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Best Italian actress ?

Take the poll:

by Anonymousreply 9704/05/2013

Where is Marisa Tomei?

by Anonymousreply 104/03/2013

Brooklyn doesn't count as Italian, r1.

by Anonymousreply 204/03/2013

[post by racist shit-stain # 2 removed.]

by Anonymousreply 304/03/2013

OP you said Best Italian actress

Now are you saying Best Actress from Italy?

Make up your mind.

Marisa Tomei is ITALIAN.

by Anonymousreply 404/03/2013

OP you are missing Anne Bancroft

She is the only Italian actress to win an Oscar, Emmy and Tony Award

by Anonymousreply 504/03/2013

Dove sta Monica Bellucci?

by Anonymousreply 604/03/2013

We're limiting this to Italian actresses whose films are in English, or are distributed in the United States? Or are we including Italian stage actresses, none of whom make the cut?

by Anonymousreply 704/03/2013

R7 OP has vanished and has made this thread so confusing.

First he says Best Italian actress

Then he says only Actresses from Italy.

Now he refuses to clarify what he means.

by Anonymousreply 804/03/2013

[post by racist shit-stain # 2 removed.]

by Anonymousreply 904/03/2013

Marisa Tomei has an Italian passport? I don't think anyone in Italy would agree she's Italian.

In any case, r3 clearly hasn't seen 'La Reine Margot': Virna Lisi mops the floor with CC.

Lisi won the Cannes acting prize for that one, while CC is/was considered an it girl, and not much more.

Incidentally, Virna Lisi was also just an it girl - but she grew into a great character actress, culminating with her turn in Chereau's film.

by Anonymousreply 1004/03/2013

R9 It is the OP R1 who is saying NO ACTRESS from Brooklyn

That leaves out Marisa Tomei and Anne Bancroft.

Anne Bancroft should be in the poll, because no other Italian actress has won an Emmy, Oscar and Tony award.

Without her in the poll, that poll is meaningless.

by Anonymousreply 1104/03/2013

r9, you don't get to decide how we discuss things here.

Begone, control freak!

by Anonymousreply 1204/03/2013

Streep Troll

Both of Tomei's parents are of Italian descent. Her maternal grandmother is from Sicily, and her maternal grandfather is from Tuscany, Tomei's father is also of Sicilian descent

So that means Marisa is not Italian? Even though she has Italian blood running through her veins?

by Anonymousreply 1304/03/2013

Anne Bancroft's parents were both children of Italian immigrants.

She is clearly by far and away the best Italian actress of the 20th Century.

Being the ONLY Italian actress to win an Oscar, Emmy and Tony Award (twice I should add)

And she is not even in the poll!

by Anonymousreply 1404/03/2013

Exactly, r13. It means she's American.

How many films in Italian has she done?

She's a US actress, starring in US films.

by Anonymousreply 1504/03/2013

Monica Bellucci

by Anonymousreply 1604/03/2013

[post by racist shit-stain # 2 removed.]

by Anonymousreply 1704/03/2013

So Streep troll we are only talking about Actress from Italy?

Even though the title of this thread is Best Italian actress?

by Anonymousreply 1804/03/2013

So if the title was Best Black Actress

Would that mean we only talk about Actresses from Africa? Who only make films in Africa?

by Anonymousreply 1904/03/2013

You people are being willfully obtuse.

And you don't seem to understand what the USA is about.

Grandparents who were immigrants? So? Their grandchildren are no longer Italian, if they were born in the US and grew up there.

60 % of the American populace wouldn't be American if the grandparent thing was a determining factor.

Tomei and Bancroft were/are American citizens, who speakspoke English, and never starred in any Italian films.

That's why they don't belong on this list.

by Anonymousreply 2004/03/2013

[quote] No Tomei is not Italian.

Marisa Tomei would disagree with you and take offense by your suggestion.

She was on that show "Who Do You Think You Are' and stated proudly she is ITALIAN!

by Anonymousreply 2104/03/2013

We are, r18.

And Marisa Tomei is not Italian, since she doesn't hold an Italian passport.

You may go back to kindergarten now.

by Anonymousreply 2204/03/2013

[post by racist shit-stain # 2 removed.]

by Anonymousreply 2304/03/2013

Kaye Ballard!

by Anonymousreply 2404/03/2013

So then Streep Troll the thread of the title should be 'ACTRESS FROM ITALY"

And what about Best Black Actress.

Does that mean it is only actresses from Africa who make films there?

by Anonymousreply 2504/03/2013

r1/r4/r5/r8/r11/r13/r14/r18/r19 is.... deranged.

by Anonymousreply 2604/03/2013

So then the thread should be BEST ACTRESS FROM ITALY.

by Anonymousreply 2704/03/2013

But then Streep troll if was say "Best Jewish Actress"

Does that mean ONLY Actress from Israel?

by Anonymousreply 2804/03/2013

I like Nicoletta Braschi.

by Anonymousreply 2904/03/2013

So Streep Troll if we say Best JEWISH Actress

does that mean Barbra Streisand is disqualified because she is from Brooklyn and not Isreal?

by Anonymousreply 3004/03/2013

Lisi is indeed superb in LA REIGNE MARGOT.

Magnani could be magnificent in earthy female parts, but I've never seen her do anything different.

Loren was also better in those parts (e.g. TWO WOMEN). She's pretty much coasting in most of her Hollywood films - sometimes effectively, sometimes not. She proved herself in comic roles (something Magnani wisely didn't try to my knowledge). Some of her late 50's U.S. films do not show her to good effect at all (DESIRE UNDER THE ELMS being a prime example).

by Anonymousreply 3104/03/2013

No Giulietta Masina???

by Anonymousreply 3204/03/2013

Worthless poll without Giulietta Masina on it.

by Anonymousreply 3304/03/2013

[post by racist shit-stain # 2 removed.]

by Anonymousreply 3404/03/2013

Streep Troll please answer this question

If we say Best JEWISH Actress

Does that mean Barbra Streisand is disqualified because she is from Brooklyn and not Isreal?

Answer that and I'll shut up on this thread

by Anonymousreply 3504/03/2013

[quote] this insane Tomei-obsesed bitch is really something else.

Actually I'm more outraged that Anne Bancroft is not on the list.

by Anonymousreply 3604/03/2013

Marisa Tomei is an American actress. She was born in America. If she was born in Italy she would be an Italian actress.

Judaism is a religion, not an ethnicity. Jews can be born anywhere.

by Anonymousreply 3704/03/2013

Is R37 Streep troll

I want Streep Troll to answer the question

If we say Best JEWISH Actress

Does that mean Barbra Streisand is disqualified because Judaism is a religion, not an ethnicity. And she is from Brooklyn and not Isreal?

Answer that and I'll shut up on this thread

by Anonymousreply 3804/03/2013

r21, the fact that she jokingly identifies as Italian doesn't mean she is one.

It means she is an American who toys with being Italian, because of her Italian descent. Many Americans do this.

And they still don't have a European passport, never lived in the land of their ancestors, and don't speak a lick of the language.

This thread is clearly about actors from Italy, who starred in Italian movies.

That excludes Anne Bancroft and Marisa Tomei. It would even exclude Robert DeNiro who spoke some Italian in Godfather II.

End of story.

by Anonymousreply 3904/03/2013

Be sweet, dear children. Let those who can be clever.

by Anonymousreply 4004/03/2013

Streep Troll please respond to R38 specifically.

by Anonymousreply 4104/03/2013

OMG, I can't believe you all are having a fight about this.

OP does not say Italian American actress, which would include Anne Bancroft and Marisa Tomei.

OP says Italian actress, meaning women who identify as Italian-from-Italy (born and raised or not born but raised).

Sophia Loren worked in US film, but she was born and raised in Italy. She is an Italian actress.

Anne Bancroft was born and raised in the Bronx. She is Italian American.

by Anonymousreply 4204/03/2013

[post by racist shit-stain # 2 removed.]

by Anonymousreply 4304/03/2013

r38, you are deranged and not well in the head. Seriously.

The Jewish false equivalence thing has already been addressed. It's not comparable to the question at hand.

I know, this won't shut you up. Whatever.

Please be advised that you are the only one who doesn't get the idea of this thread.

EVERYBODY here perceives Marisa Tomei as an American actress.

The majority has spoken.

Case closed.

by Anonymousreply 4404/03/2013

You left Gelati Vermicelli off you list.

by Anonymousreply 4504/03/2013

Is Italian cream cheese really a cheese?

by Anonymousreply 4604/03/2013

R38 you didn't address, you just adhered to someone else.

So please answer the question clearly

Can we call Barbra Streisand the Best Jewish Actress

Even though she is not Israel.

Can you please answer that in your OWN words.

Then I will shut up on this thread.

by Anonymousreply 4704/03/2013

r41: you and r38 are the same person.

Why should I respond to your false equivalence question when the entire thread has shot you down already?


by Anonymousreply 4804/03/2013

R41/various, Marisa Tomei wasn't born in Italy. SHE IS NOT ITALIAN.

by Anonymousreply 4904/03/2013

Monica Belluci (Irreversible) or Marissa Tomei (In the Bedroom)

by Anonymousreply 5004/03/2013

'Can you please answer that in your OWN words'


by Anonymousreply 5104/03/2013

Ornella Muti

by Anonymousreply 5204/03/2013

Why didn't the French thread descend into this insanity? Is it something about the Italians or just a freak troll poster?

by Anonymousreply 5304/03/2013

[quote]Why didn't the French thread descend into this insanity? Is it something about the Italians or just a freak troll poster?

A troll on this thread for some reason thinks Marisa Tomei is Italian.

by Anonymousreply 5404/03/2013

Streep Troll

So Anne Bancroft who is Italian cannot be called the best Italian actress.

Yet Streisand who is Jewish can be called the best Jewish Actress.

and they were both born in the US

Explain Streep troll.

But you won't because you know this is a flip-flop, and they are your own words.


by Anonymousreply 5504/03/2013

R54 it is Anne Bancroft that is Italian and being ignored in the poll.

by Anonymousreply 5604/03/2013

R56, "who," not "that."

by Anonymousreply 5704/03/2013

hey fucking idiot who keeps derailing this thread: JEWISH IS NOT A NATIONALITY.

There's your answer, now kindly shut the fuck up.

by Anonymousreply 5804/03/2013

I don't know any of the ones listed, but would have voted for Tomei had she been on.

by Anonymousreply 6004/03/2013

In any case, Virna Lisi should have had a bigger career after La Reine Margot.

Where is she now?

If Riva can have a major comback, so should Lisi.

They need to give her a meaty role in a small auteur film, so she can take the world by storm..

by Anonymousreply 6104/03/2013

R58 answered the question you twat. Jewishness is a religious identity that transcends nationality. You can be Jewish and Russian, Jewish and German (offer not valid 1933-45), Jewish and American.

Yes, Americans are unique in that they claim their ethnic origins well beyond what is necessary. Thus, your confusion as to whether the American actresses with Italian ancestors qualify as "Italian" in the title "Best Italian actress". The list strongly implied actresses from Italy, based in Italy, and/or working in the Italian language. Not Italian-American actresses.

Go back and look up the terms race, ethnicity, religion, parentage, citizenship, and mother tongue. You are obviously confused, with a command of Italian not unlike Otto in "A Fish Called Wanda".

by Anonymousreply 6204/03/2013

Giulietta Masina

by Anonymousreply 6304/03/2013

Marisa Tomei has never appeared in an Italian film speaking fluent Italian, has she?

Anyway, no one would ever think: Oh, an Italian actress, upon hearing her name. Or the name of Anne Bancroft.

by Anonymousreply 6404/03/2013

OP is really tragically forgetful or just foolish for not listing Giulietta Masina, who is one of the most touching actors of all time.

by Anonymousreply 6504/03/2013

Elsa Martinelli was VERY hot in the scene she shared with Marisa Mell for the movie 'One on Top of the Other' (Una sull'altra)

by Anonymousreply 6604/03/2013

I eat Italian and Jewish shit.

by Anonymousreply 6704/03/2013

OP, may die in a grease fire for excluding Monica Belluci and Laura Morante in a poll about Italian actresses.

by Anonymousreply 6804/03/2013

How about Valeria Golino?

by Anonymousreply 6904/03/2013

My father and mother are still alive at thirty-five and seventy-four, respectively.

by Anonymousreply 7004/03/2013

Laura Antonelli was not an actress. She just did soft core porn.

by Anonymousreply 7104/03/2013

[quote]It means she is an American who toys with being Italian, because of her Italian descent. Many Americans do this.

Oh, lord, you're a moron. You're the troll who kept screaming that Americans shouldn't celebrate their heritage.

OP, did you mean a national or a person of ethnic descent?

by Anonymousreply 7404/03/2013

[quote]Jews can be born anywhere.

So can Italians. You're an anti-Semite.

by Anonymousreply 7504/03/2013

[quote]Grandparents who were immigrants? So? Their grandchildren are no longer Italian,

Oh, dear. Someone doesn't understand the difference between nationality, and ethnicity. You're ethnically Italian. Yes, if you were born in America, and don't have dual citizenship, your nationality is American.

by Anonymousreply 7604/03/2013

Streep troll, what's your ethnicity?

by Anonymousreply 7704/03/2013

[quote]Streep troll, what's your ethnicity?

Shit eater of course!

by Anonymousreply 7804/03/2013

"First he says Best Italian actress

Then he says only Actresses from Italy.

Now he refuses to clarify what he means."

So, r8, if OP had asked about the "best British actress" you would include any actress of British ancestry in the pool?

Is that what you are saying?

Because if it is, you really need to take a look at that.

by Anonymousreply 7904/03/2013

This poll is invalid without Giulietta Masina. And it figures that the Datalounge philistines would object more to the mention of Marisa Tomei than the exclusion of Masina.

by Anonymousreply 8004/03/2013

"Can we call Barbra Streisand the Best Jewish Actress

Even though she is not Israel."

Yes. One could call Barbra Streisand the best Jewish actress even though she is not Israeli.

Of course one would be completely out of one's mind to call Barbra Streisand the best Jewish actress, but that's another issue entirely.

(btw Not all Jews are Israeli. Not all Israelis are Jews. Not all Jews have even a background, however distant, that corresponds, culturally or geographically, to the region now known as the nation of Israel)

by Anonymousreply 8104/03/2013

Italians are always arguing ... the dinner table, in malls, this thread ....

by Anonymousreply 8204/04/2013

Laura Morante's exclusion is criminal. DELETE THREAD!

by Anonymousreply 8304/04/2013

Hands down: Anna Magnani. Without her, the poll is a FAIL.

by Anonymousreply 8404/04/2013

But darling, Magnani IS included in the poll. Read more carefully!

Giulietta Masina, however, is tragically not, and THAT is what makes this poll - in addition to the ridiculous fight about what "Italian" means - an epic FAIL.

by Anonymousreply 8504/04/2013

OP back late, I meant actresses born and reared in Italy and appearing in Italian films. Whats so hard to understand?

There are lots of Italian-Americans born in America of Italian descent but appearing in American films - I would not class them as Italian actresses like Loren or Lollo or Cardinale or Vitti ...

by Anonymousreply 8604/04/2013

OP again, sorry I have been away for a day and catching up. You lot are a scream - but yes I should have included Masina, at the expense of Martinelli or Antonelli (whom I only known from Visconti's L'Innocente, in 1976).

My 10 then are:

Anna Magnani

Alida Valli

Silvana Mangano


Giulietta Masina



Monica Vitti

Virna Lisi

Elsa Martinelli

by Anonymousreply 8704/04/2013


by Anonymousreply 8804/04/2013

Anna Maria Italiano, winner of an Oscar, Emmy and Tony, is my choice.

by Anonymousreply 8904/04/2013

Isn't Carla Bruni an Italian actress, as well?

by Anonymousreply 9004/04/2013

Anna Magnani. No question.

by Anonymousreply 9104/04/2013

r89, give up. Give the fuck up. Anne Bancroft is Italian American, second generation Italian American, both her parents were born in the US, she grew up in the Bronx. Her grandparents were immigrants.

She is as much an "Italian" actress as Helen Mirren (Mironoff) is a "Russian" actress. Mirren's father was born in Russia. So Mirren is actually closer to Russian-ness than Bancroft to Italian-ness. And yet you would not call Mirren a Russian actress. You'd say she's a British actress, of Russian heritage.

Giulietta Masina wins this poll, wins this poll, wins this poll.

by Anonymousreply 9204/04/2013

But what about Marisa Tomei???

by Anonymousreply 9304/04/2013

Monica Belluci

by Anonymousreply 9404/04/2013


Could a paying member please start a poll thread:

"Best Scandinavian actress?"

This is VERY much needed, to make things complete.

Poll options should be:

Greta Garbo, Ingrid Bergman, Harriet Andersson, Bibi Andersson, Ingrid Thulin, Liv Ullmann, Ghita Norby, Lena Olin, Bjork, Noomi Rapace.

(And before you object, re Bjork: ethnically, culturally & politically, Iceland is very much a part of Scandinavia. So is Finland, but she never produced an actress of worldwide fame).


by Anonymousreply 9504/04/2013


by Anonymousreply 9604/05/2013

Anna Magnani was a dreadful ham - talk about over-acting! She is unbearable in The Rose Tattoo, at least Cukor reins her in and gets a decent performance from her in Wild Is The Wind, in 1957. She is also ok in The Golden Coach for Renoir, and Bellissima for Visconti, in '52.

by Anonymousreply 9704/05/2013
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