free was to flee.

He also knew that our government would use every trick in the book to get other governments to help drag him back, lock him up and throw away the key, or worse. He used what he had, proof that the US was being hypocritical about Chinese hacking, to tip the scales.

[R25] appareny thinks defending yourself against monarch angry that you've alerted the public to an unknown danger is cause for treason/death.

OK.

by Anonymousreply 3806/24/2013

[quote]should make anyone pause and wonder how "the land of the free" became the most totalitarian country on the planet.

And who are we? Chopped liver?

by Anonymousreply 3906/24/2013

[quote]Do the words "right to privacy" appear in the US Constitution? No, they don't.

Then why'd you get all pissy @ R16 when R15 pointed out that RP believes that? Do you even know what you're trying to say anymore? You're incoherent and all over the place.

by Anonymousreply 4006/24/2013

Because someone insulted his beloved idol, Ron Paul, R40. Even though Ron has been consistently and stupidly wrong for several decades, this particular moron worships him. And I do use the term "worship" advisedly, since this idiot's economic and political philosophy are a religion to him, taken solely on faith and immune to logic, reason, and data.

by Anonymousreply 4106/24/2013

[quote]You're incoherent and all over the place.

And a drama queen, dont forget that.

by Anonymousreply 4206/24/2013

[quote]Because someone insulted his beloved idol, Ron Paul

And yet, despite this man being his idol, he is totally clueless as to where they guy stands. All he can do is cut and paste bullshit from other places. He cant even think for himself.

by Anonymousreply 4306/24/2013

[quote] All he can do is cut and paste bullshit from other places. He cant even think for himself.

Yup. And what's hilarious is that he's totally unaware of his own behavior in this regard, regularly accusing us of unquestioningly accepting one story or another while blissfully unaware that he does precisely the same thing. If it's from zerohedge.com or lewrockwell.com or mises.org, well, that must mean it's true, even if it's obvious nonsense.

by Anonymousreply 4406/24/2013

Mick Jagger zings Obama at DC concert

by Anonymousreply 4506/24/2013

And so, OP?

by Anonymousreply 4606/25/2013

And so, R46? Libertarian = emotionally stunted idiot.

by Anonymousreply 4706/25/2013

I don't understand and all the hysteria. This was reported in 2006 and the media chose not to give a shit.

by Anonymousreply 4806/25/2013

[quote] it won't be long until we see our version of that $100T note.

Soon?

Give us a timeline, oh expert one.

by Anonymousreply 4906/25/2013

Ron Paul couldn't even run a newsletter.

Now his acolyte is going to advise us on economics?

Ha ha, the laughs never end!

by Anonymousreply 5206/27/2013

[quote]Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government’s hostility to religion. - Ron Paul

There is no reference to God in the Constitution.

by Anonymousreply 5306/27/2013

He's an ass.

by Anonymousreply 5407/05/2013

R53-

No, but reference to a Creator abound.

by Anonymousreply 5607/29/2013

Guardian newspaper journalist Glenn Greenwald appeared on ABC News "This Week" program yesterday to preview a story he will be publishing this week on just how widespread is the NSA spying on Americans. His revelations may shock you.

by Anonymousreply 5707/30/2013

What a heroic man. If the Nobel committee had any balls they would rescind Obama's award and give it to Snowden.

by Anonymousreply 5801/11/2014

OP-

He's a hero. You're a putz.

by Anonymousreply 5905/29/2014

Russia is a good place for him. They can keep him.

by Anonymousreply 6005/29/2014

AMEN

by Anonymousreply 6105/30/2014
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