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HBO's "Behind the Candelabra" Thread II (and Damon Butt too!)

The original thread is almost full.

"And critics are loving the fuck out of it!"

by Anonymousreply 25012/11/2013

Any rimming?

by Anonymousreply 105/28/2013

Damon. Bedazzled Speedo. Best he's looked since at least Invictus.

by Anonymousreply 305/28/2013

I did enjoy the movie, but once I found out that this guy was in his late teens when he met Liberace I realized how miscast Damon was. As good as he looked, I was thinking MAYBE they were trying to pass him off as 25-30, but 19? NO FUCKING WAY. The miscasting of that role robbed the movie of an element that would've been essential to telling the story the way it was meant to be told.

by Anonymousreply 405/28/2013

[quote]I was thinking MAYBE they were trying to pass him off as 25-30, but 19? NO FUCKING WAY. The miscasting of that role robbed the movie of an element that would've been essential to telling the story the way it was meant to be told.

But if they'd cast an actor in his twenties, it would have looked creepier, and I don't think they were trying to tell the story of Lee as a sexual predator.

They did a really good job with the make-up on both Douglas and Damon, so you could almost buy him as closer to Scott Thorson's real age at the time than the fact that he's in reality closer to Lee's age during the movie's time period.

by Anonymousreply 505/28/2013

Showing it like it really was would make it just too creepy to be palatable. Think of Hugh Hefner and his creepy girl concubines.

by Anonymousreply 605/28/2013

Maybe they did the best with what they had to work with. Perhaps many actors still don't want to play gay roles, for various reason, such as them being closeted themselves. Damon's too old but did a great job otherwise. And he is young looking for his age, so his casting isn't too outrageous.

by Anonymousreply 705/28/2013

Here's my only Liberace story:

I used to know a guy who was a plastic surgeon in NYC. Lived on Central Park South next to the Plaza. Nice guy - looked just like William Conrad on "Cannon."

(I'm sure there are some NYC queens who knew him - post here! He threw me a "welcome to NYC party" in '84 and I met a lot of you.) I'm Scott, the cute "wholesome" guy from DC.)

He was the person who got me to come to NYC for my first visit - paid for my visit, even, and I stayed at that great place with 30 feet of windows overlooking Central Park. Nice for a first time in NYC. Sweet man, and I liked him a lot. RIP, Bill.

He told me some time later that he was seeing Liberace at Radio City, and I just said "WHY?"

He thought it would be a camp hoot.

Anyway, he said that he'd been told from some plastic surgeon friends that Liberace had silicone injections in his dick in the late 60s/early 70s to make it bigger.

Lee had done this when silicone wasn't, er, "perfected" - so his dick actually had lots of little silicone lumps all over it as it more or less coagulated or something.

I'm surprised that one of his later "lovers" hasn't told this story. I think Bill wouldn't have lied about that.

by Anonymousreply 805/28/2013

People clamoring for age authenticity seem to be oblivious to the fact that most teen roles are played by older people. Not that Matt should be playing a teen, but he looked and acted young and innocent enough in the movie Plus, they masterfully abandoned having to focus on the teen predatory issues of the penned book, so they could sink into the other stuff without distraction.

"Hi Mom, I know you wanted me to finish high school, but I have to postpone my senior year because I just got cast in this HBO movie!!!!

I have the lead!!!


I have some scenes where I have to kiss and make out with a guy - also a few nude scenes -hope you're OK with that. I know you are because you're cool parents...


Michael Douglas.

You know...Wall Street, The Streets of San Francisco, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest...

Hello?... Mom?....

Stop screaming. Put Dad on the phone.

Put Dad on the phone...


by Anonymousreply 905/28/2013

[quote]Showing it like it really was would make it just too creepy to be palatable.

Not to mention illegal

by Anonymousreply 1005/28/2013

Wasn't Michael Douglas also older than Liberace was in the period depicted in the movie?

by Anonymousreply 1105/28/2013

Dial Tone:

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Thank you! Best scenario ever.

Please tell me you plan to write for movies or TV. You rock, man.

by Anonymousreply 1205/28/2013

I think it is so much better, when an older actor, or actress, plays younger. Some of us MUST do that in our careers . We MUST.

by Anonymousreply 1305/28/2013

I had no idea that weird thing was Rob Lowe. Jeez, he looked scary. I didn't even know he was in this.

by Anonymousreply 1405/28/2013

In the context of the movie though, I don't think Damon was supposed to be a teen.

by Anonymousreply 1505/28/2013

Right r11, I keep forgetting that. It's easy to remember that Damon is too young, but Douglas is too old, too. The did a great considering though, even if it could've conceivably been better cast.

by Anonymousreply 1605/28/2013

I had no idea that was Debbie Reynolds! Prosthetics AND a foregin accent and she doesn't overplay it for once? Give her the Oscar!

by Anonymousreply 1705/28/2013

Yes, they took liberties with the autobiographical elements so that Scott Thorson wouldn't be quite so young in the beginning. He was meant to be in his 20s.

by Anonymousreply 1805/28/2013

[quote]Give her the Oscar!

See if you can figure out what's wrong with your sentence.

by Anonymousreply 1905/28/2013

Is this getting a theatrical release overseas?

by Anonymousreply 2005/28/2013

So far there are theatrical release dates set for the UK, Belgium and Sweden.

by Anonymousreply 2105/28/2013

If you look at the real Scott, he didn't even look like a teen when he WAS a teen.

by Anonymousreply 2205/28/2013

I loved at the end where they say Scott lives in Reno---they failed to mention it is Reno Jail...he was a key witness in the wonderland murders, stole credit cards etc...not exactly an angel.

by Anonymousreply 2305/28/2013

So the studio has more faith in a British, Belgian, and Swedish audience, I take it.

by Anonymousreply 2405/28/2013

Those are also smaller venues than most USA ones.

by Anonymousreply 2505/28/2013

Both MD's are brilliant in this.

by Anonymousreply 2605/28/2013

Oh yeah! Have at it :)

by Anonymousreply 2705/28/2013

Loved this!

by Anonymousreply 2805/28/2013

The same audiences that loved Liberace also loved Jerry Lewis, Jimmy Durante, Red Skelton, Lawrence Welk, Pearl Bailey and so many other showbiz legends whose appeal doesn't translate today.

by Anonymousreply 2905/28/2013

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by Anonymousreply 3005/28/2013

Please, put the link to the previous thread.


by Anonymousreply 3105/28/2013

Damons young Thorsen was obviously digitally enhanced. His face looked way to young. It's not that hard to do these days.

by Anonymousreply 3205/28/2013

I think the most telling part of the movie was when Liberace was telling Thorson about his "come to God" moment. He didn't say that God was okay with homosexuality, but rather, that God had granted Liberace a special dispensation from the sin of homosexuality inn the form of saving his life. Thereby making only Liberace's homosexuality okay.

In other words, "Lee" and his talent make him superior to other humans, especially run of the mill gays. Pretty narcissistic, no? I think that explained a lot: his drive to be a star, his lack of remorse in exploiting young men, the persecution complex, i.e., "I give and I give and I give and all you do is take," etc.

I don't think the movie presented either Liberace or Thorson as innocents.

by Anonymousreply 3305/28/2013

I don't care about age Matt Damon gave me life.

They whole cast was superb.

I really liked this movie my Granny would always go on and on about Lib & Tom Jones growing up.

by Anonymousreply 3405/28/2013

Well if you consider what the real life Scott Thorson actually looked like back then, Matt Damon is actually a vast improvement. He looks more youthful than the actual Scott Thorson did!

If you look at all of Liberace's boy toys, they all look pudgy and badly aged. He must have had a thing for overgrown cherub types.

by Anonymousreply 3505/28/2013

The images of Damon's butt are magnificent. I've been Borne again.

by Anonymousreply 3605/28/2013

Years ago I read a biography (or biographical article) about Liberace, and the one thing I remember was his shopping habit, particularly furniture. He had warehouses of gaudy stuff, so he would buy more houses for it, and then need more furniture to fill them, etc.

But his friends said that he was just as happy with rhinestones as he was with precious jewels -- as long as they were ostentatious enough. Apparently his warehouses had the most rococo but valuable antiques stacked next to gold-painted end tables he'd find in low-rent Las Vegas furniture stores.

A lot of the low-rent stuff made its way to the Liberace Museum. When I "toured" it (as much as you can "tour" a few rooms in a strip mall), it was surprising how junky many of his treasures really were. Of course, the valuable stuff was probably vultured away by his survivors and friends.

by Anonymousreply 3805/29/2013

r38 again...

... but what I really coveted was the legendary Liberace Hot Nuts dispenser that looked like a jeweled ceramic toilet. Lux and Ivy of the Cramps had one and enjoyed showing it off in interviews...

by Anonymousreply 3905/29/2013

Cary James looked like Gaetan Dugas.

by Anonymousreply 4005/29/2013

but not likely on an HBO budget R32

by Anonymousreply 4105/29/2013

I thought they successfully managed to make Damon look much, much younger.

I really enjoyed Cheyenne Jackson for what little screen time he had.

I also had no idea that was Debbie Reynolds.

by Anonymousreply 4205/29/2013

I loved it. Especially the domestic Liberace. The vacuuming, the washing the dishes and cleaning up after the dogs. But the best was the last scene. Liberace flying up to heaven with wings on.

by Anonymousreply 4305/29/2013

did someone post the butt and i missed it?

by Anonymousreply 4405/29/2013

I just about choked to death from laughter when the dead Liberace, in full sparkling regalia, transcending up into the sky like Jesus rising from the tomb. It was the only truly campy moment the director allowed but it was so fitting that it still seemed appropriate for the particular scene.

by Anonymousreply 4505/29/2013

WHAT is this endless "butt" shit?

Damon is as plain as porridge, and exudes not a drop of sexuality. I'm guessing the hymnists are elder tubby flyover gays.

by Anonymousreply 4605/29/2013

Wow, that was Debbie Reynolds? I didn't know either. I loved how she snatched the cigarette out of Lee's mouth when they were by the pool.

by Anonymousreply 4705/29/2013

i saw 5 guys cuter than matt damon at the grocery store today. i saw that butt in talented mr. ripley and it was nothin', he has no cheeks, its a flat little pimple butt

by Anonymousreply 4805/29/2013

click on R27's link, R44

by Anonymousreply 4905/29/2013

The Damon butt is quite magnificent. It's weird, I never found him that hot but now that he is beefier and more manly I do..

by Anonymousreply 5105/29/2013

I don't know r50, I disapprove of Liberace pursuing a 17 yr old, but ultimately I can't get that worked up about it when it's just a year shy of legal. And they stayed together for years after they stopped having sex, so Liberace did apparently have real feelings for Scott, it wasn't just about sex. I'm sure people inclined to disapprove of homosexuality are creeped-out, but I think that's an overreaction here.

by Anonymousreply 5205/29/2013

I think he held on to Scott because he hadn't yet procured a suitable replacement for him until Cary James came along. Then he started phasing Scott out slowly. He could have also enjoyed having some company around. I'd imagine it could be quite lonely being Liberace.

by Anonymousreply 5305/29/2013

Mostly loved Candelabra - Douglas, Damon, Reynolds and Lowe were all good, but does anybody really think that was Damon's body in the swimsuit shots? I watched it again and I think they used a body double - Damon's butt is bigger and he is a lot chubbier.

by Anonymousreply 5405/29/2013

Liberace didn't start phasing Scott out until he started becoming nagging pain in the butt, and a druggy. Liberace gave him second chances, but eventually had to accept that Scott was going down the drain.

by Anonymousreply 5505/29/2013

R18, what "autobiographical elements" were there?

by Anonymousreply 5605/29/2013

Damn's pits were so much better then his ass

by Anonymousreply 5705/29/2013

Plenty, r56.

Hint: It was not Liberace's autobiography, you fool.

by Anonymousreply 5805/29/2013

The actor that played Cary James really look like him.

I wonder how they achieved that younger look on Michael Douglas after the plastic surgery. I bet he'd love that in real life.

The photo's I've seen of Scott with Liberace, he didn't look 17 so I don't think we needed a young actor to play him. But Matt Damon did amazing well playing a guy in his 20's .

by Anonymousreply 5905/29/2013

R57, I second that!!!

by Anonymousreply 6005/29/2013

r37, then you have "The Nance," which depicts a genuinely caring and equal relationship between a young gay man and his middle-aged boyfriend. Plus naked ass, and it's LIVE, no CGI involved.

by Anonymousreply 6105/29/2013

Michael Douglas is not just older than Liberace was at the time, he is considerably older, and he looks it. I think the age difference between Douglas and Damon is greater than it was between Liberace and Thorson, though I haven't looked it up.

Had they cast Thorson true to his age at the time, the casting of Douglas would have been far creepier than than the real situation was. Given Douglas' age, it was appropriate to cast an older Thorson as well.

The make-up was excellent, and it was a little shocking at first to see the digitally-smoothed baby-faced Damon in the beginning.

by Anonymousreply 6205/29/2013

For the poster who inquired about the real piano player:

[quote]According to the Las Vegas Sun, special effects were used to digitally graft the actor's head onto the body of Philip Fortenberry, a Juilliard-trained Liberace virtuoso who was the in-house entertainer at the (now closed) Liberace Museum in Las Vegas for years.

by Anonymousreply 6305/29/2013

[quote]a Juilliard-trained Liberace virtuoso who was the in-house entertainer at the (now closed) Liberace Museum in Las Vegas for years.

Oh lordy. Juilliard-trained and you find yourself working as the in-house entertainer at a strip-mall Liberace museum?

by Anonymousreply 6405/29/2013

r62, you're not even close and you should have looked it up before commenting. Among some of your incorrect conjectures, Douglas was only ten years older at the time of filming than Liberace was in 1977, and almost the right age for the death scene. Moreover, the Douglas/Damon age difference is nowhere near the Lee/Scott one.

But in my opinion, the gap is closed by the fact that Damon looks young for his age, Scott looked older and harsher for his, and Liberace was a pretty immature individual with arrested development and mommy issues.

Michael Douglas at the time of filming:

68 years old

Matt Damon at the time of filming:

41 years old

Age Difference: 27 years

Liberace in 1977:

57 to 58 years old

Scott Thorson in 1977:

18 to 19 years old

Age Difference:

Anywhere between 38 and 40 years

We should let the screenplay's license be, once and for all.

by Anonymousreply 6505/29/2013

I never understood people's attraction to Damon. He's not bad looking, but the adoration is quite bewildering. I think there were more sexier guys in my high school chemistry class that could have blown Damon out of the water (pun intended).

by Anonymousreply 6605/29/2013

Matt Damon has reasonable good looks and a charming personality. That's what people see in him. Movie stars are stars based on charisma not just looks. They're plenty of good looking actors that have gone no where on the screen.

by Anonymousreply 6705/29/2013

"If you look at the real Scott, he didn't even look like a teen when he WAS a teen."

Probably because he lies about his age.

by Anonymousreply 6805/29/2013

Rob Lowe doesn't look anything like the real guy. He looks like an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 6905/29/2013

R63, what is "a Liberace virtuoso"?

Sounds oxymoronic to me.

by Anonymousreply 7005/29/2013

I couldn't stand Liberace, his style, his crappy, by the numbers piano playing. He only made it because of his flamboyant image. I liked Elton John, at least he wrote interesting melodies and rocked.

by Anonymousreply 7105/29/2013

Rob Lowe was my favorite part of the movie!

by Anonymousreply 7205/29/2013

Andy Cohen went on and on about Candleopera last night on WWHL. He said it "totally rocked my world." He even featured a candleopera as the guest bartender and showed a photo of Rob Lowe as the plastic surgeon. Everybody in Hollywood is talking about this movie.

by Anonymousreply 7305/29/2013

"Candleopera" My new drag name.

by Anonymousreply 7405/29/2013

Rob Lowe's plastic face was the campiest part of the movie, other than Dan Ackroyd in that Harvey Korman get-up.

by Anonymousreply 7505/29/2013

It really is a great movie. The performances by Douglas, Damon, Lowe, etc., were all top notch.

Interestingly, this past weekend HBO was also showing another Soderburgh movie, MAGIC MIKE. Saw it for the first time. What a stinker!

As good as BTC is that's how bad MM was. Complete opposite. Hard to believe the two were directed by the same guy.

Of course one had the awful Channing Tatum in it.

by Anonymousreply 7605/29/2013

Dan Ackroyd looked like Will Ferrell doing his Harry Carey imitation.

by Anonymousreply 7705/29/2013

I recorded MM but haven't watched it yet. I'm hoping the eye candy will get me horned up and then pop in a porn and bust a nut. Loved BTC...

by Anonymousreply 7805/29/2013

"I couldn't stand Liberace, his style, his crappy, by the numbers piano playing. He only made it because of his flamboyant image"

Oh, please. If "flamboyance" automatically made you into a star then Bobby Trendy would be on the A-list. Lee was a gifted pianist.

by Anonymousreply 7905/29/2013

I hated Liberace's image, but he was truly one of the all-time great concert pianists and popularizers of music.

by Anonymousreply 8005/29/2013

He wasn't considered a great concert pianist, r80, the critics never cottoned to him. And what music did he popularize? He never had a hit record. He played very rote interpretations of classical works. No emotion, just like he acted in real life.

by Anonymousreply 8205/29/2013

Exactly r82, Lee called himself Mr. Showmanship for a reason, and it wasn't because he was humble about his piano playing skills.

by Anonymousreply 8305/29/2013

I loved Matt Damon's freakout when they came to take him out of Lee's house.

by Anonymousreply 8405/29/2013

A preview of Liberace's Christmas special

by Anonymousreply 8505/29/2013

There was talk of M DOuglas gettin the best actor award at Cannes but it went ti Bruce Dern for Nebraska. No HBO in France , it's being released in theaters in September. They should have done just a major city realease at least in the states..

by Anonymousreply 8605/29/2013

How could such a flaming queen hide in plain sight like that!

by Anonymousreply 8705/29/2013

Matt is a MOVIE EXTRA in the movie.

by Anonymousreply 8805/29/2013

I think the question is not how could he hide in plain sight but how could he parody conventional masculinity and get away with it? The public would have been much less tolerant if they knew he was hanging around glory holes and had a 17-year-old live-in companion when he was 42. He paraded his flamboyance, not his sexual appetite. In a way, he was the Tyler Perry of his day. Also, the public was less inclined to resent his ostentatious show of wealth because he had started out poor and he laughed about his furs and car. He was over the top in the way that Jayne Mansfield and Phyllis Diller were over the top.

by Anonymousreply 8905/29/2013

[quote]he was the Tyler Perry of his day.

Um, what? Not even close.

by Anonymousreply 9005/29/2013

He was the first hiding in plain sight queer with his own television show. And the old ladies loved that, like they love queeny hairdressers.

by Anonymousreply 9105/29/2013

[quote] and had a 17-year-old live-in companion when he was 42.

He was 57, not 42.

by Anonymousreply 9205/29/2013

I thought the moview was just ok. Why Spielberg went bonkers over it and asked Soderbergh to submit it to Cannes is a headscratcher.

by Anonymousreply 9305/29/2013

It was no great shakes. The makeup and computer touches we're good, but really, what was the point of Debby Reynolds? I couldn't even understand her. So Liberace gave his mother a house and visited her and she complained about being lonely. So? She was no Dina Lohan or Mama Rose.

Weren't prescriptive amphetamines illegal by the late 1970s? It was implied thorson was taking amphetamines prescribed by Dr Rob Lowe.

I think it was a vanity project. Everyone was being campy, even Dan Akroyd. It seemed like they made the movie so they could dress up and be really out there. I'll bet it was fun to make. But it wasn't a particularly interesting story. It was more of an anecdote that could be told in a few minutes rather than a story worthy of a film.

by Anonymousreply 9405/29/2013

"Lee was a gifted pianist."

I never thought so. His playing was very mechanical, totally lacking any intensity or originality. I think his flamboyance was a way of distracting the listener so his mediocre talent woudn't be noticed. And it worked! Most people were so bedazzled by his glittering jewels and costumes and accoutrements (like a boy toy dressing in a rhinestone-studded chauffeur's uniform driving him onstage in a limo) that they totally overlooked his machine-like piano-playing technique.

by Anonymousreply 9505/29/2013

What is fascinating is all this happend to Scott before he was 30 -

He becomes his live in companion, witnesses the beating of John Holmes at Nashes house (wonderland murderers), sues for 113 million in plaimony, gets 95k two cars and two dogs, reconciles with an aids stricken Liberace, testifies agains Nash and goes into witness protection...all before he turns 30.

by Anonymousreply 9605/29/2013

Ryan Murphy will need to up the sex quotient of The Normal Heart if he wants to generate the kind of interest and hoopla that Candelbra has garnered.

by Anonymousreply 9705/29/2013

[quote]I never thought so. His playing was very mechanical, totally lacking any intensity or originality.

This is the same kind of person who goes to an art museum, points to paintings and says, "Hmmmph! I could do THAT!"

by Anonymousreply 9805/29/2013

Exactly, r98.

by Anonymousreply 9905/29/2013

Travolta, and even Tom Cruise, would have been good choices to play Liberace. But we all know that neither one of them would dare touch it.

Ryan Phillipe would have made a good Scott Thorson.

by Anonymousreply 10005/29/2013

I think the people who were hired for the role were perfect in them. Travolta and Cruise have neither the talent nor the will to let fully go as Liberace.

Travolta's role of the mother in Hairspray was awful exactly because of that - he played it like a man reminding everyone he was still a man dressed as a woman. Patrick Swazey did the same thing in Wong Foo, a performance that came across even more stifled when compared with Leguizamo and Snipes, both of whom truly let loose.

by Anonymousreply 10105/29/2013

[quote]he laughed about his furs and car.

That was a big part of his appeal. He laughed at himself "Oh my god, can you believe this? Look at me, how absurd am I?!"

he was doing schtick that was highly entertaining for its time. Milton Berle drag amped up a thousand.

by Anonymousreply 10205/29/2013

There needs to be an Emmy for best acting ensemble. This would win hands down. Debbie Reynolds, Cheyenne, Rob Lowe, Dan Akroyd and the guy who played Carlucci stole every scene they were in. One of my favorite scenes is the one where they are just hanging out at home, in their color coordinated outfits, eating popcorn and waiting for the Tonight show to come on. It showed there was more to the relationship than just sex. They had a real affection for one another. It was sweet.

by Anonymousreply 10305/29/2013

The film critic on Fresh Air today said Douglas should have won Best Actor at Cannes.

I think had the movie gotten a theatrical release Douglas would have been a serious Oscar contender. Illness + playing gay + career achievement + playing a real person. How could he miss?

by Anonymousreply 10405/29/2013

[quote]I thought the moview was just ok. Why Spielberg went bonkers over it and asked Soderbergh to submit it to Cannes is a headscratcher.

That's why you're the most successful filmmaker of all time and Spielberg sits at ho.... oh, wait.

by Anonymousreply 10505/29/2013


by Anonymousreply 10605/30/2013

I love you R105 ❤❤❤

by Anonymousreply 10705/30/2013

Now I'm fascinated with Liberace, whom I always thought was a joke and the embodiment of bad taste. If you watch his GMA three-part series with Ron Reagan on youtube, it's clear no one could figure out his appeal back then either. And we'll never know now as all of his fans are dead. He said in the interview that he intentionally created a brand or persona just like Mae West did. His shtick onstage and with the media was saying, "I'm just a regular guy and this is all an act." It was exactly how Liberace came on to Scott in the movie. But if it was an act, why would he live in that crapfest of a house?

Also, he tried to come across as the nicest guy in the world in his interviews. Phyllis Diller described him as being like a lovely female friend. Debbie Reynolds described him as fey and campy rather than gay. Robert Goulet mentioned he was asked to give the eulogy and he really didn't know him at all.

His press agent said he never came out because he thought it would hurt his career. He did two autobiographies and the second was titled "The Wonderful Private World of Liberace" and it was filled with lies. He got pretty far with faux sincerity and creating a niche in Vegas early in the game. His fan base was women whose husbands would rather have them watch Liberace than Elvis or Tom Jones.

by Anonymousreply 10905/30/2013

R109 You are recalling the August 2001 Larry King interview. All of them were bad except his maid and manager. They were picking him apart. Why do you need friends when they aren't loyal to you?

There is no gay support of gay celebrities now and there wasn't any back then. So why do gay people keep acting stupid and question why Liberace didn't come out? You ran away from him even though he wasn't out. There are gay venues yet what have they produced in terms of mainstream talent? RuPaul, that's it. Gay people have not supported gay talent to the mainstream. Gay people have to go to mainstream venues from the get go and that means having their careers controlled by heterosexuals which means they don't come out.

by Anonymousreply 11005/30/2013

The BBC did a series on him and made the point that having won two libel suits and testifying under oath that he was not homosexual, he had painted a trap and could never come out. There was a time in the 40s and 50s before he started camping it up that he was a heartthrob and women who saw him on TV thought of him as their boyfriend. When he got engaged, his female fans were dismayed so he promptly dumped the woman. Sound familiar? He was a user.

Also,coming out in the 80s might have signaled it was okay to write about his young boys and glory hole exploits, assuming that story is true. He cared a lot about his legacy.

I think R110 makes an interesting point, though. Did he have a gay fan base? I'm guessing not because the kind of camp that appealed to young gays in the 70s was in-your-face and ribald like Bette Midler, plus he was older and not particularly hot by then.

A big part of his image was his generosity to people. In all of his interviews, he talks about the gifts he gives to friends. He described himself as a shopaholic who enjoyed a good bargain and haunted house sales. Scott was a bargain, all things considered. Hooking up with a very young man and pretending he was his son gave him plausible deniability. If he was really a nice guy, why didn't he give Thorson the house free and clear on condition he went to rehab? Thorson may have been a druggie but there's no reason to screw him over. He left his final houseboy of eight years $250,000 in his will even though his estimated earnings year after year were in the $5 million range. This was not a nice man.

by Anonymousreply 11105/30/2013

He didn't HAVE to come out then. Everyone knew he was gay! I'm 54 and in the 60's he was known as being gay, that's why I don't get this shit on MM with the Sal story. It WAS shitty for Jews then (I'm one) and gays but gays were accepted more or less, especially in big cities, and I grew up in one. Everyone knew and understood he was gay, everyone that lived in a city that is.

by Anonymousreply 11205/30/2013

Oh everyone should see Oprah's interview of him--major suckfest. She asks him if the palimony suit wasn't just awful and did it make it hard for him to trust those around him? She also goes through the story of his losing his virginity to an older woman. This was before angry Oprah who let people have it.

by Anonymousreply 11305/30/2013

All things considered, I think the country was better off having a Liberace. One could go on and on.

by Anonymousreply 11405/30/2013

I thought it was called "Behind the Candelshitbra."

I was very disappointed.

by Anonymousreply 11505/30/2013

Well Valerie's dying, you can take comfort in that Melissa.

by Anonymousreply 11605/30/2013

I mentioned this before ,but I think Scott lies about his age. Also, I'm sorry, but I question the creditably of a guy who has a criminal record and who is a drug addict.I knew someone who became drug free ,and she said a lot of people who are drug addicts lie tremendously because of their way of life. Also, there are some factors about Scott that seems to be overlooked. Scott said he became a drug addict as a result of the plastic surgery. That may have been highly possible, but considering the 70s and early 80s drug use was very ,very big. Especially with the younger generation back then.Living in Liberace's world of lots of money and fame, it could have been easy for Scott to gain easy access to drugs. He could have done drugs through out their relationship behind Liberace's back. Also, consider the sad circumstances of Scott's background. He might have turned to drugs to ease his pain before he meat Lee, which so many, not all, who grew up in the same way as Scott in their lives of being a foster child, possibly abused and neglected have done.

However, don't get me wrong, I'm not making Liberace out to be a saint in the least. Liberace was a mature adult who, even though he gave a lot to others,and he might have been lonely, he was still a selfish man who seemed like his needs to be met were the most important no matter if he hurt others , took a very young man's life and messed with it, and other lives ,and used them and dumped them when HE was done using them. On the other hand, I have read that he had this other side to him, which he used to give tons of presents to people ,especially at Christmas time which he loved, and so many would go to his parties just to receive a present and then quickly leave once they received their gifts. Apparently he had a lot of people leach off of him. I think he wanted to be liked by others very much.

Also,Phyllis Diller played the piano professionally ,and she said Lee did not play the piano that well, but he was a savvy showman and a terrific entertainer. I have personally know some one whose mother was a concert pianist, and she said her mother used to cringe when she watched and heard him play because she observed so many flaws.

BTW, let me repeat, Liberace was a contradiction in his taste as well. Such as, he had a lot of cheap plastic tacky crap in his homes, but he also had museum quality extraordinary antiques ,which were mindbogglingly beautiful and highly historical. As I have mentioned before, when I was a little kid, I remember Liberace gave a tour of his homes ,and he owned, Napoleon and Josephine's complete set of china which was exquisite, Czar Nichols desk from the Russian Royal Palace, a 150 year old table made out of Baccarat crystal, which was once owned by a Raj and that was just a tip of the iceberg! Honey, I wasn't a fan of Liberace's ,but I sure as hell was a major fan of his high end antiques!

I have noticed on Ebay a lot of Liberace stuff is selling really well just recently. I guess the movie had some influence? interesting.

by Anonymousreply 11705/30/2013

[quote] Did Matt and Michael kiss? After their lips touched did the camera pan to the back of one of their heads' or cut to another scene?

They kissed plenty, and there was no "cutting" or panning away.

by Anonymousreply 11805/30/2013

I think it's crazy to say that gays must support gay performers even if their work is crap. And I do respect that Liberace wouldn't have had a career unless he claimed to be straight. And I can see how his gender-bending stage persona broke barriers. But his stage act reminds me of those hideous concoctions on "This is why you're fat." They'll put a giant hamburger between two pizzas and top it with mashed potatoes and meatballs because they assume that more is always better. Oddly enough, a sequined Rolls Royce is not more impressive than a plain one. And a fox coat with a ten-foot train is not more attractive than one with no train at all. These things are not humorous or entertaining--they're just ugly and garish.

by Anonymousreply 11905/30/2013

"Damon is as plain as porridge, and exudes not a drop of sexuality. I'm guessing the hymnists are elder tubby flyover gays."

I feel sorry for you. There must be very few men you can find up to your standards.

by Anonymousreply 12005/30/2013

"I couldn't stand Liberace, his style, his crappy, by the numbers piano playing. He only made it because of his flamboyant image. I liked Elton John, at least he wrote interesting melodies and rocked."

And your standards would eliminate Brahms and Wagner. But at least you can keep telling yourself that you "rock."

by Anonymousreply 12105/30/2013

R117 - you're that same crazy queen who was posting long post sin the last thread. OKAY, WE GET IT!

by Anonymousreply 12205/30/2013

It's kind of sad that Elaine Young uses such an old photo of herself on her website.

The woman who's face Liberace's plastic surgeon messed up..

by Anonymousreply 12305/30/2013

How strange. I just posted on the Mad Men thread about Sharon Tate, and in looking at Elaine Young's press kit, it looks like she had something to do with the house where Sharon was murdered.

Wow, this woman needs her own thread!!

See link and click through her press kit, photos, etc..

Really - wow!

by Anonymousreply 12405/30/2013

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by Anonymousreply 12505/30/2013

Rob Lowe was the one overstatement. The rest of the cast was respectful of the material and didn't stoop to cheap effects - even Debbie Reynolds! - but for some reason, Lowe chose to go over the top and ruined all of his scenes.

by Anonymousreply 12605/30/2013

[quote]Wow, this woman needs her own thread!!

Sure is a crappy, unprofessional website for such a big deal realtor.

Did you know she was married to Gig?

by Anonymousreply 12705/30/2013

Um, you guys know you're discussing a dead woman, right? Years ago.

by Anonymousreply 12805/30/2013

If recent and semi-recent scrutinized, researched, spot-on portrayals of Abraham Lincoln, Ray Charles, Truman Capote, Idi Amin, Margaret Thatcher, Julia Child, Katherine Hepburn, Queens Elizabeth I & II, Dorothy Dandridge, Gia Carangi are any indication (not including Eva Perón or Che Guevara on purpose as those were not even close to their real-life subjects), Michael Douglas has a few awards in the bag.

It's been the awards trend for over two decades now (preceded by handicapped people, preceded by whores/flawed individuals living on the fringes of society, preceded by the very privileged or heroic).

by Anonymousreply 12905/30/2013

"This is the same kind of person who goes to an art museum, points to paintings and says, "Hmmmph! I could do THAT!"

Considering that a nondescript rendering of a middle-aged, bare titted Bea Arthur fetched $1.9 million dollars, I probably could do THAT.

by Anonymousreply 13005/30/2013

"Lee was a gifted pianist."

"I hated Liberace's image, but he was truly one of the all-time great concert pianists and popularizers of music.'

I thought only blue haired old women thought Liberace was a "great" or "gifted" concert pianist. I guess a lot of prissy-pants gay men think so too.

by Anonymousreply 13105/30/2013

I saw Liberace's show at the Las Vegas Hilton back in the day and let me tell you it was fabulous. He was a great entertainer. I loved the furs and jewelry and the "Dancing Waters". Great fun.

by Anonymousreply 13205/30/2013

Candelabra has turned out to be the most talked about movie of the past 10 years. The buzz has just been phenomenal. I hope this means we'll see more gay-themed movies in the future. You know Larry Kramer has to be thrilled about the prospects of The Normal Heart on HBO. When is that supposed to air? I'm glad it won't be up against Candelabra at the awards shows. I have a feeling Candelabra and Heart are going to clean up at the Emmys, Golden Globes and SAGs over the next 2 years. That's good for us gays.

by Anonymousreply 13305/30/2013

Liberace and Andy Warhol died within 18 days of each other in February 1987.

by Anonymousreply 13405/30/2013

[quote]Um, you guys know you're discussing a dead woman, right? Years ago.

Shit! I had no idea. Why is all of her stuff still up? It's been 7 years, wow.

by Anonymousreply 13505/30/2013

[quote] You know Larry Kramer has to be thrilled about the prospects of The Normal Heart on HBO. When is that supposed to air?

I'm guessing sometime in 2014, since it hasn't even been filmed yet.

by Anonymousreply 13605/30/2013

Do you think Damon got an erection when he was fucking Douglas in that scene? If I was grinding up against another guy like that, I think I would get hard. They were really going after it. He was fucking the shit out of Douglas' mussy.

by Anonymousreply 13705/30/2013

This thread is the best DL crapfest in years. It reads like a John Waters production. It's a snack that eats like a meal.

by Anonymousreply 13805/30/2013

[quote]It's a snack that eats like a meal.


by Anonymousreply 13905/30/2013

lol R138

I'm loving it too.

by Anonymousreply 14005/30/2013

[quote]Lowe chose to go over the top and ruined all of his scenes.

Hmmmm.... well if indeed his performance was OTT that would lie with what the film's director wanted from his actor. But it seems as though Lowe's performance was spot-on regarding the true-life OTT creep he was portraying.

by Anonymousreply 14105/30/2013

"You're such a booper, a party pooper booper"

by Anonymousreply 14205/30/2013

[R117] - you're that same crazy queen who was posting long post sin the last thread. OKAY, WE GET IT!

R122, I indicated that I have repeated some stuff, BUT I also commented on some knew factors about Scott! OKAY, GROUCHY GRANDPA DRAG QUEEN!!

I checked if Elaine Young wrote a book on Amazon.She wrote a book in 1979 but nothing else there after.She should have written a really thorough book about all of the things she knew about and have encountered in Hollywood. Can you image the stuff she knew? and could have written about? How awful she took it with her to the grave. Why do so many of these people do that!UGH! like Roddy McDowell? shoot! Darn It!

BTW, Elaine Young leased the house to Sharon and Roman where Sharon was murdered.

by Anonymousreply 14305/30/2013

"Do you think Damon got an erection when he was fucking Douglas in that scene? If I was grinding up against another guy like that, I think I would get hard. They were really going after it. He was fucking the shit out of Douglas' mussy."

I wouldn't. I would not be attracted to Douglas, and no amount of simulated grinding is gonna overcome that fact. I don't get erections over people who are not attractive to me.

by Anonymousreply 14405/30/2013

You don't have much of an imagination, r144. You are pretty limited.

by Anonymousreply 14505/30/2013

I imagine Lowe played the man the way Soderberg wanted him played. I get so sick of you anti-actors. You simply have to criticize every performance and almost every actor. It's ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 14605/30/2013

When Douglas was younger he was very handsome. They play the reruns now and then of The Streets of San Fransisco,wow! how he has changed.

BTW, my sister's long time friend since they were kids, her much older sister dated him many moons ago and she said he was a lot of fun.

by Anonymousreply 14705/30/2013

Rob Lowe was fantastic. Everybody gave great performances.

by Anonymousreply 14805/30/2013

Finally watched this and I just don't understand why Scott didn't keep his house. It was in his name and worth more than the money and gifts Lee was willing to give him in return for the house. Was it not fully paid off? That was strange to me.

I thought I would hate the film, but I loved it. Two fucked up people trying to find love while drowning in fur and kitsch.

I have to say, as someone who grew up in a similar situation as Scott did, I get how enticing that it must have been when Lee offered to always take care of him in a daddy sort of way, even though it was all kinds of fucked up. When you grow up in the system it's like you never take a breath, always on edge. And then someone says "I will love you no matter what" and fuck. It's intense. All logic leaves. You never even realized how powerful those words are until uttered.

by Anonymousreply 14905/31/2013

Rob Lowe was good in the film but his character was the one who was very far removed from the real life character. He acted and looked differently in real life.In essence there were a lot of liberties taken with his character.

by Anonymousreply 15005/31/2013

The watermelon diet kills.

by Anonymousreply 15105/31/2013

well put R149:

Two fucked up people trying to find love while drowning in fur and kitsch.

This should be the Movie's Tag line.

by Anonymousreply 15205/31/2013

[quote] You've grown up with gay = bad and nothing will make you change your mind.

Oh for christ's sake. It's only a mooooovie, Ingrid.

by Anonymousreply 15305/31/2013

I've never liked Lowe, a marginally talented beauty queen who is rumored to be a Repug, and agree he went over the top, but luckily he wasn't in it enough to ruin it.

by Anonymousreply 15405/31/2013

[quote]I have noticed on Ebay a lot of Liberace stuff is selling really well just recently. I guess the movie had some influence? interesting.

There's a good bit of stuff up right now -- jewelry, clothes, shoes, and lots of autographs.

by Anonymousreply 15505/31/2013

Where do the Rob Lowe is a Republican rumors come from? This is the first I've heard of it.

by Anonymousreply 15605/31/2013

Wasn't his infamous video taped when he was at the Democratic National Convention in Atlanta?

by Anonymousreply 15705/31/2013

I missed it, but I saw a clip last night on Graham Norton with Rob Lowe as a frighteningly overdone and ridiculously fey plastic surgeon checking Matt's facial bone structure.

I found that short clip ludicrously over-acted and offensive.

by Anonymousreply 15805/31/2013

Yes. That's why I'm puzzled by the rumor. In his autobiography he is very complimentary toward Martin Sheen, who is as liberal as they come. Yes, he's a Catholic, but pretty lefty.

by Anonymousreply 15905/31/2013

VotN, that's correct. There was just a thread that contained the video. Very grainy but you definitely could make out that it was Rob amd he had a nice full bush :)...

by Anonymousreply 16005/31/2013

Co the rumors be from the character he played in Brothers and Sisters?

by Anonymousreply 16105/31/2013

About Lowe's OTT performance. I think his character was a commentary on the lifestyle and milieu Liberace embraced. The surgeon's odd responses, outlandish looks, and use of drugs didn't turn a hair. He was pandering to Liberace's and later Scott's needs and that's all that registered. He never said no.

by Anonymousreply 16205/31/2013

[quote]Finally watched this and I just don't understand why Scott didn't keep his house. It was in his name and worth more than the money and gifts Lee was willing to give him in return for the house. Was it not fully paid off? That was strange to me.

That's one of the great mysteries. Lee was a very wealthy man and would have paid cash for Scott's penthouse. There was no mortgage on that place. Scott signed over a million $$ penthouse, all of the expensive furnishings AND 3 luxury cars, in return for $75k in cash. He should have fired his lawyer on the spot for suggesting he take that deal. It's not like he couldn't make do until he sold the place. He should have been stashing away money all those years instead of blowing it all on drugs. There's no excuse why he didn't have had at least $100k cash sitting in a bank account somewhere, in addition to the penthouse.

by Anonymousreply 16305/31/2013

Because he was early 20;s. When a guy is telling you 'I want to adopt you, I will take care of you, here is a 100K fur..." you tend to believe those things.

by Anonymousreply 16405/31/2013

The Hill‘s new ITK Columnist Judy Kurtz broke the news Friday that there will soon be a new, provocative intern on Capitol Hill. It’s Matthew Lowe, the 17-year-old son of actor Rob Lowe.

Matthew will intern for House Maj. Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.).

by Anonymousreply 16605/31/2013

Isn't Cantor a closeted queen? Perhaps Papa Lowe should buy an anal chastity belt for his kid!

by Anonymousreply 16705/31/2013

[quote]Matthew Lowe, the 17-year-old son of actor Rob Lowe.

Boy, he sure didn't get his father's looks, did he?

by Anonymousreply 16805/31/2013

I agree that rob lowe was the weakest link. The point was made that Liberace lived in an alt universe to have a dr like that. But even so, lowe was annoying. He distracted from his scenes because I was trying to figure out what his deal was.

Didnt like Liberace's mom either, whoever that actress is that yall were excited about in the last thread. Could not understand a word she was saying.

But overall, v good movie. Way exceeded my expectations. I loved the camera work in the early bar scene where Scott met that guy who went on to introduce him to Liberace.

I guess that adoption never happened? It should've, they probably both would've been better off.

by Anonymousreply 16906/01/2013

[quote]But even so, lowe was annoying. He distracted from his scenes because I was trying to figure out what his deal was.

You were trying "figure out what his deal was"??? What was there to figure out, Mary? He was a typical 70s Hollywood face butcher. Just another bizarre courtier in Liberace's elaborate court played masterfully. He's one of the big takeaways from the film for most viewers. Why be contrarian just because?

by Anonymousreply 17006/01/2013

I know it's been said several times throughout the first thread but I really loved the atmospheric direction and cinematography of the movie. I really felt like I was teleported back to that time and place.

by Anonymousreply 17106/01/2013

Rob Lowe's son got Sue Bob White's good looks. Or was it the other one?

by Anonymousreply 17206/01/2013

Mintrel loves me rhinestones and feathers!

by Anonymousreply 17406/01/2013

R173 is a party pooper booper!

by Anonymousreply 17506/01/2013

Oh please, gone are the days when gays did not get enough positive exposure in the media. We can have all kinds of gays on TV now, and not have to play the minstrel card.

So yes --- minstrel shminstrel

by Anonymousreply 17606/01/2013

[quote]Rob Lowe's son got Sue Bob White's good looks. Or was it the other one?

Yes, because God forbid he got his dad's hideous looks? He looks plenty like his pretty boy dad if you ask me.

by Anonymousreply 17706/01/2013

No surprise there Liberace was a chickenhawk. I agree that closet queen Damon looks way too young.

by Anonymousreply 17806/01/2013

For those of you ladies wanting to know what became of Libbie's last boy toy, whom I believe is the one he bedded towards the end of the film.... Here is an ebay listing with a sad story.

by Anonymousreply 17906/01/2013

I agree with you R173 it's annoying how most of the time when there are gay men on TV or in movies they're stereotypical queens. Secondly Matt Damon is not hetero at all but that's old info.

by Anonymousreply 18006/01/2013

[quote] I agree that closet queen Damon looks way too young.

Matt Damon is gay??? I have a difficult time believing that.

by Anonymousreply 18106/01/2013

R180 Who did Matty D hook up with? Male wise that is.

R179 That is so sad. Liberace looks like such an old queen next to Cary. I wonder if there will be another Lib movie documenting the rest of Lib's life. HBO could do it after the success of this movie.

by Anonymousreply 18206/01/2013

I think HBO should do a movie about Allan Carr next. Talk about sordid and over-the-top. And there would be tons of male nudity.

by Anonymousreply 18306/01/2013

R182 Ben A.

by Anonymousreply 18406/01/2013

[quote]I think HBO should do a movie about Allan Carr next.

They can repurpose the caftans Bette is currently wearing on Broadway as Sue Mengers.

by Anonymousreply 18506/01/2013

^ Speaking of which - a Continental Baths movie or miniseries could be fun.

by Anonymousreply 18606/01/2013

[quote] gone are the days when gays did not get enough positive exposure in the media.

Yeah I know you DL geezers consider Will and Jack to be the ultimate gay characters on tv.

List all of these wonderful shows currently on American tv with positive gay role models in them:


by Anonymousreply 18706/01/2013

R183 Alan Carr is a nobody unlike Liberace who was well known. Lib had such a fabulous persona as well, Alan Carr didn't.I saw him in NYC once and he looked like a dentist that had lost his way in Manhattan.

by Anonymousreply 18806/01/2013

[quote]Speaking of which - a Continental Baths movie or miniseries could be fun.

Wasn't that called "The Ritz"?

by Anonymousreply 18906/01/2013

So the ebay seller states that Cary James died in 2005. Meanwhile, the "Where Are They Now" Yahoo article about the fates of the Liberace Players (posted a few pages or threads ago)puts his year of death at 1997.

by Anonymousreply 19006/01/2013

It was requested earlier in this thread, but I didn't see it yet .....

Can someone PLEASE post a link to the first BTC thread ?? Search isn't working right now.


by Anonymousreply 19106/02/2013

Aha ... got it !! Thank you 'Wit & Wisdom'

by Anonymousreply 19206/02/2013

For a great illustration of Lee's popularity back then:

by Anonymousreply 19306/02/2013

" whom I believe is the one he bedded towards the end of the film"

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 19406/02/2013

R133 actually seems to think that the buzz about a film around the Liberace persona bodes well for a Larry Kramer down-fest.

Just because they're both homosexual? (I can hardly apply the word gay to Kramer -- way too festive.)

by Anonymousreply 19506/02/2013

There were five of us watching it. When it was over, I said it was awful, the guy next to me said it was great, the guy on my other side said it was bad, so it was either a love it or hate it type of film.

I wish the director hadn't used the 70s grainy film, like in Boogie Nights. And I'm glad Douglas talked them out of masturbating his prosthetic penis. Yuck. It was supposed to happen in the video booths, but he convinced them to cut to other "things." Soderbergh has a thing for exposing massive prosthetics on film.

If it had been produced by Ross Hunter (RIP?), it would've been much more lush. Kitsch was so much a part of his life, I wish they would've lit it up better.

by Anonymousreply 19606/02/2013

What do you think these two talked about?

by Anonymousreply 19706/02/2013

R197 There was a photo at the Liberace Museum of a Vegas marquee with Babs getting second billing to Liberace. (Her name was in much smaller letters below his.)

by Anonymousreply 19806/02/2013

Liberace had Barbra in his Vegas act before she landed "Funny Girl."

by Anonymousreply 19906/02/2013

[quote] "You're such a booper, a party pooper booper"

Actually, it's Boober. That was Lee's nickname for him, according to Scott's book.

by Anonymousreply 20006/02/2013

Streisand always spoke very positively of Liberace. And he adored her. I'm sure she was entertained by all the gay shenanigans that were going on his dressing room.

by Anonymousreply 20106/02/2013

How soon in the movie was Matt's ass shown?

Because I watched all but the first five minutes and completely missed his ass.

by Anonymousreply 20206/02/2013

[quote] And I'm glad Douglas talked them out of masturbating his prosthetic penis.

Wait.. WHAT?!

by Anonymousreply 20306/02/2013

Say what you want about Liberace's early looks, he still couldn't help being the least attractive male in r193's clip.

Who are those gorgeous male panelists?

What's My Fine Line indeed...

by Anonymousreply 20406/02/2013

R202, he shows his ass a few times throughout the movie. You missed more than the first 5 minutes.

by Anonymousreply 20506/02/2013

Liberace's Ex-Lover Bailed Out of Jail ... By Bunny Ranch Owner

Scott Thorson -- Liberace's former lover who was just portrayed by Matt Damon -- has been bailed out of jail by Dennis Hof, the owner of the Bunny Ranch brothel ... TMZ has learned.

Thorson's life with Liberace is the subject of HBO's "Behind the Candelabra" -- but not covered in the movie is the fact Thorson has been sitting behind bars in Reno since February 22 ... waiting to be sentenced on burglary and identity theft charges.

Thorson pled guilty last month after getting busted for using stolen credit cards. Attorney David Houston is representing him at sentencing in July.

Hoff tells TMZ he decided to help because he felt Thorson -- who has stage II colon cancer -- was not getting proper treatment in jail.

Hoff says he will put Thorson up at the Bunny Ranch until his sentencing, and make sure he receives his treatments. For cancer ... not the typical ranch treatments.

by Anonymousreply 20606/02/2013

R185 I am going to pitch a show sort of like Touched by an Angel but with the ghosts of Sue Mengers and Alan Carr. They will help people discover their inner fabulousness as they solve murders and fight crime.

by Anonymousreply 20706/02/2013

Please describe the Damon Butt. Thank you.

by Anonymousreply 20806/02/2013

[quote]I am going to pitch a show sort of like Touched by an Angel but with the ghosts of Sue Mengers and Alan Carr.

If it's about Allan Carr, you'll have to change the title to "INAPPROPRIATELY Touched by an Angel."

by Anonymousreply 20906/02/2013

Rob Lowe was the weakest link. His performance was over the top and didn't really belong.

by Anonymousreply 21006/02/2013

R200, Michael Douglas clearly said "You're such a BOOPER. A party pooper BOOPER."

You may be right about the pet name he also gave to Scott, boober...but in this case he was actually teasing him for being too prudish.

by Anonymousreply 21106/03/2013

So now Michael Douglas, while promoting his gay ass Liberace movie, is saying he contracted throat cancer from eating pussy. He slurped up hpv from some random trick. This is so absurd, I love it. I didn't know Michael had these stunt queen tendencies.

by Anonymousreply 21206/04/2013

By Tyler Coates on Jun 4, 2013 2:06pmt [Hollywood Didn’t Think ‘Behind the Candleabra’ Was “Too Gay” — It Just Didn’t Care About Liberace]

I was dubious when I heard (for the first of many times) that Steven Soderbergh’s Liberace biopic Behind the Candelabra couldn’t find studio backing because the subject matter was “too gay.” Sure, there aren’t too many “gay” movies these days (and, if they do have gay characters, they’re typically played by straight actors), but with the critical success of films like Brokeback Mountain and Milk, the idea that Behind the Candelabra was too explicit for movie theaters seemed more like Soderbergh calling out Hollywood homophobia for a movie that simply didn’t interest studio heads. It turns out Hollywood executives are also calling bullshit on Soderbergh’s claims.

When Mother Jones writer Asawin Suebsaeng quoted Soderbergh’s claims that the movie was “too gay” to get a theatrical release in his review of the HBO film, at least one Warner Bros. representative — Mark Fritz, a director of theatrical sales and distribution — responded on Twitter that the allegations were false.

@motherjones @hbo Sorry, but it is completely untrue that this film was deemed “too gay” by Hollywood.

— Mark Fritz (@MarkAndrewFritz) May 28, 2013

Soderbergh, of course, gave more background to Mother Jones that seemingly downplays his original cries of homophobia:

In Soderbergh’s view, the reason you can’t see Behind the Candelabra in American theaters has as much to do with financially — though not politically — conservative executives as it does with the palate of the American movie-going public. “It’s all economics,” he says. “The point I was trying to make was not that anyone in Hollywood is anti-gay. It was that economic forces make it difficult, if not impossible, for people to think outside of the box…If audiences were going in great numbers to see stuff that was not down the middle, then everyone would be doing that…[Hollywood is] merely responding to what people are telling them they want to see!”

That is a completely different take than Soderbergh originally gave. In this most recent account to Mother Jones, it sounds like the film was simply passed around Hollywood and didn’t find a home. Back in January of this year, Soderbergh told The Wrap in a very clear message the reason why the film couldn’t find its $5 million funding: “They said it was too gay. Everybody. This was after Brokeback Mountain, by the way. Which is not as funny as this movie. I was stunned. It made no sense to any of us.”

That is, of course, part of the buzzy marketing campaign behind the movie’s premiere on HBO: here is a film that was considered too hot for theaters! And now it’s on a cable network! Can you believe it?

Well, can I? Not really. The movie, at the end of the day, wasn’t very gay. It featured two fairly tame sex scenes between its male leads (they were about as graphic as what we saw in Brokeback Mountain). Is it more likely that movie studios didn’t want to fund a movie about Liberace? Probably! There aren’t many desirable demographics, after all, familiar enough with Liberace, who at his most successful — over half a century ago — was still a schlocky entertainer who appealed to older women. Even the star power involved (both Damon and Douglas, as well as Soderbergh), it seems, wasn’t enough to fund the production, not because it was “too gay” but because Liberace isn’t exactly someone a lot of moviegoers are talking about these days. (William Friedkin, who directed two of the gayest films in the last 50 years, made a similar comment in my interview with him last week: “I imagine it was disappointing to Soderbergh to not have the film in theaters, but he said, and I quote, ‘No studio would release it because it’s too gay.’ I find that weird. I think that people are so past that now… I very much admire Soderbergh, but when you hear stuff like that, it discounts the quality of the piece itself, which may be a reason why distributors didn’t want to touch it — not because it’s too gay.”)

It’s speculative to say whether or not the film would have been as successful in theaters as it was on television — it was the most-watched HBO film ever, pulling in 2.1 million viewers. Is it unlikely that the film wouldn’t have made much money if it received a theatrical release? That’s speculative. But let’s compare it to the two most recent major gay-themed films: Brokeback Mountain earned $83 million in North American during its theatrical run, while Milk earned $1.4 million on its opening weekend in just 36 theaters. Both of those films had much higher budgets. Is it possible that, years later, executives really believe Behind the Candelabra’s gay subject matter too risky, or is it that Liberace was not seen as a big enough box-office draw? I’m guessing it’s more of the latter.

But what’s really more alarming is Soderbergh’s assertion that Hollywood is homophobic — that is, until after the film premiered on HBO. It’s only now that it’s being seen as a success that he’s changing his tune a bit. The major studios certainly aren’t in the business of making films for niche audiences just for the fun of it, and there are major problems with gay-themed films put out by major studios. But perhaps Soderbergh shouldn’t create a gay outrage over the fact that his “final” film didn’t get the studio reception he had hoped for. After all, his last two theatrical releases featured gay elements (the erotic thriller Side Effects, which featured a lesbian sex scene, is a more specific example; there’s also the gently homoerotic Magic Mike). More than anything, Soderbergh’s “too gay” comments seem like a case of a straight man co-opting the personal struggles of others as a marketing tactic.

by Anonymousreply 21306/04/2013

I agree that Rob Lowe's performance has been hugely overrated. His physical appearance is amusing but I enjoyed that look the first time when it was Johnny Depp's as Willie Wonka in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

by Anonymousreply 21406/05/2013

I knew that you people would eventually come around around Damon's posterior. His butt is now and has always been magnificent, sensational, terrific. It is the butt that is the standard for all butts.

Matt Damon's butt is thee sweetest stuff.

by Anonymousreply 21506/06/2013

r179, weird descriptio with that ebay listing, like the person is determined to say he and Cary died of AIDS

by Anonymousreply 21606/06/2013

This is getting a theatrical release in the UK, out today.

I'm so pleased they did this and hope more HBO TV movies get released this way, I never catch any TV stuff and things like this are always shunted to some buttfuck satellite subscription channel. I definitely would've went to see Game Change.

by Anonymousreply 21706/07/2013

On the cover of The National Enquirer this week, it says that Liberace had two of his former gay lovers murdered. I'd like to know the details of that.

by Anonymousreply 21806/07/2013

218...I browsed it. It says he 'deliberately infected them with AIDS'. Homophobic bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 21906/09/2013

Randy Harrison was about 22 or 23 when he played a gay teenager. The audience didn't faint. They could have cast a young-looking 22 or 23 year old.

by Anonymousreply 22106/10/2013

"On the cover of The National Enquirer this week, it says that Liberace had two of his former gay lovers murdered. I'd like to know the details of that."

This info is coming from Scott Thorson who is NOT the most reliable source (haven't they learned that by now?)

by Anonymousreply 22206/10/2013

Pics please

by Anonymousreply 22306/11/2013

Is Matt Damon acting at all in this movie or just reciting lines? This guy seems the same in every movie he's in. I'm watching yet again on HBO and I can't decide if Matt's performance is subtle or just non-existent.

by Anonymousreply 22406/12/2013

Tyler Coates is full of shit. Hollywood is incredibly homophobic. To say that a lesbian sex scene shows otherwise shows you how much coates knows about straight guys and homophobia.

by Anonymousreply 22506/13/2013

[quote]Is Matt Damon acting at all in this movie or just reciting lines?

I actually thought he was quite good. Very subtle when needed and rage filled and emotional at other times.

by Anonymousreply 22606/13/2013

I had never found Matt Damon that hot before, but that scene 215 provides a still of where he as Scott Thorson walks up to Liberace sitting on the lounge chair by the pool and straddles him and kisses him was one of the hottest things I've ever seen.

I just saw the film last night. Damon was terrific, but I really think the Emmy should go to Michael Douglas. I had no idea a part like this was in his range: he was able to make Liberace seem like the most likable and sweet man in the world, but also switch to coldness when the occasion warranted. You got the sense that Liberace was basically a very sweet man but that his shallowness and his fear of losing his wealth and fame made him behave despicably to people sometimes.

I was hugely impressed with the supporting actors. Cheyenne Jackson's scene sourly and silently mouthing everything Liberace was saying to Thorson was very funny, and Dan Ackroyd and Rob Lowe were terrific. I had no idea that Liberace's mother was Debbie Reynolds until afterward--she was completely unrecognizable and completely believable.

by Anonymousreply 22706/14/2013

Anyone else remember a mid 80's episode of Donohue that featured Liberace? I was but a child but I shall remember some parts forever. Someone (Donohue or an audience member) commented on Liberace's strangely stretched face and how he managed to stay so very young. He stated that he had fallen asleep under a heat lamp and had woken up with skin like a baby. He feigned shock and obvious delight with this turn of events. I knew even then as an almost hillbilly child that something was very wrong (or right, as the case may be).

by Anonymousreply 22806/14/2013

As to his boyfriends looking beefy and corn-fed, didn't he say his first time was with a Green Bay Packer? Then I guess he stuck with that type.

I've noticed a lot of people seem to stick to a type similar to their earliest experiences.

by Anonymousreply 22906/14/2013

Linda Dano is interviewed in this week's Soap Opera Digest and she says the film portrays just one side of Liberace and she was deeply disappointed.

by Anonymousreply 23006/14/2013

Rob Lowe Was Michael Jackson's Doppelgänger In This Film

by Anonymousreply 23106/14/2013

Saw it on the big screen in London. Enjoyable certainly, if a bit overlong.

I've never warmed to Douglas, but he did a good job. I'd have liked more exuberance in the earlier scenes. MD made it seem as though Lee's pizazz was already waning, not that his crowd minded.

Damon's work was great. I too loved the scene on the sofa, with relaxed Lee musing about his shtick, and Scott lapping it up. But even that was interrupted by the manager talking business, then Lee's fit about his face on Carson. Nice writing.

Lowe just about worked as the personification of Lee's outlandish will. The surgery scenes amplified this. So, plenty to take away - the role of Bob Black is intriguing - and I'll see it again.

by Anonymousreply 23206/15/2013

[quote]Linda Dano is interviewed in this week's Soap Opera Digest and she says the film portrays just one side of Liberace and she was deeply disappointed.

"Behind the Candelabra" is not a biopic on the life of Liberace. It's a book written by one of his lovers about his experiences with the flamboyant star. When will some idiots get this in their heads? And why do we have to care what some second-rate soap star thinks about an HBO show?

by Anonymousreply 23306/15/2013

Linda Dano is an expert on Liberace because he was on Another World and everyone knows you get to know every facet of someone's personal life when they have 20 lines on a daytime soap with you. Oh and I think she had dinner a few times with him.

Let her write a book, "The LEE i knew for 20 mins"

by Anonymousreply 23406/15/2013

R234 Your cuntiness is well appreciated! Bravo,good call on the Dano situation.

by Anonymousreply 23506/15/2013

r111 I disagree with he first paragraph. He HAD to lie about being gay in the 50's since it was a crime then(even in the UK where the libel case was). If he turned around decades later and admitted to being gay I doubt people would call him a liar and hypocrite for it.

by Anonymousreply 23606/15/2013

r9 lol

by Anonymousreply 23706/15/2013

Scott is now saying in interviews that he was 16 when he met Lee, not 17....

by Anonymousreply 23806/15/2013

DVD release is September 17. Pre-order for a perfect post-9/11 gift.

by Anonymousreply 23906/27/2013

Your post is impossibly cryptic AND creepy. Bravo, r239.

by Anonymousreply 24006/27/2013

Scott Thorson interview with Howard Stern

by Anonymousreply 24107/06/2013

Running now on HBO, and I'm finding it rather disappointing - and I think Matt Damon is bringing it down. How could Liberace fall for such a sourpuss, someone who frowns and everything and who refuses to enjoy a single moment?

Not to mention, a film centered around someone so glum and disapproving isn't much fun to watch.

by Anonymousreply 24210/03/2013

But what about his ass, R242?

by Anonymousreply 24310/04/2013

I re-watched it tonight, and I couldn't help thinking that Damon looks very feminine, especially before the plastic surgery. Does anyone agree?

by Anonymousreply 24410/09/2013

Damon ass in speedo.

by Anonymousreply 24510/16/2013

Watched it last night on HBO Go. Good for a tv movie, but thats about it. Really overpraised, I suspect, due to the new media frame of reference that HBO is leading a golden age of television. Not that great.

by Anonymousreply 24611/17/2013

is it coming to dvd?

by Anonymousreply 24711/20/2013

I just saw it streaming. If I had been Scott Thorson, I would have bludgeoned him to death with a piece of tacky bric a brac in the 1st ten minutes

by Anonymousreply 24812/04/2013

Comcast screwed me over (again!) so they just gave me three months of free HBO to make up for it. The first thing I watched last night was this movie.

I thought it was great, and Michael Douglas was totally believable as Liberace. I was born in the 60's and remember Liberace being everywhere on TV. I have a hard time accepting that no one thought he was gay, but back then people really didn't discuss that topic at all. (I remember people gossiping about Jim Nabors though, but in my mind it was unbelievable that anyone would want to have sex with Gomer Pyle.)

The performances, the costumes, all of it seemed exactly like what was presented by Liberace at the time.

To me the most shocking part of the movie was when the coroner (or whoever) didn't accept the reported cause of death and used tissue to verify that he died of AIDS. It is shocking to me now that they did that, and made it all public info. I sort of remember that story coming out, but America had just gone through the Rock Hudson saga so it wasn't quite as shocking.

Not shocking to me, anyway, but I was just a kid. I had a subscription to Rolling Stone so I think I was more worldly than my parents at that point. I also didn't see what was so shocking about the Damon-Douglas sex scenes in the movie. By then I had accepted their relationship and stopped thinking about them as Matt and Micheal...they were Scott and Lee to me.

I also loved Cheyenne Jackson, and was totally freaked out by Rob Lowe. How did they make him look like that?

I remember Howard Stern seeing the movie and saying it was a hatchet job on Liberace, and that he couldn't defend himself, but I disagree. As a rich famous person, people used Liberace all the time, and he used them right back. There are plenty of comparisons we can make to straight male stars. If you've ever tried to live with and love a drug addict you can totally understand Scott Thorson getting the boot for being high all of the time.

Liberace traded in that 40 for two 20's. Straight men do it all the time.

(He shouldn't have been bareback with HIV, but that is another story I guess.)

(And maybe Howard Stern is scared thinking about the Tell All books that will come out after he is gone....)

by Anonymousreply 24912/11/2013

Ooooohhhhh straight men playing gay men! They are sooooo brave and talented! They were soooo believable! So fabulous that straight men could do such an incredible job as gay!

by Anonymousreply 25012/11/2013
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