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Arrested Development season 4 on Netflix

I can't wait...

by Anonymousreply 22611/08/2013

The way this show is being hyped you'd think Jesus Christ was going to make his Second Coming on it.

by Anonymousreply 105/26/2013

Watching the IFC marathon now!

"LOOK WHAT THE HOMOSEXUALS HAVE DONE TO ME KNOW"???!??

"You can't just blow that out and reset it"???!!

by Anonymousreply 205/26/2013

No where near as exciting as AD on Netflix, R1.

by Anonymousreply 305/26/2013

I thought it was today. I keep refreshing and come up with nothing. I need to laugh NOW....

by Anonymousreply 405/26/2013

Probably at 3am when Cali hits midnight, R4 (just guessing).

by Anonymousreply 505/26/2013

Its on now. Only a few minutes in Kristen Wig and Seth Rogen as young mama and daddy Bluth AND Liza...

by Anonymousreply 605/26/2013

Oh dear. Two episodes in and I've laughed maybe twice.

by Anonymousreply 705/26/2013

More, r7 (but spoiler free please)

by Anonymousreply 805/26/2013

1st episode was ok 2nd truly bad. Each episode is a catch up to one character. Third belongs to Portia....

by Anonymousreply 905/26/2013

I'm finding it hard to follow and I've watched the full series twice.

by Anonymousreply 1005/26/2013

It's not out for torrent download yet. Hanging out for it in Australia.

by Anonymousreply 1105/26/2013

Someone told too skinny Portia 'what do you weigh? 90 lbs?' Ouch...

by Anonymousreply 1205/26/2013

Can't believe there's a whole subplot spoofing the "Jessica Chastain is Ron Howard's illegitimate daughter" rumor. Datalounge is the only place I ever heard that rumor.

by Anonymousreply 1305/26/2013

Watched a few episodes when they were posted after midnight. Is it just me or does it seem like the writing is off/different? Admittedly, I haven't watched the previous episodes in years, but I don't remember Michael being that ridiculous and annoying and I don't remember George Sr. being portrayed as a dumb idiot before.

I kind of found the first two episodes hard to watch and I'm so far, a little disappointed.

by Anonymousreply 1505/26/2013

This is really disappointing. Not a single laugh-out-loud moment in the first two episodes.

Nice to see John Slattery and Mary Lynn Rajskub.

by Anonymousreply 1605/26/2013

Love Mary Lynn Rajskub - recalls the Larry Sanders Show.

I think the DL influenced a particular subplot...lol.

by Anonymousreply 1705/26/2013

I haven't watched yet because I was thinking there might be problems on Netflix with the higher traffic.

So no problems then?

by Anonymousreply 1805/26/2013

On episode 9 and LOVING it. Each episode gets better and better. It took me just a few episodes to get into the groove (and them too, I guess), but holy shit this is still the best show on TV ... or whatever we can call it now.

by Anonymousreply 1905/26/2013

We're watching now.

by Anonymousreply 2005/26/2013

There's too much voiceover.

by Anonymousreply 2205/26/2013

R21: It does look like Portia has had A LOT of work.

by Anonymousreply 2305/26/2013

It's the diamond cream with real FUCKING diamonds!

by Anonymousreply 2405/26/2013

I've seen the older episodes so many times and yet I still can't stop watching the current marathon on IFC long enough to watch the new ones.

by Anonymousreply 2505/26/2013

I hope you're right r9. Two episodes in and I'm really disappointed. Like others have said, it hard to follow and real laughs are scarce. I don't like one character centered episodes.

by Anonymousreply 2605/26/2013

r26: it gets better!

by Anonymousreply 2705/26/2013

The first couple of episodes are heavy on exposition and narration, but it does get way better. I'm watching classic Arrest Development right now.

They did a great job with this.

by Anonymousreply 2805/26/2013

"No, I meant I'm glad to be out of that hot box in the desert."

by Anonymousreply 2905/26/2013

When does it get better? I'm on episode 5 and think it's still awful.

by Anonymousreply 3005/26/2013

I'm here to see my little girl and get my rocks off.

by Anonymousreply 3105/26/2013

I just finished episode 10. I think it picked up right at episode 6. I can't say the season is knee-slappingly funny, but I'm blown away by the complexity of the story as it keeps getting bigger and bigger and folding back on itself constantly. I think it might be some of the cleverest TV writing seen in some time.

by Anonymousreply 3205/26/2013

I watched episode one last night, and was going to rewatch it this morning, but now that episode is missing from the season 4 episode list...can we only watch the episodes one time?

by Anonymousreply 3305/26/2013

That would be ridiculous, R33.

What if a couple can't watch a show at the same time? If one gets to watch it, does that mean the other misses out?

by Anonymousreply 3405/26/2013

[quote]this is still the best show on TV ... or whatever we can call it now.

"It's not TV, it's HBO." "No, wait, it's not HBO ... it's NETFLIX!"

by Anonymousreply 3505/26/2013

[quote]What if a couple can't watch a show at the same time? If one gets to watch it, does that mean the other misses out?

You're whining about something that isn't true. The episodes don't "disappear" after you watch them, and you can certainly rewatch them.

by Anonymousreply 3605/26/2013

It's great that with the multiple timelines they can go back and spoof parts of American culture that have happened since the show went of the air

by Anonymousreply 3705/26/2013

R36? Did you miss my first sentence where I pointed out that it's ridiculous for that to be the case? The rest was rhetorical.

by Anonymousreply 3805/26/2013

I'm just guessing that with the lack of activity on this thread, a lot of people are also binge-viewing AD today.

by Anonymousreply 3905/26/2013

George Sr. was always the weakest main character. Why does he get two centric episodes?

by Anonymousreply 4005/26/2013

I'm going to start watching soon. Is Lucille Bluth still FIERCE?

by Anonymousreply 4105/26/2013

" Is Lucille Bluth still FIERCE?"

I don't understand that question and I won't respond to it.

by Anonymousreply 4305/26/2013

"So glad to be out of that sweaty old hot-box"

by Anonymousreply 4405/26/2013

I loved the 2nd Michael-centric episode. Now it seems to be getting good.

by Anonymousreply 4505/26/2013

Episode 6 is where it starts to hit its stride. Up until then it feels way too forced.

If this show doesn't win every Emmy, something is wrong. I'm almost bummed for Louie, but this show is genius.

by Anonymousreply 4605/26/2013

Rebel Hall, like Ron Howard's other daughters Bryce Dallas and Paige Carlyle, was named for the place she was conceived. LOL

by Anonymousreply 4705/26/2013

Rebel Alley, I mean!!!

by Anonymousreply 4805/26/2013

"George Sr. was always the weakest main character. Why does he get two centric episodes?"

He was available.

by Anonymousreply 4905/26/2013

George Michael also has multiple episodes devoted to him. There are 15 episodes, so ... do the math. Though they all appear in each others' episodes.

It looks like I'm watching them all today. I was going to break it up, but I can't stop watching.

by Anonymousreply 5005/26/2013

I was just about to start watching it and my cable/internet went out.

by Anonymousreply 5105/26/2013

The GOB Entourage episode is pure brilliance. Did anyone else notice the "and Jeremy Piven" sign at the beginning??

by Anonymousreply 5205/26/2013

I just watched the first two eps: Meh.

You mean I have to get through four more before it gets better, R46?

by Anonymousreply 5305/26/2013

Gothic Asshole?

by Anonymousreply 5405/26/2013

LOL@r43!

by Anonymousreply 5505/26/2013

Steve Holt!

by Anonymousreply 5605/26/2013

Steve Holt looks hideous. I love that GOB talked to him for 2 hours and didnt even know it was him.

by Anonymousreply 5705/26/2013

[quote]Steve Holt looks hideous. I love that GOB talked to him for 2 hours and didnt even know it was him.

That didn't make a whole lot of sense, as it happened just after GOB's wedding, which happened not long after the end of the series. Steve shouldn't have looked that different.

by Anonymousreply 5805/26/2013

I'm about halfway through and my review is very mixed... there are places when everything clicks into place and it feels like Arrested Development, but then long stretches where the timing is off and it doesn't feel funny enough. And it's frustrating that there's not enough interaction between the main characters.

The George Sr. storyline isn't amusing at all, and there are two episodes devoted to it of the first five. I was ready to give up after episode 2, though it did get better. The stuff with GOB and Lindsay and Tobias is the best -- GOB's ill-fated wedding has one of the series' funniest sight gags ever.

There is a surprisingly large amount of Liza, and more of Henry Winkler than I was expecting too. So far Michael Cera has had the least amount of screentime, but it looks like the concluding episodes focus on him.

by Anonymousreply 5905/26/2013

I'm on #5, and so far it isn't working for me.

It's always been an ensemble show, and this is like watching the Three Stooges with an episode about Moe, followed by an episode about Larry, then an episode about Curly.

by Anonymousreply 6005/26/2013

And again, does anyone else feel the characters seem off? It's like the writers and actors forgot how the characters were originally presented. Michael was never portrayed as annoying, desperate and dumb and I don't remember George, Sr. ever being portrayed as dumb. That's how those two are coming off to me in Season 4.

by Anonymousreply 6105/26/2013

Wonder if Cera hard to sign thus his consulting producer credit...

by Anonymousreply 6205/26/2013

Wonder if the movie Bateman keeps talking about is THE MOVIE...

by Anonymousreply 6305/26/2013

Cera has a producer's credit because he worked in the writer's room.

by Anonymousreply 6405/26/2013

And who the hell is John Beard fucking that he's in or mentioned in practically every episode? Is he still even on NBC News?

by Anonymousreply 6505/26/2013

I'm enjoying it more and more and the rest of you can go cry in your pie!

by Anonymousreply 6605/26/2013

And speaking of Michael Cera... he's really not aging well at all. It's like his nose keeps protruding and his chin keeps receding. He looked better as a 14 year old than he does at 24.

by Anonymousreply 6705/26/2013

"And she never even saw the license plate" LOL

by Anonymousreply 6805/26/2013

Cera has always been funny looking and he is getting worse as he ages. Maeby has also lost her youthful charm...

I'm up to the episode Lindsey(Portia looks better with her real hair) becomes like her mother. I agree it is getting better...

Georgesr is like Stanley in TGG much better in small doses...

Maybe highlighting one character per episode was because they had to work around Bateman's film career...

by Anonymousreply 6905/26/2013

Episode 9-- Lucille is in fire!!! I'm loving the Debris(?) character!

by Anonymousreply 7005/26/2013

Me too! Debree is awesome!

Tobias: Have you been drinking?!?! Debree: Noooo ... It's pills.

by Anonymousreply 7105/26/2013

It's Debrie AKA Sue Storm, bitches!!!

by Anonymousreply 7205/26/2013

Yeah Michael Cera's looking older than Jason Bateman.

by Anonymousreply 7305/26/2013

r73: Bateman has noticeably aged.

by Anonymousreply 7405/26/2013

Lucille speaking about the Asian Housewives: They come after me and they'll find themselves one UN-fortune-ate cookie!

by Anonymousreply 7505/26/2013

Why name one character Marc Cherry? Because his show DH killed AD in ratings?

by Anonymousreply 7605/26/2013

Whoever asked about Lucille: she's perfection. Her episode, along with her interactions with Lucille 2, are classic AD.

by Anonymousreply 7705/26/2013

R76, Marc Cherry actually played himself on the show in an earlier episode.

by Anonymousreply 7805/26/2013

3 episodes in and it's really awful. I hope it gets better.

by Anonymousreply 7905/26/2013

I'm only watching one episode a day, and then watching it a second time before moving on. I'm hoping to catch some of the foreshadowing.

Episode #1, Buster has only one line: "I keep losing my jewels." Things don't look good for Buster.

by Anonymousreply 8005/26/2013

GOB and George Michael just kissed after GOB sucked GM's pinky.

by Anonymousreply 8105/26/2013

Sally Sitwell is an alpaca!!!

by Anonymousreply 8205/26/2013

5 episodes in...still really bad.

by Anonymousreply 8305/26/2013

GOB has gay sex!!!!

by Anonymousreply 8405/26/2013

I was so confused about anus tart, but then I got to the license plate. Literally laughed out loud for about five minutes.

by Anonymousreply 8505/26/2013

It does get better. I think it will get better with multiple viewings too, like the earlier seasons. Even though it wasn't as laugh out loud funny as the classics I think they did a great job at telling a complex story in an interesting format.

by Anonymousreply 8605/26/2013

ANUSTART is a classic. I'm surprised (no, wait--this is DL so I'm not surprised) that so many of you don't like it. It feels very much like the old Arrested Development episodes to me. I love Judy Greer and Ron Howard.

by Anonymousreply 8705/26/2013

They're the ambiguously gay duo.

I assure you there is nothing ambiguous about me. I'm Johnny Flamer of the Fantastic Four.

by Anonymousreply 8805/26/2013

The first handful of episodes were almost a chore to get through, but the later episodes are some of the best of the series. So yes, it does get a lot better.

But I'm still going to go and rewatch the first episodes again. I think a large pat of my disconnect with them was me getting adjusted to the new style of storytelling the show now has.

They have pretty much destroyed the idea of self-contained episode storylines, which is jarring, but when it all starts coming together is actually pretty awesome.

by Anonymousreply 8905/26/2013

By the time I got the Tobias-centered episode, I was dying from how they synced it up to Lindsay's and her trip to India. I should have known it was Tobias behind her in the plane!

Also, I will never be able to look at those AT&T commercials with the kids the same way again. "I'll show you I'm not gay".

I'll watch E6 after I've watched the Liberace movie, but I'm somewhat surprised by the incredible lack of Gob and Buster. It's disconcerting.

by Anonymousreply 9005/26/2013

I don't know how DL couldn't love this considering the Jessica Chastain reference.

by Anonymousreply 9105/27/2013

Maebe: Please don't squeeze the shaman.

Ok I LOLed

by Anonymousreply 9205/27/2013

I think most of us after a few episodes the show is great

by Anonymousreply 9305/27/2013

I started to get used to Portia's new face after she cut her hair. It's really cute when it's short like that.

by Anonymousreply 9405/27/2013

The Maebe episode is some funny shit! "Thank you Kirk Cameron for that very bible-y introduction."

by Anonymousreply 9505/27/2013

[quote]The first handful of episodes were almost a chore to get through, but the later episodes are some of the best of the series. So yes, it does get a lot better.

But I'm still going to go and rewatch the first episodes again. I think a large pat of my disconnect with them was me getting adjusted to the new style of storytelling the show now has.

I'm glad I hung in because after the first four or five episodes I was ready to give up. I wonder how the show would've been structured had Hurwitz had been able to get everyone's schedules to line up (the CGI is really obvious in the trial scene between Lucille and Lucille 2. I think a number of Tony Wonder scenes were CGI. Less noticeable are the Barry Zuckercorn scenes).

by Anonymousreply 9605/27/2013

I'm only to episode five, but there are serious problems with the ensemble not being together. It's obvious the writers tried to find ways to get around the actor's availability. It was always an ensemble show.

There are still some moments, but it's lost its groove. Obviously that was going to happen after seven years. Not sure why this had to be revived if this is the result.

The green screening of actors into other's scenes is actually offensive to me. I'm kind of shocked by it. It really throws off everything.

Lucille is still fabulous, and her smoking scene was brilliant.

by Anonymousreply 9705/27/2013

"You look as swishy as Ryan Seacrest"

"Ryan Seacrest is Straight"

"And I'm 40"

by Anonymousreply 9805/27/2013

I agree the first five have been a chore to get through. Does it really get better? I'm not sure it's worth the investment for a couple of laughs.

by Anonymousreply 9905/27/2013

Yes, it gets better.

by Anonymousreply 10005/27/2013

I love that Maebe did not recognize Steve Holt, even after his "Steve Holt!".

by Anonymousreply 10105/27/2013

It's worth it, and it will be even better on rewatches. The story keeps looping around on itself, and adds addition information to scenes you've already seen.

by Anonymousreply 10205/27/2013

I guess I’m in the minority or maybe it’s because I love and appreciate seeing these characters again, whether they’re all together or not, but I enjoyed the first two episodes; especially the second George Sr. centric one. The smoking scene between Lucille and Buster gave me a good laugh.

by Anonymousreply 10305/27/2013

I agree even when you are not laughing its good to see the actors/characters again. Unlike Its Always Sunny In you laugh a lot but the show has only awful characters in it...

by Anonymousreply 10405/27/2013

No one mentioned Tommy Tune? What is wrong with you, bitches?

by Anonymousreply 10505/27/2013

It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia is the funniest show on TV.

by Anonymousreply 10605/27/2013

Funny yes. Likeable characters hell no...

by Anonymousreply 10705/27/2013

ARGYLE: You're going to have to work with our new patient, and good luck with her. We call her the B word from the C ward. Or is it the C word from the B ward?

NARRATOR: And then Tobias got some more bad news.

LUCILLE: Hello, anus tart.

NARRATOR: And she'd never even seen the license plate.

by Anonymousreply 10805/27/2013

Most episodes are almost 40 minutes long. That is a hour show on network TV. You just know whoever writes the show reads DL. How can you not love a show that gives a shout out to MST3K?

by Anonymousreply 10905/27/2013

Michael Cera hasn't always been odd looking... I was re-watching seasons one and two and was surprised at how cute and normal looking he was back then, handsome, even. And Alia was equally darling. It's shocking how young they were when the show started, one thing I noticed is how drastically Alia's voice changed.

by Anonymousreply 11005/27/2013

Alia grew up really fast. Unlike Cera who's still an man-boy, she looks like an adult woman now.

Also, GOB turning out to be bisexual-ish was amazing, and kind of cute.

by Anonymousreply 11105/27/2013

Will Arnett is so incredibly hot in that wedding scene. Beyond.

by Anonymousreply 11205/27/2013

The Arnett/Stiller bromance was hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 11305/27/2013

I never thought GOB/ Arnett was kinda hot until I saw this. The scene with him and Ben Stiller was well done...

I hope AD beats the hell out that ABC family sitcom at The Emmys...

The Maeby and GOB episodes are classic...

by Anonymousreply 11405/27/2013

Debris to Liza, Tobias tries to quiet her instead she says 'pills'...

by Anonymousreply 11505/27/2013

Watched the first two episodes.

There was a smugness to them, as if everyone thought they were being far more clever than they were.

I don't remember the show being so stupid.

And the kids sure grew up ugly.

by Anonymousreply 11705/27/2013

Is DeBrie Madge from Mad Men?

by Anonymousreply 11805/27/2013

Alan Tudyk is hot

by Anonymousreply 11905/27/2013

OMG the CG french kiss reenactment.

by Anonymousreply 12005/27/2013

Hey, Buster!

Lucille (screaming): "You're a hot mess"!

Buster (screaming): "You're the hot mess"!!!!

by Anonymousreply 12105/27/2013

The supporting actors are getting a surprising amount of screentime.

The Maeby episode was really good. I'd say it's too bad they waited so long for hers, but there were so many tie-ins from earlier episodes, it made it worth the wait.

by Anonymousreply 12205/27/2013

[quote]I hope AD beats the hell out that ABC family sitcom at The Emmys...[/quote]

Interesting you say that r114, because I realized that Modern Family is the first comedy since Arrested Development's original run that hasn't done an episode yet that doesn't crack me up. I love them both.

by Anonymousreply 12305/27/2013

Maeby's episode was so great. It reminds me why I've always liked her so much.

by Anonymousreply 12405/27/2013

2/3 of the Funke's are now sex offenders lol

by Anonymousreply 12505/27/2013

It all kind of came together... for anyone who didn't want to stick it out past the first 4 or 5 episodes, keep watching.

Interesting cliffhanger. Have they started working on the movie yet, or is it dependent on the success of this season?

by Anonymousreply 12605/27/2013

R108, I literally laughed out loud at that moment.

by Anonymousreply 12705/27/2013

Okay the episodes do get a lot better once you get through the first few. For me, it took until about Episode 7 with the first GOB centric episode. It's probably because it's the first one where more of the characters are brought in.

Although the first few episodes don't work as well because of the change of format (the show works better as an Ensemble), you start to see how everything intertwines together in about episode 6 and it's sort of genius, and makes you appreciate them more for what they are. Just a shame that it takes so long to get you there.

by Anonymousreply 12805/27/2013

[quote]Will Arnett is so incredibly hot in that wedding scene. Beyond.

Will has done it for me ever since Season One when he's on the boat in that black swimsuit with his legs slightly spread.. damn he's fucking hot.

by Anonymousreply 12905/27/2013

GOB on the boat:

by Anonymousreply 13005/27/2013

GOB in flip-flops:

by Anonymousreply 13105/27/2013

This is genius! George Maharis is the name George takes because everyone associates George Michael with his arrests for lewd conduct. He took the name Maharis in part because Maeby kept pronouncing herress with a hard H sound.

Anyway, look at this AND look at the person he was booked with!

by Anonymousreply 13205/27/2013

Buster as a drone pilot? His episode is a scream. I don't want to watch the last episode will be sad when it is over...

I hope Jessica Walters wins an Emmy...

by Anonymousreply 13305/27/2013

Nice catch R132. That guy looks like Chris Traeger.

by Anonymousreply 13405/27/2013

I hate the ending, but I hope that means the movie or season 5 is going to happen. Other than that, it was amazing.

by Anonymousreply 13505/27/2013

Ugh, up to episode 6 and it's another George Sr. epsiode? This is really a slog.

by Anonymousreply 13605/27/2013

I love it from the beginning, but I agree with most everyone else, it really start picking up after episode six.

by Anonymousreply 13705/27/2013

George Michael: I wouldn't put all of my Anns in one basket.

by Anonymousreply 13805/27/2013

Emmys for Jessica Walters, Will Arnett and Alia Shawkat!

by Anonymousreply 13905/27/2013

7 episodes in and I quit. Maybe it gets better, but I can't bear watching them try again and again to be funny and failing. It really is more awful than I ever thought it could be, limp and hacky. What a fucking bummer.

by Anonymousreply 14005/27/2013

I can't get over how bad the hair and makeup is. All the wigs look cheaper than the shit Britney wears on her head and the makeup? Everyone's walking around looking jaundiced.

by Anonymousreply 14105/27/2013

Isla Fisher is Michael's best love interest. Too bad they don't have many scenes. Even though Isla is almost 40 standing next to George Michael and Maeby they look they same age.

by Anonymousreply 14205/27/2013

Buster: Is this one of those nights where nothing is as it seems and there's no cream pie for dessert?

by Anonymousreply 14305/27/2013

Yeah, I think I'm done too r140. It's just not working this time around. Not having the ensemble together is very disappointing. The multiple cameos every five seconds are annoying, and interrupt the flow. The show is not structured in a satisfying way any more. What used to feel smart and sharp now just feels tired and effortful. There are some great lines and a couple of good sight gags, otherwise... Eh.

The media build up and anticipation certainly hasn't helped matters.

by Anonymousreply 14405/27/2013

I have not seen many episodes but I have a question I hope someone can answer. Why is there SO MUCH voiceover narration? It just feels endless, as if someone were reading aloud while you are watching TV. I find it very annoying and it makes it hard for me to stay with the show.

by Anonymousreply 14505/27/2013

It eases up on the narration, which I forgave for necessary exposition but which I also agree was very heavy handed. They even mock it later in the George Michael episodes.

by Anonymousreply 14605/27/2013

It allows them to get away with not filming as much. They were obviously on a tight budget.

by Anonymousreply 14705/27/2013

I think part of the issue is that these characters are better in smaller doses, which is why the shorter, ensemble-oriented episodes of season 1-3 worked so well. I also think the new episodes are suffering from the expanded geography. I liked the narrow world of seasons 1-3: the penthouse, the office, the model home, Wee Britain, the banana stand, etc.

That said, it's still good. I remember feeling a little letdown down by season 2 but found it improved upon re-watching. Hope the same happens with the new episodes.

by Anonymousreply 14805/27/2013

Because Hollywood kisses Ron howard's ass? Because the plot is very complicated?

I didn't really notice too much narration I'm just glad its back.. Bothers me a little it is the one of the greatest ensemble shows of all time and this ISN'T an ensemble. Also Michael was always the heart of the show who held everything together but Jason Bateman was probably filming Identity Theft instead of being the star of season 4. Also bothers me sweet George Michael is no longer so...

Still I'm glad its back and hope for more...

by Anonymousreply 14905/27/2013

The last scene is incredible.

by Anonymousreply 15005/27/2013

The gripes are starting to roll in. After weeks of insane adulation, the Times says that Arrested Development is DOA.

I could have written this article myself.

by Anonymousreply 15105/27/2013

Most of the "reviews" I have read have been written by people too lazy to watch the whole season before writing their article. No wonder they keep saying negative things, if you wrote a review about half the movie, you'd have negative feelings about it too.

This isn't network TV, it's a whole different animal, and it shouldn't be reviewed in the same process as network TV. Season 4 is meant to be one eight hour(ish) whole.

by Anonymousreply 15205/27/2013

Except that we're talking about eight episodes of unexceptional tv, r152. Four plus hours. A lot of shows would have been unceremoniously cancelled before that. The critics and watchers are giving it more of a chance because of its pedigree.

Are you telling me that I'm supposed to watch nine hours of a comedy to its very last scene before it finally becomes funny? That's fucking ridiculous. Who has that kind of time to waste?

The first season of this show was funny right out of the gate, and remained fairly consistently so (with some exceptions) for two more seasons. That's why people wanted more of it in the first place.

The fact is, they restructured how the show functioned because the cast was not available, and the ensemble suffered. The writing has not been nearly as sharp. The actors are uninspired and it shows. It's lost its groove and should have stayed what it was: a fun show to visit in reruns.

So far, Netflix is one for three. House of Cards has been their only success.

by Anonymousreply 15305/27/2013

Hemlock Grove was more watched than House of Cards and Arrested Development is already more watched than both of them.

by Anonymousreply 15405/27/2013

[quote] A lot of shows would have been unceremoniously cancelled before that.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: but it's NOT NORMAL TV. They knew they wouldn't be cancelled halfway through a season, so they did not write to network tv's conventions.

by Anonymousreply 15505/27/2013

[quote]I've said it before, and I'll say it again: but it's NOT NORMAL TV. They knew they wouldn't be cancelled halfway through a season, so they did not write to network tv's conventions.

Yeah, but they should have. You don't resuscitate a cult hit and change its formatting and what made it work, and expect not to get backlash.

by Anonymousreply 15605/27/2013

There's hardly a backlash. Some people like it, some people don't.

by Anonymousreply 15705/27/2013

R150

[quote]There's hardly a backlash.

Really? Have you not been paying attention?

by Anonymousreply 15805/27/2013

Despite the flaws I enjoyed AD AND Hemlock Grove much more than House of Cards. The critics aren't always right...

by Anonymousreply 15905/28/2013

[quote]Really? Have you not been paying attention?

Yes, which is how I know. Like I said, some people like it, some don't. There's no overwhelming consensus in either direction, but if you read the threads on IMDB a slight majority really enjoyed it, though acknowledge the flaws.

by Anonymousreply 16005/28/2013

Yeah the NY Times saying that Netflix killed the series isn't backlash at all.

by Anonymousreply 16105/28/2013

No. It's not. It's one opinion. One opinion does not equal a backlash, especially when the majority are able to recognize that just because something isn't flawless, doesn't mean it's terrible. As more and more people finish the season, you can see the tide turning and more people are enjoying it.

by Anonymousreply 16205/28/2013

[quote]This isn't network TV, it's a whole different animal, and it shouldn't be reviewed in the same process as network TV. Season 4 is meant to be one eight hour(ish) whole.

I don't think this can be over-stated.

by Anonymousreply 16305/28/2013

The NY Times article isn't just one opinion, it's an opinion that is saying the same thing as countless other people have.

Youre completely ignoring the tons of people who have stated they don't like it and who have complained that they're not bothering past 5 episodes. Even in this thread alone, people have said that the way they changed the format sucks.

Are there a lot of people who like it? Yeah. Are there a lot of people who don't? Yup. And that is backlash, like it or not.

by Anonymousreply 16405/28/2013

I just now got George's joke when he meets Oscar at the club and says "I'm going to sit opposite you so it won't look bad." Lol

by Anonymousreply 16505/28/2013

I think the point is that something shouldn't take five hours to get through before it gets enjoyable.

I'm one of the ones that didn't think it picked up until Episode 7. At the end of it, did I enjoy it? It's a toss up. I can certainly appreciate what it did, but I can also say that I think it was executed poorly and they could have developed it better.

Is it as good as the original first three seasons? Not even close. Should they have even bothered releasing it now if they couldn't match the original series or do it the way the original was done? Debatable.

Ultimately, to me, it seems like they just released it because they could and rushed into it to capitalize on an audience wanting the series to come back.

It seems thrown together and sloppy. Not only does the format not line up with the previous seasons, neither do a lot of the characters. Half the actors don't even really seem to be into it.

Like I said, I can appreciate it more now that I've gotten to the end of Season 4... but I can certainly see why people would be frustrated and don't like it and/or couldn't get through the first few episodes. And there are more than a handful who felt that way. I haven't even seen much praise for Season 4, but I've seen a lot of underwhelmed responses to it.

by Anonymousreply 16605/28/2013

Thought the first few episodes were good, not great. But the last handful of episodes, as it starts collapsing in on itself, are brilliant. Payoff after payoff after amazing payoff.

I'm glad they tried something different. They could never have recreated the AD from 2003-2006, partly because the kind of TV that AD created has been imitated to death. They took a step in a new, strange direction. There would have been backlash no matter what.

If it wasn't underappreciated at first, it wouldn't be Arrested Development.

by Anonymousreply 16705/28/2013

"Arrested Development disappointed" is the first search result on Twitter. It autofills to that phrase. People aren't happy.

by Anonymousreply 16805/28/2013

Just watched the last episode and loved it. I have seen the plot of the mother/daughter father/son dating the same person done on every soap opera but how it ended surprised me. I hope the haters don't win and we see more...

GOB told Cera to his face you are not the most handsome guy in the world...

The camera does not love Brian Grazer...

by Anonymousreply 16905/28/2013

I haven't read a single good review. Since they refused to release any episodes to critics, the reviews are now coming in and they are almost uniformly in agreement that the format change has destroyed the show.

Everyone is reluctant to say it, but Arrested Development season 4 SUCKS.

So disappointed.

by Anonymousreply 17005/28/2013

When you rely on reviews to form your opinions, you should be disappointed.

by Anonymousreply 17105/28/2013

I watched six episodes before I read any reviews, but thanks for playing.

by Anonymousreply 17205/28/2013

I don't think it sucks. It's just not as good as the original.

I also agree that you shouldn't have to watch half a series before it all comes together. That's like asking movie-goes to get the DVD with the extras because that explains everything.

by Anonymousreply 17305/28/2013

[bold] Netflix stock sinks on mixed reviews of 'Arrested' [/bold]

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- The hoopla surrounding the return of "Arrested Development" on Netflix's Internet video service has dissolved into a letdown on Wall Street.

Netflix's stock fell more than 6 percent Tuesday as investors reacted to critics' mixed reviews of the first new "Arrested Development" episodes since the Fox broadcast network canceled the series seven years ago.

Netflix Inc. released all 15 episodes of the resurrected "Arrested Development" at the same time early Sunday.

Analysts insist it's still too early to tell whether "Arrested Development" will be a hit or a flop.

Netflix had 29.2 million U.S. subscribers in March. The Los Gatos, Calif., company is hoping positive buzz about "Arrested Development" will help add as many as 880,000 more customers by the end of June.

The stock closed at $214.19, down $14.55.

by Anonymousreply 17405/28/2013

How can this be considered for Emmy? Is Netflix considered television or is this wishful thinking?

by Anonymousreply 17505/28/2013

I just got my Netflix Emmy screener package today. It was a full set of House of Cards on DVD, and a voucher code to watch Arrested Development online for free. Take that as you will.

by Anonymousreply 17605/28/2013

The second Lindsay and Tobias episodes were painfully unfunny. The Lucille episode was the closest to being the old AD, but even that didn't past muster. There are too many new actors and characters as they try to pad out the episodes. The DeBrie character is particularly awful and unwatchable.

Michael Cera hasn't appeared for eight episodes. Why did they even do this?

by Anonymousreply 17705/28/2013

The guest actress playing Debrie deserves a Emmy for that performance.

by Anonymousreply 17805/28/2013

Debrie is fabulous!

by Anonymousreply 17905/28/2013

Ann: How did you like your egg?

GOB: I said you were fine!

by Anonymousreply 18005/28/2013

I didn't realize, until I just started Googling, that Perfecto Telles (the name of Maeby's cutie-pie boyfriend) was a real person who was arrested with the real George Maharis in 1974. I love you, Arrested Development.

by Anonymousreply 18105/28/2013

Yeah, you haters are ridiculous. The Tony Wonder/GOB episode is probably the best of the series. Episodes 8-14 are brilliant. It is a bummer that it takes so long to get going, but it's more than worth it. Maria Bamford is the best guest star and Maeby, Lucille, GOB, and Tobias are all brilliant.

Also House of Cards never went anywhere.

by Anonymousreply 18205/29/2013

[quote]When you rely on reviews to form your opinions, you should be disappointed.

Pretty sure no one said they formed their opinion based on reviews... only that it confirmed that a lot of people don't like the new season.

Reading comprehension should be required before some of you are allowed to post.

by Anonymousreply 18305/29/2013

R183 ... Yawn.

by Anonymousreply 18405/29/2013

[quote]... Yawn.

Just realized that not only are you the one with the poor reading comprehension but you're also the one that didn't initially get the, "I'm going to sit opposite you so it won't look bad" joke.

It all makes sense now.

by Anonymousreply 18505/29/2013

I repeat, Yawn.

I feel bad for those not enjoying the fourth season. I understand it, though. It's a very different format. And this is definitely the WORST season of Arrested Development. But at it's worst, it's still better than most shows on TV ( Louie is better), and I'm still enjoying the hell out of it. Yes, there are a lot of jokes I missed the first time around, but that just adds to the rewatch ability factor that AD has always had.

by Anonymousreply 18605/29/2013

I enjoy it also - the first 2-3 episodes (around George Sr) weren't the best - but the later ones were wonderful and funny.

I just wish they did more scenes were all the family were together - those were the best in the earlier episodes.

Oh and Will Arnett is looking very good!

by Anonymousreply 18705/29/2013

[quote]you're also the one that didn't initially get the, "I'm going to sit opposite you so it won't look bad" joke. It all makes sense now.

hahaha. Truth.

by Anonymousreply 18805/29/2013

R186 is going to turn this into a yawn fest. Just like most of Season 4.

by Anonymousreply 18905/29/2013

[quote]you're also the one that didn't initially get the, "I'm going to sit opposite you so it won't look bad" joke. It all makes sense now.

Well, the really meta stuff tends to fly over my head on first viewing.

by Anonymousreply 19005/29/2013

The episodes get better after Episode 6 because that's when they start integrating more of the cast members, making it more like the original formula of the show.

I agree with others that say you shouldn't have to wait 6 episodes for something to get funny. Most of you wouldn't sit through a 3 hour movie if it sucked for the first hour and a half.

by Anonymousreply 19105/29/2013

r188

ok - i didn't get the joke - please explain for someone that is dense!

by Anonymousreply 19205/29/2013

R193, it's the same actor playing both roles. So he was saying he was going to sit across the table and not next to him so it "wouldn't look bad". If they're next to each other they'd have to superimpose it.

by Anonymousreply 19305/29/2013

I can't express how much I loathed the George Michael episodes. The Buster episode was also pretty terrible. The ending was truly dreadful and tasteless.

I'm going to pretend this disastrous season never happened.

by Anonymousreply 19405/30/2013

The numbers are fantastic, and Netflix is asking for a fifth season. But I think they want to do a movie? Not sure how that will work.

by Anonymousreply 19505/30/2013

I thought the idea was this season would lead up to a movie, which accounts for the cliffhanger. Does anyone know what the deal is with that?

by Anonymousreply 19605/30/2013

I don't think they should do a movie. The rhythm and look of the show are very TV. And people complained these episodes were too long at 28-35 minutes -- how will they feel watching 90-120 minutes in a row?

by Anonymousreply 19705/31/2013

I thought it was kind of odd that Ann was involved but interacted only with GOB and not all with George Michael. Though the stuff about their failed wedding was hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 19805/31/2013

Well, no one knows what the "numbers" are because Netflix doesn't discuss them, and they base their evaluation on whether they sign up new subscribers. Whether those new subscribers will actually stick around after gorging themselves is not foreseeable, and probably unlikely.

What is known is that critically it was a failure, and creatively it has received a lot of blowback. Getting another season together will most likely not happen. The actors could barely be mustered for this go around to the extreme detriment of the ensemble, and no one successful wants to be the subject of such harsh criticism when they don't need to be, considering they were paid nothing.

A movie is more likely, but I still think doubtful, and a very hard sell after the reception of this season. A studio would insist the tone and structure change, and for once I would agree.

by Anonymousreply 19905/31/2013

Loved it - seems to me that Season 4 is pioneering "epic" comedy with its structure and that's just fine with me...

by Anonymousreply 20005/31/2013

[quote]What is known is that critically it was a failure, and creatively it has received a lot of blowback. Getting another season together will most likely not happen.

Wrong. So very wrong. Plus, while recognizing its bit as good, fans are loving this season.

by Anonymousreply 20105/31/2013

People forget that the storytelling of the first 3 seasons of AD on network TV was very different for those times and most people watched the other TV shows.

It took many years for audiences to catch up and enjoy AD. The same will happen with the groundbreaking season 4.

by Anonymousreply 20205/31/2013

I watched Buster episode again last night. The bit with Buster stuffing Lucille's clothes to make a doll and making her "breakfast" was hilarious and incredibly cringe worthy.

by Anonymousreply 20305/31/2013

In the end, I really enjoyed it and am glad they made it.

I actually prefer this season over season 3, which I think was their weakest. I never enjoyed any of the Rita/ Mr. F stuff, or the Iraq subplot.

by Anonymousreply 20405/31/2013

I loved it when Buster thought it was a video game when they made him a drone pilot...

by Anonymousreply 20505/31/2013

I'm guessing Gob is the top and Tony Wonder is the bottom. Yes?

by Anonymousreply 20605/31/2013

Tony Wonder was shaving his legs and wearing toneail polish to play the "bottom half" of the legs in the sawing in half trick, so I think he was indeed the bottom.

by Anonymousreply 20705/31/2013

I finished the season and like others have said, there are some great paybacks for earlier bits. I am thinking in particular about the George Michael living sitation toward the end. I still don't know if that's the best way to structure a TV series but it is what it is. I hope they can do another season and get everyone together this time.

What were your favorite episodes? I liked the Lucille and Buster episodes the best.

by Anonymousreply 20806/01/2013

Lucille, Maeby, Buster, and the 2nd Gob and Tobias episodes were the best.

by Anonymousreply 20906/01/2013

The Maeby, Lucille, Gob , Buster and first George Michael episodes are my favorite.

Did George Michael get Marta pregnant?

"Make me cry!" " You're a terrible mother."

by Anonymousreply 21006/01/2013

"I'm here! I'm queer! And now I'm over here!"

by Anonymousreply 21106/01/2013

R211, I also liked this variation:

"I'm here! I'm queer! And now I'm in a chair!"

by Anonymousreply 21206/01/2013

Not even close to being funny.

by Anonymousreply 21306/02/2013

I know of two friends who binge watched the 4th season.

One friend loved it, the other said he hated it and that it was "boring and confusing".

Out of curiosity I asked each what some of their favorite TV shows were.

The guy who loved it likes: Louie, Breaking Bad, Parks and Recreation.

The guy who hated it likes: Breaking Bad, The Big Bang Theory and Revolution.

by Anonymousreply 21406/02/2013

Anyone with a pulse should like Breaking Bad...

by Anonymousreply 21506/02/2013

I'm loving the homoeroticism of this season, especially the incestuous undertones.

Michael getting into the shower with George Michael and commenting that they're twins and to 'name one thing about us that is different' (which feels vaguely like he's talking about their cocks since he says it as he hops into a naked shower with his son).

I hope Bateman got to tap Cera's ass at least once during AD.

by Anonymousreply 21606/02/2013

Uncle GOB gets in on the action too, sucking George Michael's finger then kissing him on the mouth. I smell a threesome!

by Anonymousreply 21706/02/2013

"And I get to kiss him hard on the mouth."

Maybe Jason has tapped that after all?

by Anonymousreply 21806/02/2013

"Distractingly high-cut shorts..."

by Anonymousreply 21906/02/2013

Ooh, I just got why Herbert Love's campaign manager was always holding a cigarette.

And that's why AD, even in this weaker Season 4, is still better than almost anything else out there.

by Anonymousreply 22006/02/2013

I just finished binge watching. I thought it was amazing and a great season. I love the way it all comes together at the end. It was brilliant. Kudos. The two standout episodes for me were both Tobias-centric, but I enjoyed them all.

by Anonymousreply 22106/02/2013

I loved all of season 4, more than any of the other seasons in fact. Amazing how they fit the Byzantine storyline together like an intricate 3D jigsaw puzzle. I'm going to watch it again to pick up on some of the little things I may have missed the first time around. Initially I didn't recognize Portia de Rossi at all and actually believed that they'd hired a different actress to play her role. She looked more like herself once she cropped her hair short, however.

The GOB/Tony Wonder relationship was funny but I didn't think much of it having any real meaning because the Narrator said something like "they had feelings for each other that neither had ever felt before...it was friendship" and the whole gay sex thing was passed off more as an act that the characters were willing to do only because it offered them the opportunity to fuck themselves (since they were wearing masks of the other person). But then I was listening to the Mitch Hurwitz interview on NPR and he said that one of the characters seemed to be discovering that he may in fact be gay, so that got my hopes up that GOB and Tony may continue their relationship in the next season and/or movie.

Did anyone else think that P-Hound looks like an Asian version of Cameron from Ferris Bueller's Day Off?

by Anonymousreply 22206/05/2013

3 perfect things:

MARKY BARK!

PERFECTO!

*L*I*Z*A*!

by Anonymousreply 22306/06/2013

I slogged through them all, and I agree with whoever said that there was too much Ron Howard. It was like he was reading you a story in some of the episodes.

by Anonymousreply 22406/06/2013

Maeby is both beautiful and unusual looking.

by Anonymousreply 22508/17/2013

I was a late bloomer with this show. Caught it from the beginning on Netflix. I actually preferred binging on Season 4 than the previous seasons. Loved the way the fourth season was structured to reveal the story in pieces from different character perspectives.

Is it coming back for a 5th season?

by Anonymousreply 22611/08/2013
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