Vivienne Westwood SLAMS Michelle Obama's fashion style in the NY Times
(And check out the beauteous Ms. Westwood in the photo at the link.)
Q. You must love our first lady, who is famous for recycling her clothes.
A.Don’t talk about her. It’s dreadful what she wears.
A.I don’t want to talk about it. Really, I can’t. She’s a very nice looking lady, but it’s a nonstarter regarding clothes that suit her. Jackie Kennedy was a different matter altogether. It just has to suit her and be something that makes a human being more glamorous. That’s what fashion is there for. It’s there to help, not just to make you look more conservative.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||07/23/2013|
The lovely doyenne of fashion herself.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||03/07/2013|
So Viv doesn't own a mirror, then?
|by Anonymous||reply 2||03/07/2013|
Fashion is there to help!
|by Anonymous||reply 3||03/07/2013|
Link to the NYTimes piece.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||03/07/2013|
Thank you, r1, I was think the same thing. VW is a train wreck.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||03/07/2013|
Vivienne Westwood is the ugliest woman on the planet, as well as the worst-dressed. The irony of it all! She looks like a frigging 72-year-old clown.
[quote]Westwood does not watch television or read newspapers or magazines.
Then stfu, you old cunt!
[quote]Dame Vivienne stated on television in 2007 that she had transferred her long standing support for the Labour Party to the Conservative Party, over the issues of civil liberties and human rights.
Oh, and I'm sure this had nothing to do with it. British conservatives hate Obama with a passion.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||03/07/2013|
This is Dame Vivienne's romantic partner, Andreas Kronthaler, her former student. He is about half her age or less.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||03/07/2013|
The glamourous couple at the British Fashion Awards.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||03/07/2013|
Is this criticism political? Is Viv conservative?
|by Anonymous||reply 9||03/07/2013|
r9, read what I wrote at r6.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||03/07/2013|
Holy shit Mother of Pearl.
I thought she was just some Ab Fab character Eddie would talk about.
She actually exists...... Well fuck me.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||03/07/2013|
r11, Ab Fab mentioned her once back in 1994. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
Viv's biggest accomplishment was Sex and the City.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||03/07/2013|
I love Viv but she and Ms Obama are light years apart when it comes to style.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||03/07/2013|
Vivienne Westwood is the same "designer" that Pete Burns loves to wear. Enough said.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||03/07/2013|
Westwood used to fuck Malcolm McClaren, so that should tell you everything you need to know about her taste level.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||03/07/2013|
[quote]So Viv doesn't own a mirror, then?
Those that don't do, teach.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||03/07/2013|
I love Westwood's clothing but she herself has TERRIBLE fashion sense. Actually, most designers look quite buffoonish, ironically. Lagerfeld and Galliano come to mind.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||03/07/2013|
What's wrong with Malcolm McClaren?
|by Anonymous||reply 19||03/07/2013|
She's kinda right. I don't like the high waist, sleeveless, A-line dresses Michelle wears. Or the 3/4 sleeve sweaters. Everything looks like she's a woman in girl's clothings. Her evening gowns have been beautiful, however.
Miuccia Prada is a complete frump, but designs very nice clothing.
So just because Vivienne dresses like shit, and designs odd stuff, doesn't mean she doesn't have an eye for fashion or a sense of what looks good on someone.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||03/07/2013|
[quote] Viv's biggest accomplishment was Sex and the City.
Are you confusing her with costume designer Patricia Field, another red headed train wreck?
|by Anonymous||reply 21||03/07/2013|
Oh, Vivienne - the 80's called; they want you back, pronto.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||03/07/2013|
Besides the fact he was an ugly, self-aggrandizing prick, R19?
|by Anonymous||reply 23||03/07/2013|
She's like a lot of the English loudmouths, sometimes they are really right and sometimes they are really wrong.
Did anyone here see the little documentary "Vivienne Westwood's London"? I really liked it and agreed with what she said in it.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||03/07/2013|
OMG, R8, they look like Tyrone Biggums and Tyreeta!
|by Anonymous||reply 25||03/07/2013|
In a statement released today from the Office of the First Lady, Mrs. Obama replied "Vivienne Westwood is an important figure in contemporary fashion design. For centuries Ms. Westwood has inspired the best work of designers throughout the world. Her collection for Kohls is inspirational."
Off camera, Ms. Obama was heard to mutter "Bitch please. You're a freak no circus would hire."
|by Anonymous||reply 27||03/07/2013|
Vivienne in the 1960s, she wasn't bad looking.
We all will get old, in her case, she still wants to dress like she's still in her 20s.
btw, Viv had a son with Malcolm.
"Vivienne Isabel Squire was born in Glossopdale, Derbyshire in 1941. Her mum had been a weaver in the cotton mills and her dad came from a family of shoemakers. They moved to London in the 1950s. Vivienne loved making and customising her own clothes."
|by Anonymous||reply 28||03/07/2013|
Punk, not hippie started eco-awareness ? This bitch has lost her marbels.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||03/07/2013|
[R24] I loved the documentary! She came across as very accessible and interesting. A true original. I would love to see her London.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||03/07/2013|
That photo at R28 is lovely.
The acid was not good to her.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||03/07/2013|
Totally agree with R20. I like Michelle Obama, but I don't follow the belief that she's some kind of fashion icon. She's younger and in better shape than most first ladies, and she usually looks nice and presentable, but I don't think anyone could describe her style as particularly innovative or interesting. (FWIW, I feel the same way about Kate Middleton.)
Also, while Vivienne could probably have been a little more diplomatic, she's certainly entitled to her opinion. And as someone who has had a major career in fashion, I think her opinion has a little more weight than the average person's?
|by Anonymous||reply 33||03/08/2013|
Michelle likes clothes and she tries different things. I've seen her look absolutely stunning on many, many occasions. But, sure, she's had some mere misses, as well as an occasional disaster. But, overall she's pretty good. What the fuck is Westwood talking about?
|by Anonymous||reply 34||03/08/2013|
Westwood doesn't like fashions that are conservative (whatever her politics are), and both Michelle and Kate Middleton dress very conservatively.
Well, that's her prerogative. She likes what she likes. But:
(a) not every woman should dress the same way, and Michelle looks great for someone who likes severely tailored and dark clothes
(b) Westwood is a hideous frump, and deserves to be laughed at for making claims like "Fashion is supposed to help" since her clothes and makeup accentuate her age rather than hide them.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||03/08/2013|
Right on, Viv!!! You go gurl!
|by Anonymous||reply 36||03/08/2013|
So she wants Michelle Obama to go out looking like a hooker as First Lady? Is this fashion critique a bit sexist in the end anyway?
|by Anonymous||reply 37||03/08/2013|
R37, are there only TWO possible fashion choices in the world? 1. J. Crew; 2. Hooker?
|by Anonymous||reply 39||03/08/2013|
Why can't you jackasses ever criticize a woman without calling her a cunt?
What the fuck is your fucking problem?
|by Anonymous||reply 41||03/08/2013|
r41 = Vivienne Westwood's cunt
|by Anonymous||reply 43||03/08/2013|
To begin with, I totally agree with R41. My father said never ever use that word because you are putting all women down. My dad said that is a misogynist word.
Now, I have never heard of this hideous clown, Westwood until now! Westoowd looks she pulled a bunch of crap from a pile of garbage at a city dump. The British are thee world's worst designers for women's clothes! If you want to look like a major frump or buy clothes from a nation which the people are color blind and/ or completely blind, then England is the place to go. The British love to put down Americans constantly on just about everything. I mentioned his before, but I watch a lot of BBC, Acorn, etc. and whenever they mention America or have an actor portray an American, its always very negative.
The only thing that I would have to disagree with some posters on this list about the criticism of British fashion is Kate Middleton. I 150% think she is a very classy dresser, she dresses her age yet she dresses appropriately for the position she is in. She is a major asset to the royal family.Kate dresses far better than the other royals who are royal frumps! she is one classy woman.
So Sorry to burst the bubble of the Michelle Obama worshipers, but Michelle is a horrible dresser,but nothing near the level of creepy crappy Westwood. Anna Wintour is Michelle's fashion adviser which explains it. Anna Wintour is a very overrated dresser, and she is an awful dresser.Michelle dresses inappropriately because she wears sleeveless dresses in the Fall and Winter, colors are badly put together, dresses too casual for a first lady who suppose to represent our country, or if she dresses up, she does it at inappropriate time. For example, at the recent State of The Union Address, she wore a dress that was more appropriate for a cocktail event or an elegant dinner party. she should have worn a suit and skirt or pants. Or, she could have worn a more appropriate dress.There are myriads of other Michelle Obama dress flaws.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||03/08/2013|
I just cannot stand fashion snobs.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||03/08/2013|
This is her greatest accomplishment.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||03/08/2013|
Does she seriously think the first black FLOTUS could get away with "edgy" clothing? The woman gets castigated for wearing sleeveless shift dresses and three-quarter sleeved cardigans, FFS! She changes her hairstyle and people act like she shot a puppy.
Plus, her ass is too big. She has horrid posture. Her brows are a disaster. And on. And on. And on.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||03/08/2013|
Would someone explain her political stance?
She switched to the conservative party over the issues of civil liberties and human rights? That doesn't make sense to me unless she's saying that she's *ANTI* those things.
I guess as a fashion designer, she has no use for those things considering the who behind her clothing.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||03/08/2013|
The woman is a seamstress. Does anyone really care what she thinks of the First Lady, or really, anything? Maybe varying threads or stichery methods.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||03/08/2013|
What r48 said.
And yet, I agree with most of the posters here on MO's choices: When she gets it right, she's stunning,especially her evening gowns, however I did not like either of her Inaugural gowns.
Otoh, well, I too dislike the sweaters, the 3/4 quarter length sleeves, the sleeveless in winter months. Also, her proportions are just too unwieldy to enable her to stray away from clean lines and tailoring.
I get it affluent, upper class women: toned upper arms are a starus symbol in your tribe and you want to show them off. Still, wait until summer to do it.
As for Jackie O, it's unfair to any First Lady to be compared to her. When you're 5'7', 118 lbs, with unlimited dough-ray-mee and a superb eye when it comes to fashion choices, you're in in a class by yourself; not to be lumped in with mere mortals.
There is Jackie O and then the rest of'em.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||03/08/2013|
I prefer designers who make their fashion statements thru their models and customers, the ones who adopt a uniform and stick to it. Black tee and dark jeans are what should be worn by those who dress others.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||03/08/2013|
I find that most of the "punk rockers and new wavers" from high school have turned into tiresome rightwing trolls. I guess it's their way of being "nonconformist". Idiots.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||03/08/2013|
Whoa, R53, why the ugliness directed at Della? That wasn't even necessary.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||03/08/2013|
Aww, you're sweet to stick up form me, r57. I'd go by "Anonymous" to avoid provoking the likes of r53, but I can't.
I yam who I yam, that is Della.
Anyway, I adore MO. I hope she writes a memoir after she's out of the WH. Being the first black FLOTUS is, to say the least,tremendous fodder for that.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||03/08/2013|
Team Della, that's me -- even when I (rarely) disagree with you!
|by Anonymous||reply 59||03/08/2013|
Oh God, shut the fuck up the two of you, and get a room.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||03/08/2013|
"The woman is a seamstress. Does anyone really care what she thinks of the First Lady, or really, anything? Maybe varying threads or stichery methods."
|by Anonymous||reply 61||03/08/2013|
I have always wondered how her business survives,year after year? Absolutely my least favorite "designer". Her and MM had the SEX shop in London. They were anarchists. They'd resell thrift shop clothes. Ripped, safety pinned, or spray painted, etc. with the SEX LONDON COUTURE,label sewn into them. She is a real couchon, and in french that spells pig madam!HA!
|by Anonymous||reply 63||03/08/2013|
Those of us who think Michelle has many flaws in the wardrobe department, why the hell do you fangurls bring up race and politics?! There are some fags on here who seriously need to be checked into a mental asylum!
|by Anonymous||reply 64||03/09/2013|
I kind of agree with R20. Michelle O's style, while being adventurous, is too over the place sometimes.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||03/09/2013|
I don't disagree Westwood is more do as I say, not as I look and God knows most of what she designs is suited solely to Edina Monsoon, but she's more right than wrong about Michelle Obama. Too often, she just wears unattractive outfits, particularly when she dressed up for yet another vice-regal sock hop.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||03/09/2013|
[quote]FWIW, I feel the same way about Kate Middleton.
Kate, for the most part, understands clean lines and simplicity. She gets it wrong from time to time but mostly she looks well turned out and role appropriate.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||03/09/2013|
Westwood is overrated. Seamstress is exactly what she is and nothing more. Completely without taste and lacking in artistry.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||03/09/2013|
Westwood is just a hack who gets a free pass, because idiots think her shoddy work and lacking color and pattern matching skills are edgy thanks to her (post) punk past.
It's one thing to know all the basics and then push the envelope just a little bit or put a fresh modern twist to an old fashion trend, but going way overboard and simply disgregard pretty much every basic rule of fashion in every single design is quite the other.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||03/09/2013|
sorry, it's 'disregard' in the second paragraph.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||03/09/2013|
The cut of Michelle Obama's coat, the high waisted thin belt, the flat shoes and the bangs.... it looked like she had studied Carla Bruni:
|by Anonymous||reply 71||03/09/2013|
Westwood is responsible for most of the stuff Helena Bonham Carter wears on the red carpet. Is the first lady supposed to go around looking like a crazed homeless person too? Michelle Obama doesn't set trends, but she is on trend for women of her age group. She will also give up and coming young designers a boost by wearing their clothes and she will also pieces that are not out of the price range of the average woman. Michelle Obama's image is that of an accessible First Lady. If youre a middle class wife (or aspiring to the middle classes) Michelle is like your fun, well educated bff. You have kids, she has kids. You both have workaholic husbands. Women freaking love her, even Republican women, they feel like she gets them. If she walked around in haute couture all the time it would seem ridiculous. Sure it's fabulous but it's not practical. Plus after the GFC is would be appear both insensitive and tasteless to walk around in fashion forward clothing worth thousands all of the time.
Like Westwood I'm not American, but I've worked in fashion, so its pretty obvious that Michelle's "look" is all about "I'm one of you". If everybody in fashion gets this, so should Westwood. But she's either too out of touch or she's being deliberately bitchy because the former punk fashion icon has grown into an old snob and she doesn't think that a first lady should try to relate the masses.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||03/09/2013|
She designed that monstrosity of a wedding dress that Carrie wore in the first SATC movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||03/09/2013|
I mostly agree R72.
I don't think Michelle Obama always has the best taste but at least she is contemporary. How great to finally have a First Lady who doesn't wear those pastel St. John/Escada style suits.
Also: Michelle Obama did start a trend for sleeveless and while I don't care for her wearing of sweaters in formal occasions, it is an interesting choice. I think she will be remembered for those two contributions.
In my opinion, Obama doesn't have the impeccable style of a Jackie O or a Carla Bruni Sarkozy but it doesn't matter... the look is modern and accessible and that's plenty.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||03/09/2013|
Please. All the bitch did was steal other people's artwork (mostly porn) and print it up on T-shirts.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||03/09/2013|
I think Vivienne is lovely and spot on about Michelle Obama.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||03/09/2013|
[quote]She switched to the conservative party over the issues of civil liberties and human rights? That doesn't make sense to me unless she's saying that she's *ANTI* those things.
Conservatives believe that their right to have a lot of money and pay no tax is threatened by the left. That's the extent of what they consider human rights and civil liberties.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||03/09/2013|
Vivienne Westwood, you in danger girl!
|by Anonymous||reply 80||03/09/2013|
I'm just exhausted of looking at high waisted skirts and dresses and big statement belts. I don't think the history will be kind to high waisted stuff...it just looks kind of clunky.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||03/09/2013|
If only Viv said that, r81, it is credible.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||03/09/2013|
Michelle Obama has terrible taste. Every once in a while someone dresses her to perfection, but she never stays with it. She just doesn't get it. And those sweaters? She wears them so that she can wear sleeveless tops underneath them. She has a fetish with sleevelessness.
But Vivian Westwood is a bridge troll. Here she is visiting Portland.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||03/09/2013|
[quote] Viv's biggest accomplishment was Sex and the City.
I thought that was Patricia Field
|by Anonymous||reply 84||03/09/2013|
I have to say, I love Michelle Obama to death, but I have not always been pleased with her fashion choices. I think she pretty much nails it for formal occasions, but her attire for other things leaves a lot to be desired.
The things I object to most, are her "casual attire" choices, which are often really too casual, and the sweaters and belts. Sometimes she gives me the impression she decided at the last minute to just throw a wide belt around a blouse for an "accent piece" and it looks awful.
Michelle, on those occasions, and with the damned J Crew sweaters, etc. looks unfinished,unnpolished. I am thinking of her first trip abroad with Ona,a when he spoke in Turkey? and then some daytime photo ops with the UK's Prime Minister's wife. Not impressed.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||03/09/2013|
Yeah. The belt fetish is another fashion crime.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||03/09/2013|
One of Michelle's WTF? sweater belts
|by Anonymous||reply 88||03/09/2013|
Whenever people complain about Michelle Obama's style, i think they need to be reminded of what we had before her:
|by Anonymous||reply 89||03/09/2013|
Thank you, R86! That's exactly what I meant. it doesn't look like it belongs there.
My sister had a terrible time learning to dress. We went to parochial school and had to wear uniforms. For the boys, it was black or navy pants and white shirts. For the girls it was plaid jumpers and white blouses, and they all had to be ordered from the same place.
After twelve years of uniforms (she went to a parochial girls' high school, while they sent me to public school to "toughen me up".) she had no fashion sense. I remember going with her to shop for college clothes and she was just lost.
She had no idea how to accessorize or finish an outfit so it look put together. She's much better now, but I am always conscious of these things as a result of her struggles.
The point is the fashion industry media touted Michelle as a fashion icon before there was any justification. I do see improvements in her choices, tho. I think she's grown. Altho maybe it was for the Inauguration, but those false eyelashes or the mascara, or something was way off. Her make up for the swearing in and daytime events. Not good.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||03/09/2013|
R89, there is NOTHING that Laura Bush could do to make herself look better. She is a slightly weasly-looking menopausal housefrau.
But there is a lot Michelle Obama could o to knock it out of the park.
What is she thinking here? Her outfit is reminiscent of a fairy tale wicked step sister.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||03/09/2013|
Why the fuck does it matter what MO wears? Why is she held to some standard or need to prove she is fashion competent?
I personally would be just as pleased to see her rocking out in a great pair of jeans and t-shirt, hanging with her daughters then worry about her fashion choices.
She seems like a bright woman, a good mom and a supportive partner. She is promoting health and fitness for kids, and seems to do well in her role as first lady. How she dresses should be a non-issue.
And I am sick of these "Designers" making personal attacks on women. Kunty Karl did it with Pippa Middleton and there have been others as well. They need to shut the fuck up, and remember that most of the shit they design is unwearable by about 99.999999999% of the population.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||03/09/2013|
[quote] They need to shut the fuck up
No they don't. They can say whatever they like and so can we. Michelle has every stylist in the US at her fingertips. Hire someone who can dress you properly. Pick colors that harmonize with your body tones instead of garishly sparkly/satiny shiny electric kool aid colors that clash.
Hillary Clinton looked like a near-unibrow cavewoman when she became FLOTUS. She eventually learned how to get with it and ditched the headbands.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||03/09/2013|
What r94 said.
Sorry, r93, you can be above it all while the rest of us preoccupy ourselves with shallow observations, but at least we're honest about.
Appearance matters. That ain't my rule. I wish that weren't so, but it does, especially when you're the FLOTUS. Don't forget that she represents us on the world stage and, as such, I'll have as much say as I want on her choices.
Besides, if I'm critical, it's in her best interests. I adore the woman.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||03/09/2013|
Some very good observant posts here.
However... I'll still take Michelle Obama's sometimes odd fashion choices over this any day:
|by Anonymous||reply 96||03/09/2013|
Ann Romney: The Devil Wears Chico's
|by Anonymous||reply 97||03/09/2013|
Oh Viv!!! Please stop! Glass houses dear, glass houses.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||07/22/2013|
r47 Tom of Finland is gonna' be PISSED!
|by Anonymous||reply 100||07/22/2013|
I wouldn't want to be in MO's position. There's no way to please everyone.
Just reading through the comments here, she's being criticized for both being too conservative and too unconventional. Some don't like her dark colors and tailored clothes, while some don't like colors and frou-frou. There's no pleasing everyone.
MO has muscular arms. They're not overly big, but they're toned and they're quite long. To keep from wearing tops that are constantly being strained at the shoulder seams (extremely uncomfortable and sometimes embarrassing), the only way to go is either sleeveless or three-quarter sleeves. Her arms are too long for full-length sleeves that are always too short for women with shoulders and few dresses are being designed with a relatively unfitted shorter sleeve. A looser elbow-length would be good, but when is the last time any of us saw an elbow-length sleeve? Those are design issues because clothing retailers prefer one size fits all, not MO flaws.
Have any of you looked to see what's available in the stores for a woman who's built like MO? There's not much out there. Lots of things like jackets that look like they've been shrunk. She can't wear them because of her body type. No woman with a butt can wear those things.
She has long arms and a big butt. She's also long-waisted, a difficult problem. She's being told to wear those dumb belts to make her look shorter-waisted, but it doesn't work.
Laura Bush always looked like she bought her clothes from Neiman Marcus. Those marshmallow pastel suits were straight out of their catalog pages. Did she ever wear anything that was memorable?
MO would be excoriated if she spent 1/100 of what either Jackie Kennedy or Nancy Reagan spent on clothes. She could do what Hillary Clinton did and start wearing dark pantsuits, but designers all over the U.S. would be falling on their swords.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||07/22/2013|
[quote]Did she ever wear anything that was memorable?
I can't believe cunty VW didn't excoriate her
|by Anonymous||reply 102||07/22/2013|
Michelle Obama has improved her style since becoming First Lady. She does have a particular shape with larger hips and needs to dress for it. Some of what she used to wear was unflattering. Anymore, she looks great anytime I see photos of her. I also like her arms better now. I don't like heavily muscled arms on women, especially mature adults. She has gotten rid of some of that, so that her arms are toned, but less muscled, at least when I saw photos of her overseas recently.
I thought R72's perspective was interesting and shows some good insight.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||07/23/2013|
Too easy a target I guess, R102.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||07/23/2013|
I love Michelle Obama but I think it's amusing when people try to portray her as a fashion icon.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||07/23/2013|