Fucking Repukes blocked the gun bill
President Obama is kicking ass in his news conference
|by Anonymous||reply 88||04/17/2013|
Great speech, they should all be ashamed.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||04/17/2013|
Especially Harry Reid.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||04/17/2013|
Ooooh, he's making a speech! That'll show them! He could have used his bully pulpit to rally the American people behind the bill, but instead he's scolding the repukes like a tired old school marm. That Obama is quite the barn burner!
|by Anonymous||reply 3||04/17/2013|
Fuck you, R3...
|by Anonymous||reply 4||04/17/2013|
[R3] He has been speaking about this for weeks and the public is in favor of the background checks. You are a FOOL !
|by Anonymous||reply 5||04/17/2013|
Rally the public? The public that is 90% in favor of this bill?!
The Whitehouse has been all over this issue, the Congress is just disgusting and should be ashamed of themselves.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||04/17/2013|
Is it possible for this man to ever stop campaigning? Does he realize he can't run for a third term? His arrogance is astounding.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||04/17/2013|
Time for an executive order. I say it's time to take EVERYBODY'S guns.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||04/17/2013|
You are not wanted here, freeper. Get the fuck lost.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||04/17/2013|
Man, was he pissed!!!! I love his passion about this and I know this won't be the end! I fucking hate the NRA!
|by Anonymous||reply 10||04/17/2013|
R7 - Do you even know what you are talking about? You sound like a fucking fool! That "arrogance" is justifiable anger.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||04/17/2013|
No, R2. ESPECIALLY THE REPUBLICANS.
Let's keep the focus on the group that is actually committing the crime.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||04/17/2013|
R7 really wanted to say "uppity" instead of "arrogance."
|by Anonymous||reply 13||04/17/2013|
Harry Reid is fucking useless.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||04/17/2013|
R3, he's speaking for what the American people want. I know you're a troll, but isn't that what our elected officials are supposed to do?
|by Anonymous||reply 15||04/17/2013|
If Obama stayed in the Oval Office, working 24/7 and never appearing in public, R7 would say he wasn't doing anything.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||04/17/2013|
but I thought the bill didn't pass the Senate?
There were at least six dems who voted against it.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||04/17/2013|
His anger just doesn't touch me. He has been more than willing to let the republicans set the agendas for five years now, run congress, run the country. Chained CPI, veterans healthcare, gays in the military (remember the Justice department's hands-off policies while he was "evolving" on gay issues?) The list goes on. Are we out of Iraq? Are we still funding useless wars? Is Guantanamo still open?
Obama is weak and I do not trust any of his words any more. Today he is for curbing gun violence, but not with any really meaningful law changes. So, whine away and posture some more for the cameras, Mr. President. The Republicans don't respect you, don't think you can carry water; it isn't that they don't like you because you are half-Black.
And you are not leading the Democrats who are scared you will hang them out to dry.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||04/17/2013|
Exactly r3. Potent the president is not.
Obama plays chess while everyone else plays checkers, MY ASS!
|by Anonymous||reply 19||04/17/2013|
R18 please let me know what mainstream politician with an actual shot at the presidency would have honestly been able to do all of those things. Actually, don't bother, because there isn't one. You're made at how our government works and have focused that on hating Obama for reasons I can only guess at.
I appreciate that your worldview is naive, but look into trying to influence change in how money controls elections, etc, etc, before you decide the Constitution says the President can do whatever he wants and it shall be so.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||04/17/2013|
Good address. Now the blame can be firmly put on Republicans where it belongs.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||04/17/2013|
A press conference so Obama can stamp his little feet.
That will show'em.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||04/17/2013|
Well, we think its pretty clear both sides of the aisle couldn't put aside partisanship and make a deal.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||04/17/2013|
It would be amazing (and well-deserved) if every last member in the Senate was voted out of office. I don't care if they voted for that watered down bill...the whole body is fucking useless.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||04/17/2013|
He was pissed, the 90 percent is pissed, R21 is right.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||04/17/2013|
Four Democrats voted against universal background checks for gun purchases.
Background checks are supported by more than 90% of Americans, and three of these Senators are up for re-election in 2014. Let's get some Dems to replace those NRA-supporters.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||04/17/2013|
I'm sure the republicans are shaking in their boots.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||04/17/2013|
Again, FUCK YOU, freeper at R22. Begone, yeah?
|by Anonymous||reply 28||04/17/2013|
Democratic Sens. Mark Pryor (AK), Max Baucus (MT), Mark Begich (AK) and Heidi Heitkamp (ND) voted against the amendment. Let's get them out of Washington and replace them with Democrats who aren't owned by the NRA.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||04/17/2013|
Not to defend Alaska here, but we only bear NRA-ass-kissing responsibility for Mark Begich, not Mark Pryor (he is Arkansas' headache).
|by Anonymous||reply 30||04/17/2013|
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|by Anonymous||reply 31||04/17/2013|
Agreed R29, they are disgusting cowards.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||04/17/2013|
How do you think Heidi got elected in the first place r29? She ran as a conservative Dem.
A slightly more liberal senate candidate had no chance of winning North Dakota.
Same with Pryor, Baucus, and Begich.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||04/17/2013|
Personally, I am in favour of the background checks, even though I am firmly on the side of the 2nd amendment in the broader argument. This speech, more than anything, shows that Obama is not a strong leader. Background checks should have been a slam dunk. Obama doesn't risk getting his hands dirty, but is oh so quick to criticize anyone with opinions contrary to his agenda AFTER THE VOTE.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||04/17/2013|
Whatever R34, the country is on the side of the President and the Sandy Hook families.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||04/17/2013|
Sens. Mark Pryor of Arkansas, Max Baucus of Montana, and Mark Begich of Alaska — face re-election races next year.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||04/17/2013|
If Obama can't get this passed after the Newtown tragedy, then he does not know how to use the bully pulpit effectively.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||04/17/2013|
Michael Bloomberg, the co-chair of Mayors Against Illegal Guns, blasted Democrats who voted against the Toomey-Manchin amendment.
“Today’s vote is a damning indictment of the stranglehold that special interests have on Washington,” he said in a statement.
“More than 40 U.S. senators would rather turn their backs on the 90 percent of Americans who support comprehensive background checks than buck the increasingly extremist wing of the gun lobby. Democrats – who are so quick to blame Republicans for our broken gun laws – could not stand united. And Republicans – who are so quick to blame Democrats for not being tough enough on crime – handed criminals a huge victory, by preserving their ability to buy guns illegally at gun shows and online and keeping the illegal trafficking market well-fed.”
|by Anonymous||reply 38||04/17/2013|
R35 - If that is true, why didn't this pass? Answer: politicians, including dear leader, are afraid of losing votes.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||04/17/2013|
The Republicans don't fear him and certainly don't respect him. Sameo, sameo. And he threw Granny under the bus for these fuckers. Useless tool.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||04/17/2013|
Duh, r36. Why do you think they voted NO!
They're all from red states.
Montana can be purple, but not when it comes to gun rights.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||04/17/2013|
People are sick of the GOP and this will make it worse for them. Good, they deserve scorn.
Too many Freepers in this thread.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||04/17/2013|
Why isn't it possible for passionate liberals to remind the voters about these jerks in an effective campaign?
Voter should never ever vote based on polititians' election campaign promises and instead look at their past voting records (NOT the lame excuses or half baked explanations).
|by Anonymous||reply 43||04/17/2013|
Why do you Koolaid drinkers always accuse anyone who dares criticize Obama of being a "freeper"? There are plenty of good and true Democrats who are not enamored of the President.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||04/17/2013|
You people are idiots. No Republican will lose his seat for not voting for this useless bill. On the other hand Dems is western, southern and rural states definitely would have lost for voting for it.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||04/17/2013|
Want to bet more of those who voted for it our voted out than voted against it? Poor Baracky LOL
|by Anonymous||reply 46||04/17/2013|
Great R8 you idiot. I want to be there when you walk through the hood collecting guns.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||04/17/2013|
Bunch of Dems voted no too. Nothing in the bill would have prevented Newtown.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||04/17/2013|
R47 - I second that.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||04/17/2013|
R8 is dumb.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||04/17/2013|
[quote]There are plenty of good and true Democrats who are not enamored of the President.
And they feel the need to attack the president in cases like this where the general public is on his side? These so-called Democrats should ask themselves: Why are we Democrats again? We sure act like Republican douchebags.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||04/17/2013|
The NRA is thrilled that kids will be slaughtered for years to come! Way to go, Republicans!
|by Anonymous||reply 52||04/17/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 53||04/17/2013|
R51...please shut-up about the general public. Senators and Reps represent states and districts, not the general public.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||04/17/2013|
The root cause for background checks not getting through is Obama does not know the difference between campaigning and leading.
Before a basement dweller does troll-dar and tries to point it out: YES I believe in the 2nd Amendment, but I do believe background checks are a part of the solution.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||04/17/2013|
"Want to bet more of those who voted for it our voted out than voted against it?"
You want to try that again, in English this time?
Stupid piece of shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||04/17/2013|
r54, you are clearly mistaken. Senators and Reps represent lobbies and their (own) interests.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||04/17/2013|
So r29, you want to primary them in red states. That should work out well.
Their republican foes wouldn't be able to contain their glee.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||04/17/2013|
I third that, and I'll bring the popcorn.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||04/17/2013|
[quote]He could have used his bully pulpit to rally the American people behind the bill,
Honey-bunch, 90% of the electorate is ALREADY behind the fucking thing! are you stoned?
|by Anonymous||reply 60||04/17/2013|
R60 90%? Perhaps one should look at the blunt in one's hand before casting a stone.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||04/17/2013|
America's love affair with violence and religion put us closer to a Middle Eastern nation than to many other more progressive Western nations.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||04/17/2013|
There were R's that voted for this like McCain & others.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||04/17/2013|
Honey bunch, that figure is pure bullshit....
If it was true, the bill would have sailed through.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||04/17/2013|
[quote]Dems is western, southern and rural states definitely would have lost for voting for it.
But they ARE voting for it, Blanche! They ARE!
They're not afraid of the NRA morons. They are listening to 90 percent of all Americans.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||04/17/2013|
Another thread highlighting how uneducated the flyovers are. Disgusting.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||04/17/2013|
R66. Oh sweetie. Where are you to be so incredibly enlightened?
|by Anonymous||reply 67||04/17/2013|
R3 here...boy, you apologists jump out of your skin with knee jerk reactions when anybody dares to suggest Obama has been a weakling.
New flash...he's a weakling. Worse, he's a conservative in democrat clothing.
Let's ask the uncharged prisoners at guantanomo...who were just subjected to a violent take down of their hunger strike...what a great liberal Obama is. Or the people on social security.
He's the freeper, kids. Get over yourselves.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||04/17/2013|
I was very impressed with his remarks today. I thought he was very effective. What I have to look at, though, is the failure of messaging.
This is not his problem,and I'm not criticizing the PResident, rather his organization. This is definitely his organization's problem.
Right now we're in a precarious position. We may be in the shitter next year. There are a number of Democrats in the Senate who are retiring, or who are up for re-election.
There is a very good chance that after the 2014 elections, we will be even weaker than we are now. I'm concerned because I can see similarities with gun control legislation, and the healthcare debate.
The opposition (NRA)frames and defines the issue, tells blatant lies to the American people, and gets away with it bcz there's no rebuttal. There is no clarity, just muddle.
Back then, we seemed blindsided when Scott Brown won Teddy Kennedy's seat, and no one realized it was a harbinger of things to come in 2010.
Obama's campaign organization is mobilized better this time, but unless they really take the initiative and control the messaging, he will have more and more problems. 2014 should be his to own.
He needs to get rid of the obstructionists and he can only do that with a full mobilization and a clear message. Hopefully some good will come out of today's defeat. I think the public is ready to mobilize. I think they need support from his ground troops.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||04/17/2013|
Obama's fatal miscalculation here was brazenly and cravenly, if that's possible, usage of the grieving Newton families to forward a manipulative, emotional argument when the issue should have been debated loudly and clearly, on its merits, certainly not feelings. It's Politics 101.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||04/17/2013|
R69...you're living in a dream world. HE'S the obstructionist. He makes lovely speeches to his base, then negotiates something completely different with the repukes. And people like you still fall for it because you will not accept that he's conservative.
The democrats can only do so much if the president won't take the lead in establishing a liberal fighting stance. You start from a position of strength, not weakness. Obama always gives up everything at the beginning of negotiations. The background check was the LEAST Obama could do, and he always positions himself as the advocate of that position. The democrats take their lead from him; if he's a weakling who capitulates, they will follow. And they have.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||04/17/2013|
Great post R18. ITA with you. Also I wish Obama showed a fraction of this passion for the Americans suffering and dying from poverty every day, oh but that's not popular so Obama doesn't give a damn. More people will die from poverty each year than from all the gun deaths put together only most of them will suffer for a longer time first.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||04/17/2013|
He doesn't know how to lead. When he meets with Rethugs, he begins by giving them what they want, then sits down to discuss a "compromise" on what else he'll give them in return for nearly nothing.
He spent his entire first year in the Oval Office waiting for The Consensus. The DADT repeal almost went down the drain. It was rescued at the last minute by Reid and Pelosi.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||04/17/2013|
R72...the posters here don't give a shit about the poor, or guantanomo, or drones, or social security. The sad reality is this; the great success of the "Reagan legacy" has been to move virtually everyone to the conservative perspective, including most democrats. Everyone just cares about their own status, and getting ahead. All the liberal causes have been thrown in a trash pile. Obama is the symbol of just how far the democrats have turned into pseudo-republicans.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||04/17/2013|
I see all the reasons on why Obama was not strong in sending his message but there was NO reason to not support the bill. We have an inept Congress
|by Anonymous||reply 75||04/17/2013|
The Republican Response:
|by Anonymous||reply 76||04/17/2013|
R70 makes it sound like Obama forced them to come forward.
I never ever want to hear from a woman who regrets having an abortion discuss abortion. People who have been affected by legislation have no business talking about that legislation.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||04/17/2013|
......Marching in lockstep beneath a banner that now stands for "Guardians of Privilege" -- GOP
Welcome to the end of the republic.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||04/17/2013|
Funny how Obama didn't get all worked up about the Boston bombings.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||04/17/2013|
Obama should have mentioned vile Rand Paul by name and then read off the names of every fucking Repug and the four Dopey Dems that voted it down.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||04/17/2013|
Mark Pryor just said that Obama called, but didn't press him at all.
Was Obama expecting enough repugs to cross over?
|by Anonymous||reply 81||04/17/2013|
What a bunch of CHICKEN-SHIT SENATORS!
|by Anonymous||reply 82||04/17/2013|
So, R81, is Pryor blaming the President for *not* strong-arming him, that if only Obama had browbeat enough Democratic fence-sitters and Republican loons, the measure would have passed?
OMG, way to pass the fucking buck, asshole.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||04/17/2013|
Joe Biden looks like he's having a nervous breakdown in the background.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||04/17/2013|
What did the idiot think they were going to do? Compromising got him nowhere.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||04/17/2013|
OP, the speech isn't necessarily going to be able to do much. The NRA won. They blocked the vote.
The only thing that will change is if voters throw out Republicans from Congress in 2014.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||04/17/2013|
[quote]Democratic Sens. Mark Pryor (AK), Max Baucus (MT), Mark Begich (AK) and Heidi Heitkamp (ND) voted against the amendment.
The first 3 are up for re-election next year. Not surprised.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||04/17/2013|
They put their re-election over American Lives and doing what's right.
Typical slimy spineless politicians.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||04/17/2013|