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FRC: No Right to Have Sex Outside of Marriage, Society Should 'Punish It'

Family Research Council senior fellow Pat Fagan appeared alongside Tony Perkins, the head of FRC, on Washington Watch yesterday to discuss his article which claims that Eisenstadt v. Baird, the 1972 case that overturned a Massachusetts law banning the distribution of contraceptives to unmarried people, may rank “as the single most destructive decision in the history of the Court.”

Fagan argued that the Supreme Court decision was wrong because it effectively meant that “single people have the right to engage in sexual intercourse.” “Society never gave young people that right, functioning societies don’t do that, they stop it, they punish it, they corral people, they shame people, they do whatever,” Fagan said.

The court decided that single people have the right to contraceptives. What’s that got to do with marriage? Everything, because what the Supreme Court essentially said is single people have the right to engage in sexual intercourse. Well, societies have always forbidden that, there were laws against it. Now sure, single people are inclined to push the fences and jump over them, particularly if they are in love with each other and going onto marriage, but they always knew they were doing wrong. In this case the Supreme Court said, take those fences away they can do whatever they like, and they didn’t address at all what status children had, what status the commons had, by commons I mean the rest of the United States, have they got any standing in this case? They just said no, singles have the right to contraceptives we mean singles have the right to have sex outside of marriage. Brushing aside millennia, thousands and thousands of years of wisdom, tradition, culture and setting in motion what we have.

It’s not the contraception, everybody thinks it’s about contraception, but what this court case said was young people have the right to engage in sex outside of marriage. Society never gave young people that right, functioning societies don’t do that, they stop it, they punish it, they corral people, they shame people, they do whatever. The institution for the expression of sexuality is marriage and all societies always shepherded young people there, what the Supreme Court said was forget that shepherding, you can’t block that, that’s not to be done.

by Anonymousreply 3804/16/2013

So their idea of a perfectly functioning society is Saudi Arabia?

by Anonymousreply 103/12/2013

"functioning societies don’t (give people the right to engage in sex outside of marriage), they stop it, they punish it, they corral people, they shame people, they do whatever."

And they do it so effectively, too. Just look at all of recorded history, or even better, the Bible: no extramarital sex, illegitimacy or fooling around there! No prostitution ever, in the history of "functioning" societies...

by Anonymousreply 203/12/2013

Conservatives really do hate "freedom", don't they?

by Anonymousreply 303/12/2013

Once again we see these people can't open their mouths without spewing some lie about history.

by Anonymousreply 403/12/2013

[quote] but what this court case said was young people have the right to engage in sex outside of marriage.

Who said its only young people who are having sex outside of marriage? Ronald Reagan was in his 40s when he knocked up Nancy.

by Anonymousreply 503/12/2013

What society in history has not had prostitution? Certainly none that exist today.

by Anonymousreply 603/12/2013

Some people fuck and enjoy themselves in this life. Always have, always will. This makes these loons crazy green with envy.

by Anonymousreply 703/12/2013

Good. Maybe they'll go after straight people for a change?

PLenty of straight young people having sex before marriage. Why don't the fundtards ever try to pass laws to punish them?

If they really started to pick on someone other than the gays, I might actually begin to wonder if they genuinely believe their sky-daddy BS.

by Anonymousreply 803/12/2013

If these assholes would let us get married, they'd do away with all kinds of sex outside marriage.

Problem solved.

by Anonymousreply 903/12/2013

[quote]"Society never gave young people that right, functioning societies don’t do that, they stop it, they punish it, they corral people, they shame people, they do whatever," Fagan said.

Folks, they want to Talibanize America.

by Anonymousreply 1003/12/2013

These people are the very first ones to attack Mayor Bloomberg for limiting the size of a soft drink, yet they turn right around and try to control people's sex lives.

Sarah Palin tweeted yesterday: "Stay out of our refrigerators!" Yet these same idiots don't understand the concept of staying out of our bedrooms.

by Anonymousreply 1103/12/2013

Permission for sex outside of marriage was never given in my time. It was mandated

by Anonymousreply 1203/12/2013

So is there a government group going around forcing these good single Christian people to use birth control and start fucking uncontrolably? Is that what they are afraid of?

by Anonymousreply 1303/12/2013

Fundamentalism = the fear that somewhere someone is enjoying themselves.

by Anonymousreply 1403/12/2013

They do and say anything for attention and power over others.

by Anonymousreply 1503/12/2013

I wonder how Pat "The Fornicator" Robertson feels about this?

by Anonymousreply 1603/12/2013

For these guys it's quite easy. All they have to do is becoming 'born again' and then they act all high allmighty like they are such a great moral authority.

by Anonymousreply 1703/12/2013

At least they're now attacking straight people...

by Anonymousreply 1803/14/2013

R1, That's what amazes me about these people. They hate Muslims, when in reality they want America to operate under Sharia law. Their beliefs are more in line with Muslim extremists than anything.

by Anonymousreply 2003/14/2013

[quote]may rank “as the single most destructive decision in the history of the Court.”

More than Dred Scott, or Plessy v. Ferguson? More than Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission? Bitch, please.

by Anonymousreply 2103/14/2013

They want "The Handmaid's Tale" to be reality and every woman and gays should live in fear of these lunatics getting their way.

by Anonymousreply 2203/14/2013

When are Conservatives going to wake up to the fact that many CELIBATE girls are prescribed the birth control pill for a myriad of medical reasons, including severe menstrual cramps? There was a time when offices had to have couches for women who literally fainted every month. Others stayed in bed for a few days every single month. The pill helps with many other medical conditions as well.

by Anonymousreply 2303/14/2013

White Male Controlling the USA is what FRC is really about.

by Anonymousreply 2403/15/2013

R20, I was saying that years ago and some on DL just thought I was engaging in hyperbole. I've always said that given the opportunity, Christian extremists would give Iran and Saudi Arabia a run for their money.

by Anonymousreply 2503/15/2013

These idiots really need to just die.

by Anonymousreply 2604/11/2013

Embrace neo-paganism.

by Anonymousreply 2704/11/2013

[R22] "The Handmaid's Tale" is one of my favorite examples of fundamentalism run amok. And of course there is always the smug hypocrisy exercised by the elite leaders of the movement.

Paging David Vitter

by Anonymousreply 2804/11/2013

[quote]More than Dred Scott, or Plessy v. Ferguson? More than Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission? Bitch, please.

Let's not forget the worst of all: Bush v. Gore.

by Anonymousreply 2904/11/2013

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by Anonymousreply 3004/12/2013

The FRC becomes less and less relevant with each passing day.

by Anonymousreply 3104/16/2013

Sex is un-American, unlike guns, which are very American.

by Anonymousreply 3204/16/2013

What are Senator Vittor's thoughts on this topic?

by Anonymousreply 3304/16/2013

[quote] Society never gave young people that right, functioning societies don’t do that, they stop it, they punish it, they corral people, they shame people, they do whatever,” Fagan said

Maybe if you live in Afghanistan. Fagan should move there. I've heard it's especially lovely this time of year

And if you really want to get technical, if these people believe in creationism that have to admit that God really gave the right to all people to have sex when ever, where ever they wanted. He did. Otherwise he would have created some type of physiological way to prevent unmarried people from having sex. Or at least he wouldn't have sex feel so good that makes people want to have it all the time. Just saying

by Anonymousreply 3404/16/2013

Well, I think it's about time they started focusing on heterosexual sin instead of picking on queers all the time.

If THIS kind of extreme Biblical literalism is what American fundies really want then they're going to have to regulate and punish their own sexuality first before they come looking for us gay folks.

Divorce should be illegal then, too. Women voting and taking positions of power? Heresy. Punishable by death.

by Anonymousreply 3504/16/2013

[quote]Conservatives really do hate "freedom", don't they?

Yes they do.

by Anonymousreply 3604/16/2013

Unfortunately, it's not just conservatives. Self proclaimed "progressives" can get into quite a snit over what is "appropriate" sexual activity. They just point their gun of prudery at different stuff.

by Anonymousreply 3704/16/2013

R34, if you haven't learned by now, God is cruel and sadistic. So he made sex an instinct so that you and I could suffer, for his enjoyment. Or so xtians tell us.

by Anonymousreply 3804/16/2013
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