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Sophia Loren: great talent or just Liz Taylor in a meat sauce?

I know she's famous for having been an actress. I know she was statuesque and striking in her hey day. I just can't recall whether she was more a product of her looks or her talent.

by Anonymousreply 17310/13/2014

Her performance in Two Women is one of the best Oscar winning performances ever. So she has the talent. It's more about her Italian films though.

by Anonymousreply 103/28/2013

Unbelievable talent, OP. Her eyes alone spoke a million lines. To be honest, I always thought she was a better actor than Taylor, who was very very good.

by Anonymousreply 203/28/2013

Sophia sings....A little pop medley, always good in a mix.

I love Elizabeth too, they are incomparable, yet both immensely talented.

by Anonymousreply 303/28/2013

To me she is more beautiful than Taylor. Just a very natural, earthy beauty. I haven't seen many of her movies though? She is very expressive.

by Anonymousreply 403/28/2013

R3 - That my song!

by Anonymousreply 503/28/2013

She was Taylor's equal back circa 1960 - they were the 2 top female stars. Her ones with Marcello Mastroianni like 'Yesterday Today & Tomorrow' and 'Marriage Italian Style' were huge hits in the 60s.

I like her early American films too like Boy on a Dolphin, Legend of the Lost, Houseboat, It Started in Naples. She looks stunning in El Cid and The Millionairess, and top-lined lots of epics like Fall of the Roman Empire and Operation Crossbow. In her early 20s she was co-starring with the likes of Gable, Grant, Ladd, Wayne, Holden etc.

Her 60s comedy Arabesque with Greg Peck is perfect too where she is at the zenith of her looks and was a natural comedienne. She began as a teenager and still looks terrific now at 78.

by Anonymousreply 603/28/2013

Pauline Kael said she was the greatest model the movies had ever known. It was meant as a high compliment--she just wore clothes and then took them off with more style than any other actress I've ever seen.

And as an actress, she projects so much sex and charm....

Really, there was a time when people realized that acting talent was more than pasting yourself up to look like Lincoln or Mrs. Thatcher.

by Anonymousreply 703/28/2013

More like skim milk.

by Anonymousreply 803/28/2013

Overrated at the time -- she was lucky.

But curvy and ethnically beautiful!

by Anonymousreply 903/28/2013

Elizabeth Taylor was never "immensely talented." PLEASE.

by Anonymousreply 1003/28/2013

I saw her up close in 1979 when she was doing a book signing at the Selfridges department store in London - the place was packed with people wanting to see her, she was only able to sign a few books, but I got mine signed and saw that amazing face up close.

Her cookery book is interesting too.

She must be one of the wealthiest movie stars, and as the widow of producer Carlo Ponti.

It seems she and Cary Grant did have a romance though as an Italian Catholic 50 years ago she would never have married a divorced man just to be the latest Mrs Cary Grant, so she stuck with the producer who discovered her - and perhaps she knew or heard of Cary's swinging ways ?

by Anonymousreply 1103/28/2013

Gina Lollobrigida was terrific too, and Silvana Mangano, and then arthouse darlings Monica Vitti and Claudia Cardinale - but Sophia ruled them all.

by Anonymousreply 1203/28/2013

Houseboat is still a charming comedy with Sophia and Cary a perfect team, and the 3 kids are terrific too.

by Anonymousreply 1303/28/2013

Those Italian dames all had terrific faces and looks.

by Anonymousreply 1403/28/2013

Whereas ordinary Italian women tend towards horseface.

by Anonymousreply 1503/28/2013

Liz Taylor was a minor talent; mostly know for her looks and private life.

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by Anonymousreply 1703/28/2013

Taylor was a poor actress and I never saw her supposed beauty. Loren was a better actress but I never got her beauty either. I also don't know how she got an Honorary Oscar.

by Anonymousreply 1803/28/2013

"It seems she and Cary Grant did have a romance"

About twenty years ago, Sophia spilled the beans -- it was an infatuation on his part, they didn't have anything close to a "romance" or affair. Then, suddenly, she changed her tune and went along with what most people want to believe. I don't believe it for a second.

by Anonymousreply 1903/28/2013

She had a remarkable figure

by Anonymousreply 2003/28/2013
by Anonymousreply 2103/28/2013

Looked like she was admiring Jayne's assets.

by Anonymousreply 2203/28/2013

I always understood from that photo, Sophia was fearful that those knockers were going to fall out.

by Anonymousreply 2303/28/2013

That photo has been retouched. In the original, you could see that Mansfield's areolas were visible. That's why Loren looked askance.

by Anonymousreply 2403/28/2013

The lesser known outtakes are hilarious as well

by Anonymousreply 2503/28/2013

More shots, same night...

by Anonymousreply 2603/28/2013

Her acting talent was always underrated. One of the most beautiful actresses ever and had a lot of charisma too. Another quality that she possessed was imo the fact that she wasn't antagonizing to women in spite of her amazing beauty.

LOVE her.

by Anonymousreply 2703/28/2013

Wasn't she a whore or some sort of escort?

Also her gay son is cute. The one married to that NCIS chick.

by Anonymousreply 2803/28/2013

Sophia was wonderful in Stromboli.

by Anonymousreply 2903/28/2013

Of course, she'd be called a "fat cow" these days, but that's a HOLY MOLY kinda body. Gorgeous.

by Anonymousreply 3003/28/2013


by Anonymousreply 3103/28/2013

R19 I find that a lot with old movie stars. They say one thing and if their fans don't like that version of their story they change it to what the fans like to hear.

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by Anonymousreply 3303/28/2013

[quote]had a lot of charisma too.

Absolutely. A friend has a DVD of her as a guest on a talk show in the 80s. Funny, intelligent, charming, and a great conversationalist. Unlike today's celebs who only go out to promote their latest film, she didn't have a book or film to sell. She was marvelous.

by Anonymousreply 3403/28/2013

Sophia Loren has one of the most valuable art collections in the world. She has many Francis Bacon's and other priceless works. The collection was confiscated by the Italian's for several decades during a tax case and she agreed to go to jail as part of the sentence. They had to rebuild the jail, the protests forced them to release her early, and she kept all her art. She is most likely the world's richest actress. and the last of the great Movie Stars.

by Anonymousreply 3503/28/2013

Pics of her gay son, please?

by Anonymousreply 3603/28/2013

Only thing I don't like is her "it's all down to pasta" bs about her looks.

Sure the work she had done was first rate and she continued to look very good, but it's obviously via surgery. She even had her tits reinflated which you could see in that Prêt-à-Porter nonsense.

by Anonymousreply 3703/28/2013

Watch her performance in Two Women and you'll see what a great actress she is.

Then watch her play herself in the tv adaptation of her autobiography and you'll see how dreadful she is.

by Anonymousreply 3803/28/2013

As a previous poster mentioned, Sophia's turn in "Two Women" is one of the greatest winning performances in Oscar history. She will be remembered for that film alone.

by Anonymousreply 3903/28/2013

Didn't her romance with Carlo Ponti begin when he was married to another woman?

by Anonymousreply 4003/28/2013

R28, R36, once upon a time Edoardo Ponti was a cute young thing with a full head of hair. Today, not so much.

by Anonymousreply 4103/28/2013

She may have been talented, slightly. Her performances were earthy and maternal but Liz had more range. Sophia could not have done Virginia Wolfe (sic) or APITS or Cat OAHTR. Liz, in her early years, had soft, feminine, vulnerable sexuality. In Liz's later years, she developed into a sophisticated, brash yet still vulnerable, sexy, woman.

Sophia was always "harsh". Her features were always masculine. Sure she had a figure eight shape, big boobs, small waist, big hips but her face was always overdone, masculine, and extreme (Eva Mendenz is rockingthat look now). Sophia was great in her well known, well directed films but she lacked a connection with an audience that didnt' consist of horney men. Sophia may have been sexier to men during her heyday but Liz will always be the better talent.

by Anonymousreply 4203/28/2013

I don't think she is or was attractive in the least. Yech.

by Anonymousreply 4303/28/2013

Exhibit A

(warning) this will frighten you.

by Anonymousreply 4403/28/2013

sorry bad link!

by Anonymousreply 4503/28/2013

Oh no @R41's link.. where did all his hair go and what happened to his handsome face?

by Anonymousreply 4603/28/2013

She's ugly

by Anonymousreply 4703/28/2013

The story about Brando insulting Sophia on the set of "A Countess from Hong Kong" still stings. He said he didn't like their love scenes because she had nose hairs, "thick, like asparagus." She had nothing to do with him after that.

by Anonymousreply 4803/28/2013

I liked her in the movie "Aida." Sophia must have taken some singing lessons because her lipsynching to Renata Tebaldi's voice make it appear that she was actually singing.

by Anonymousreply 4903/28/2013

A very sexy and charismatic and very talented actress. Two Women is still an enduring film. And the person who said Sophia couldn't have played Virginia Woolf obviously never saw Two Women. I love both Taylor and Loren but would probably say that Loren was the better actress. Loved her movies with Marcello--never could decide who was sexier, Sophia or Marcello. They were a perfect match for each other.

by Anonymousreply 5003/28/2013

Sophia in ARABESQUE was gorgeous! She may not have been "soft" and conventionally pretty, but she had an [italic]arresting[/italic], exotic beauty that lit the screen. The camera loved her and it was able to capture her aura. Sometimes conventionally pretty people can look surprisingly bland in front of the camera.

by Anonymousreply 5103/28/2013

Yes, R40. Carlo Ponti was married when he met Loren. And he was over 30 while she was a teenager, I think. Like a previous poster said, she was an escort and he was one of her clients.

by Anonymousreply 5203/28/2013

When Sophia and Carlo Met:

Carlo and Sophia first met one another in 1950 when Sophia was 16 years old. Carlo, age 37 and married, was a judge in the "Miss Roma" contest she had entered. Sophia placed second in the contest. Within a short time, Carlo became Sophia's manager. In 1954, Carlo gave Sophia a small diamond ring.

Previous Marriages:

Carlo was previously married. Giuliana Fiastri: Carlo and Giuliana were married in 1946. They had two children together.

by Anonymousreply 5303/28/2013

[quote]Like a previous poster said, she was an escort and he was one of her clients.

This BI was revealed as Sophia Loren.

by Anonymousreply 5403/28/2013

[quote]Also her gay son is cute. The one married to that NCIS chick.

He's not cute anymore, R28. The pic of him at R41 is scary.

by Anonymousreply 5503/28/2013

I think it's cute people believe in BIs.

by Anonymousreply 5603/28/2013

from the comments in r54 's link

"Gypsytrill said... This makes me very sad. I feel a connection to Sophia because I spent my teenage years living in a house overlookind the Bay of Pozzuoli, just north of Naples, and my house looked down on the house where she was born and grew up. I learned many stories about her early years and was aware of the prostitution but not how young she was. She is still and always will be a goddess to me. Viva Sophia!"

by Anonymousreply 5703/28/2013

"Her acting talent was always underrated"

In the 1960s, Sophia was considered a great talent, not underrated at all. In retrospect, we see she could be good, but she was hardly a great actress.

by Anonymousreply 5803/29/2013

r19 is right. Peter Sellers was infatuated about her as well, but I dont think she ever romanced any of her leading men - most of them were too old for her, or like Tony Perkins and Tab Hunter, too young and too gay .. She was quite happy to be Mrs Ponti with that great villa they had outside Rome, for a poor girl from Naples during the war that was ideal for her.

by Anonymousreply 5903/29/2013

Actually, R59, Sophia did admit straying outside of her marriage to tubby, especially when he got old.

by Anonymousreply 6003/29/2013

Sophia was a thousand times better than that hack with the Minnie Mouse voice Taylor.

She was so bad, I find it difficult to even watch her on screen.

by Anonymousreply 6103/29/2013

[quote]She may have been talented, slightly. Her performances were earthy and maternal but Liz had more range. Sophia could not have done Virginia Wolfe (sic) or APITS or Cat OAHTR. Liz, in her early years, had soft, feminine, vulnerable sexuality. In Liz's later years, she developed into a sophisticated, brash yet still vulnerable, sexy, woman.

Loren could've played all of those roles better, had they've been Italian movies. Her exotic looks and accent limited her. Does Marion Cotillard's accent cause the same problems for her today, she sounded constantly out of breath in "The Dark Knight Rises"?

Taylor had lost whatever sexiness she did have by the time of "Virgina Woolf". Loren couldn't have played that role until much later in her life.

by Anonymousreply 6203/29/2013

"Her performances were earthy and maternal but Liz had more range".

I wasn't aware Taylor had any range.

by Anonymousreply 6303/29/2013

Taylor had NO range... she was a squeaky nothing as an actress.

by Anonymousreply 6403/29/2013

I am also amazed at how Taylor is now considered some great actress, she is consistently awful.

by Anonymousreply 6503/29/2013

FUCK YOU GUYS. TAYLOR WAS AN AMAZING ACTRESS AND A GREAT BEAUTY. Loren was overrated and not that beautiful. Not really!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 6603/29/2013

R66 rabid fangurl.

by Anonymousreply 6703/29/2013

[quote]FUCK YOU GUYS. TAYLOR WAS AN AMAZING ACTRESS AND A GREAT BEAUTY. Loren was overrated and not that beautiful. Not really!!!!!

I don't think either of them were beautiful, and by no means was Taylor a great actress. Loren was much better.

by Anonymousreply 6803/29/2013

I recently saw Tayor in "Father of the Bride" and was surprised at how awful she was at that age. She wasn't a natural talent. Films from later in life show that she really observed and learned over the years. You would never know it was the same person.

by Anonymousreply 6903/29/2013

Both Elizabeth Taylor and Sophie Loren were (are) great beauties and great screen actresses. If you think anything else you are either blind or you do not know their work. Elizabeth Taylor's career from her childhood days (Black Beauty, Lassie) to her mature roles (Virginia Woolf) is pretty astounding. If you think she could not act- you need to do a bit more investigation- watch her films and read a bit about what her peers had to say. Loren is a devine actress, terrific commedienne as well.

And for my money two of the great beauties for all times.

by Anonymousreply 7003/29/2013

Liz was a horrid actress.

by Anonymousreply 7103/29/2013

Taylor is very bad in "National Velvet". Most child actors are best when they aren't trained and are just being themselves and she seems very trained. She says every line in a Transatlantic monotone.

by Anonymousreply 7203/29/2013

Sophia looked okay as long as she wasn't shot in profile. That big nose blew any chances of her being beautiful. They had to carefully shoot her with a limited amount of angles. She's better than your average Italian woman, sure. She really was just the product of Max Factor magic.

by Anonymousreply 7303/29/2013

Taylor always looked like she smelled and not of White Diamonds either. She had pretty eyes, that's about it. How anyone could say Loren is not truly one of the great beauties of the last 50-60 years is beyond me. She has it all, absolutely stunning and probably had bigger tits than Mansfield. I bet that's what she was thinking, "Meh, mine are bigger and less conical, and I am a way better actress."

by Anonymousreply 7403/29/2013

PS- As an Italian I am biased, I just love the look of Loren, Roman nose and all. Linda Evangelista has it too.

by Anonymousreply 7503/29/2013

R74 all humans with noses smell, did you mean to say she looked like she stunk?

by Anonymousreply 7603/29/2013

[quote]How anyone could say Loren is not truly one of the great beauties of the last 50-60 years is beyond me.

I could. I think she's odd looking - odd jawline, odd lips, hooked nose.

by Anonymousreply 7703/29/2013

Sophia herself knew she wasn't "classically" beautiful and admitted her faults. Too large nose, too wide mouth but, as a photographer told her once, all her parts, imperfect though they were, worked perfectly together.

by Anonymousreply 7803/29/2013

Loren was just incredibly good-looking in her prime. I don't see any flaws in R77's picture.

by Anonymousreply 7903/29/2013

Taylor could be quite good under the right director. In many of her films, though, during her big emotional scenes, she is overwrought and hammy. Natalie Wood was the same way. Surprisingly, some of Taylor's hammiest performances were in movies directed by top quality directors ("Giant", "Suddenly, Last Summer", "The Sandpipers").

by Anonymousreply 8003/29/2013

Loren had fabulous doe eyes. Very expressive.

by Anonymousreply 8103/29/2013

It's a very exotic beauty displayed in R77.

by Anonymousreply 8203/29/2013

Linda Evangelista has a penis nose and it ruined her. The Italian curse. That image of Loren looks good because she was shot straight on. Her nostrils were huge but could be hidden with retouching and camera angles. Elizabeth looked great at every angle plus she had beautiful blue eyes not Loren's brown camel eyes.

by Anonymousreply 8303/29/2013

Sophie Loren looked and still looks like a tranny.

by Anonymousreply 8403/29/2013

[quote]That image of Loren looks good because she was shot straight on. Her nostrils were huge but could be hidden with retouching and camera angles.

If she can't be a beauty when shot head on and requires retouching and certain angles then she's not a great beauty. Anyone can look good from the right angle.

by Anonymousreply 8503/29/2013

Whatta bunch of clueless people on this thread. Two of the most devine and beautiful screen actresses of all time... and DL? Idiocy.

I've seen both of them very up close, in person several times in my life. Both are much more beautiful in person than in pics if that is possible. Their coloring and almost supernatural beauty actually does not get capture as well in photos. One time I saw Taylor with very little or no makeup on- amazing. She was tiny. Loren is very tall. I road an elevator with her in a hotel once, and saw her standing around in a red suit in the lobby of a hospital, couple feet away from her.

No one on this thread in their dreams, male or female has the natural beauty these two woman possessed.

A number of posts on this thread are just stupifying. To me having seen them in person and watched them in film most of my life- to say that either is not beautiful is like saying the sun is not bright on a clear day. The only people who can say that are the blind.

by Anonymousreply 8603/29/2013

[quote]Whatta bunch of clueless people on this thread. Two of the most devine and beautiful screen actresses of all time... and DL? Idiocy.

Neither were the greatest actresses of all time.

The word beautiful is overused. Loren and Taylor might've been sexually appealing to straight men but I've seen prettier faces.

by Anonymousreply 8703/29/2013

R87 = clueless.

She is one of the most spectacular human beings I have ever laid eyes on- her posture, her voice, her eyes, her body, everything.

by Anonymousreply 8803/29/2013

[quote]She is one of the most spectacular human beings I have ever laid eyes on- her posture, her voice, her eyes, her body, everything.

I'm sure she carries herself well, (but even a plain woman can, such as Agnes Moorehead) but posture and voice are irrelevant to a physically beautiful face.

by Anonymousreply 8903/29/2013

She's striking, stunning, and gorgeous. There's more to being beautiful than having perfect classical features. Most straight men understand this.

by Anonymousreply 9003/29/2013

86, you can claim Liz Taylor and Grace Kelly as authentic beauties but not Sophia Loren. Ingrid Bergman had a funny nose. Big nostrils, bulbous even but her other features and face shape transcended the flaw. Not so for Sophia Loren because she was all smoke and mirrors. She was better looking than your average Italian woman but like them she can't compete with those nordic types. Her nose takes her out of the running.

You can park a Hummer in her nostrils.

by Anonymousreply 9103/29/2013

[quote]She's striking, stunning, and gorgeous. There's more to being beautiful than having perfect classical features. Most straight men understand this.

I'd call her "exotic" or "striking" or "sexy" before I'd call her "beautiful".

by Anonymousreply 9203/29/2013

If you think she couldn't act, you're fools.

by Anonymousreply 9303/29/2013

[quote]If you think she couldn't act, you're fools.

Taylor's at her best in "Virgina Woolf" in which she's still not particularly good. In everything before she's quite dreadful.

by Anonymousreply 9403/29/2013

La Liz was extremely good in Cat On a Hot Tin Roof. She projected a convincing blend of sexuality and vulnerability. Mike Todd's recent death likely contributed to her performance.

by Anonymousreply 9503/29/2013

I've seen them both in the flesh too - Loren as I mentioned earlier at Selfridges in 1979, true star quality is when a big department store is packed with people wanting to look at you - how many of today's stars would attract that kind of crowd?

I saw Taylor with Burton and director Joseph Losey in 1970 when they appeared at a cinema exhibition held in London, Liz was looking good then in a long gypsy type dress and was flashing that ring ....

They are the 2 great beauties of their era and both are/were very effective on screen.

by Anonymousreply 9603/29/2013

Sophia could sing too, she is stunning in Man of La Mancha in 1972, and in her comedy album with Peter Sellers in 1960 she sings several songs.

by Anonymousreply 9703/29/2013

Loren is wonderful in Yesterday Today & Tomorrow, in 64 - as in her other ones with De Sica. She is hilarious as the Neapolitan woman forever pregnant to avoid going to jail, then as the rich Milan woman, and then as the call girl in Rome.

She began as an teenage extra somewhere in Quo Vadis in 1950, was a leading Italian actress by 1954, then the American studios signed her up in 1956, then she was in American films in 1957, returned to Europe in 1960 where she was busy until the late 70s. Its one of the great international careers.

You only have to watch her early films where she holds her own opposite Clark Gable (30 years older than her), Cary Grant, John Wayne etc. I like her with Clifton Webb in Boy on a Dolphin.

by Anonymousreply 9803/29/2013

We are not disputing her career, r98 - thats a given. Its her looks - is she one of the great beauties - like Liz or Ava Gardner. I say YES.

by Anonymousreply 9903/29/2013

Claudia Cardinale and Monica Vitti are super lookers too, though didnt achieve Loren or Lollobrigida's fame.

Sophia really stole Gina's thunder by coming along right after her and being more successful internationally.

by Anonymousreply 10003/29/2013

She worked damn hard - both in her early 50s Italian films when she did several a year, and also once she went to America and later in Europe. She also leart English quickly and perfectly (others like Mastroianni or Vitti couldn't). It was all work for her.

by Anonymousreply 10103/29/2013

Even more than Taylor, Loren must have worked with just about everybody - from Grant and Gable to Burton & O'Toole, pity hers with Newman and Brando were not that good (Lady L, Countess From Hong Kong). Add in Clifton Webb, Alan Ladd, john Wayne, William Holden, Peter Sellers, Chuck Heston, Alec Guinness, Stephen Boyd, Omar Sharif, Mastroianni of course, Gregory Peck, Sinatra, Perkins, Tab Hunter, DL fave John Gavin, Anthony Quinn (3 times), Belmondo ...

by Anonymousreply 10203/29/2013

Most of her older leading men were the same age as her husband so that was no excuse not to have a fling.

by Anonymousreply 10303/29/2013

Well, Sophia never worked with Jimmy Stewart, Bill Holden, Bing Crosby or Gary Cooper.

by Anonymousreply 10403/29/2013

She did with Holden, in The Key, 1957, little seen now.

Taylor never worked with Grant or Gable ... but then she was not teamed much with older guys.

by Anonymousreply 10503/30/2013

neither did Taylor, r104, whats your point ?

by Anonymousreply 10603/30/2013

What's interesting is that Loren got more beautiful over time. In the fifties, she's almost homely. I presume she had quite a lot of work done, because her face gets more streamlined as the years progress, and by the late 60's she's drop dead gorgeous. As an actress, she was always far better in her Italian films. In her American movies she's okay, but almost seems bland. Lollobrigida is better in her American comedies than Loren. Now, unfortunately, she looks like a wax version of herself.

by Anonymousreply 10703/30/2013

Sophia was meant for the styles of the 1960s, just like Audrey Hepburn was. Also, Sophia looked her best in her 30s-40s because she grew into her facial features.

by Anonymousreply 10803/31/2013

[quote] Sophia was meant for the styles of the 1960s, just like Audrey Hepburn was

Hepburn did not suit the mod look.

by Anonymousreply 10903/31/2013

Are you nuts R91? I'll take her sultry sexiness looks over some Nordic ice queen.

by Anonymousreply 11003/31/2013

Loren got trannier looking with age. The clumpy mascara and lip liner demarcation didn't help. The older she got, the uglier. The heavy sixties eye paint could take plain to interesting in just about anyone, even Amy Winehouse. Sophia isn't fooling me but I admit I do come from an above average looking family as a whole.

by Anonymousreply 11103/31/2013

Loren was a goddess in my opinion. Peter Sellers was so infatuated with her that he was ready to dump his wife and marry her if she had agreed. Cary Grant also wanted her.

She's got a warmth and earthiness that straight men find very sexy.

by Anonymousreply 11203/31/2013

Interesting info about her mother.

"Romilda looked so much like Greta Garbo that people stopped her on the street to ask for her autograph. When she won a Greta Garbo look-alike contest at the age of 17—the prize being a screen test at MGM in Culver City—her mother refused to let her go."

Re the Jayne Mansfield photo:

"Photographers surrounded her, but her party was crashed by Jayne Mansfield in an alarmingly low-cut dress—complete with wardrobe malfunction—in a publicity stunt seeking to upstage Sophia Loren’s moment. That stunt would augur Sophia’s problems with Hollywood: she was initially perceived as little more than a busty Italian bombshell—and Jayne Mansfield was there to prove that there were already homegrown sex goddesses in residence."

by Anonymousreply 11303/31/2013

R112, you numbskull, Cary Grant wanted Sophia to make him straight.

I completely disagree with r109, like the rest of the world does. The 1960s made Audrey Hepburn's looks. Before that she was childlike, not glamorous.

by Anonymousreply 11403/31/2013

[quote]That stunt would augur Sophia’s problems with Hollywood: she was initially perceived as little more than a busty Italian bombshell—and Jayne Mansfield was there to prove that there were already homegrown sex goddesses in residence."

That stunt upstaged Sophia's moment all right, but the irony of it all is that it's those kind of stunts that would derail Jayne's career, while Sophia would go on to eclipse Jayne in popularity, appeal, career, and longevity. Sophia was probably pissed about it at the time, but today, she probably lets out a big laugh and thinks, "Guurl, please!" (in Italian, of course).

by Anonymousreply 11503/31/2013

Did Lollobrigida give up trying to be a Hollywood star by the mid-60s? Or was Hollywood just not interested once Loren came became more established in the USA?

Gina was more conventionally beautiful but IMO seemed to lack the comedic and earthy touch Sophia could bring to American comedies, despite the upthread comment.

I wonder, too, if the lack of professional and personal connections to DeSica, Mastroianni and obviously Ponti stalled Gina's career?

Neither lady made a film with Fellini, isn't that correct? I wonder if that was his choice or theirs?

by Anonymousreply 11603/31/2013

Gina turned forty in 1967 which probably didn't help her career. Loren definitely made more memorable movies.

I'm not quite sure how the following happened, but as I remember reading it on DataLounge:

The producers of "Falcon Crest" wanted Sophia Loren for a role and she was too expensive, so they ended up with Gina and on their first meeting the first thing she said to them was something like "How nice it is to have a part. I'm tired of being offered Sophia Loren's leftovers." The two producers both looked at each other and the rest of the meeting was rather awkward.

by Anonymousreply 11703/31/2013

Gina was actually still quite popular in the 1960's, notably for her lightweight romantic comedies like COME SEPTEMBER (1961) and BUONA SERA, MRS. CAMPBELL (1968). But I think by then she had other interests to keep her preoccupied, like scupting and photography. I don't think she had the same drive as Sophia, and once said she became an actress by mistake.

by Anonymousreply 11803/31/2013

Very odd and manly looking.

by Anonymousreply 11904/01/2013

Liz was Regal (Hollywood style). Sophia was an exotic earth mother.

They are both at the very top. What a shame they never did a film together.

If you don't think Sophia was a great actress, watch this clip (link below) of scenes from the Countess of Hong Kong.

It is without voices. Watch Loren's expressions and movements. Watch her at 1.30 reading the book as Brando watches on. She is impeccable.

She was Brando's best screen match. They are a great couple together.

The only actress that could rival Liz Taylor was Sophia Loren.

by Anonymousreply 12004/01/2013

R91, bitch please! Beauty is so much more than the just the Nordic goddess. What a limited perspective you have. IMHO I think Grace Kelly is really the only star who equaled Loren in screen presence. It's not just about the face, but the body, movement and voice. Taylor didn't really have anything but a face. And Kelly, she was Irish/German, not Nordic like Garbo and Bergman.

by Anonymousreply 12104/01/2013

Physically, it was all downhill for Liz after Cleopatra....once she hooked up with Burton.

Even in The VIPs and The Sandpiper she was already gaining weight.

Sophia looked glorious well into the 1970s.

by Anonymousreply 12204/01/2013

Interestingly as Taylor's career waned in the 1970s Loren made 2 films with Burton - the dreadful remake of BRIEF ENCOUNTER in 74, which was laughably bad and a final De Sica, THE VOYAGE, which was never released at the time, seeing it on dvd now its just so-so. There was a photo at the time of Loren and Taylor together, but I can't find it now, when the Pontis had the Burtons staying with them, trying to help them repair their marriage.

Not many saw it at the time but the film of the show MAN OF LA MANCHA shows Loren being absolutely stunning and dominating the show, including Peter O'Toole, who also raved about her, she always beat him at cards !

by Anonymousreply 12304/01/2013

Grace Kelly's beauty was in a league of it's own, she looked far better than Loren or Taylor.

I'm not very familiar with Lollobridgida, is there any reason Loren had an edge over her?

[quote]Even in The VIPs and The Sandpiper she was already gaining weight.

She was gaining weight before that, she had a matronly figure in "Cleopatra". She aged terribly; her lower budget equivalent - Joan Collins aged much better.

by Anonymousreply 12404/02/2013

Grace Kelly's beauty was short lived. As Princess Grace she became matronly rather quickly.

Liz and Loren could be elegant but also sexy and earthy...Grace couldn't.

by Anonymousreply 12504/02/2013

Grace was the epitome of elegance always, and she was really sexy in films like Rear Window and To Catch of Thief.

She was so polar opposite of Loren though, you can't really compare the two. Both were gorgeous in their way, the sum of many parts.

by Anonymousreply 12604/02/2013

Would straight men have found Loren to be the sexiest? And straight women wanted look like Kelly?

by Anonymousreply 12704/02/2013

I found Grace Kelly to be kind of bland.

by Anonymousreply 12804/02/2013

R122 Liz regained her beauty in the eighties. When you look at pictures of her slimmed down and tanned, she was gorgeous. That period lasted about ten years.

by Anonymousreply 12904/02/2013

[quote]I found Grace Kelly to be kind of bland.

Whenever a person with no discernible physical flaws is mentioned DL, the vapid queens who couldn't say something nice if it killed them always describe said person as being [italic]bland[/italic].

by Anonymousreply 13004/02/2013

Taylor's skin looked awful tanned (see her "Here's Lucy.) as most people do. Her skin looked like leather in the eighties. Tanning is partly what aged her so badly.

by Anonymousreply 13104/02/2013

Here's a good pic of Taylor in the eighties:

by Anonymousreply 13204/02/2013

[quote]I'm not very familiar with Lollobridgida, is there any reason Loren had an edge over her?

Lollobrigida was the first postwar international sex symbol to make a big splash in the US, and she was a big deal at the time. Howard Hughes brought her over, signed her to a seven-year contract with RKO, and gave her a big publicity push. She landed the covers of Time, Look, Esquire, and Life (twice! 1953 &1954) in short order, and her short 'tossed salad' hairdo became all the rage, even inspiring an episode of "I Love Lucy" ("The Black Wig"). She even got a mention in "Lucy's Italian Movie" (Ethel: "Hey look, there goes Gina Lollobrigida!" Fred: "Where? Where?").

Unfortunately, RKO was collapsing under Hughes' monomaniacal reign. Creative talent, executives, and shareholders were jumping ship, and Lollo got lost in the shuffle. After her American film debut in BEAT THE DEVIL (1953), she wouldn't work in another US production until TRAPEZE (1956), and by then Lollo was facing stiff competition from the likes of Brigitte Bardot and later, Sophia Loren in the international sex symbol sweepstakes. Lollo would continue to be popular in the '60s, but her films and performances weren't as memorable, award-winning, or timeless as Loren's. That, combined with the fact that Lollo would retire in 1973 (with a brief respite in the '80s with "Falcon Crest"), while Loren never stopped working, is why Loren is better remembered today.

by Anonymousreply 13304/02/2013

Virna Lisi TOPS them all!

by Anonymousreply 13404/02/2013

Nobody was more ambitions than Loren when she started out, progressing from small parts from 1950 on, she soon overtook Silvana Mangano - Dino De Laurentiis's star and wife - and then Gina Lollobrigida. Loren was doing 4 films a year or so then, some of those early Italian ones are quite good, like Too Bad Shes Bad, the first with Mastroianni & De Sica, or Woman of the River.

Mangano was terrific with that great profile, but was not really ambitious and mainly appeared in her husband's productions. A lot of Lollo's films never got shown outside of Italy. She did a terrific Esmerelda in a 1956 Hunchback of Notre Dame with Anthony Quinn, one of the first films I saw as a kid, ande she sizzles in Solomon & Sheba. She later showed a flair for comedy in Come September and Buona Sera Mrs Campbell, but she retired in the 70s and became a well-known photo-journalist, and she is still going at 85. She seems to have had lots of romances .... and is currently in the news about a supposed marriage by proxy which she is now denying.

Sophia continues in seclusion in Geneva, at 78.

Claudia Cardinale is still marvellous too and still working, also in her 70s. She and Monica Vitti (who now seems to be ill with alzheimers) were the arthouse darlings of the 60s and 70s who also diversified into comedy and international films. I love Vitti as Modesty Blaise in 1966.

by Anonymousreply 13504/03/2013

It would be interesting to see Loren with Burton - must check their availability.

I never wanted to see Man of La Mancha at the time, but with Loren and O'Toole it has to be worth a look?

by Anonymousreply 13604/03/2013

Virna Lisi too, often gets overlooked, but she still looks terrific now.

by Anonymousreply 13704/03/2013

Thank you, R133.

by Anonymousreply 13804/03/2013

And what was I, chopped horse meat??

by Anonymousreply 13904/03/2013

Not Italian, of course, but Elke Sommer definitely rivalled all those girls in the 1960s.

IMO she was the sexiest and even managed to have a bit of talent for comedy in The Prize with Paul Newman and one of those Peter Sellars Pink Panther movies whose title escapes me at the moment.

I loved her iconic upswept tease blond hairdo with the heavy 1960s bangs and tried to get my childish hair to do the same thing. Yes, I am a male.

by Anonymousreply 14004/03/2013

And don't forget Capucine!

How did one properly pronounce that name?

by Anonymousreply 14104/03/2013

Capu - cheen.

She is terrific in the first Pink Panther and Whats New Pussycat, and with John Wayne and sexy Fabian in North to Alaska, and of course Walk On The Wild Side, where she and Laurence Harvey hated each other - then there's her first one with Dirk Bogarde - her gay best friend - Song Without End, and 2 with her lover William Holden, The Lion in 1962 and The Seventh Dawn in 1964, she keopt working on and off but her major years were over by the mid 60s. She committted suicide in 1990 by jumping from her 8th floor apartment in Lausanne, Switzerland.

by Anonymousreply 14204/03/2013

Elsa Martinelli was another Italian beauty, still here now. She is amusing in Hawks' Hatari in 1962, with John Wayne and those baby elephants.

Alida Valli is the other great Italian female, whom Selznick introduced in Hitchcock's The Paradine Case in 1948, she is also in The Third Man, and had lots more successes back in Italy, like in Visconti's Senso with DL boy Farley Granger in 1954, its a stunning performance.

Silvana Mangano is another favourite - Bitter Rice, Anna, The Sea Wall with Tony Perkins, The Tempest, Mambo, Five Branded Women (with Jeanne Moreau, Vera Miles & Barbara Bel Geddes).

by Anonymousreply 14304/03/2013

Yes I remember Elsa Martinelli in The VIPs. She did lots of European movies that never made it to the States.

Virna Lisi was a stunner as well.

by Anonymousreply 14404/03/2013

So thats 10 great Italian actresses:

Anna Magnani / Alida Valli / Silvana Mangano / Gina Lollobrigida / Sophia Loren / Monica Vitti / Claudia Cardinale / Elsa Martinelli / Virna Lisi / Laura Antonelli (terrific in Visconti's last film The Innocent).

Are there 10 comparable French actresses? Perhaps:

Simone Signoret / Jeanne Moreau / Catherine Deneuve / Francoise Dorleac / Isabelle Adjani / Isabelle Huppert / Danielle Darriuex / Fanny Ardant / Stephane Audran / Anouk Aimee / Brigitte Bardot.

Better start a French thread then ....

by Anonymousreply 14504/03/2013

R145, For great French actresses, I'd add Annie Girardot and Romy Schneider, who, though born in Austria, was a French citizen and contributed greatly to French cinema.

by Anonymousreply 14604/03/2013

The French actresses definitely beat the Italian ones. I'd add Binoche and Cotillard.

by Anonymousreply 14704/03/2013

And it's capu-seen, French for nasturtium.

by Anonymousreply 14804/03/2013

Basta, start you're own thread for our Northern grumpy cousins!

Not back to me and my earthy, voluptuous beauty.

by Anonymousreply 14904/03/2013

Sophia R149, dopo tutto questo tempo, il tuo inglese è molto scarso. Che peccato!

by Anonymousreply 15004/03/2013

Really, does it matter?

by Anonymousreply 15108/04/2013

[quote]Liz Taylor in a meat sauce

I must add that to my menu!

by Anonymousreply 15208/04/2013

R152 - You'll serve anyone.

by Anonymousreply 15308/04/2013

R153 And TO anyone!

by Anonymousreply 15408/04/2013

Elsa Martinelli makes a cameo appearance in the "I Love Lucy" grape stomping episode. She is the covergirl of the magazine that Lucy is reading to get some info on the movie she is going to star in (Bitter Grapes) for her Italian cinema debut.

"Mama mia...bella bambini...aye aye aye aye aye."

"The calla lillies are in bloom again....oh, I mean..Mama mia those calla lillies, they gots to bloom." (Nice reference to Lucy's castmate, Kathrine Hepburn in "Stage Door.")

by Anonymousreply 15508/04/2013

R142, Capucine was a bi-polar bisexual. William Holden was a womanizer and she was a conquest, later, friend.

by Anonymousreply 15608/05/2013

For a long time I believed sophia Loren was all figure and no talent, but

# there's that final shouting scene from la Fortuna di Essere Donna

# Una Giornata particolare - watch that movie with Marcello Mastroianni. It is truly one of the best performances, and the direction is masterful as well. Very, very recommended.

by Anonymousreply 15708/05/2013

Hasn't Penelope Cruz inherited some of Loren's acting style? I enjoy watching Cruz better, though

by Anonymousreply 15808/05/2013

God, OP. Don't be so lazy and expect everyone else to make up your mind for you. Do some research and maybe you might come across one of the best Oscar winning performances ever. "Two Women."

by Anonymousreply 15908/05/2013

Great talent as well as Liz Taylor in a meat sauce.

by Anonymousreply 16008/05/2013

When is Sophia's next movie due? Will it be late this year? Her son is the director.

by Anonymousreply 16108/05/2013

I just love the title of this thread. Bravo DL.

by Anonymousreply 16208/05/2013

Mama Mia!!

by Anonymousreply 16308/07/2013

Sopia Loren is one of the great beauties of the screen and a terrific actress- comedic and dramatic. Came from nothing and became one of the most regal beauties in the world.

Taylor is her equal as a beauty and as an actress although she is vulgar, deliberately so, and down to earth- She was a great broad and made terrific use of her celebrity. She was also when thin and healthy perhaps the most beautiful human being in the world.

by Anonymousreply 16408/07/2013

One of the most gorgeous actresses ever. AND talented - comedy or drama. And I don't remember ever having heard a negative comment about her from anyone who ever worked with her.

by Anonymousreply 16508/07/2013

Posted in another thread. Loren at her peak.

by Anonymousreply 16610/13/2014

[quote]Liz Taylor in a meat sauce

I wonder how that would pair with a nice Chianti?

by Anonymousreply 16710/13/2014

Supposedly, Cary Grant was madly in love with her and wanted to marry her; but she chose Carlo instead.

by Anonymousreply 16810/13/2014

She's a great talent.

But what's wrong with either Liz Taylor or meat sauce?

by Anonymousreply 16910/13/2014

The only things I ever saw were Two Women and Nine.

I think she was like the Halle Berry of her day. One good performance that surprised everybody and got her an Oscar and then the rest was nothing.

by Anonymousreply 17010/13/2014


by Anonymousreply 17110/13/2014

With Jayne M

by Anonymousreply 17210/13/2014

She carried weight better than Liz did.

by Anonymousreply 17310/13/2014
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