It was such a long time ago. Can't even remember what color the sky was that day now.
Do You Care About 9/11 Anymore?
|by Anonymous||reply 77||09/28/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 1||04/27/2013|
I remember and care. Just youtube a video of one of the towers coming down or the plane hitting. People jumping to their deaths a running for their lives.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||04/27/2013|
I believe that the CIA and Bush administration planned and executed the whole thing and I don't know if they simply wanted to go bomb Iraq or if they had more then one agenda? You could say, I care.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||04/27/2013|
YOU SAID YOU'D NEVER FORGET!
|by Anonymous||reply 4||04/27/2013|
I don't fret and get upset about it every day. But when I see any video footage, it still hurts.
Yeah, I care. What a question.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||04/27/2013|
Mecca still exists, so we're not done with responding.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||04/27/2013|
I still care. But while I don't think of it as much as I used to I still think of it more than I want to.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||04/27/2013|
The world definitely changed that day - a paradigm shift, the result of a staged ritual. I wonder about kids born after it. Their existence isn't "normal" in my estimation. They don't have a frame of reference to a pre-surveillance state, to a time before ridiculous airport tension (largely manufactured military theatre), deliberately dumbed down celebrities who question nothing and won't shut up about "supporting our troops", FOXNews mentality becoming mainstream, etc.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||04/27/2013|
r8 = MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARY!!!
Do you think no other nation, nor the US for that matter, hasn't had big nation-changing events bfore 9/11? lol
|by Anonymous||reply 9||04/27/2013|
I'm not talking about other nations. I'm talking about whether or not I care about 9/11 anymore. I didn't realize I was asked to describe the experiences of people who are not me. Pearl Harbor is maybe the closest relative to a localized U.S. event, but doesn't compare to 911. Maybe Oklahoma bombing as a contender? You go on back to lol'ing now, R9, you reptilian queen.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||04/27/2013|
Get a hold of yourself R9 The topic is 9/11, not "Other nations that experienced big nation-changing events".
|by Anonymous||reply 11||04/27/2013|
Nice post r8. I agree.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||04/27/2013|
The islamic terrorists in Boston was a reminder that 9/11 was just a start of the hate that islam has for America.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||04/27/2013|
r10, the assassination of Kennedy killed the 'innocence' of the country. It was all downhill after that.
Did you hear/experience the air raid drills, where kids had to get underneath their beds and desks preparing for the bomb to drop?
What about Vietnam, and the Draft?
|by Anonymous||reply 14||04/27/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 15||04/27/2013|
With the Pubbies, New York's 9-11 mayor, and freaks like Lisa Beamer shoving it at us for years and years, I don't want to dwell on it. As a moment in history, it's an important date and is right up there with Dec. 7, 1941. I have no interest in visiting the memorial nor care about what ugly building replaces it.
Now, while we're remembering dates, let's not forget the important anniversary we have coming on May 1st.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||04/27/2013|
Blue, then grey.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||04/27/2013|
There's no statute of limitation on mass murder and treason OP, as we know from the Kennedy assassination.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||04/27/2013|
I was so shocked by the Oklahoma City bombing that 9/11 did not hit me as hard. I'm sure I would have been more affected if I lived in NYC.
I realized a number of years ago that we may as well get used to bombings because they're going to become part of life.
OKC was harder to process because it was domestic terrorism and was carried out for some pretty damn stupid reasons.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||04/27/2013|
R3, ITA with you. People, even so called Liberals like Rachel Maddow act like we're crazy to believe the obvious. Just follow who profited the most from 911...W and Cheney.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||04/27/2013|
I don't think about it everyday, but how can you look at the skyline and NOT think about it?
|by Anonymous||reply 21||04/27/2013|
[quote]how can you look at the skyline and NOT think about it?
When I look at the skyline, I see palm trees, sand, and the ocean. Why would that make anyone think about 9/11?
|by Anonymous||reply 22||04/27/2013|
Some of you are so insular.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||04/27/2013|
I was very upset by the Oklahoma City bombing but frankly, I'm old, so I've been upset and angry about many events in our history.
The worst part is, I blame our own government for many of those events.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||04/28/2013|
This thread seems to be a place for raging queens to dump their crap.
To answer your question, OP: I don't think about it much now. But when old stories come up it still makes me cry.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||04/28/2013|
It was an inside, so it's depressing by now that more people can't see that.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||04/28/2013|
[quote]It was an inside, so it's depressing by now that more people can't see that.
We "can't" see it, or you are nuts. Which could it be?
|by Anonymous||reply 27||04/28/2013|
The sky was blue that day, OP, at least it started out that way. Yes, I still care about it but not as much as I did at the time, that's just natural.
The most depressing thing about 9/11 these days is the number of fuckwitted fools who buy into GED level conspiracy theories about it.
Years of preparation from Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham and Fox have warped their minds to the point where the government they are certain is totally incompetent is also a modern-day Dr. No organization.
Oklahoma City affected me more than 9/11. On 9/11 and on Marathon Day, my first thought was that it was the friends of Timothy McVeigh. I'm still a lot more afraid of those homegrown fuckers than I am of Muslims.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||04/28/2013|
The "official" story has more holes than a brick of Swiss cheese, but hey ... I'm just a doofus.
("Hi, Mom, it's me, Mark Bingham." Most folks identify themselves to their parents including surname, no?)
|by Anonymous||reply 29||04/28/2013|
yeah, my nightmares have all but stopped.
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 30||04/28/2013|
Something like 126 were killed in the Oklahoma bombing.
3 were killed in the Boston bombing (plus severe injuries)
Almost 3000 (around 2763) were killed in the World Trade Center being hit by airplanes.
Plus it created toxic air with carcinogenic particles filling the air for months.
Lower Manhattan was uninhabitable.
It was traumatic that all people in two airplanes which flew into the World Trade Ctr bldgs were incinerated. Including another plane in Pennsylvania.
Over 600 people who worked in one financial firm lost their lives.
People were forced to jump 20, 40, 50 and more stories to their deaths rather than be burned to death.
Oklahoma and Boston have little in common with the World Trade Center catastrophe.
Anyone who says Oklahoma bombing hit you harder lacks intelligence, breadth of knowledge, fundamental common sense, ability to read newspapers, and ability to be interested in events outside of your own region.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||04/28/2013|
[quote]("Hi, Mom, it's me, Mark Bingham." Most folks identify themselves to their parents including surname, no?)
Which is more likely? A man facing an imminent violent death gets flustered and begins the call to his mother as if it were a business call, or the people who faked the whole thing did it on purpose as a clue?
|by Anonymous||reply 32||04/28/2013|
Almost 3000 people were incinerated as the World Trade Center buildings toppled down into dust and wreckage.
People on the ground had to run for their lives as enormous clouds of asbestos, debri, incinerated building parts and heavey toxic dust stormed down the side streets.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||04/28/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 34||04/28/2013|
I'm from Boston, R31, and I've lived in NYC. A lot of my friends still live there. I've never even been to Oklahoma City on a layover, you dumb cunt.
It's not a question of "what attack killed more people" nor is it a regional pissing contest. It's not about determining which was "worse" that's an impossible task. Ask any family member of any victim of any terrorist attack and regardless of where or when it happened and who did it, no one's pain is worse or more important or more meaningful than anyone else's.
By the time 9/11 and Marathon Day happened, Oklahoma City had already done its work and it could not be undone. It wasn't just Oklahoma City either. Clinics had been bombed and doctors had been targeted and assassinated. The crazy fuckers who now routinely run for office and WIN were on the rise. We can all see where this has taken us. These insane reactionaries have become widely accepted in this country. If that doesn't scare the shit out of you more than Al fucking Qaeda then nothing will and you're a fool.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||04/28/2013|
I knew several people who were killed, am a NY native and was here during and since, Americans' complete disregard for others makes me not care so much anymore. We willfully killed tens of thousands of people who had nothing to do with it in countries that were not involved.
The huge majority of Americans simply did not or do not care about this glaring fact. The bullshit was so obvious.
Must say I didn't care much about the carnage in Boston.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||04/28/2013|
really r36? That's fucked up.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||04/28/2013|
OP, the sky was green like the grass, like the trees, like Frankenstein's monster.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||04/28/2013|
R36, please emigrate as soon as possible.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||04/28/2013|
Assholes have been doing this for a while but, the most popular theme on Datalounge lately seems to be to say the most ridiculous things. Posters will whip others into a frenzy and gleefully respond.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||04/28/2013|
So true, R40. It's tiresome.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||04/28/2013|
I was 18 when JFK was murdered. 911 was worse. I felt real pain and anger which lasted a long time.
When it changed to be about the MONEY and who OWNS the tragedy, my spiritual side of it clicked off. Just like that. That's the bad part.
The good part is that "they" will have to top 911 to hurt us again, which is unlikely. Boston certainly did not do it, though many people tried/are trying to stretch it to do so.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||04/28/2013|
I hate the impact side effects 9/11 has had. Despite the lofty rhetoric that tries to imply the opposite, 9/11 HAS changed who we are as Americans. It HAS changed our way of life. Everytime we take off our shoes/throw away a water bottle at the airport, we show who won that day. It's all so fucking depressing.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||04/28/2013|
R42 here, agreeing with R43. I hate it too. We ARE changed, and damaged, and it angers very much. The "good" side to that is that we are also immunized.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||04/28/2013|
I care about it! How else would I have made all this money?
|by Anonymous||reply 45||04/29/2013|
Biggest psy-op in American history. Nobody asked questions, everybody just bought little US flags for the antennae on their cars. And here were are
|by Anonymous||reply 46||04/30/2013|
Yes, OP, it was a long time ago. Twelve whole years, just about your age, right dear?
|by Anonymous||reply 47||04/30/2013|
Considering that the children born after 9-11 are almost teenage, yes I'd say it's time to move on.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||04/30/2013|
I lived in NYC and was a medical responder. Sometimes it seems like yesterday and sometimes it seems like it happened so far in the past that I can't be in touch with it.
I'm mostly just disgusted by how it was used by the media, the government and the public. For ratings, for warmongering, for profit and for a fucking emotional and physical bloodbath. If I had died that day I would be mortified for all eternity by what has been done in my name.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||04/30/2013|
R46: You mean like the fact that at that time it's been confirmed that those American Airlines jets had NO Airphones onboard, and that it would have been nearly impossible to obtain a "cell phone" connection at all, let alone maintain one for a sustained conversation about boxcutters, etc.?
|by Anonymous||reply 50||04/30/2013|
r3/r20 and other conspiracy nuts are historical vandals. You should question your government's motive, but to lay claim that bombs brought down the Towers; that Sandy Hook, Aurora is staged and no one died; or that the FBI is responsible for the Boston bombings that's just crazy talk.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||04/30/2013|
I care about 9/11 every day, since I commute through the WTC on my way to work. The new construction there pales in comparison to those original (albeit architecturally outdated) twin towers. I miss their impact on the NYC skyline. Now I have to wind my way past street vendors who continue to make $$$ from tourists with their full-color souvenir booklets "The Day that Changed America" and "9/11 - Let Us Not Forget". It makes me want to vomit!!!
I do think it's a mistake to continue to recognize the day with the ceremonial reading of the names, etc. While I completely respect the families of the victims, I think enough time has passed where the day can be acknowledged with quiet personal remembrances. It seems that that would be more healing than an annual death parade.
I will always remember that 9/11/01 was a clear, bright sunny day, in stark contrast to the events that unfolded that day.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||04/30/2013|
R51 believes any lie the lying liars in the US media shove down his gullible unquestioning throat.
You can't fake physical science and the official explanation of 9/11 defies the laws of physics. Therefore it is false. Yes, Virginia, it is that simple.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||04/30/2013|
Don't lump everyone who believes Bush and Cheney were behind 911 with the other things, R53. I do not for a second believe any of the other things were done by the government.
Also, every single day heaven knows how many in this "great" country die because of government caused poverty. Who is crying for them? Who reads their names off every year? They have my sympathy. The elderly who now are starving and dying of cancer while the rich don't have to wait an extra 5 minutes to catch a plane have my sympathy. Children who go to school and go to bed hungry every day have my sympathy. Poor childless adults who can't get medical care no matter if they are dying have my sympathy as do those minimum wage workers who died in the towers just trying to get by. The WS, banking and Corp big wigs…not so much.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||04/30/2013|
Oh man, I totally screwed up @ R54.
R54 was posted by R20, not R51 and it was a reply to R51. Sorry, R53 and R51, at least for posting with your number, R51. Crap, have to learn not to post when I'm in a rush.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||04/30/2013|
We all know the details about what happened but we have to move on. The victims who were trapped in those buildings would not want us to make the event a fetish object for grief porn - they did not want to be in those buildings - they wanted to get out of there and be free. And yet all we ever hear about are the buildings and not the people who died in them. We hear about fire, heat, anguish and violent death and we never hear about the stories of people that survived and helped others through the hour of peril that should make us glad to be alive.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||04/30/2013|
I think people who buy the official explanation are either subnormal or deranged.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||04/30/2013|
[quote]I hate the impact side effects 9/11 has had. Despite the lofty rhetoric that tries to imply the opposite, 9/11 HAS changed who we are as Americans. It HAS changed our way of life. Everytime we take off our shoes/throw away a water bottle at the airport, we show who won that day. It's all so fucking depressing.
This will not be fully realized for many years, the total side effects. And really, no one will ever stop caring about 9/11, so people should stop holding their breath. If nothing else, 9/11 is a major dividing point in the history of American civilization and the world. It happened right at the turn of the century, in the first year of the new millennium, so it is a perfect time point to section off this era of American civilization in history.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||04/30/2013|
Especially if they are Canadian.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||04/30/2013|
If you had an upstairs neighbor who perished on the 86th floor like I did, you would definitely think and care about it. He was the nicest man. when I see his wife and daughter, my heart just breaks for their loss. I sometimes think that I could have been in the buildings because my work took me there occassionally. Go visit the memorial and that will answer your question OP. It is very powerful.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||04/30/2013|
I care about the people who were affected and suffered. I do not care about the structured mourning that has been going on for the last 12 years. It is total grief porn. This local gallery does a yearly fall show with an opening reception in early September. Their opening in 2011 fell on 9/11, so they had this entire room of 9/11 "tribute" art, it was so fucking weird and obvious. I hated it.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||04/30/2013|
We have an old boy who lives in our neighborhood, almost 10 years. Has never hurt another animal, but has at times forgotten he should be "home" before the sun rises. Rocky
R61-I smelled the burning bodies for 6 months. I will never forget.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||04/30/2013|
R61-the Racoon Story was to be placed in another thread, Please accept my apologies.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||04/30/2013|
I think the adoption of the name "9-11" is odd. This kind of nomenclature for events is more common in China and Taiwan (for example, Taiwan's 921 Earthquake), but I can't think of another American event which is named in this way.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||04/30/2013|
I thought "9/11" and "Ground Zero" were so dumb-sounding and disrespectful at the beginning, but both stuck.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||04/30/2013|
168 people died in the Oklahoma City Bombing, including 15 babies/children.
Each year the city hosts a Memorial Marathon, they just had 24,000 run/walk last Saturday.
The Memorial is beautiful.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||04/30/2013|
I remember it fondly, and the billions its aftermath made for me and Halliburton!
|by Anonymous||reply 67||04/30/2013|
I made a shrine in my spare bedroom after 9/11 and lit candles for the victims every day for a year following the tragedy. I had planned to take the shrine down after a mourning year, but just couldn't bring myself to do it. It's still set up and I still have a gathering in my apartment on the anniversary every year where we hold a prayer service and light candles. As the most profound event in US history, it's worth commemorating so we don't repeat the same mistakes again.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||04/30/2013|
yes i remember apparently homeland security has forgotten though
|by Anonymous||reply 69||04/30/2013|
The toxic side effects ensure that no one is allowed to forget, including:
Full freedom now for the government to suppress basic freedoms. The liberty vs security debate has never been more important, yet SCOTUS has allowed Congress to skull fuck the population, whilst the corporations have profited.
11 years of futile war, bringing American 'freedom' to an unwilling middle eastern populace. So no freedom at all for them, then.
The right for every right wing asshole to isolate and exclude people following one of the 3 major religions simply because of radicalism, which exists in every religion, whatever an individual's own belief or opinion a out the attackers .
The right for any asshole take your life a misery simply by joining the TSA.
The rise in influence of the Defense Dept and the armed services.
There are others. Including sleight of hand about the numbers killed and seriously injured (military and civilian), misinformation (fuck it, flat out lying) to the US Ccitizenry by the government, and the enormous, unimaginable dollar-cost of the 'war on terror'. Basically, schools have paid the cost of the war. So that's a future generation ignorant and cowed by the military and the government.
And ironically, America's tantrum about 9/11 has cost more American lives, and more Americans their basic 'freedoms' than the original attack. I imagine that this is exactly what the original attackers hoped to achieve.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||04/30/2013|
70. Completely agree with everything. I think the terrorists are a lot more clever than most believe, they're not just irrational cave monkeys motivated by nothing else than religious extremism. They knew the effect the attack would have, and the fear and chaos it would bring to the US. Not to mention the cost. They know about the US debt; who doesn't. Watch out for China, I guess.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||04/30/2013|
Oh and I'm not a complete idiot. Of course airline security should be a priority, as should the protection of all citizens by any government.
But 9/11 allows the US government to be a complete dick about it if it so chooses.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||04/30/2013|
R72 = r70
Sorry, forgot to sign.
And sorry, too, for the typos in my first post. iPhone fucking type pads.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||04/30/2013|
It happen such a long time ago. We should forget about it. Because in the future well be still doing it for nothing really.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||09/27/2013|
Yes, I care. Those people jumped not because they were burning, but because the were roasting to death. Think about it. Every time you fly, it's a reminder of 9/11.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||09/28/2013|
I also hate that the phrase "ground zero" has been applied to this event. I used to use it gay bars and amusement parks to mean the spot a group would meet in a large crowded place after separating, to get together again to travel home together. Now it wouldn't be appropriate. I'm just saying.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||09/28/2013|
9/11 is right up there with the attack on Pearl Harbor, the burning of Atlanta, Martha Washington's fruitcake, and Benedict Arnold's treachery.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||09/28/2013|