Why must Liza suffer so?
How on earth was New York, New York not nominated for an Oscar for Best Original Song?
|by Anonymous||reply 42||04/03/2013|
Consideing the Academy's awful taste in music it does seem odd it got no mention.
I hated that movie and I still hate that song. That song almost ruined a beautiful time in Rome for me.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||03/31/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 2||03/31/2013|
Was it written specifically for the movie? That's the criterion. If Liza even uttered "they wrote it for me", it would have been disqualified.
The Oscars that year..
Winner : "You Light Up My Life"
"Candle on the Water" from "Pete's Dragon"
"The Spy Who Loved Me"
The Slipper and the Rose(He Danced with Me/She Danced with Me)"
"Someone's Waiting For You" from "The Rescuers
"You Light Up My Life" never became the standard people thought it would.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||03/31/2013|
Because the film NY NY was a stinking pile of shit and didn't make a dime. The song was not a hit single. No one knew about the song outside of the gays until Sinatra recorded it several years later.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||03/31/2013|
Liza didn't write it, so she wouldn't have been the nominee anyway.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||03/31/2013|
It is a great song. Or was, until Sinatra ruined it with his lounge lizard delivery which of course made it one of the biggest hits ever.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||03/31/2013|
"You Light Up My Life" beat "Nobody Does It Better"?! Was everybody just coked to the gills that year?
|by Anonymous||reply 7||03/31/2013|
New York, New York is one of Scorsese's greatest films. Woefully underappreciated and in need of rediscovery. Not only that, Robert De Niro is smokin hot in it.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||03/31/2013|
Exactly, R7. How superior is Nobody Does It Better to that inane, sleepy Skyfall shit that won this year?
|by Anonymous||reply 9||03/31/2013|
r4 is an idiot....look at the other nominees. I'd hardly call most of them hit singles
|by Anonymous||reply 10||03/31/2013|
I'd like to hear the full version of Queen's rendition for the movie "The Highlander."
|by Anonymous||reply 11||03/31/2013|
Fun note. You Light Up My Life also won Best Song Grammy it tied with Evergreen that had won Best Song Oscar the year before...
|by Anonymous||reply 12||04/01/2013|
This is about as exciting as the "Television Credits" thread. Christ, you gays and your showbiz minutia.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||04/01/2013|
r13= bitter betty, party of one
|by Anonymous||reply 14||04/01/2013|
For that matter, "And the World Goes 'Round" from NYNY was better than those other nominees.
p.s. "You Light Up My Life" was a huge hit in its day.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||04/01/2013|
Judy Garland never sang "My Funny Valentine", saying it was like singing the scales.
She sang most every other standard, and Valentine has become even more popular in the last 30 years, but she was right. It is basically a scale progression vocal exercise.
"You Light up My Life" is similar in it's composition. These songs are pleasing to the ear initially, but very simple in their structure.
New York NY is a lot better, but so much the Broadway number. Kander and Ebb. I don't really care bout this, but I think that Liza was a bit off in that awful movie. Blame coke and coked up Scorsese. The musical numbers were very poorly done in that film. Not worth debating if that song should have been nominated.
The planet spins....the world goes round.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||04/03/2013|
It's funny, r16, I can hear JG singing it in my head and swore she recorded it but you're right.
I wish I could remember the funny gay novel where some character is watching Liza sing "New York, New York" and dreading the moment when she starts with "The Arm."
|by Anonymous||reply 17||04/03/2013|
[quote]look at the other nominees. I'd hardly call most of them hit singles.
I think you're the one who is misinformed and obviously wasn't around in the seventies.
"You Light Up My Life", with its uplifting chord progressions and key changes - and a very convincing Didi Conn lipsynching the original version in the flop movie of the same name - was subsequently recorded by Debbie Boone and became not only a huge number one song, but THE number one song of 1977 and THE number one pop song of the entire seventies in the U.S.
Yes, it's a corny song now, but I remember watching the trailers for that horrible movie and how moved everyone was by the song, as something different from the raunchy disco beats (more my style) we were listening to on the radio, and as a ballad people of all ages were drawn to.
"Nobody Does It Better" was a number one Easy Listening and UK hit, plus a three-week number two hit in the U.S., kept out of the top position by - you guessed it - "You Light Up My Life"
And now, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Richard Chamberlain, in "He/She Danced With Me"(the irony of the title!)
|by Anonymous||reply 18||04/03/2013|
LA and Hollywood types have always been envious of New Yorkers, so it's obvious that a song with that title would not be nominated.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||04/03/2013|
It's Hard Out Here for a Pimp
|by Anonymous||reply 20||04/03/2013|
I saw "New York, New York" the week it opened. The movie was hugely anticipated because Scorcese, DeNiro, and Minnelli were all riding high in their careers. What a terrible letdown it was! Pauline Kael said she read the original script and thought it was terrific, but Scorcese decided to change it and make it into some kind of personal statement.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||04/03/2013|
Debby Boone was singing about her love for Jeebuz, yaknow.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||04/03/2013|
The song was indeed written specifically for the movie, but Kander & Ebb gave up their rights to it as part of the deal to get Liza cast.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||04/03/2013|
It was an unpleasant stalker movie.
But the songs are enjoyable.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||04/03/2013|
R16 In what universe is "You Light Up My Fucking Life" pleasing to the ear? That was one of the most banal songs ever recorded. Almost as bad as "Muskrat Fucking Love."
|by Anonymous||reply 25||04/03/2013|
"Candle on the Water" is one of the loveliest songs ever to come out of a Disney film. In my opinion it is the best song among the nominees and a better song than "New York, New York" too.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||04/03/2013|
r26 may be right but expressing the opinion makes you sound like one of those fat weirdos with Disney tattoos plastered all over their epidermis.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||04/03/2013|
Oh, R27, I am as creeped out by Disney-philes as you are! But you have to admit, there are many fine songs in the Disney catalogue.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||04/03/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 29||04/03/2013|
You don't hear "New York, New York" every five minutes on daytime TV these days, do you?
|by Anonymous||reply 30||04/03/2013|
Liza and Scorsese were in the midst of their hot and heavy 'coke fueled' affair... together they were responsible for many of the movie delays and rising costs.. one afternoon Marty and Minnelli were over two hours late to the set because they were driving around L.A. looking for a good hot dog stand for hungry Liza.. Liza just had to have her hot dog, on top of all the coke she had ingested that morning..
they shudda just gone to Pink's.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||04/03/2013|
Coked out or not, it was still a creepy script.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||04/03/2013|
By the time Liza sang the song, most Academy voters had left the theater or fallen asleep.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||04/03/2013|
R4, Sinatra's version came out a little over a year after the film was released, not "several years later." And EVERYONE knew the song off of the movie and Minnelli - it was a minor Academy scandal that it wasn't nominated.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||04/03/2013|
"R,17", sounds like it could be a great read. Do you remember anything about the title, or author?
"I wish I could remember the funny gay novel where some character is watching Liza sing "New York, New York" and dreading the moment when she starts with "The Arm.""
|by Anonymous||reply 35||04/03/2013|
There is no song called "The Spy Who Loved Me." The song is "Nobody Does it Better"
|by Anonymous||reply 36||04/03/2013|
The improvisation ruined NYNY. You can't just assume that because a person can act, they can improvise. Two different skills.
DeNiro just kept repeating himself, Liza tried to hold it together and sometimes looked like she was afraid to move, and Scorsese could not say "Cut."
Fabulous sets, some great ideas, some interesting songs, but all in all a disaster.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||04/03/2013|
Nobody did it better than Carly that year.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||04/03/2013|
The reeason may be because the movie"New York,New York" was so long-winded and plodding.I liked A Star Is Born better,even thoughh Barbra's hair was silly and her outfits were too sexless and she lacked her usual wit and I would liked to have seen what Elvis would have done with the John-Norman rol, .although I liked Kristofferson.In "New York..."De Niro was too abrasive.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||04/03/2013|
R34, it doesn't matter when it was released, it wasn't a known recording for several years when it was played at NY baseball games. NO ONE who wasn't gay knew the song from the film. No one, sorry.
"New York, New York is one of Scorsese's greatest films."
Not really. It needed 45 minutes cut out of it.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||04/03/2013|
If I had of sung that song instead of that bloated coke whore the song WOULD have been nominated.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||04/03/2013|
[quote][R34], it doesn't matter when it was released, it wasn't a known recording for several years when it was played at NY baseball games. NO ONE who wasn't gay knew the song from the film. No one, sorry.
INTERESTING FACT: When the Yankees win at home, they play the Sinatra version; when they lose, they play Liza's. LOL!
|by Anonymous||reply 42||04/03/2013|