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Are Mike Huckabee And The Evangelicals Threatening To Quit GOP Over Marriage Equality?

Threat or a promise?

On Monday, Mike Huckabee threatened the GOP with abandonment – of himself and other evangelicals – if Republicans don’t conform to his ‘objective’ standard on marriage equality. The occasion was an interview on Newsmax TV, wherein commentator Kathleen Walter asked:

“Do you see the [GOP] ever pivoting or doing a 180 on gay marriage?”

Huckabee answered:

“They might. And if they do, they’re going to lose a large part of their base because evangelicals will take a walk. And it’s not because there’s an anti-homosexual mood, and nobody’s homophobic that I know of, but many of us, and I consider myself included, base our standards not on the latest Washington Post poll, but on an objective standard, not a subjective standard.”

Hold the phone! An objective standard? What, exactly, is that standard? Huckabee obliges:

“Let me explain what I mean by that. If we have subjective standards, that means that we’re willing to move our standards based on the prevailing whims of culture. Politicians have an obligation to be thermostats, not just thermometers. They’re not simply to reflect the temperature of the room, or the culture, as it were. They’re to set the standards for law, for what’s right, for what’s wrong, understanding that not everybody’s going to agree with it. On this issue, I recognize the culture is moving away from the traditional standard…”

What’s right and what’s wrong are objective calls, free from the influence of culture? And they have to do with tradition? Someone buy the man a dictionary! Please. In the meantime, here are a few definitions, straight from Merriam-Webster:

“Definition of OBJECTIVE…of, relating to, or being an object, phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers.”

Got that? PERCEPTIBLE BY ALL OBSERVERS. Like, maybe a hurricane or the Ozarks. But, to expand on the definition:

“…expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations.”

Of course, Huckabee’s standards are free from distortion by feelings, prejudices, and interpretations – since they are founded on tradition – right? Let’s see what Merriam-Webster has to say about that:

“Definition of TRADITION…an inherited, established, or customary pattern of thought, action, or behavior (as a religious practice or a social custom)…a belief or story or a body of beliefs or stories relating to the past that are commonly accepted as historical though not verifiable…the handing down of information, beliefs, and customs by word of mouth or by example from one generation to another without written instruction…cultural continuity in social attitudes, customs, and institutions.”

Social custom? Culture? Tradition is a cultural attitude? An inherited pattern of thought that’s NOT VERIFIABLE?

Who does Mike Huckabee – ordained Southern Baptist minister, former religious radio broadcaster, and current Fox News commentator –  think he’s fooling, claiming to be an objective arbiter of standards, free of cultural influences and personal opinions? Aside from himself, conservative Newmax listeners, and such media outlets as The Christian Post, he’s apparently got the backing of the GOP’s Republican National Committee Chair, Reince Priebus. Last week, Priebus told reporters that Republicans should listen to Huckabee on the issues:

“I always tell people: Listen to Governor Mike Huckabee. I don’t know anyone that talks about them any better.”

Really, Reince? ‘Cause your boy is telling evangelicals to take a walk and he’s going with them – due to his ‘objective’ standards on the issue of equal marriage. Listening to Huckabee is likely to result in the formation of a third political party – or maybe a fourth and fifth. After all, the GOP has splinters and fractures galore, and who wants to wind up in a party made of evangelicals? With no glue to hold the rest of the Republicans together, they’ll go flying off in every direction. Like confetti. How entertaining for

by Anonymousreply 3203/28/2013

Huckabe is a frontman. No worries. He's keeping the crazy base in line, claiming that Repubs "may" flip. They're flipping all over the place!

The GOP knows its base. Complete that literally can't judge what's going on before their eyes.

by Anonymousreply 103/27/2013

Yes. I think they should do that.

by Anonymousreply 203/27/2013


by Anonymousreply 303/27/2013

I hope that Huckabee follows through on this threat of abandoning the GOP. I would really like to be able to identify the evangelicals by their political party, separate from the Republicans, Democratic or Libertarians.

This is a 'snake in the grass' technique, as libertarians are learning, Extremists know that to get into power, it's best to hide among an established party. Otherwise they're obvious and, voters can see them for what they truly are, anti-democracy, and constitutional terrorists.

by Anonymousreply 403/27/2013

And go ahead, form a third party, please. Evangelicals are not a majority. Start a new party, we are sick of the racism and exclusionary practices based on your sick idea of God. Don't let the door hit you on the ass, bye bye!

by Anonymousreply 503/27/2013

I wish Mike Huckabee would quit THE EARTH

by Anonymousreply 603/27/2013

Buh-bye, Fuckbee!

Don't let your cat-torturing OBESE son's ass hit him on the way out!

Fucking shitbags!

by Anonymousreply 703/27/2013

"Don't let your cat-torturing OBESE son's ass hit him on the way out!"

Reminds me of the funny Christmas card of his family that someone posted here years ago...

by Anonymousreply 803/27/2013

Oh, that picture of the lovely family...

by Anonymousreply 903/27/2013

r9, thanks for posting that!

Next to his sons, Huckabee looks like Kate Moss on a hunger strike

by Anonymousreply 1003/27/2013

Clearly these guys use food as a substitute to cope with some troubling issue.

by Anonymousreply 1103/27/2013

[quote]And it’s not because there’s an anti-homosexual mood, and nobody’s homophobic that I know of,

Right. The issue is of fundamental importance to you because . . .?

by Anonymousreply 1203/27/2013

I think this is a great idea. It would split the GOP and guarantee they never win an election again in my lifetime, at least.

I'm sure this doesn't occur to them, what with their home-schooled math backgrounds.

by Anonymousreply 1303/27/2013

r13, they perfectly know that. What he hopes is that a) the other side of the Republican Party doesn't know that or b) don't want to risk calling his bluff where both sides come off as weak.

by Anonymousreply 1403/27/2013

[quote]They might. And if they do, they’re going to lose a large part of their base because evangelicals will take a walk. And it’s not because there’s an anti-homosexual mood, and nobody’s homophobic that I know of...

Hilarious. What a sea change it is going to be when the court upholds marriage equality. What will these bigots have to go on about then? It's like O'Reilly saying he doesn't understand the interest in this issue by progressives - it's because these bigots won't be able to use it as a wedge issue anymore, which they've been getting away with for the last two decades, three if you include evangelicals opposition to helping the sick in the '80s.

Once marriage equality is achieved and the baby boomers no longer walk the earth (some of whom I will miss), evangelical Christianity and Catholicism will be in the toilet.

by Anonymousreply 1503/27/2013

R6, thanks for the gut busting laugh!

by Anonymousreply 1603/27/2013

Since Huckabee is so hung up on the bible, that glutton and his fat fuck family need to worry about the fact that they're on a freight elevator to hell.

by Anonymousreply 1703/27/2013

Oh, they aren't go anywhere. The issue no longer has legs.

by Anonymousreply 1803/27/2013

Why, has the issue subsided?

by Anonymousreply 1903/27/2013

I believe the whole crowd of them should go out into the desert and pray and fast, until they find peace on this subject.

by Anonymousreply 2003/27/2013

[quote]Why, has the issue subsided?

Reason wins over fear given time.

by Anonymousreply 2103/27/2013

I think the issue (opposition to marriage equality) has subsided because our voice has been heard and as support has grown, more voices have been heard. I think the SCOTUS would be way off base if they don't pass a blanket ruling. Marriage equality is not abortion. Given the issues before them, there's no reason not to vote in favor, on a federal level, other than cowardice.

by Anonymousreply 2203/27/2013

"Given the issues before them, there's no reason not to vote in favor, on a federal level, other than cowardice."

Because Anton Scalia and the darkie are true profiles in courage.

by Anonymousreply 2303/27/2013


by Anonymousreply 2403/27/2013

Great! Then people will finally grasp the benefit and purpose of the GOP

by Anonymousreply 2503/27/2013

I'm convinced that there is no purpose or benefit to the Republican party anymore. The best thing that could happen is a splitting of the party.

by Anonymousreply 2603/27/2013

Mike, what do you say about these tidbits as they pertain to your family:

Proverbs 23: 1-3. "...put a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony."

1 Corinthians 6:19-20. " Therefore honor God with your body." I realize that you are honoring Gos with your bodies, but I don't think he meant you had to honor the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost all at once.

by Anonymousreply 2703/27/2013

Religion is so overwhelmingly exhausting. It ruins everything it touches. In some alternate universe where religion is vanquished, I could see Huckabee being a decent, affable man. Instead, he's a fat, unhappy punchline.

by Anonymousreply 2803/27/2013


I agree.

I believe we are in a realigning period where Democrats will be winning a good amount of presidential elections. And a part of the reason is the Republican party being in their bubble.

Marriage equality is awakened people even in the GOP. But in the Senate only Ohio's Rob Portman is on board. I do believe the northeast Republican senators may come next - especially Maine's Susan Collins (though a question is whether she fear a primary challenger should she get on board with support of LGBT on marriage equality).

The Republicans had a chance to shock people and take a lead on the issue of same-gender citizens having legal marriage as heterosexuals do. Steve Schmidt and Meaghan McCain advised the party to bring it to their party platform -- back in the spring of 2009. They were dismissed. And now the country is dismissing the Republican party.

by Anonymousreply 2903/27/2013

The Evangelicals will end up accepting defeat and turn around in trying to find a new way to make money off the new change in America.

That doesn't often get mentioned -- just how filthy rich these clean churches are. Not just with one particular religion ... many religions. Christianity. Catholicism. You name it.

This is lip service from the former Arkansas governor. He is not to be taken seriously.

by Anonymousreply 3003/27/2013

They wouldn't get as much attention if they formed their own party so they ain't going anywhere.

by Anonymousreply 3103/28/2013

This is sound and fury signifying not a whole lot.

by Anonymousreply 3203/28/2013
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