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"Why is it talking to you?"

I struck up a conversation with a cute, younger guy in the sauna tonight. Let's call him Eric...I think that's his name. I'm older and okay looking, but I don't prey on the cute, young guys. I'm sure Eric was cruising, and obviously I'm not his type. However, traffic was light, so I guess he felt it was ok to strike up a conversation with an old guy like me. Anyway, we are in the same field (advertising), so we were chatting about the usual agency stuff. It was a pleasant conversation, and I honestly had no ulterior motives.

His bitchy little diva friend entered the sauna and interrupted our conversation to complain how hot it was (it's a sauna, for pete's sake!). Eric and I quickly resumed the conversation, and about ten seconds later, I heard the friend say to Eric in this cunty valley girl voice, "why is it talking to you?" You could clearly make out the disgust in his voice. Eric was clearly embarrassed and pretended not to hear the friend, and we resumed the conversation.

Honestly, how can people be so cunty and bitchy toward a fellow human being? So I'm not young and beautiful...I guess that's reason enough to not even see me as a person but as an "it," an object of disgust. Are some people so looks-obsessed that they can't see anything beyond the surface? I was young and pretty once too, but I never treated older people this way.

by Anonymousreply 5405/11/2013

The friend sounds totally repulsive.

by Anonymousreply 105/10/2013

Them youngins have no manners.

by Anonymousreply 205/10/2013

This is why you should enter saunas armed.

Seriously though, what a miserable little fuckwit.

by Anonymousreply 305/10/2013

Eric's friend was what's known as an effeminite. That's what they're like. DL is full of them.

by Anonymousreply 405/10/2013

Nothing to do with that, R4. Just a shallow asshole. Laughable really.

by Anonymousreply 505/10/2013

Sorry OP. If it's any consolation, twinks who are currently in grade school will be saying that about the friend when he's younger than you.

by Anonymousreply 605/10/2013

Gay men are the biggest cunts.

by Anonymousreply 705/10/2013

I am so sorry that happened to you, OP. But, yeah, there are young vicious cunt queens out there in the world. Toxic and hateful. He is a miserable little piece of work, that's a given. What must it be like to BE that little shitstain?

by Anonymousreply 805/10/2013

I wonder what the right reply would have been. I know people say "it's better to just ignore people like this, etc." Still, I can't help but think saying something that really went for the jugular would have been appropriate here.

by Anonymousreply 905/10/2013

I can't believe you're even bothered by what an asshole like that would say in the first place. He's completely not worth worrying about but "Eric" sounds like a decent guy, though.

by Anonymousreply 1005/10/2013

OP, sorry that happened to you. People sometimes just act horribly. At the end of the day, you get to be you--someone who wouldn't treat a fellow human being like shit-- and that stupid jackass still is still a stupid jackass with a lot of tough life lessons ahead of him.

R4 you're part of the problem.

by Anonymousreply 1105/10/2013

what a miserable human being that little twat must be. take consolation in knowing how awful his life must be.

by Anonymousreply 1205/10/2013

U look like an alien?

by Anonymousreply 1305/10/2013

r11, would a non-effeminite say something like that and act that way. You know very well the answer is no.

by Anonymousreply 1405/10/2013

Ok, ok. This is all well and good. Tell me you flashed your hole at this cute young stud.

by Anonymousreply 1505/10/2013

Gay men value bitchiness over empathy.

by Anonymousreply 1605/10/2013

It's funny how the ones who are the most judgmental and looks-obsessed end up looking horrible.

by Anonymousreply 1705/10/2013

I hope you hissed at him while you grabbed your waxy breasts!

by Anonymousreply 1805/10/2013

[quote]Gay men value bitchiness over empathy.

No they don't. Effeminites do. Stop trying to deliberately confuse the two. They have nothing in common.

by Anonymousreply 1905/10/2013

You should've smacked him viciously in the face with your saggy balls.

by Anonymousreply 2005/10/2013

Don't worry the miserable little bitch will kill himself at 30.

by Anonymousreply 2105/10/2013

Oh do shut up R17.

by Anonymousreply 2205/10/2013

You should have said to him, "Because I'm his precious, Gollum."

by Anonymousreply 2305/10/2013

I've been a victim of this type of cunt-queen so many times in my life, that I simply gave up hanging around gay men.

I've just turned 50, I have money, I'm hwp, nice car, etc., and rather than take a chance on going through that again, I simply avoid gay gatherings. It seems that mid-sized cities have an overwhelming number of cunt-queens, which makes it difficult to get out and even want to TRY and find a decent guy.

OP, you should have choked that boy with your towel.

by Anonymousreply 2405/10/2013

If the OP had a gun, he coulda shot the vile little cunt and shut him up permanently.

by Anonymousreply 2505/10/2013

Another theory, OP. I had a friend who recently went into treatment for sex addiction (yes, a friend not me) and he was taught to conceptualize his compulsion as a "thing" outside himself that he had to fight against - and "it" if you will. He had to learn not to listen to "it" when "it" suggested compulsive sexual behavior.

Do you think it's possible that Eric has such a history (including possibly picking tricks in the sauna), his friend came in, saw what was going on and was trying to be a supportive friend like "Hey Eric why it 'it' talking to you (the compulsion)?" Trying to encourage him to resist temptation and stay on the path to recovery?

Honestly that was my initial impression when I read your narrative.

by Anonymousreply 2605/10/2013

R24 - Two words: house party.

by Anonymousreply 2705/10/2013


While that's a nice theory... I think you're way over thinking it. The kid was just a bitch.

by Anonymousreply 2805/10/2013

R26 would justify his boyfriend getting fucked by the contractor by suggesting he tripped coming out of the shower and accidentally landed on his hard cock.

by Anonymousreply 2905/10/2013

Agenda much, R14/R19?

The five super-straight guys I once worked with in a small office were the bitchiest, most back stabbing, two faced bunch of bitches ever assembled. They'd have run over their own mothers if it meant ahead.

by Anonymousreply 3005/10/2013

OP you shouldve snatched his weave right then! Bitch was begging for a good ass beating.

by Anonymousreply 3105/10/2013

"Because he was starving for intelligent conversation."

by Anonymousreply 3205/10/2013

R29, I was recently at a dinner party given by a friend who had lost his partner about a year ago. He had a boy toy there who was clearly unstable, and kept interrupting conversation to steer the topic back to himself.

Over four hours I learned that he was HIV positive and had been in mental wards a number of times. On top of all this he wasn't even very attractive.

My friend is a very attractive man, rich and could really have a much more appropriate fuck buddy. It was a good thing that there was marijuana, because I would not have been able to make it to dessert otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 3305/10/2013

[quote]The five super-straight guys I once worked with in a small office were...

You sound like the one with the agenda. It was clear in those posts you referenced that the criticism was not directed toward gay guys. So why are you using a term like "super-straight" as an opposite?

by Anonymousreply 3405/10/2013

Thanks for the support, guys. I don't understand people who go out of their way to be cruel to others. Well, other than on this board, of course, but I find that all in good fun. And to be fair, I don't think it's necessarily a gay thing. I think young people in general, whether gay or straight, male or female, who settle in the city just out of college have this rabid sense of entitlement and narcissism that causes them to treat people they see as inferior to them with disdain, and that's been discussed here many times before. I'm not sure if the city attracts the narcissists, or living in the city makes one that way. Chicken or egg!

I moved to NYC when I was young and just out of college too, eons ago, but my friends and I never displayed this type of behavior. This was 1985, smack dab in the middle of the AIDS crisis. I lost some friends, not as many as some guys who came of age 5-10 years earlier, but I attended my fair share of funerals and saw many sick people around. Although I was never officially part of any "militant" anti-AIDS group, there was a sense of community and brotherhood among gay men of all shapes and sizes and ages back then. The whole experience definitely united many of us. Obviously I'm happy that HIV/AIDS is no longer the death sentence it once was and that there's not the overarching need to mobilize over the disease. But that sense of brotherhood and unity should still exist. OK sorry for rambling and turning all melodramatic.

by Anonymousreply 3505/10/2013

Pardon me, R29? What in blazes are you talking about. What contractor?

I simply offered an alternate explanation that I am relatively certain is correct (unless the conversation was more one-sided than OP has made it sound). I mean, if Eric's friend was actually trying to help, he does not deserve all of this vitriol. It's not easy being a buddy and supporting an addict's recovery.

But why are you attacking me personally? My boyfriend? I never mentioned my boyfriend? Contractor? You lost me, R29.

by Anonymousreply 3605/10/2013


Important question is.. what gym was this at?

by Anonymousreply 3705/10/2013

R35, I do not think that people like that are treating people with distain out of a feeling of superiority. It's the exact opposite. Miss Thing was reacting out of her insecurities.

by Anonymousreply 3805/10/2013

NYSC W94th & Broadway.

by Anonymousreply 3905/10/2013

OP, next time you see this jerk at the gym, you should take him aside and talk to him and tell him that giving out such an attitude gives people, both straight and gay, a justifiable reason to dislike gays and bash them and if he keeps it up he better not expect any sympathy if he's ever on the receiving end of a hate crime. In addition, one day he'll be older and he could very well be on the receiving end of such of comment and how would he feel.

by Anonymousreply 4005/10/2013


I have a feeling all that would be a waste of breath for someone who behaves like that. But, yeah, give it a try.

by Anonymousreply 4105/10/2013

R40, No, OP should ignore Miss Thing. She does not exist. Not there, will never be acknowledged. That will kill her inside.

by Anonymousreply 4205/10/2013

If he really was being fresh with you, OP (I have yet to see your response to my other theory), have you considered this revenge tool called "liquid ass"?

You could squirt a bit into his locker (through the vent holes) when no one is looking.

He would become an instant gym pariah. It's truly revolting.

by Anonymousreply 4305/10/2013

How does Eric come off like a prince in this story? Instead of telling his friend to fuck off he just ignores him-OOOOOOOOOO!! Burn!

by Anonymousreply 4405/10/2013

OP, you should have pushed its face into the hot rocks until you heard its eyeballs pop like bubblewrap.

by Anonymousreply 4505/10/2013

R14 "effeminites", as you have it, do not have a monopoly on being hurtful, and they are no more worthy of derision than the OP.

by Anonymousreply 4605/10/2013

OP were you there looking for play?

by Anonymousreply 4705/10/2013

Totally agree with R44.

by Anonymousreply 4805/10/2013

Why is it posting?

by Anonymousreply 4905/10/2013

It puts the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again.

by Anonymousreply 5005/10/2013

OP, I would have stood up, walked over to the asshole and slapped his face. Really.

by Anonymousreply 5105/11/2013

OP, you are right, but the world has changed and the younger gens just do not appreciate brotherhood because they have not been through any diversity like our group.

They grew up with gay TV characters on mainstream channels, gay music, gay films, gay book stores and gay porn. Gay marriage in a few states and even a president that is pro gay.

So like most kids that age, they are spoiled little brats that think the world revolves around them. For like what, 5 to 10 years maybe. Then its all down hill and payback is a bitch.

by Anonymousreply 5205/11/2013

[quote] how can people be so cunty and bitchy

You sound like a bit of a charmer yourself, OP!

by Anonymousreply 5305/11/2013

Big red flag for Eric, and his charmless friend will ensure their acquaintance ends badly. Probably with follow-up too.

by Anonymousreply 5405/11/2013
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