Is she bitter about it? Has she ever gotten over it?
Why wasn't Molly Ringwald in St. Elmo's Fire?
|by Anonymous||reply 111||03/20/2013|
She was 16 or 17 when the movie came out, younger when it was made. Molly is a good 5 or 6 years younger than Ally Sheedy.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||03/14/2013|
The Breakfast Club was made the same year and had almost the same cast.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||03/15/2013|
Ringwald could have played Ally Sheedy's part in "SEF." she looked old enough.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||03/15/2013|
Wouldn't do anal.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||03/15/2013|
She was busy filming Pretty in Pink with Andrew McCarthy, it took longer to film, because of the changes on the ending,
|by Anonymous||reply 8||03/15/2013|
John Hughes didn't direct "St. Elmo's Fire."
|by Anonymous||reply 9||03/15/2013|
Oh who cares, OP?
|by Anonymous||reply 10||03/15/2013|
She did one that's almost better, "For Keeps" with Randall Batinkoff ("The Billionaire Boys Club"). She's good in it. Love "St. Elmo's", the commentary with Joel Schmuckraker is very good.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||03/15/2013|
"The other night I woke up and went to the kitchen and made myself a peanut butter sandwich! It was my refrigerator, my bread, my jam, it was the best peanut butter sandwich I'd ever had!"
|by Anonymous||reply 12||03/15/2013|
Too ugly. She looked like a typical smelly ginger back then. Orange pubes.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||03/15/2013|
Love the smell of ginger guy's pubes.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||03/15/2013|
She was the Teen Queen, not part of the Brat Pack.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||03/15/2013|
Why wasn't Demi in The Breakfast Club?
|by Anonymous||reply 16||03/15/2013|
Demi wasn't in The Breakfast Club.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||03/15/2013|
[quote]Why wasn't Demi in The Breakfast Club?
She was busy working on St. Elmo's Fire.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||03/15/2013|
I think she was fortunate that she skipped that film. I never liked that movie. As a matter of fact, I thought it was the worst movie I saw in 1985 (and I saw quite a few movies that year).
|by Anonymous||reply 19||03/15/2013|
My favorite guilty pleasure movie. I always stop and watch at least 20 minutes when I flick to it.
It would not have been improved upon by adding the presence of Molly Ringwald. I wouldn't have wanted her portraying Jules' breakdown, Leslie's breakup with Alec, or Wendy's obsession with Billy, because the actors were just so darned perfect.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||03/15/2013|
Love the movie and yes, Molly was too young could not pull-off the post college Georgetown sophisticate.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||03/15/2013|
Yet another 1980s thread.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||03/15/2013|
R22: yet another whiny, pussified douchebag.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||03/15/2013|
Just for that remark, I'm gonna start eight more 1980s threads, Missy! That'll learn ya!
|by Anonymous||reply 24||03/15/2013|
[quote] She was the Teen Queen, not part of the Brat Pack.
She absolutely was part of the Brat Pack.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||03/15/2013|
howl, R12 stole my answer. Just watched it again, love Mare but, man, is that speech awful. Almost as bad as Rob Lowe's faux suffering, his mouth tensing... 'I'll change."
The whole movie is a hoot now, watch it and laugh. Ally Sheedy at her most annoying, Andie McDowell reading her lines phonetically ("He'll. Freeze."), Judd Nelson's flaring nostrils and a period after every word ("What... did... Kevin... tell... you.") And the worst gay neighbor character in film history, complete with perfect daiquiri and strawberry on rim.
And don't forget Howie... so uncool because he owns, gasp, a greeting card company. Hopefully he bought and sold the other characters after a few years (he was even cute... they just put glasses on him so he'd be, horrors, not Billy/Rob Lowe).
Loved it when I was 25 though. Cringe.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||03/15/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 27||03/15/2013|
The bar in this and "About Last Night" (w/Demi, Rob)look the same. There are similarities in the two films.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||03/15/2013|
Love the art direction in the apartments, the pink neon Billy Idol poster and the Nike runner fresco on the wall.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||03/15/2013|
"gonna be a man in motion, all's I need is a pair of wheels, take me where the music's playing, St. Elmo's Fire!"
|by Anonymous||reply 30||03/15/2013|
"I saw this gorgeous, long haired girl walking down the hall. She had been auditioning for something else and I thought 'She's Jules'! Followed her out to the parking lot and she jumped on her motorcycle, I stopped her and asked if she had done any acting. She said she was on "General Hospital."
|by Anonymous||reply 32||03/15/2013|
I doubt she is that upset about it. I saw recently and it has not aged well.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||03/15/2013|
St. Elmo's Fire was the best movie of 1985, which was one of the GREATEST for movies.
TEN BEST MOVIES OF 1985
1. St. Elmo's Fire
2. Out of Africa
5. Sweet Dreams
6. Lust in the Dust
7. Agnes of God
8. A Chorus Line
9. White Nights
10. Secret Admirer
There will never be another year like it.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||03/15/2013|
LOL R34. I hope you're kidding. My Top Ten Movies of 1985 would look totally different.
1. Back To The Future
2. To Live And Die In L.A.
3. Prizzi's Honor
4. Pale Rider
7. The Breakfast Club
8. Return Of The Living Dead
10. Runaway Train
That's just me, though.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||03/15/2013|
Don't try to draw her here OP. After she reads the fantasy about Rupert Grint, she will file rape charges against you.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||03/15/2013|
Loved "Reanimator" at the Waverly when I saw it, but rented it recently and couldn't even get through it. Maybe I don't like gore anymore.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||03/15/2013|
R34 and R35 Hello! "The Color Purple"?, "Witness"?, "The Goonies"? Fucking HELLO!!!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 38||03/15/2013|
R38 The Color Purple was good. I just can't watch anything with that fat, phony Okra Winfrey in it. I loathe that bitch.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||03/15/2013|
Nicknamed "The Little Chill"
|by Anonymous||reply 40||03/15/2013|
We really doubt that Ms. Ringwald cries herself to sleep at night over not being in that dreadful movie. Sorry, but them's just the facts of life.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||03/15/2013|
Gawd. What a hideous movie. I thought it was a really awful film. One of the worst of the 1980s.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||03/15/2013|
The Breakfast Club was better.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||03/15/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 44||03/15/2013|
[quote]Why wasn't Demi in The Breakfast Club?
Because she was busy doing "No Small Affair" with Molly's future co-star, Jon Cryer.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||03/15/2013|
Emilio's thick, juicy thighs make me drool in this scene, beginning at the 1:17 mark...
|by Anonymous||reply 46||03/15/2013|
[quote]The bar in this and "About Last Night" (w/Demi, Rob)look the same. There are similarities in the two films.
The interiors of the St. Elmo's Fire bar were built on a soundstage in LA.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||03/15/2013|
I love how all of those movies back in the '80s had the same actors in them. "Class", "About Last Night...", "Sixteen Candles", "The Breakfast Club", "Pretty In Pink", "Weird Science", "Blue City", "St. Elmo's Fire", "Wisdom", "The Outsiders", "No Small Affair"...it's like the same cast, give or take a few, in all of those movies.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||03/15/2013|
R48, that's why they were dubbed The Brat Pack.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||03/15/2013|
They were actually dubbed "The Brat Pack" because of two movies--The Breakfast Club and St. Elmo's Fire. The term was coined in a 1985 New York magazine article, and it's now usually described as the cast members of those two movies, although sometimes other actors are included. The "core" members are Emilio Estevez, Anthony Michael Hall, Rob Lowe, Andrew McCarthy, Demi Moore, Judd Nelson, Molly Ringwald, and Ally Sheedy.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||03/15/2013|
"Let's rock!" and the peanut butter sandwich monologue are in a fight to the death for the most cringe-worthy St. Elmo moment.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||03/16/2013|
[quote]"Let's rock!" and the peanut butter sandwich monologue are in a fight to the death for the most cringe-worthy St. Elmo moment
I dunno. That scene where Jenny Wright open-mouth kisses Rob Lowe with the bloody nose always skeeved me out.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||03/16/2013|
The "Ooglabooga-Booga-Booga Ah-Ah-Ah" chant provides the most cringeworthy moments for me.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||03/16/2013|
Just reading R53s post sent a shiver down my spine. So stupid, so dishonest, makes the characters look like they just met at a ballgame. And it's the last sound/line of the movie so we get to take that home with us.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||03/16/2013|
And yet, R54, every time I click upon it on TV, I am helpless not to stop and take a look.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||03/16/2013|
Yeah, I know, it may suck but it's "our" suck. P.S. One reason I despise Ally Sheedy, besides the fact that she was the worst actress alive back then, was her reaction to the Rob Lowe video scandal where he was taped with 2 underaged girls.
They were in Atlanta for the Democratic National Convention and Ally blamed that for his poor judgement "because, like, in L.A., people are used to movie stars but in Atlanta, they were staring and throwing themselves at us" or whatever the fuck.
Ally, you can certainly walk down the street in ATL now and not worry about anyone recognizing you. Now go puke up dinner.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||03/16/2013|
Seriously, R56, you really care about Rob Lowe's 198-whenever sex tape? Still?
|by Anonymous||reply 57||03/16/2013|
Gotta take me higher and higher
St Homo's Fire...
|by Anonymous||reply 58||03/16/2013|
Mare Winningham was pregnant during the filming of St. Elmos
In the music video she is holding a coat in front of her stomach to hide the pregnancy.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||03/16/2013|
Was it Billy's baby, R59?
|by Anonymous||reply 60||03/16/2013|
She sure was, R59. You can tell, because she looks "stuffed" and padded throughout the entire film.
Speaking of the St. Elmo's Fire cast, does anyone remember the fabulous Anna Maria Horsford, aka Thelma from the sitcom "Amen", as the hooker who was also convinced that Andrew McCarthy's character was gay?
|by Anonymous||reply 61||03/16/2013|
Honey at R57, let me explain implication -- if something has past tense in it, perhaps it means I felt that way back then.
Or, if you prefer, I sit at home smoldering over how unfair they were treated by the media and am still waiting for Rob to get an apology.
You must be a lot of fun at parties. Off to one myself, ta ta.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||03/16/2013|
ABC is developing a TV version of the movie as a series.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||03/16/2013|
R62, don't mind R57. He's over in the JT Suit and Tie thread freaking out over people who think of Justin as anything less than a deity.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||03/16/2013|
He could be my little G-d, Janbot.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||03/16/2013|
the son she was pregnant with killed himself in 2005. tragic
|by Anonymous||reply 67||03/16/2013|
[quote]"Let's rock!" and the peanut butter sandwich monologue are in a fight to the death for the most cringe-worthy St. Elmo moment.
and "You're not going to believe . . . how out of hand . . . it's going to be!"
|by Anonymous||reply 68||03/16/2013|
Coming soon to a theater new you.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||03/16/2013|
Heard St. Elmo's Fire theme song at Dunkin' Donuts this weekend after reading and contributing to this thread! Surprisingly rousing and a bit Phil Collins-ish. Complete departure from his harder rocking first hit "Naughty Naughty", which sounds more like Def Leppard or Billy Squier.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||03/18/2013|
The fact that Molly wasn't in "St. Elmo's Fire" has caused me countless sleepless nights and has thrown me into at least eighteen manic depressive episodes over the 28 years since. Those episodes have lasted anywhere from 2 days to 2 months. I have been to numerous psychologists and still I suffer. Molly...WHY???? Why couldn't you have just been in this fucking movie???? For the love of GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 71||03/18/2013|
[quote]Heard St. Elmo's Fire theme song at Dunkin' Donuts this weekend after reading and contributing to this thread! Surprisingly rousing and a bit Phil Collins-ish. Complete departure from his harder rocking first hit "Naughty Naughty", which sounds more like Def Leppard or Billy Squier
For a second I thought you meant the David Foster love theme.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||03/18/2013|
Isn't the David Foster love theme the St. Elmo's Fire theme song, Janbot? It is for me.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||03/18/2013|
You are literally haunting me, R73. It was funny at first, but now...not so much.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||03/18/2013|
Bummer, R74. I had just finished reading some other hater's screed on the "Suit & Tie" thread, and trollbotted you. It's off now. I wouldn't have known you were R74 if you hadn't told me.
Anyway, are you going to Tarzhay early tomorrow? I'm going to be the first person in the store. I'm so excited.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||03/18/2013|
The only people I know of who liked this movie were the same age (or the same mental age) as the characters when they saw it, and they loved it because they envied the lives of the characters and wished they too could be part of a clique of carefree, well-off, self-absorbed morons.
The critic David Denby called the director Joel Schumacher brutally untalented" and said "nobody over the moral age of fifteen" will like the film":
"St. Elmo's Fire isn't drama, it's gossip, and peculiarly early-adolescent gossip— a movie designed to be picked apart on the telephone. The turbidly self-important treatment of these vacuous college graduates, each one a 'type', is like a TV sitcom without jokes. St. Elmo's Fire is so depressing a portent of Hollywood's teen sycophancy because it not only devotes itself to stupid kids, it accepts their view of the world without any real criticism....The sole survivor of the general disaster is Ally Sheedy, who manages to make something charming out of the yup petulance."
|by Anonymous||reply 76||03/18/2013|
I've never seen the entire movie, yet Winningham always struck me as being terribly miscast among those seven.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||03/18/2013|
How so R77?
|by Anonymous||reply 78||03/18/2013|
She looked so much older than the rest and seemed rather dull in personality. If I'm not mistaken, that was her character (the steady, responsible one); however, physically she looked like a much older sibling or young mother than a cohort. I know that she was pregnant during filming, and I wonder if that contributed to her affect. My bias concerns her physically fitting in with the others, rather than her acting (for which I know she's been celebrated).
|by Anonymous||reply 79||03/18/2013|
Molly as Wendy, R79 R78 R77?
|by Anonymous||reply 80||03/18/2013|
WTF are you going on about, R80? R78 and I are discussing Mare Winningham.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||03/18/2013|
I am "going on," R81/R77/R79, about the fact that you found Mare Winningham unacceptable in the role of Wendy, juxtaposing that idea with the actual thread title, "Why Wasn't Molly Ringwald in St. Elmo's Fire." Like, maybe she would have been a better actor in the role.
You must do well in things that require reading comprehension.
When you got 1000 on your SATs, did you ask the College Board what they were "going on about"?
And I can just imagine having an actual conversation with you.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||03/18/2013|
The conversation about Mare was a detour from that of Molly. A detour. Understood? Have a lovely evening.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||03/19/2013|
Well excuse the fuck out of me, R83, for butting in on your "detour." I wish we used names here so I could butt out on you permanently.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||03/19/2013|
Come on fellas, can't we all just get along and talk about me? I really need the ink.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||03/19/2013|
Molly's had abetter career than most if the people we've been talking about.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||03/19/2013|
Not really a high bench mark there r86
|by Anonymous||reply 87||03/19/2013|
For the record, I believe it was one under aged girl, not two.
And the sex tape was of rob and another guy with a girl.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||03/19/2013|
Mare looked the same age, she was supposed to be the more wise, mature type. She recently co-starred with Ellen Burstyn on Broadway in "Picnic" - it wasn't a success, already closed and replaced by "The Big Knife."
|by Anonymous||reply 89||03/19/2013|
Mare was in Paul Simon's One Trick Pony five years before SEF playing a waitress the Simon character hooks up with. She sings a little of Me and Bobby McGee while partially naked in a bathtub.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||03/19/2013|
Christ, St. Elmo's Fire was dismal. It appealed primarily to people who wanted to see themselves in a bunch of privileged assholes. Also, the worst, most nonsensical "original" soundtrack song of the decade.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||03/19/2013|
[quote] Molly's had abetter career than most if the people we've been talking about.
Mare has had the better career than all of them, including Molly.
She is a two-time Emmy award winning actress, Oscar nominee.
Off the top of my head, none of the brat packers have ever scored an Oscar nomination, nor an Emmy.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||03/19/2013|
Molly's consistently worked. She also has written critically well received books. And now, an album of jazz music.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||03/19/2013|
I've never heard of Molly Ringwald or St. Elmo's fire. I googled both and still I am perplexed. Guess it was before my time (I'm 21).
|by Anonymous||reply 94||03/19/2013|
well at least you googled them, r94, that's more than the self-absorbed brats in my office would do.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||03/19/2013|
To the people saying what a piece of shit this movie is, we know it's not good, but it's entertaining in its awfulness, it plays camp nowadays.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||03/19/2013|
Someone should start a thread on Schmuckraker's other bad 80s youth film "The Lost Boys." I would, but I'm no longer a paying member.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||03/19/2013|
And you just had to post that fact r94?
|by Anonymous||reply 98||03/19/2013|
Even more importantly...
Why wasn't Heath Ledger in St. Elmo's Fire?!?
|by Anonymous||reply 99||03/19/2013|
Question of the century r99
|by Anonymous||reply 100||03/19/2013|
Do they smell like copper, R14?
|by Anonymous||reply 101||03/19/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 102||03/19/2013|
I heard she was too "gummy" so she didn't get the part.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||03/19/2013|
[quote]Schmuckraker's other bad 80s youth film "The Lost Boys."
You should be strung up for this comment.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||03/19/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 105||03/19/2013|
"ABC is developing a TV version of the movie as a series"
I wouldn't hold my breath. According to Wikipidia:
In August 2009, Sony Pictures Television received a "script commitment with a penalty attached to it" to adapt the film into a television series which would "use the movie as a takeoff point and as an inspiration as it introduces six new friends: three boys and three girls. Topher Grace and Gordon Kaywin of Sargent Hall Productions proposed the idea to Jamie Tarses; the three of them then recruited Dan Bucatinsky to write the pilot and got Schumacher to agree to the idea.
As of August 2012, there has been no further news, though Grace and Kaywin later saw the 2011 release of Take Me Home Tonight, a comedy film set in the mid-1980s whose principal photography had been completed in 2007.
|by Anonymous||reply 106||03/19/2013|
The Lost Boys was a fun film. I saw it twice in the movie theater.
The two Coreys were hilarious and Gertz & Sutherland were in their prime.
|by Anonymous||reply 107||03/19/2013|
I AM the same age as the characters in that film and I DID love it when I saw it back then. Yes, I romanticized their lives. Yes, I knew it was drek. Yes, I knew it would become camp at some point. But the dreamer in me, and the romantic in me did want to have THEIR problems because, you see, they didn't seem like real problems at all. One could afford all that angst when one was young and beautiful. And we were all young and beautiful then. So, I see it for the awfulness of the movie BUT through rose colored nostalgia glasses. Never again would Demi be so......Demi. Sitting in that perfectly appointed 80's (freezing) apartment with the curtains billowing. Hating her stepmonster. Wearing those fabulously tacky 80's fashions. Never again would Andrew McCarthy be so adorable, so ambiguously gay. Never would Rob Lowe be so pretty and unconvincingly playing a bad boy. And so forth. This movie was these young actors' moment in the sun. And represents a moment in the lives of the viewers who WERE around their age. It's awful, it's campy, it's bad but it's oh, so good, too. It can be all those things.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||03/19/2013|
I heard that Molly was so depressed about not getting a role that she sat on her living room floor for days, cranked up the air conditioner, and rocked herself gently back and forth...
|by Anonymous||reply 109||03/20/2013|
Was Demi Moore's character actually trying to kill herself when she opened the curtains and all the windows? Talk about taking the long way.
|by Anonymous||reply 110||03/20/2013|
"Was Demi Moore's character actually trying to kill herself when she opened the curtains and all the windows? Talk about taking the long way."
Apparently she was trying to freeze to death by wearing a filmy nightgown (or whatever it was she was wearing) and opening the windows when it was cold outside. The writer who thought that up must have been coked out of his mind when he wrote it, because it's one of the stupidest things I've ever seen in a movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 111||03/20/2013|