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Anti-gay French historian shoots himself at the altar of Notre Dame to protest gay marriage

Dominique Venner, a notable far-right French historian, shot himself in the head at the altar of the Notre Dame cathedral today, killing himself in front of a crowd of tourists to protest gay marriage, which was legalized in France last weekend.

The 78-year-old Venner, a prolific essayist for much of his life, was also a strict Catholic who frequently inveighed against gays and Islamists, who he believed were coming to wipe out French culture. In a blog post dated today—translated with the help of senilezombiegrouchomarx—Venner argued that more drastic measures were necessary to combat same-sex marriage since peaceful protests didn't work.

"It certainly will require new, spectacular and symbolic gesture to shake the sleepiness, shaking anesthetized consciousness and awaken the memory of our origins," he wrote. "We are entering a time when words must be authenticated by acts."

Witnesses say Venner entered the cathedral and placed a sealed envelope on the altar before shooting himself through the mouth with a handgun. His final blog post can be read in its entirety below:

"The protestors on the 26th of May will have reason to vent their impatience and anger. An odious law, once passed, can always be repealed.

I have just finished listening to an Algerian blogger: “In any case”, he said, “in fifteen years Islamists will be in power and will strike down the law”. Not to satisfy us, lest we doubt, but because it is against Sharia.

It is the single common point, albeit superficial, between the European culture (which respects women) and Islam (which does not). The preemptive statement by this Algerian blogger sends chills down the spine. The consequences of such a development would be as great and catastrophic as those of the Taubira Law.

We must recognize the real possibility of France falling under Islamic rule. Over the past 40 years, politicians and successive governments from all parties (excepting the Front Nationale), as well as big business and the Church, have actively worked towards, and accelerated, Afro-Maghreb immigration by all means.

For a long time, great writers have sounded the alarm, starting with Jean Raspail in his prophetic Camp of Saints (Robert Laffont). The new edition has set printing records.

The protestors on the 26th of May cannot ignore this reality. Their fight cannot confine itself to the issue of gay marriage. The “Great Replacement” of the French and European populations, decried by writer Renaud Camus, is a peril just as significant for the future.

Organizing peaceful demonstrations will not suffice to stem the tide. We must first, as Renan would say, engineer a veritable “intellectual and moral” reform movement. Such a movement must allow us first to re-appropriate out forgotten French and European identity. The need for such a movement is still not widely acknowledged.

New actions, both spectacular and symbolic, are needed to shake us from our sleep-like stupor and reawaken our sense of tradition. We are entering into a time when talk must be supported by actions.

We must also remember what Heidegger formulated brilliantly in Being and Time: that the essence of man is not to be found in some “other world”, but in his very existence. It is here and now, in these last moments, that our destiny in is play. These final moments are as important as the rest of one’s life. That is why one must uphold their ideals to the very last second. Only in deciding for one’s self and seizing destiny can one vanquish nothingness. There is no way to escape this fact. In this life, we have two options: to uphold our ideals or to be nothing."

by Anonymousreply 9206/08/2013


by Anonymousreply 105/21/2013

If you're 78 just wait the 6 months to a year to die naturally from a painful stroke like everyone else.

by Anonymousreply 205/21/2013

[quote]The 78-year-old Venner, a prolific essayist for much of his life, was also a strict Catholic

And yet by doing this he desecrated a cathedral and committed the moral sin of suicide.

Guess who's not going to heaven?

by Anonymousreply 305/21/2013

His last statement:


by Anonymousreply 405/21/2013

Quelle une regine!

by Anonymousreply 505/21/2013

Drama QWEEN!

by Anonymousreply 605/21/2013

If only more homophobes would follow his excellent example

by Anonymousreply 705/21/2013

What R7 said.

Also, if his God is right, Venner went straight to hell.

by Anonymousreply 805/21/2013

Au revoir trashy!

by Anonymousreply 905/21/2013

Somebody has to clean up that mess, you know. Brain matter doesn't clean itself.

by Anonymousreply 1005/21/2013

Can we get James Dobson to do this too?

by Anonymousreply 1105/21/2013

The most frustrating thing about radical right wingers who are also Islamophobes: they can't seem to process that they're just advocating another kind of Sharia.

by Anonymousreply 1205/21/2013

[quote] Can we get James Dobson to do this too?

I'd rather see Bryan Fischer do it first.

by Anonymousreply 1305/21/2013

One down...

by Anonymousreply 1405/21/2013

Oh, that's sad!

He was undoubtedly convinced early in life that denying his true desires, and seeking a life of self-denial and penance was the right thing to do. Then, when he was an old man, he not only saw people happily doing everything he'd ever denied himself, but being accepted for it! He must have realized he'd wasted his life.

Now he's gone to call his God to account.

by Anonymousreply 1505/21/2013

Yeah that will show them! What a screwed up asshole! He has accomplished what exactly and since Islams are also homophobes I am confused about his actual intent. Whatever.

by Anonymousreply 1605/21/2013


by Anonymousreply 1705/21/2013


by Anonymousreply 1805/21/2013

My back-up plan was to dress in my most eleaborate silk kimono, draw a warm bath with candles, and overdose on Nyquil to Delibes' "Lakme".

by Anonymousreply 1905/21/2013

One idiot less.

by Anonymousreply 2005/21/2013

65 million more of these and the country might actually be enjoyable to visit.

by Anonymousreply 2105/21/2013

Hopefully this starts a trend.

by Anonymousreply 2205/21/2013

[quote]strict Catholic

Probably upset the Jake Genesis retired from porn.

by Anonymousreply 2305/21/2013

He's just the same as a suicide bomber, thinking his own dramatic death would inspire a revolution on 26 May, when another homophobe march is set to take place. He bizarrely links the "fight" against gay marriage with a new movement to combat Muslim efforts to impose Sharia law in Europe, as though gay marriage and Muslim fundamentalists are allies! Gay marriage is anathema to sharia! These people are fucking mad!

I really hope that scum Frigide Barjot feels shitty about this and starts to realise what a bunch of dangerous lunatics she's unleashed.

by Anonymousreply 2405/21/2013

Head Like A Hole

by Anonymousreply 2505/21/2013

And on your gauche, you see the beautiful stained glass windows and on your droit, you see the spot where an asshole desecrated our most famous Cathedral. Tips are gratefully appreciated. Vous vous amusez.

by Anonymousreply 2605/21/2013

drama queen.

by Anonymousreply 2705/21/2013


by Anonymousreply 2805/21/2013

With six you get crepe suzette.

by Anonymousreply 2905/21/2013

"a notable far-right French historian,"

His insanity is now duly noted.

by Anonymousreply 3005/21/2013

What R3 said. He could not possibly have been a "strict Catholic" if he committed suicide. Suicide is a huge sin and the idea that you'll suffer in the hereafter for committing the sin of suicide is drilled into the head of everyone raised a Catholic.

by Anonymousreply 3105/21/2013

Euro Trash.

by Anonymousreply 3205/21/2013

'Atta boy!

by Anonymousreply 3305/21/2013


by Anonymousreply 3405/21/2013

Of all the countries that have passed gay marriage, the French have put up the most resistance. And his point about islamists repealing it is weird because the muslims have hardly featured in this debate.

Homphobia in France:

by Anonymousreply 3505/21/2013

Dead, dead, dead!

by Anonymousreply 3605/21/2013

Turns out he was gay and couldn't get anyone to marry him.

by Anonymousreply 3705/21/2013

I hope I don't read one word about this being any kind of tragedy. You are the first person in my entire life that I am GLAD is fucking dead, you utter moron.

by Anonymousreply 3805/21/2013

A right wing spokesnut opposed to gay marriage got in such a tizzy over France's new law, he killed himself. Just beforehand, he had fulminated with outrage, claiming being gay is a “Mortal Sin.” According to a lesbian (now there's an unnecessary adjective!) nun I knew, so is committing suicide, which is notoriously mortal.

And I don't know how contemporary Catholics score such things, but I bet you get extra damnation credits if you desecrate one one Christendom’s most prized cathedrals when you do it.

But what a refreshing novelty for an unbalanced person to only hurt himself!

by Anonymousreply 3905/21/2013

He pulled the 'maria' version of "MARY"!

by Anonymousreply 4005/21/2013

If he was so religious, I hope he knew that by the tenets of his religion, he can't get into Heaven - Limbo is as far as he can make it.

Or was that an "Oh shit, I KNEW there was something I forgot!" moment for him?

by Anonymousreply 4105/21/2013

ONE LESS CUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 4205/21/2013

why did this have 44 replies 10 minutes ago and now it only has 42?

by Anonymousreply 4305/21/2013

How do you solve a problem like Dominique?

by Anonymousreply 4405/21/2013

Couldn't he have waited until Bastille Day?

by Anonymousreply 4505/21/2013

Just another example proving right wings and extreme homophobes being nuts.

by Anonymousreply 4605/21/2013

Je m'en fou.

by Anonymousreply 4705/21/2013

I just don't understand why more people like him don't opt for self-immolation.

Any moron can shoot himself in the head.

Setting yourself ablaze in a public forum, preferably where young people can capture video on their phones - now that's what you do to bring attention to your cause.

Poor fellow. An analog player in a digital world.

A shot to the head in a dark space - that's not going viral.

Running around in flames? Well, that shit's gonna hit tens of millions of views on YouTube in a matter of weeks.


by Anonymousreply 4805/21/2013

He had no "faith" or he wouldn't have done it.

Religious people are all liars. Right to the end.

by Anonymousreply 4905/21/2013

[quote]He had no "faith" or he wouldn't have done it.

Actually, I'm surprised more religious people don't jump off of cliffs or dive into a tank of sharks. If you live, it's a miracle and everyone is converted to a believer, with you as the hero. If you die, you go straight to heaven.

by Anonymousreply 5005/21/2013

Not so R50. Suicide is considered a grave sin in Roman Catholicism.

by Anonymousreply 5105/21/2013

Well he didn't 'uphold his ideals', did he? He chose religiose melodrama.

If he was dying anyway, he might have served his 'cause' by 'campaigning' till the end. But no, the crank saw his futility and histrionically left the game.

Epitaph: Worst Loser Ever.

by Anonymousreply 5205/21/2013

ALL RIGHT EVERYONE!! WE GOT IT!! SUICIDE IS A MORTAL SIN!!! Does anyone read any posts at all?

by Anonymousreply 5305/21/2013

Men are SUCH drama queens.

by Anonymousreply 5405/21/2013

"Venner explored the reasons for the failure of the April 1961 coup and the divide that existed between "nationals" and the "nationalists"

So, pot smoker?

by Anonymousreply 5505/21/2013

"senilezombiegrouchomarx" ...what?

by Anonymousreply 5605/21/2013

I think he did it for a joke. He had to know that it would be shocking today, hilarious tomorrow.

by Anonymousreply 5705/21/2013

Bien fait, monsieur! Bien fait!

by Anonymousreply 5805/21/2013

So thousands of children molested by the church does not bother him?

by Anonymousreply 5905/22/2013

Close, R27

Je m'en fous = I don't give a fuck

Better yet:

Je m'en branle = I don't give a goddamn fuck. (Lit. "I'm jacking off over it.")

by Anonymousreply 6005/22/2013

There's also je m'en bats les couilles, for DL purists

by Anonymousreply 6105/22/2013

So apparently he was strongly influenced by Mishima,Gay Japanese writer who killed himself dramatically in a failed right wing coup.

At least the guy wa clear about his motives.

by Anonymousreply 6205/22/2013

How sad. Sad as in the 'loser' sense, not the pathos one.

by Anonymousreply 6305/22/2013

R62 But wasn't Mishima gay and quite openly so?

by Anonymousreply 6405/22/2013

Indeed he was, R64.

A sort of SS/SA gay I imagine, lots of leather and submission and whatnot

Read Confessions of a Mask if you're interested, that'll give you an idea

by Anonymousreply 6505/22/2013

Pretension has always been the hallmark of French intellectuals, not logic. All this fool did was prove that he's a fucking loon.

by Anonymousreply 6605/22/2013

R66 That's why most French movies annoy the fuck out of me. All pretentious pseudo-intellectual babble and no actual substance. British, German, Spanish, Asian, South American or US cinema is so much better.

by Anonymousreply 6705/22/2013

One less vote for the droit.

by Anonymousreply 6805/22/2013

Obvious fake. When have pro-Obama posts outnumbered anti-Obama posts. Oh that's right, maybe one week before the election, and that's all.

by Anonymousreply 6905/22/2013

When has DL ever ganged up on anti-poor posters en masse. Totally fake.

by Anonymousreply 7005/22/2013

[quote]Not so [R50]. Suicide is considered a grave sin in Roman Catholicism.

But it wouldn't be suicide if you really believed you were under god's protection, which is what Christians allegedly believe (obviously no one really does).

God is all-powerful. Therefore you can swim in a tank of hungry sharks. fully confident that If god wants you to live you will live, if he wants you to die, you'll go immediately to heaven. It's god's decision and you're supposed to trust in him.

by Anonymousreply 7105/22/2013

No loss to the gene pool.

by Anonymousreply 7205/22/2013

It's like how that Norway shooter, Breivik ACTUALLY thought that killing all of those people would spark off some kind of revolution for his right wing stuff.

This won't do shit either.

by Anonymousreply 7305/22/2013

R73 At least this one had the decency to kill himself.

by Anonymousreply 7405/22/2013

A French drama queen! How rare!

by Anonymousreply 7505/22/2013

I live here and I haven't seen any news of this.

by Anonymousreply 7605/22/2013

R74, too true. It's not in the same league by far. Still batshit crazy though.

He was 78 though. Maybe just thought he wanted to go out anyway.

by Anonymousreply 7705/22/2013

Oh sorry it was yesterday.

by Anonymousreply 7805/22/2013

I was in Bastille last night anyway, much better way to spend my time

by Anonymousreply 7905/22/2013

r28 made me laugh. Merci, mon petit chou.

by Anonymousreply 8005/22/2013

One of the miltant FEMEN ladies wrote "May facism rest in hell" on her chest the next day in Notre-Dame

by Anonymousreply 8105/22/2013

I love that cathedral. Religion is responsible for some of the most beautiful art and architecture in history. From the Sistine Chapel to Bach, the world is richer for it, but we could do without the hate.

by Anonymousreply 8205/22/2013

France is the least tolerant country in western Europe towards homosexuality, according to survey.

by Anonymousreply 8305/23/2013

There is going to be a (supposedly) huge anti-marriage manifestation on Sunday for Mothers Day. Frigid Barjot says they won't back down even though the law has been passed.

by Anonymousreply 8405/24/2013

So what.

by Anonymousreply 8505/24/2013

This is the weirdest suicide to happen in Notre Dame since Quasimodo jumped off the bell tower.

by Anonymousreply 8605/24/2013

The mayor of Montpellier cemented her place in history when she married the first gay couple in France on May 29. But now Helene Mandroux is making headlines for a different reason: The French mayor has received countless threats, including one with feces, over her part in the marriage.

According to Montpellier daily newspaper Midi Libre, since performing the wedding, Mandroux has received many letters that contain insults and threats expressing opposition to gay marriage in France. One of the packages mailed to the French official also contained feces, municipal officers discovered.

Passage of the landmark law has spurred intense protests in the country. Prior to the legislation's approval by the National Assembly, France saw a marked rise in violent attacks on gay couples. Legislators who voiced their support for gay marriage were also threatened.

In one of the more alarming incidents, Claude Bartolone, the head of the National Assembly, received a letter containing gunpowder.

Though the mailed threats have become more commonly associated with gay marriage opposition in France, a number of French politicians have received similar packages throughout the years when they have expressed their sentiments on a controversial piece of legislation.

Despite the many threats and protests, French President Francois Hollande signed the France's "marriage for all" legislation into law on May 18; the same day, Vincent Autin and Bruno Boileau signed up to wed in Montpellier.

by Anonymousreply 8706/03/2013

An 18-year-old gay rights campaigner has been left brain dead after an attack by far-right skinheads in Paris.

The Local reports Clément Méric, a student at Sciences Po in Paris, was violently attacked by a group of three skinheads, including one woman, near Saint-Lazare train station on Wednesday evening.

A vigil for Clément Méric will take place this evening.

In a statement, the democratic socialist party, Parti de Gauche, said: “The horror of fascism has just killed right in the middle of Paris.”

“Violently beaten to the ground by a group of activists from the extreme right, manifestly from the group JNR (Jeune Nationaliste Revolutionnaire), left motionless, he was declared this evening to be in a state of brain death at Pitié-Salpêtrière Hospital in Paris,” the statement added.

The leader of JNR, Serge Ayoub, has denied his group’s involvement in the attack.

Marine Le Pen, leader of the far-right National Front, called the attack on the young student repulsive and detestable but said groups such as the JNR had no ties with her party.

When asked by RTL radio why one of the attackers was seen wearing a top with her party’s logo, she reacted angrily.

“Making this kind of association is scandalous, I’d like to know very much who this witness is,” Le Pen said. “You have no proof at all.”

It is the latest violent homophobic attack to have taken place in France in recent months.

Anti-gay crime has soared with the arrival of equal marriage in the country.

In April, Raphaël Leclerc, a gay cabaret dancer was beaten unconscious in Nice, and Wilfred de Bruijn, a gay librarian, was attacked in Paris.

In the same month four people were detained on suspicion of carrying out an attack at a gay bar in Lille.

President Francois Hollande called for the violence to stop in April.

by Anonymousreply 8806/06/2013

It was not an anti gay attack, he was not gay, don't make this an homophobic event, it was a repulsive fight turned bad between a bunch of extreme rights fuckwits and a group of extreme left youngsters who were singled out and attacked.

by Anonymousreply 8906/06/2013

It's a start!

by Anonymousreply 9006/08/2013

Drama Queen.

by Anonymousreply 9106/08/2013


He was pro gay, I know people, who knew him and they are all gay.

by Anonymousreply 9206/08/2013
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