I've never been to England, but I'm guessing they don't feel anything since U.S. is pretty much the same as the U.S. minus the British accent. I mean most of our culture comes from England.
How do British immigrants feel when they immigrate to America?
|by Anonymous||reply 48||06/17/2013|
People coming to America "emigrate."
|by Anonymous||reply 1||06/11/2013|
[quote] I mean most of our culture comes from England.
Resembles yes, comes from, no.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||06/11/2013|
They don't feel much because their news media make a point of covering our culture. We wouldn't feel much either if our media covered them, but it doesn't.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||06/11/2013|
Thank you, R1.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||06/11/2013|
WTF is going on today? It's like an entire insane asylum got released with their own iPads to boot.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||06/11/2013|
There s a "special" person posting today.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||06/11/2013|
If they come from the middle or working classes, they probably feel freed from England's stifling class system.
Now it's not that American doesn't have a stifling class system of its own, but foreigners are largely exempt from its limitations. Plus an English accent gets you bumped up several perceived grades, just as a Spanish accent gets you downgraded.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||06/11/2013|
Most Americans tend to be overtly vocal about everything, but lacking in knowledge.
In the UK, you hesitate to voice an opinion, unless you are a certified expert on the subject matter.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||06/11/2013|
It's the weekly US vs UK thread from the OCD Troll, which gets taken seriously week after week by other posters with OCD.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||06/11/2013|
R8 is quite right. My husband is from England (working class). He acknowledges that America has a class system but it is not as deeply ingrained as the English class system. He also appreciates that we have more freedom of the press compared to England, where they can just outright ban a book if they don't like what it says. He hates the political lobbying system here, as do I.
And then there's gun control. When John Lennon got shot, my husband was new to America. Riding a taxi, he got into a discussion with the driver and said that maybe now Americans will get serious about gun control. The cabby said, "You'll never take guns away from Americans! If you take guns away from Americans, the Russians will be at our doors!"
One thing that surprised me, getting to know my husband's English friends was how left wing the working class is. We have no real left wing here. My husband had a friend, a working class guy with a Cockney accent and his views were very socialist. Over here, that same guy would have been Archie Bunker.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||06/11/2013|
In the USA, the poor vote right wing - against their own interests.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||06/11/2013|
I hate when people say there is only a class system in England. It's everywhere! And it certainly exists in the US. I think the English feel liberated just because it is different and the references, accents, world is a different one from the one they grew up in. This is what makes it feel liberating - not that there isn't a class system. People from the US can feel liberated when they live in Europe - for the same reasons.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||06/11/2013|
My Brit friends make a point of speaking with an American accent. They only speak naturally when among their own. It doesn't always work perfectly, but I'm amazed at how well it generally does. Brits are great, and the ones we get here in the US are among the best educated. The poor Brits could never afford such a move. Therefore, most of us amarikins look pretty stupid. It's the same class thing as here in the US. The well educated are generally more affluent and look down on the those of us who know so little.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||06/11/2013|
In the USA, the lower classes are called the 99%.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||06/11/2013|
[quote]In the UK, you hesitate to voice an opinion, unless you are a certified expert on the subject matter
Are they required to carry their certificates with them at all times, and present them on demand?
Before speaking up on a subject, are they obligated to prove their expertise by presenting their certificate?
If someone voices an opinion on a subject on which they are not a certified expert or cannot present their certificate, is there a fine or other penalty?
|by Anonymous||reply 16||06/11/2013|
American culture most closely resembles Teutonic culture not British.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||06/11/2013|
We hate the shortage of top quality mussy.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||06/11/2013|
The teeth are blinding and so disturbingly straight.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||06/11/2013|
I'm British and have lived in Boston and Atlanta for 2 years each (work related). What I found most surprising was the ignorance of anything outside the US. Not everyone, of course, but the majority of people were clueless about geography, culture, language, customs, history, anything really that wasn't directly involving themselves.
I'm guessing that the education system concentrates solely on the US and certainly TV was parochial so any deeper understanding of the rest of the world is down to individuals educating themselves and experiencing new things.
The American exceptionalism thing was a bit of a surprise too.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||06/11/2013|
I'm not sure I agree, R17. Teutonic = modern German, right? Germans are less puritanical than the British; American are more puritanical than the British. Germans are known for philosophy, British to a lesser degree, and Americans to a still (far) less degree.
Germans are more rational/secular than British, or close to the same. Americans resemble Latin Americans or Africans in their high level of religiosity, and low level of sophistication.
Well, jmho. I'm not sure we resemble any other culture - we're very idiosyncratic, but if I had to pick someone we resemble -- the old Soviet Union perhaps? Smug, sure they're "right" (their religion was the Communist state, of course, and not the supernatural version in America.)
I can't really think of anybody else - maybe, slightly, Australia? Well, certainly not Germany, and not Britain, very much, but more than Germany.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||06/11/2013|
[quote]Now it's not that American doesn't have a stifling class system of its own, but foreigners are largely exempt from its limitations. Plus an English accent gets you bumped up several perceived grades, just as a Spanish accent gets you downgraded.
An English friend who is now a U.S. citizen said one of the things she loved early on was that she didn't have anyone judging her social class from her accent. We've seen that beast rear its ugly head whenever we've had a thread about English accents; the caste system almost seems part of the English genetic composition.
She thinks most of us are uneducated, that we don't know how to think for ourselves, and that we're Puritans. It's hard to disagree with her about any of those criticisms.
I disagree with nearly every word I've ever heard come out of her mouth about the Irish. She was in the military in England, hates the Irish with a passion and only sees one side to that tragic history.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||06/11/2013|
What happens when people do things I don't understand? I'm not very smart, can 30-someodd posters weigh in on this stupid topic I just made up in my head? TIA!!
|by Anonymous||reply 23||06/11/2013|
[quote] He hates the political lobbying system here, as do I.
They have it in England too. It isn't as bad, but they do have a political lobbying system
[quote] One thing that surprised me, getting to know my husband's English friends was how left wing the working class is. We have no real left wing here
What's strange is that there isn't a right wing party in England. There is the BNP, but they aren't mainstream. The Tories consider themselves conservative/right wing, but they are actually much, much more liberal than the American Democrats have ever been. And what's funny is the Tories equate themselves as being similar to the American Republican Party
|by Anonymous||reply 24||06/11/2013|
R6, since you are not the person addressed, your observations are worthless.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||06/11/2013|
I worked with some English clients late last year, all women in the fashion industry. They referred to themselves and British celebs we spoke of as "English" not British. Having lived in England, I could tell their accents apart. One woman had a very posh accent, had gone to a top university and was very hard working. They were unfailingly polite and patient with everyone they came across. One did say that Americans, to her, seemed more jocular, outgoing and confident than the English and she admired that.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||06/12/2013|
There is a very right wing party in the UK and it's on the ascendency... the UKIP.
"The UK Independence Party (UKIP, Ukip, /ˈjuːkɪp/ yew-kip) is a Eurosceptic right-wing populist political party in the United Kingdom, founded in 1993. The party describes itself in its constitution as a "democratic, libertarian party" and, as of May 2013, has a membership of 27,500."
Source is Wikipedia but it's generally got a grain of truth in it somewhere.
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|by Anonymous||reply 28||06/12/2013|
Go away, R25. R6 added to the discussion. You did not.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||06/12/2013|
I lives in the US for a couple of years and the real differences I saw between the US and the UK were religion, nosiness and education.
Very few Brits are religious, or openly religious. It's personal if you are, you don't talk about it - you'd be be considered a loony if you did - and atheism isn't stigmatised. Americans are a nation of believers who like to talk about their belief.
Americans also seem very nosy to me. They don't have the art of non-committal small-talk. They are very direct about asking what you earn, whether or not you are married, what your views on religion are etc. Brits tend to find this very intrusive.
When Americans are well educated they are very well educated. But the vast majority of the population seem to struggle by with qualifications which make even our extremely flawed system look high-brow and international. Even knowledge you'd expect - basic science, maths and history about their own country - doesn't seem a priority. The country is very anti-intellectual.
There's also the extreme racist issues and the obsession with race in the US. British race issues exist but are a completely different conversation.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||06/12/2013|
R29, thanks so much for your scintillating riposte, douchebag.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||06/12/2013|
UKIP is a protest party R27. It's not going to break into General Elections in any significant way.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||06/12/2013|
Overconfidence is the American disease.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||06/12/2013|
Anyone's experience of the USA really depends on where they settle. New York and L.A. are very different from NC or Florida from Boston versus the mid west etc.
I remember I almost moved to the south once (and then I did but anyway briefly) and one of the 1st questions was "which Church do you belong to?".
No one in NYC or L.A. would ever ask that question. And no one in Boston or Seattle would either (mostly because they wouldn't talk to you because you're an outsider but...)
|by Anonymous||reply 34||06/12/2013|
I think John Cleese said for Brits coming here its the easiest country on the world. Just look at the mediocre ones who would founder mid level there who attain success and impress people here - Andrew Sullivan, Niall Ferguson, Christopher Hitchens. Oh I just realized I named the ones who exploited the void on the right.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||06/12/2013|
Municipal fire codes in the U.S. are rather effective.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||06/12/2013|
R30, interesting that you should note that Americans are too blunt or direct in discussing religion/etc. I guess it depends on what part of the US you're living in. Here in LA, it's rather a crass anomaly for people to openly discuss "hot button" issues such as politics or religion in mixed company. I've had friends and acquaintances from Europe (other countries; not Britain) and Latin America complain that Americans (at least in LA) seem to have no opinions and are unwilling to engage in debate or disagree with one another.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||06/12/2013|
R22 your friend is a cunt. Tell her to go back to Britain! The Irish are terrible? Why because they were treated like dogshit for centuries by The British(including both the Scottish and The English because they are both British)?I love Irish people and I'm part English AND Protestant.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||06/12/2013|
[quote]I've never been to England, but I'm guessing they don't feel anything since U.S. is pretty much the same as the U.S. minus the British accent. I mean most of our culture comes from England.
Oh, dear x1000.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||06/12/2013|
What class system?
Of course I wouldn't expect you un-educated oinks to understand, it's a complicated matter
|by Anonymous||reply 40||06/12/2013|
[quote]There's also the extreme racist issues and the obsession with race in the US. British race issues exist but are a completely different conversation.
There are extreme racists in the U.S. and a history of extreme racism, but extremes aside, I would also say that there is more of a connection between white, black and brown people in the U.S. then in the U.K.
I am American living here and I've found the outright racism in the U.K. pretty shocking. It's one of the things I really hate about living here.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||06/12/2013|
R41. It must be the company you keep. I'm in the UK currently and can honestly say I haven't seen one instance of racism. Of course it exists, it exists everywhere, but I really don't recognise the UK from your description. The racist lunatics are everywhere in the world but it isn't tolerated in Britain.
Not current, but during WWII American troops stationed in UK were given leaflets explaining how in the UK you should expect blacks and whites to be invited to the same events and treated equally and you shouldn't complain about eating at the same table because that's the British way.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||06/12/2013|
Anna Wintour thought she fit right in, but not according to Andy Warhol.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||06/12/2013|
My 300-pound-plus boss came from the UK to America, working at a small cable network.
Drank a lot and fell asleep often in meetings. Flew around the world first class supposedly making deals, although no deals were actually made.
He is now a chief creative officer for the BBC, in charge of 3000 people, although he could not properly manage 135 people in the US.
British immigrants to the US do well and are greeted with accolades when they go home for braving the horrors of US TV. Although they suck.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||06/12/2013|
I agree, R38. I finally told her it's one subject on which we'll never agree and there's no point in discussing it any further.
Her excuse is that she was in the military during the last of the "troubles," and she knew people who had been in the line of fire. She only sees one side to the story; the unfortunate thing is that it made me mistrust her judgment on other issues.
She said the U.S. hasn't had a decent cup of tea since the Boston Tea Party. I smiled nicely and said I thought it was a good trade-off.
We got into an interesting discussion about the word "Paki." A Pakistani friend requested that I ask her if the word is racist. She said it's all in the context, that if you see a skinhead screaming it in the street, it's racist. She said for most people she knows, it's not pejorative and is only a verbal shortcut.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||06/12/2013|
Who the hell cares how they feel?
|by Anonymous||reply 46||06/14/2013|
R43 Nice try but do your homework beforehand, Anna Wintour is half American.
I loved Grace BUT she didn't want to "service" the head of the company like Anna, the half Yank, did.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||06/17/2013|
R45 Paki is more common than one would think.
She's right about the tea.However the food in better in the US!
As for the British army,yes they were not the occupiers Irish Catholics would have you believe however they were by no means saints. That being said Irish Catholics in the North were living like blacks in South Africa during apartheid.It was terrible for them there.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||06/17/2013|