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Joan Rivers & her husband Edgar

I was listening to one of Howard Stern's interviews with her the other day, and it sounded like she really did not care for that husband of hers at all. She cheated on him several times, and even left him for another man once.

What was the story there? I've heard that Edgar was a closet case.

I never cared much for Joan, but her life seems so interesting. I get the overwhelming impression that she is incredibly bitter and angry, though.

by Anonymousreply 11401/29/2015

If you've never read the first installment of her autobiography, [italic]Enter Talking,[/italic] it's a great read.

If memory serves, she wrote that the love of her life was a bohemian type she dated after she first left home to pursue acting in Manhattan. (She played a lesbian in her first play, opposite Barbra Streisand, whose character her character was in love with.) After a while, her domineering parents forced her to move home and get a respectable job under threat of being committed to a psych ward.

Her first marriage, to a department-store heir who met with her parents' approval, was unhappy too -- it lasted half a year (she had it annulled because he didn't want kids).

Factoring in her protracted struggle to make it in comedy, I think she was really cynical and hard by the time she met Edgar.

by Anonymousreply 904/06/2013

Wasn't Melissa born three years after Joan and Edgar were married?

by Anonymousreply 1104/06/2013

Edgar was Joan's manager, producer, advisor, guide, protector, and emotional and moral support. I got the feeling from her documentary that she relied on him to fight her battles, get the gigs, and make things happen. When he committed suicide, it was basically an abandonment of his duties. That's why she was so bitter and angry about it. Whatever love Joan had for Edgar, it wasn't romantic love, but one that you have for someone who supports and cares for you no matter what.

by Anonymousreply 1204/06/2013

Yes, R11, according to Wikipedia.

by Anonymousreply 1304/06/2013

Is Melissa really Edgar's daughter?

by Anonymousreply 1404/06/2013

Joan and Edgar married on 15 July 1965. Melissa was born on 20 January 1968.

by Anonymousreply 1504/06/2013

We know Joan and Melissa lie about their age.

And ANYONE can post something on Wikipedia.

by Anonymousreply 1604/06/2013

If her husband knew how much she paid on plastic surgery he'd kill himself all over again.

by Anonymousreply 1704/06/2013

R16. Do you also believe that the U.S. conspired to knock down the Twin Towers and kill the people in the buildings the 11th of September 2001?

by Anonymousreply 1804/06/2013

The tea in Philly was that Edgar and his gay business partner/best friend Tommy Pileggi were lovers, at least at the beginning. Edgar spent a tremendous amount of time in Philly(this was when the Rosenbergs were LA based)and of course Melissa went to Penn.

I don't think there is any doubt that Melissa is Edgar's biological child; and, that is not a compliment. She has spent 1/3 of her life trying to alter her looks to rid the likeness she received from both of them. She still is pretty fug.

I know committing suicide when you have a wife and daughter to clean up the mess, so to speak, is selfish and cowardly. But I always felt it was really cold that she changed her name almost immediately from Melissa Rosenberg to Melissa Rivers. I don't think that was all about name recognition and show biz. I think it was a way to stick the shiv in Daddy for what he did.

by Anonymousreply 1904/06/2013

Enough discussing this republican cunt!

by Anonymousreply 2004/06/2013

Oh god, the "tea"

by Anonymousreply 2104/06/2013

[quote]I always feel weirdly sorry for Joan, because she's a smart woman

By saying that Democrats hate America, and want to ban the Pledge of Alleigence. She's a dumb motherfucker. Can't wait til she croaks. She's a waste of space.

by Anonymousreply 2204/06/2013

[21] Darjeeling dear.

by Anonymousreply 2304/06/2013

I remember Joan and Edgar getting kicked out of an office building on Robertson Bl. in WeHo back in the 70s for putting up posters of her Rabbit Test movie in the elevators. She's okay. I never got the idea Edgar was more than a business manager for her. He tried to fuck Fox and Fox fucked her. She had to go back to the clubs. Pissed. That's when he did it.

by Anonymousreply 2504/06/2013

R24, maybe it was a long gestation, similar to an elephant's.

by Anonymousreply 2604/06/2013

Melissa Rivers is not ugly. She's very attractive, and could have easily been a model back when she was younger. The surgery comes from years of being viciously torn apart by people who are clearly jealous of her stature in the business. But she was incredibly gorgeous in her twenties.

Joan is a nice, down to earth person. You really do learn how to separate the act from reality. She's one of the nicest celebrities you will ever meet.

by Anonymousreply 2704/06/2013

I wish to God I could find this entire movie somewhere!! And I hate to admit it--I mean REALLY hate to admit it--but Melissa actually used to be an attractive girl.

by Anonymousreply 2804/06/2013

^ For the people in that other thread who don't know what camp is -- this definitely qualifies.

by Anonymousreply 2904/06/2013

R27, if my face weren't so full of Botox, your post would have been the best laugh I would have had all day!

by Anonymousreply 3004/06/2013

"I get the overwhelming impression that she is incredibly bitter and angry"

That's the act -- without the bitterness, Joan would have no act. Just like most all comedians, she's a self-hater.

by Anonymousreply 3104/06/2013

Most comics are complex, miserable souls who have somehow managed to squeeze five minutes of laughs out of their sad and depressing lives.

by Anonymousreply 3204/06/2013

Calling Melissa Rivers "very attractive" is like calling a ham sandwich "haute cuisine."

by Anonymousreply 3304/06/2013

Melissa is attractive. Even with all the face work done, she still looks good and could pass for Sandra Bullock any day of the week. And she's a very smart businesswoman too. She practically runs the Rivers empire.

People love to take shots at her, but they don't realize what an incredibly smart businesswoman she is. Of course, she inherited all of that from Joan.

by Anonymousreply 3404/06/2013

My take has always been that Joan probably is bitter and angry but she acts much more bitter and angry and bitchy than she actually is because doing that gave her a second career chance.

by Anonymousreply 3504/06/2013

I suppose businesswoman fits Melissa since she certainly never made it as an actor. There's no greater proof that their WEtv "reality" show is staged than her flat line-readings.

by Anonymousreply 3604/06/2013

It is me or does Half-Pint and Melissa Rivers kinda look alike?

by Anonymousreply 3704/06/2013

Well Sandy Bullock's probably gone to the same face docs as Melissa. Sandy was no beauty either. She was fug as the day is long when she was younger.

by Anonymousreply 3804/06/2013

Melissa Rivers walks into a bar, and bartender says, "Hey Melissa--why the long face?"

by Anonymousreply 3904/06/2013

I just don't see how on earth Joan Rivers could be a Republican. That blows my mind. It shows a serious disconnect between her and reality.

by Anonymousreply 4004/06/2013

R39. Tat was Cher. Sorry

by Anonymousreply 4104/06/2013

She was so much funnier when Waylon Flowers had his hand stuck up her ass...

by Anonymousreply 4204/06/2013


by Anonymousreply 4304/06/2013

You bumped a thread after seven minutes?

by Anonymousreply 4404/06/2013

R27, I completely agree with your first paragraph. Not so much the second. No one with any self concept messes up her face like Joan has. And, sadly, Melissa may have gotten her dad's business acumen, but she appears to have gotten her mother's sense of self, with the way she's screwing up her face, too.

by Anonymousreply 4504/06/2013

Okay, Melissa Rivers isn't friggin Mona Lisa and Meryl Streep rolled into one. But is that reason enough to hate her so much?

by Anonymousreply 4604/06/2013

I don't hate her, but I read a profile of her early on, back in the 80s when she was in high school or college. She came off as really snooty and on guard against people who wanted to befriend her under false pretenses ("because of my mom"). She's wooden, appears to have awful choice in men, and is talent-free, at least in front of the camera.

by Anonymousreply 4704/06/2013

Joan and Melissa are far from attractive and that's the reason Joan is bitter, but it made her rich and famous. She has spent her life ripping apart the beautiful. Their reality show is terrible. Totally scripted and badly so. As Joan is alive Melissa will never find a man good enough to pass Momma's muster. First and foremost he has to be rich, really rich. From the documentary, she seems obsessed with money.

by Anonymousreply 4804/07/2013

Melissa's son is a cutie and seems unspoiled (until Joan comes around) I am ambivalent about Melissa. It would be tough to be Joan's daughter and be worried about why people really like you. I feel bad for her about her boyfriend too. He seemed nice enough and got along well with her son. I hope she finds another guy.

by Anonymousreply 4904/07/2013

Ha r51, even better than that scene is the name of the person who posted it "willnotbeignored1" Brilliant. It has to be one of us.

by Anonymousreply 5204/07/2013

I've recently seen things of her talking about Edgar's suicide and how Melissa got the call informing them. She says that Melissa was 15 years old, but the numbers don't add up. Melissa would've been 19 in '87. What's up with that?

by Anonymousreply 5304/07/2013

I just watched the five minute clip that someone posted upthread and Joan was talking to (DL fave) Dorothy Lyman in it and said that Melissa was 19 when it happened. So I guess she was.

by Anonymousreply 5404/07/2013

Fuck you and the Melissa Rivers you rode in on.

by Anonymousreply 5504/07/2013

People magazine said she was 19 when she got the phone call, r54. Probably another attempt by Joan to erase some years.

The People story from 1987 gives an account of Edgar's failing health and career before his suicide.

by Anonymousreply 5604/07/2013

Oh thanks for the link r56. I'm gonna go read that now.

by Anonymousreply 5704/07/2013

[quote]Melissa Rivers is not ugly. She's very attractive, and could have easily been a model back when she was younger.

Puhlease. Even before started getting plastic surgery she still had her mom's natural, aged, drawn horseface. Now she just looks like her mother did before the last (terrifying) round of surgery that makes Joan look like she's wearing a permanent mask. That's what M.R. has to look forward to... forever in Mommy's shadow, eh Melissa?

by Anonymousreply 5804/07/2013

"I just don't see how on earth Joan Rivers could be a Republican."

In 2000 on her WOR radio show, Joan said she was a Republican purely because of taxes -- she "votes her pocketbook." Very "NY Republican," and in 2000, that meant she was voting for W.

Joan is a liberal on most issues like abortion and gay rights. Except for lesbians, she's very wary of lesbians because she seems to be afraid that they're interested in her.

by Anonymousreply 5904/07/2013

Melissa looks like Sara Silverman, ratlike with a dumb dot of a postsurgery nose.

by Anonymousreply 6004/07/2013

What's the real story re Melissa's divorce fron the horse trainer, John Endicott? I can ony imagine having Joan for a mother in-law made his life Hell. The divorce financial settlement is under seal so I'm assuming Melissa had to pay him off.

by Anonymousreply 6104/07/2013

[quote]What's the real story re Melissa's divorce from the horse trainer, John Endicott?

He kept trying to ride her.

by Anonymousreply 6204/07/2013

You're correct #28, Melissa was absolutely cute in that movie. She's totally fucked up her face with chicklet teeth, an overly wide smile, huge cheek bones & a prominent jaw. It's obvious she used Joan's plastic surgeon as they now look like twins.

by Anonymousreply 6304/07/2013

Every time I'm reminded of Missy Rivers' ex-husband being a horse trainer I pee a little.

by Anonymousreply 6404/07/2013

If you're REALLY fucking bored, here's an interview with the talking horse herself. The interviewer kisses her ass as if she's a huge star (asking why paparazzi don't pester her--HA!), and it's fun listening to Melissa try and act as if she's earned her place in the world at 21:20...

by Anonymousreply 6504/07/2013

"I do a lot of cameos as me." Ugh. Smell her.

by Anonymousreply 6604/07/2013

R59 I've noticed that too-she doesn't seem to like lesbians at all by the things she's said about them.

by Anonymousreply 6704/07/2013

Didn't he mishandle her finances?

by Anonymousreply 6804/07/2013

"Except for lesbians, she's very wary of lesbians because she seems to be afraid that they're interested in her."


by Anonymousreply 6904/07/2013

I've told this story a few times on DL but I just can't resist. I went to Melissa's coming out party many, many years back. It was in Beverly Hills and 3,000 people were invited. Joan, Edgar and Melissa were all in white. These "friends" all were exchanging bitchy remarks about how unattractive Melissa was and how totally nouveau riche the Rosenbergs were. I really wondered if Joan understood how much bad taste and viciousness her own comedy inspired.

It is interesting that she seems to have gotten over Edgar's death much more quickly than the Carson fiasco. I saw a bit on ET this week where she goes to a memorial plaque of his and essentially spits on it after tearfully recounting how he gave her a career. Did that air on her show yet? I can't bring myself to watch it.

by Anonymousreply 7104/07/2013

Coming out party??

by Anonymousreply 7204/07/2013


by Anonymousreply 7304/07/2013

Well, it was her 16th birthday party. Note that there seemed to be no one of her age there, certainly not any of her female peers.

by Anonymousreply 7404/07/2013

I don't much like Joan and Melissa on their various TV projects--however, they're very interesting and likeable in the Rivers documentary.

by Anonymousreply 7504/07/2013

I can't imagine M.R. having friends. Can you?

by Anonymousreply 7604/07/2013

In one episode she put her ridiculous apartment up for sale. She asked $25 million for an apartment with a Formica galley kitchen. Of course she had no intention of selling, just see of anyone was interested. No one was.

by Anonymousreply 7704/07/2013

How much money does she need? She's over the top obsessed with money and making money.

by Anonymousreply 7804/07/2013

Did Ed & Joan ever do anal?

by Anonymousreply 7904/07/2013

I've always loved Joan. And I have nothing against Melissa; she sort of gets a bad rap because people think she had everything handed to her. But whatever, we can debate that aspect of her life forever.

However, I am very surprised that Joan wasn't mortified and that Melissa dated Vivid porn exec Steve Hirsch. I don't know, I thought Joan and Melissa had more class than that. Dating the head of Vivid porn is pretty trashy.

by Anonymousreply 8104/07/2013

I remember Joan lashing out at people who dissed her entertaining. They were saying how she lives with formal livery and all that like Madame Pompadour with all her "Louis" furniture. And Joan said "If they don't like the way I entertainment, don't come to my home, don't eat my croissants."

by Anonymousreply 8204/07/2013

Melissa dated the head of Vivid porn? I like Joan and Melissa, but that's totally friggin classless and embarrassing. What's wrong with Melissa?

I read an interview a while back when Joan was quoted to say that she was initially embarrassed among her show business friends to be on 'Celebrity Apprentice.' How the hell did she happen to rationalize her daughter dating the porn guy? Did she think that was okay just because the guy is rich?

by Anonymousreply 8404/07/2013

So everything Joan said in that grotesque TV movie where she played herself with her hopeless pugly daughter who was so desperate she took her mother's surname to piggyback off her was all a LIE? Oh Joan.

by Anonymousreply 8504/07/2013

Did anyone see her documentary? I thought it made her seem more humble and even compassionate than her public persona.

She has to work for a living and so she falls back on her shtick PF being a miserable bitch because it pays the bills.

by Anonymousreply 8604/07/2013

Shortly after Edgar's suicide, some comedian made a joke about it along the lines of "it wasn't suicide, it was an escape clause" and Joan freaked, saying it was vicious, distasteful, etc etc but soon Joan was using the same material. I supposed you could argue that it is wrong for others to joke about it but okay for the parties directly involved (gallows humor as a coping mechanism) but Joan has always seemed to be able to dish it out but not take it. Case in point, it's okay for her to make fun of people but whenever anyone criticized Melissa, she would go ballistic.

by Anonymousreply 8704/07/2013

I saw it r86 and I agree with you. Despite being so wealthy, she does work for it and is the definition of a working woman. My god her jokes filed on index cards by subject was crazy! She seems to like to work as is obvious since she doesn't need to anymore.

by Anonymousreply 8804/07/2013

[quote]My god her jokes filed on index cards by subject was crazy!

I think that's standard for comics of a certain age (e.g., Carson).

by Anonymousreply 8904/07/2013

R87 and yet Joan makes fun of people all the time right after they die. She's such a hypocrite.

by Anonymousreply 9004/07/2013

Hmm r89, I suppose you are right. I guess I just assumed that she kind of kept her material in her head though she's been at it for so long that that's a lot of head space. I just never thought there would be such an intricate system, by category and not year, though it makes sense when you say it. I think she said she was leaving them to Melissa, too bad because that would be a cool thing to be displayed somewhere.

I never thought Melissa was really trying to be in the limelight, it seems like she would prefer to just raise her kid but then she would get shit for not working and living off of Mom. I remember one episode of Joan knows Best when Joan mentioned that Natalie Portman was Melissa's neighbor and Melissa was kind of pissed because Natalie doesn't really advertise where she lives. It seemed genuine to me but I could be wrong.

by Anonymousreply 9104/07/2013

Seeing Joan in that old movie like the Hollywood squares gig, she wasn't ugly. Did she really think she was? She looks odd now but she was as cute as anyone back then. Not a model but a nice looking lady comedian, skinny, cute figure. I guess you do get fucking warped by being among so many gorgeous people. Melissa was cute too.

by Anonymousreply 9204/08/2013

I have some Joan Rivers stuff to share.

comedian, Ben Stein thinks Joan is disgusting. He said when Edgar died, she miked his death as much as she could and used it to her advantage by gaining as much attention as possible. He said she is a disturbing phony.

I remember that TV movie starring Joan and her daughter about Edgar's death. Melissa can off like a very snobby rich kid brat! I remember in one scene, Joan had a boyfriend over and Melissa bragged how lavish her father was.

I remebr in an interview, Joan said she told her daughter to lie about her age. She said you have to in this bussiness and most do.

I think Joan put a lot of pressure on Edgar to live a certain lifestyle. I remember watching another interview which she said Edgar knew she immensely loved Faberge and he bought her antique Carl Faberge egg pendants ,which run in the tens of thousands of dollars, and jewels. Then Joan plays the I hate you Edgar for what did BS.

I shared this story before on DL. My brother had a friend who worked as a security guard for some 5 star restaurant in Los Angeles.The owner wanted a security guard in the restaurant because of his high profile clientele who did not want to be bothered by Paparazzi. My brother's friend met many famous people who dinned at the high end restaurant. One day Joan came into the restaurant with her little dog sitting there at a booth with her dog barking up a storm. Others who were dining there complained to the manager about the barking. So, the manager of the restaurant asked , the security guard, my brother's friend, if he could ask Joan to take her dog out of the restaurant. My brother's friend went to Joan, and very politely asked her could she take the dog outside. She asked why, and he said her dog was making a lot of noise and bothering other diners. She snapped at him and said, don't you know who I am! I'm Joan Rivers! He said to her, Well don't you know who I am? I'm security and I'm asking you to please take your dog outside. She snapped again and said I'm leaving!!

BTW, I highly doubt Joan is a Republican. She cuts done Republican politicians a lot.

by Anonymousreply 9304/08/2013

You hardly want to believe she's a Republican, but it's an established fact that she is.

by Anonymousreply 9404/08/2013

How can Melissa lie about her age when Joan appeared on national tv on the Ed Sullivan show nine months pregnant with Melissa in early 1968?

[quote]In 1968, when Joan appeared on the show nine months pregnant, she wasn’t allowed by censors to say the word “pregnant”. "I could never say pregnant. I wasn’t at all risqué in those days,” she remembers, “but he was very worried about me because I was a woman.” When Joan’s daughter Melissa was born, the Sullivans were named her godparents.

by Anonymousreply 9604/08/2013

[quote]However, I am very surprised that Joan wasn't mortified and that Melissa dated Vivid porn exec Steve Hirsch. I don't know, I thought Joan and Melissa had more class than that. Dating the head of Vivid porn is pretty trashy

He passed the only important test, the credit check. Melissa is also friends and I mean real friends, not show biz friends, with Joe Francis,the "Girls Gone Wild" owner. Anyone see next week's promo for their reality show where Joan walks in on Melissa getting laid with the gorgeous Brit she imported from central Casting? Melissa is on top! Melissa is livid but I smell Emmy!

by Anonymousreply 9704/08/2013

[quote]I remember her telling me a story about Joan blowing her nose into a Kleenex and then attempting to hand it to her. When this makeup girl refused to touch the snot rag, Joan apparently freaked on her.

lol! That's a good one, kudos to the girl. Sadly that's the thing many are expected to, but she's a makeup artist.

by Anonymousreply 9804/08/2013


by Anonymousreply 9904/08/2013

[quote]comedian, Ben Stein thinks Joan is disgusting.

Are you seriously referring to Ben Stein as a comedian? While I'm no fan of Joan, the idea of Ben Stein thinking anyone is disgusting is unconscionable.

by Anonymousreply 10004/08/2013

I don't think Joan and Melissa have many celeb or rich friends because Joan has burned so many bridges. Remember when they were on Celeb Apprentice? They always had the hardest time raising money in fundraising tasks because no one they knew would donate money, probably because she's a bitch and talks so much shit.

by Anonymousreply 10104/08/2013

I always liked Ben Stein's show, he seemed cool. What do you know about him r100? Any dirt? My dad would flip, he loves him.

by Anonymousreply 10204/08/2013

Aren't all of you referring to Ben Stein's article in Esquire, in which he tore Joan a new ass, and wrote under some non de plume?

by Anonymousreply 10304/08/2013

I don't know r103 because Snubber at r100 didn't answer me. Thank you, do you know the fake name or have a link?

by Anonymousreply 10404/08/2013

Johnny Carson punks Joan Rivers with a Margaret Hatcher look-a-like. Edgar is here too.

by Anonymousreply 10504/08/2013

#104. Sorry I don't have a link to that Esquire article of Ben Stein's. I only remember that it came out very shortly after Edgar's death & Joan cried all over the media about it.

by Anonymousreply 10604/09/2013

Fun to watch that clip, R105. And I'd forgotten how they used to use the "coocoo!" when bleeping someone.

by Anonymousreply 10704/10/2013

She's a hateful c**t.

by Anonymousreply 10808/15/2014

[quote]I get the overwhelming impression that she is incredibly bitter and angry, though.

Uhm, do you think?

I used to find her amusing, but she's become so awful, so nasty and unraveled, she has revealed what a miserable ghoul she really is. I hate her.

by Anonymousreply 10908/15/2014

Why do people blame Edgar for killing himself and not Robin Williams? This thread is a good example of two sets of standards. Few people know much about Edgar beyond his relationship with Joan Rivers. I'm glad people have reacted differently to Robin's death; let's hope times have changed.

by Anonymousreply 11008/16/2014

I'm not buying some of these tales. After the initial hubbub over the death of her husband, she went overseas for awhile. The reason I know, is because I met her in Sydney, Australia.

by Anonymousreply 11108/16/2014

Holy shit there is a lot of mean stuff said here by a bunch of people who are judging a public persona without any idea of who the private person was. And clearly you don't listen well. Joan was fiercely protective of Melissa, as any mother should be. I don't think Melissa has had any plastic surgery, and except for being in her mothers shadow tends towards staying behind cameras. Growing up behind a force of nature like Joan could not have been at all easy. As for comedy about Edgar's suicide .... She made very clear right to the end that his death was one of the lowest ponts in her life ... When she came back and won the daytime Emmy the longest part of the speech was for him. Why wouldn't she be angry about that. Every survivor of suicide is angry at the person who killed themselves. Any other emotion is unnatural. They were a team ... He broke that. At any rate I am profoundly sad that Joan is gone ... Her brad of humor will be sadly missed. Humor is about breaking down barriers and taking irks not all the politically correct shit that passes for comedy now.

by Anonymousreply 11209/21/2014

Joan Rivers had every right to stay mad at her husband. But, she talked about it in public way longer that she should have. It's no excuse that it had become part of her act. He killed himself. Anyone who does that deserves some pity, and not becoming the punch line of a joke.

I liked Joan, but she lived to be 81 still doing what she loved. There is no reason to be profoundly sad unless you are a friend or a family member.

by Anonymousreply 11309/21/2014
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