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So James Dean was actually considered beautiful?

Egad, he looks like some wannabe nerdy guy. I can't believe he was actually considered good-looking. Blech.

by Anonymousreply 6012/15/2013

Are you 12?

by Anonymousreply 104/23/2013

Yeah. What on earth were people thinking?!

Thanks for setting the record straight, OP.

Talk about fugs:

by Anonymousreply 204/23/2013

He was also quite short, OP. And wore glasses.

Joan Collins wasn't impressed with him.

by Anonymousreply 304/23/2013

Joan Collins claims not to have been impressed with Marilyn Monroe. Her impressions are not to be trusted.

by Anonymousreply 404/23/2013

[quote]Joan Collins wasn't impressed with him.

Who the fuck cares about old ass Joan's opinion? And have you seen what her husband looks likes? She's hardly got good taste in men.

by Anonymousreply 504/23/2013

Yes, OP, he was. And he is. And he's certainly much more beautiful than a great many thought to be gorgeous today.

by Anonymousreply 604/23/2013

What was so impressive about Marilyn Monroe? I've never understood. Is she supposed to have been beautiful? I've never understood all the fuss over her.

Joan herself was far more beautiful.

by Anonymousreply 704/23/2013

R7 Please! Joan looked like the typical rich British cunt.

by Anonymousreply 804/23/2013

A beautiful rich, British cunt, R8.

by Anonymousreply 904/23/2013

Sometimes "beauty" is more about charisma and presence than just physical appearance. Neither Dean nor Munroe were bad looking, either.

by Anonymousreply 1004/23/2013

Joan was the poor man's Elizabeth Taylor. Even into the new millennium she got Taylor's scraps, like when she was cast as Fred's mother-in-law in that godwaful FLINTSTONES sequel, a role which had previously been played by Taylor in the wildly successful original.

As for her features, Joan was a bit wall-eyed and had an angular face. Marilyn had perfect symmetrical features, just a gorgeous face. Marilyn's beauty is also timeless. That's one of the reasons why I think she has retained her popularity. She wouldn't look out of place in the modern day, whereas young Collins (and young Taylor, for that matter) look very '50s.

by Anonymousreply 1104/23/2013

[quote]Sometimes "beauty" is more about charisma and presence than just physical appearance.

No, beauty by it's very definition is about physical appearance.

Maybe the word you're looking for R10 is "attractiveness", which concerns charisma, presence and beauty.

It terms of beauty alone, Joan was stunning:

by Anonymousreply 1204/23/2013

[quote]She wouldn't look out of place in the modern day, whereas young Collins (and young Taylor, for that matter) look very '50s.

I completely disagree. Marilyn looks very 1950's. Taylor and Collins both looked more modern.

But, back to the OP's question. Dean wasn't really considered beautiful, because he was a man. He was considered more of a symbol of wild youth than a handsome man.

by Anonymousreply 1304/23/2013

[quote]Marilyn's beauty is also timeless. That's one of the reasons why I think she has retained her popularity. She wouldn't look out of place in the modern day

[quote]I completely disagree. Marilyn looks very 1950's. Taylor and Collins both looked more modern.

It's all about the hair. With her hair in a shellacked bouffant, Marilyn's look looks dated. But in photos with her hair wet or loose... you see it. She's just amazing and perfectly contemporary.

[Although here on DataLounge she'd be "fat actress Marilyn Monroe.]

by Anonymousreply 1404/23/2013

[quote]It's all about the hair. With her hair in a shellacked bouffant, Marilyn's look looks dated. But in photos with her hair wet or loose... you see it. She's just amazing and perfectly contemporary.

Although, with how most current Hollywood actresses look when compared with their Old Hollywood equivalents, I'd hardly say "looking modern" is a compliment.

[quote]Although here on DataLounge she'd be "fat actress Marilyn Monroe.

At times she was chunky.

Marilyn with no makeup:

by Anonymousreply 1504/23/2013

Thread derailed!

by Anonymousreply 1604/23/2013

Even beautiful people have a number of photos which don't flatter them guys. That doesn't mean that they are/were not beautiful though.

by Anonymousreply 1704/23/2013

James Dean was photogenic. He had style. He hadn't a conservative beauty.

by Anonymousreply 1804/23/2013

To get the thread back on track... James:

by Anonymousreply 1904/23/2013

Had Dean have lived, I don't think he would've aged well, he was only twenty-four when he died, yet he looked older:

by Anonymousreply 2004/23/2013

Dean had what are --in retrospect-- modern good looks.

He was handsome, but more than that he was striking, both because he stood out in his own time and --perhaps with a brief exception for at the height of hippiedom-- because he fits subsequent notions of what is handsome.

by Anonymousreply 2104/23/2013

"No, beauty by it's very definition is about physical appearance."'

No, not by definition. There is both inner and outer beauty and the cumulative beauty of inner and outer beauty in tandem.

And each is subjective.

But you know that.

James Dean was in my opinion a very beautiful man, inside and out. Many people agree with me. Others I'm sure don't.

What is surprising is that some who don't would be so utterly shocked that others like myself found him very beautiful. There are many people found to be very beautiful by a great many people and I don't find them to be beautiful at all; but that's just the way it is.

by Anonymousreply 2204/23/2013

Yes, James Dean and Brando were more modern in look than their contemporaries.

by Anonymousreply 2304/23/2013

Good post R22.

People without inner beauty age badly, they look hardened and worn as they get older, people who take life in it's stride age the best.

... Doris Day:

by Anonymousreply 2404/23/2013

... and Jane Russell:

by Anonymousreply 2504/23/2013

I meant in [italic]their[/italic] stride.

by Anonymousreply 2604/23/2013

[quote]I completely disagree. Marilyn looks very 1950's. Taylor and Collins both looked more modern.

Don't be an idiot. Young Taylor and Collins have the makeup and haircut that was very popular in the '50s. Marilyn's beauty transcends the decades and that's why she continues to resonate with people. In 50 years, Taylor and Collins will just be a footnote in Hollywood history while Marilyn has become a myth. Deal.

by Anonymousreply 2704/23/2013

Of course! James Dean was THE heartthrob. His looks define what that term means even now. Anyone once labelled a "cute boy" actor --say Leo DiCaprio, James Franco or Brad Pitt-- always reminded people a little of James Dean, looks wise. (Also, he had beautiful full lips, sexy expressive eyes and great hair.)

by Anonymousreply 2804/23/2013

In certain shots in GIANT when James Dean portrayed the young Jett Rink while he was still a ranch hand, he reminded me of Brad Pitt.

by Anonymousreply 2904/23/2013

[quote] Young Taylor and Collins have the makeup and haircut that was very popular in the '50s.

Yes, in the fifties, they sported fifties styles, of course. But, I meant that they still look modern today whereas Monroe doesn’t.

Monroe’s look was so quintessentially fifties; I can’t imagine what she would’ve looked like in the sixties, when styles changed. In the sixties there were more beautiful and genuinely sexy women in Hollywood (Raquel Welch).

[quote]Marilyn's beauty transcends the decades and that's why she continues to resonate with people.

You sound clichéd. I find her plain. As I’ve already stated, I’ve never understood all the fuss about her.

[quote] In 50 years, Taylor and Collins will just be a footnote in Hollywood history

You’re very wrong here.

Taylor - no way, she is a Hollywood legend and one of the biggest movie stars ever. Collins - whilst beautiful, was never more than a B-lister.

But, you are completely mistaken if you think Taylor is a “footnote”.

[quote]while Marilyn has become a myth.

Because she died early. She wasn’t a good or even a decent actress. Monroe wouldn’t have been sanctified if it weren’t for her early death.

by Anonymousreply 3004/23/2013

A glimpse at 60's Marilyn, in the unfinished "Something's Gotta Give".

by Anonymousreply 3104/23/2013

[quote]Of course! James Dean was THE heartthrob. His looks define what that term means even now. Anyone once labelled a "cute boy" actor --say Leo DiCaprio, James Franco or Brad Pitt-- always reminded people a little of James Dean, looks wise. (Also, he had beautiful full lips, sexy expressive eyes and great hair.)

James Dean was 10x better looking than all three of them put together.

by Anonymousreply 3204/23/2013

The OP is an idiot. James Dean was quite handsome. He wasn't a big guy, but so what? He had such an unforgettable face. It was his intensity and sensitivity that made him stand out.

As for Marilyn...well, a lot of people have said that she was not a great beauty, not like Ava Gardner or Grace Kelly or Elizabeth Taylor. Look at early pictures of her; she was pretty enough, with reddish-brown, very curly hair and a rather bulbous nose. But what she did was transform herself into THE blonde sex symbol, the piece of ass that every man wanted to jump on. She BECAME beautiful, but it took a real effort on her part.

by Anonymousreply 3304/23/2013

R33, you make it sound like she had a major overhaul à la [i]The Swan[/i]. She merely had the bump at the tip of her nose cut off, her hairline raised by electrolysis (like Rita Hayworth), her teeth straightened, and her hair bleached. The blonde hair is what made the big difference. But she was still a knockout as brunette Norma Jeane. Otherwise, model scouts and photographers wouldn't have recruited her. During WWII she was voted by servicemen overseas as "the girl they would most like to examine."

by Anonymousreply 3404/23/2013

[quote]She BECAME beautiful, but it took a real effort on her part.

But, that was just it. You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear, scrub off all her makeup and the careful studio system lighting and the plastic surgery and she was decidedly average.

I had a long discussion about the plain Christina Hendricks on another thread; whom some thought beautiful, because they were looking at her image not her facial features.

by Anonymousreply 3504/23/2013

Both Dean and Brando seemed troubled, looking for someone to comfort them. I am very comfortable.

by Anonymousreply 3604/23/2013

James comfortin':

by Anonymousreply 3704/23/2013

James looked more vulnerable and expressive and less plastic than other leading men of his day.

To me Joan Collins is dated two ways -- the 50s way and the 80s way. She has an underbite and a silly cartoonish vamp persona that has aged poorly. Unlike Marilyn or Elizabeth Taylor, she never really lets go or has any fun.

by Anonymousreply 3804/23/2013

[quote]Unlike Marilyn or Elizabeth Taylor, she never really lets go or has any fun.

On the contrary, as has been discussed on the thread - "Joan Collins", she doesn't take herself seriously at all and oft makes jokes other celebrities wouldn't dare make.

I think she does her schtick because people want to see her be a glamorous bitch.

And she aged far better than Monroe and Taylor. She is eighty:

by Anonymousreply 3904/23/2013

"But she was still a knockout as brunette Norma Jeane. Otherwise, model scouts and photographers wouldn't have recruited her. During WWII she was voted by servicemen overseas as "the girl they would most like to examine"

She was pretty in an average way back then. It was her body that made photographers first take notice of her. She was working in some factory and a photographer named David Conover saw in her tight coveralls and decided she'd be a good model for soldiers to ogle. All those magazine covers she was on early in her career showcased her very voluptuous body; big breasts, big behind, big thighs, lots of flesh. She looked very ripe and sexual.

by Anonymousreply 4004/24/2013

Joan Collins talks about the time she rode with James:

by Anonymousreply 4104/25/2013

[quote]Both Dean and Brando seemed troubled, looking for someone to comfort them.

They often comforted each other:

by Anonymousreply 4204/25/2013

One of my favorite pics of Dean...pure sex.

by Anonymousreply 4312/15/2013

She seems genuinely happy here.

by Anonymousreply 4412/15/2013

OP means the porn star.

by Anonymousreply 4512/15/2013

yes OP. and i'm sure you're a reaaal looker to make such comments about James Dean.

by Anonymousreply 4612/15/2013

What is going on with the JD kissing guys photos? HOT!

by Anonymousreply 4712/15/2013

R43 is correct. James Dean was pure sex! Simply beautiful! All these years after his death and you can still smell the testosterone he exuded!!!!

by Anonymousreply 4812/15/2013

I always thought James Dean was a cutie,but his voice grates on my nerves.Thats why I never really got into him.There are some men,no matter how sexy or hot,who can open their mouths and ruin it for me.Anyone else have that problem?

by Anonymousreply 4912/15/2013

[quote]People without inner beauty age badly, they look hardened and worn as they get older, people who take life in it's stride age the best.

Sometimes I really can't believe how vapid some of you are.

by Anonymousreply 5012/15/2013

His hair and voice had a lot to do with how his looks were perceived. He epitomized the good looking bad boy for a whole generation.

by Anonymousreply 5112/15/2013

[quote]I had a long discussion about the plain Christina Hendricks on another thread; whom some thought beautiful, because they were looking at her image not her facial features.

It's funny you should make this comparison, because I've long thought that, features-wise and in bone structure, Hendricks resembles Marilyn rather strikingly.

by Anonymousreply 5212/15/2013

I don't get the obsession, I'm 59 and I never saw the attraction.I don't think he was a good actor and a rebel without a cause just sounds annoying, like someone you would hate to have living next door.

by Anonymousreply 5312/15/2013

I enjoyed his sausage several times but I couldn't get rid of the aftertaste.

by Anonymousreply 5412/15/2013

"There are some men,no matter how sexy or hot,who can open their mouths and ruin it for me.Anyone else have that problem?"

I hear ya! I, too, am a superficial douchebag with no hope of ever being loved!!!

by Anonymousreply 5512/15/2013

I can see why James was celebrated for his looks, and I also think he was a good actor in the Montgomery Clift vein. But I agree with those saying James wouldn't have aged well, and being short is also a personal turn off for me. I prefer Brando just for his physicality, big and muscular.

by Anonymousreply 5612/15/2013

I knew James Dean when he was a little boy, he was a very finicky eater. No eggs, green beans, radishes, pimento loaf sandwiches, lindburger cheese, rice yum yums, slow poke suckers, Micky flips, spam, cottage cheese. We didn't know what to feed him. His grandpa Ezra said "Jimmy you'll grow up to be a cranky shorty if you don't eat better". And darned if he didn't.

by Anonymousreply 5712/15/2013

Have you watched him in film OP? I like his stills, but sometimes it takes seeing his movement or expressions to understand his appeal. And again as others have said, he had presence, an internal flame, just as Marilyn Monroe.

That period of time gave us a wide variety of leading man looks...today, many look like they were cast from a mold.

by Anonymousreply 5812/15/2013

He was rugged, handsome, charismatic and he liked the homosex! Gay icon!

by Anonymousreply 5912/15/2013

I have to agree with OP on this one. Dean has never done anything for me, especially his self-conscious, mumbling performances. No doubt, though, that he resonated with the youth of the 50s. And, as with Marilyn, who I do "get", has achieved legendary status due to his early death.

by Anonymousreply 6012/15/2013
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