Because it's so groupthink! And not indie or pencil thin moustache or post gay enough.
Because it's so groupthink! And not indie or pencil thin moustache or post gay enough.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||04/01/2013|
Yes, PLEASE! More lectures about authenticity from....some hack of a writer who spends his entire day writing about reality TV shows.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||04/01/2013|
I'm friends with him on FB and mutual friends were giving him shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||04/01/2013|
He had the valid point of: Just changing a Facebook photo isn't enough. I agree. I totally co-sign that one. True supporters need to take the next step and get involved, contact legislators, etc.
But he also completely missed the idea of solidarity and strength in numbers. And for many of the people who changed their photo or showed support it was their FIRST TIME doing so and it was moving for me to see some of the people I knew come forth for the first time.
To have someone shoot that down because it wasn't done to their liking, or fast enough....well, I think that's a bunch of shit.
Allies "come out" as LGBT people do - in their own ways and at their own paces. And pissing on their efforts because they don't living in the same post-gay WeHo bubble that all the A-gays live in? Is just dumb.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||04/01/2013|
What a douche bag.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||04/01/2013|
Well, Vice's cofounder Gavin McInnes is openly conservative and racist. A lot of their articles use the magazine's hipster credentials to push the reactionary agenda.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||04/01/2013|
I've worked on gay marriage campaigns before. I always ask my friends to help out by volunteering their time. I've had several friends who tell me they would love to help BUT....
Anyway, all those friends have no changed their pics to the HRC one to show how much they care about the issue, and I can't help but roll my eyes at them. I didn't change my picture and one of them called me out. I reminded him of how he was always too "busy" to volunteer for campaigns and then I asked how else he's contributed to the cause besides a profile pic and he didn't say anything.
Tired of these pussy gays that think changing their profile pic means they care about the issue. They only care when facebook tells them it's cool to care kind of like the whole Kony thing last year. Everyone was posting that cool viral video to show people they care about Africa but we all know how that turned out.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||04/01/2013|
It is sad when showing your supports or being political correct means for a lot of people just to change their facebook profile pic or post some empty 'I am all for equality' and leave it at that (and not go any further with their support). It's really just one step away from apathy.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||04/01/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 9||04/01/2013|
what r7 said.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||04/01/2013|
I'm sorry and, um, what exactly did you people do to show support?
Social networking is a very powerful medium and choosing to go red on Tuesday and Wednesday was just a small way of registering one's support among a group of people that hopefully one held sway with - your friends and family. It also shows and raises awareness. Pretending it's anything more or less than that is just churlish.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||04/01/2013|
can't stand VICE. It has never been as hip or edgy or TOLERANT as it paints itself to be. I wonder if the hipsters who worship at its altar are aware of what it stands for?
|by Anonymous||reply 12||04/01/2013|
It was uplifting to see you cynical old queens.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||04/01/2013|
Brian Moylan LOOKS like a douchebag.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||04/01/2013|
R13, so posting a cool picture about why I support gay marriage is more "uplifting" than actually volunteering and helping out?
That's what some of us have an issue with. All these people changing their profile pictures can't be bothered to actually do something substantial (like volunteering!).
If only MLK had changed his profile pic, then blacks would've achieved "equal" rights earlier.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||04/01/2013|
Missing the point.
This idiot Brian and r15.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||04/01/2013|
The anti-gay gay is the ironic hipster facial hair of...last year.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||04/01/2013|
The extent of Brian Moylan's involvement with anything has always been restricted to writing about ostensibly gay reality crap for click farms like Gawker.
God, he's tedious. And not even in a new way.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||04/01/2013|
r7 - I understand what your saying but let me give you another take. I do volunteer work for two fundraisers that take up the better part of my year (both support AIDS charities). I support marriage equality, but I really don't have time to volunteer with Lambda Legal also. I changed my facebook profile to the HRC symbol.
Just another perspective.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||04/01/2013|
Yeah, yeah some of us have been working to change minds for 40+ years by living dangerous lives as out gay people in places Brian Moylan can't even imagine and this idiot is trying to tell us how we should be doing it - now that we're finally winning the war.
Social media is a part of the struggle - always has been.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||04/01/2013|
The equality sign on Facebook is a big step for many people. You're publicly taking a side on a controversial issue, and that's still a big deal for devout Christians, for instance. Just be glad the tide is turning our way.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||04/01/2013|
I changed mine before I realized it was a "thing" (I lifted a really nice looking design from a friend of mine) the night before the first day of Supreme Court arguments, and by morning, it seemed like most of the people I know had changed theirs.
I think it might have been a for-real (small) political action.
Kind of floored me to see all that red.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||04/01/2013|
Why is everyone assuming that everyone who changed their logo didn't actually work on the issue, that the logo change was all they did?
|by Anonymous||reply 24||04/01/2013|
Because this is all about drumming up phony outrage and patting oneself on the back about equally phony commitment to "real work on the issues" by a hack writer and the do-nothings who think like him. What you're suggesting would've involved a modicum of research.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||04/01/2013|
Looks like Moylan got the attention he was after.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||04/01/2013|
Not a huge fan of Moylan/Vice but of course he (and R7!) are correct.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||04/01/2013|
I don't take issue with the equality signs in general, but I do have a MAJOR problem with the Human Rights Campaign which have done absolutely jack-shit for the cause.
All Joe Salmonese did was collect big fat checks and host A-list gay fundraising parties. The HRC does more fundraising than actual activist work. They are no better than any of the other sleazy lobbyist groups in Washington who are more concerned with being invited to the right event than getting anything done.
REAL activist groups like ACT-UP don't exist anymore. After the AIDS crisis was averted with medication, the focus of the gay "leadership" shifted to the HRC and GLAAD, two of the phoniest, money hungry sham organizations on the planet.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||04/01/2013|
He's a moron.
All the people I know who changed their profiles have been activists for years - lawyers working on gay rights cases, organizers and people who have written a lot of substantive work on gay rights. I've done the marches, the fundraisers, political campaigns for gay candidates - what is this genius' activism record?
There's a time to be snarky and contrary - when gay people in America are second class citizens, all support for equality is good.
Even a gay moron should get that.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||04/01/2013|
I don't think anyone is paying attn to the profile = & red stuff on fb though. Just sayin'
|by Anonymous||reply 30||04/01/2013|
One friend changed their profile pic and within a couple of hours most of my FB friends had changed their's as well. People were asking questions and talking about it quite a lot. I think all in all it created a sense of community amongst my gay and straight friends. People who might never have spoken up for marriage equality were doing so on FB.
I don't think that's a small event when hundreds, and thousands of people from all walks of life get on board.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||04/01/2013|
And, I might add, I'm not sure making a sign and trotting on down to the Supreme Court may have had as big an effect as people think it does. It's important and should always happen but do any of you remember any of the signs from last week off the top of your heads. The only person that stood out was the guy in the devil horns.
A week later, however, everyone I know recognizes what the read symbol means.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||04/01/2013|
Mx Justin Vivian Bond posted on Facebook: "Wait, so we're supposed to keep these red equal signs up until June?"
No way. It's all so 'last week.'
|by Anonymous||reply 33||04/01/2013|
I just hate how the useless HRC has co-opted the movement. Who the hell are they to be the arbiters of this?
|by Anonymous||reply 34||04/01/2013|
r11 nails it.
[quote] They can't be bothered to go out there and volunteer.
This is such a superficial notion of what it means to be supportive. Volunteer! Write your senator! March!
All great things, but really... 2013 here.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||04/01/2013|
Does a bumper sticker saying "I Support the Troups" really help the troups?
|by Anonymous||reply 36||04/01/2013|
I think it's ridiculous to expect straight friends and family to march down to Washington and picket the SCOTUS for gay rights. It's great if they do, but ultimately this is our fight. We should be focusing on apathy and too-passive activism within our own ranks, not attacking vocal and supportive straight allies.
I'm vehemently pro-choice, but as a gay male it's not an issue in my life. I remember voicing support on Facebook for Planned Parenthood and calling out the pink nazis at Susan Komen, but I've never donated money or participated in a demonstration. I'm also not calling myself a reproductive rights activist, either. I don't think it's inauthentic to voice support for a political idea unless you're actively campaigning for it. Everyone has a right to their opinion (and a right to disagree) but why attack those who agree with us?
I'm 200-trillion times more annoyed by my gay friends who pat themselves on the back for painting Facebook pink or that god-awful no h8te campaign, yet have never marched or demonstrated or wrote to a legislator or had a debate with an actual opponent.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||04/01/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 38||04/01/2013|
"Does a bumper sticker saying "I Support the Troups" really help the troups?"
No, and it doesn't help the TROOPS, either, you illiterate douche nozzle.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||04/01/2013|
The most change comes from just living out and openly. The people around us come to see us as just like them. THIS is how change is made.
In that aspect, we are all activists and we are all doing MORE than holding a sign on a street corner would accomplish.
Regarding the pics, can you imagine some straight person in rural America checking their facebook and seeing a dozen or so friends logo being the equal sign? It might get them to think, and so for that, it was important to do. At the very least it will make them think about what they say before they type something homophobic.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||04/01/2013|
I guess I don't understand why everything has to be so black and white these days. I can't see the harm in changing your profile photo to the red symbol and I can't see how that necessarily inteferes with someone's work as an activist.
I think the two go hand in hand quite well.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||04/01/2013|
When did Moylan leave Gawker for Vice?
|by Anonymous||reply 42||04/01/2013|
[quote]I can't see the harm in changing your profile photo to the red symbol and I can't see how that necessarily inteferes with someone's work as an activist.
Because you can't change your profile pic AND do something else supportive. That's why people are so pissed about it. Once someone changes their profile pic, it totally incapacitates them from ever doing anything else.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||04/01/2013|
Yes, HRC raises funds, and then distributes those funds to local AIDS and gay-related causes. What part of that don't you get?
|by Anonymous||reply 44||04/01/2013|
What a douche. Hey, ANY support is good support. In big and small ways. Changing a FB photo might not be a monumental thing but what does it hurt? It is good "energy" and indicates a mindset. We could use all the positive mindset we can get. People who say you aren't doing enough when you at least did SOMETHING don't deserve the help at all. A token gesture in support of marriage equality is still a GESTURE.
Fuck that guy. He is no friend to gays and he is too stupid to realize it.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||04/01/2013|
[quote]Yes, HRC raises funds, and then distributes those funds to local AIDS and gay-related causes. What part of that don't you get?
The leadership of the HRC, all white men, also live a wealthy, bourgeois lifestyle complete with expensive apartments in NYC and DC, Mercedes and BMWs and luxury vacations around the globe.
They see themselves as the elite of the gay community, the "A-Gays". They built fortunes on stringing other disenfranchised LGBT along, asking us to donate to fill their overflowing coffers while they sold out time and again. It was the real activists, the boots on the ground that made the actual change, not these elitist, Prada loafer wearing scumbags.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||04/01/2013|
"Yes, HRC raises funds, and then distributes those funds to local AIDS and gay-related causes. What part of that don't you get?"
The money part.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||04/01/2013|
Never are the haves and have nots so FAR apart as in the gay world (I won't even use the word community.) There is a book called The Velvet Rage (still relevant in 2013) which explains all the social climbing and career achievements and MATERIAL possessions as being a way to prove that we (meaning self-loathing gays) are worth something, to fill a deep hole of self-hate that some gay men don't even realize is there. It is transparent to those who have self-esteem and self-worth and who don't strive to impress with "things." All that negative energy is turned outward and makes some gay men seem so horribly vapid and shallow. The "A" gays are hated because deep down they hate themselves and flaunt their money and cars and clothes and houses and position and power in ways that perpetuate the hatred and resentment of others towards them. I only mention all of this as part of the explanation as to why some of the leaders of these supposedly gay supportive organizations are such narcissistic and insular douchebags.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||04/01/2013|
[quote] Looks like Moylan got the attention he was after.
Yeah, that too. He got his page hits writing about something he knows nothing about re: 98% of the country.
I'm no fan of the HRC, and as I said upthread I get why just posting a photo isn't enough. But the KONY comparison isn't really an accurate one.
The fact is, there's been a tremendous change in public opinion in the last several years, and the social media show of solidarity played its role, because it reached people who normally aren't in the usual LGBT friendly channels of communication.
I saw lots of grannies and grampas and Xtians and others who showed solidarity, and I know that's a recent evolution for them. To piss on that is just fucked up.
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