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Why Seth MacFarlane’s Misogyny Matters

Seth MacFarlane made a whole bunch of sexist, reductive jokes at the Oscars last night. It's frustrating enough to know that 77 percent of Academy voters are male. Or to watch 30 men and 9 women collect awards last night. But MacFarlane's boob song, the needless sexualization of a little girl, and the relentless commentary about how women look reinforced, over and over, that women somehow don't belong. They matter only insofar as they are beautiful or naked, or preferably both. This wasn't an awards ceremony so much as a black-tie celebration of the straight white male gaze.

MacFarlane's opening musical number, "We Saw Your Boobs," might as well have been a siren blaring, "This isn't for you." Come on, everyone likes boobs, right? No. The answer is no. They're not something I hate, and heck, I have a pair to call my own, and yet my takeaway from The Accused was not "Finally, I've seen Jodie Foster's breasts." My lasting memory of Boys Don't Cry is not "Hey, free breasts!" At least there was that super timely and relevant reference to Kate Winslet's many nude scenes.

Jeez, the song was a joke! Can't you take a joke? Yes, I can take a joke. I can take a bunch! A thousand, 10,000, maybe even more! But after 30 or so years, this stuff doesn't feel like joking. It's dehumanizing and humiliating, and as if every single one of those jokes is an ostensibly gentler way of saying, "I don't think you belong here." All those little instances add up, grain of sand by grain of sand until I'm stranded in a desert of every "tits or GTFO" joke I've ever tried to ignore.

Then came the joke about actresses getting the flu to lose weight. "It paid off," MacFarlane said. "Looking good." Well, thank God, because what matters to all women is that we look good for Seth MacFarlane. How many women did he introduce over the course of the night by mentioning how they looked: "Please welcome the lovely ___ ," "the beautiful ______"? How many men?

Uh, those are compliments! Now he can't even give women compliments?Compliment away, friends. Let's compliment the shit out of each other. But let's be really cognizant of what we compliment each other on, and what that says about what we expect from each other, and what we consider valuable and worth mentioning. It doesn't matter what Salma Hayek says, because she's so pretty!

You just don't like Seth MacFarlane's sense of humor. What did you expect?Actually, I do like Seth MacFarlane's sense of humor. (Sometimes. No one likes everything all the time!) I've been a loyal Family Guy viewer for almost fifteen years. I've been to — and adored — Family Guy: Live. If MacFarlane had sung "Shipoopi" all night, I'd be writing a really different story right now. Instead, there were jokes about how Rex Reed would probably call Adele fat — because that's what's important about her — and how someday Quvenzhané Wallis will be old enough to date George Clooney — because that's what's important about her — and how sometimes, gasp, a woman might have body hair — because that's what's important about them. Women are nags, and Jews run Hollywood! Thank you, Seth MacFarlane, for this cutting-edge humor. Like Mark Wahlberg said, the party's at Jack Nicholson's house. You remember, that place where Roman Polanski drugged and raped a 13-year-old girl. Ha-ha, ha-ha, ha.

I dream of someday watching women win all the non-performance categories, of women making as many films as men do, of women and men being nominated for a comparable number of awards. There are a lot of reasons why that day is far, far in the future. But I'll tell you what's not helping: the biggest night in film being dedicated to alienating, excluding, and debasing women. Actual gender equality is a ways away, but I'd settle for one four-hour ceremony where women aren't being actively degraded.

by Anonymousreply 11002/28/2013

While most people who support Seth claim he has a young, edgy, sense of humor, I find him to be completely old school-dreary.

Child-molestation jokes? Boob jokes? Jew jokes?

It was like being time-warped into the old Catskills days of old man dreck. Really, Seth was just doing Jerry Lewis.

I though we were rid of Jerry Lewis, finally. But I see we have his protege to bore us to infinity.

I was ashamed to be an American that night.

by Anonymousreply 202/26/2013

They need a straight female to host next year and sing "We saw your butt" to the male actors in the audience.

by Anonymousreply 602/26/2013

Well, "we saw your cock" would amount to a 15 second jingle about Fassbender, Keitel, dead Ledger, and tinymeat DiCaprio.

by Anonymousreply 702/26/2013

"I just emailed AMPAS told them that I was going to seriously consider avoiding the movies if they didn't invite Seth back next year."

The sad part is that you think that constitutes a threat of any kind.

Imagine if all Seth fans thought along that line. What a punishment to get quality movies back into the multiplexes.

by Anonymousreply 802/26/2013

She has stated her boundaries!

by Anonymousreply 902/26/2013

r2 THAT made you ashamed to be an American? For fuck's sake..

by Anonymousreply 1002/26/2013

did he call quevhazne a little cunt?

by Anonymousreply 1102/26/2013

[quote]Haters: Ratings win out over your imagined butt-hurt feelings!

[quote]Fuck you and shut the fuck up about this!

[quote]I mean it!

Um, who's butt-hurt, again?

by Anonymousreply 1202/26/2013

I guess she would have been happier had he said "And here's Paul Rudd and that gunnysack full of wet golashes, Melissa MCcarthy!"

by Anonymousreply 1402/26/2013

I'd love to see a "We saw your cock" skit, to be honest

by Anonymousreply 1502/26/2013

r12 -- Don't say "um," little goil.

by Anonymousreply 1602/26/2013

What R10 said. Seriously, get a grip R2.

by Anonymousreply 1702/26/2013

I kinda squirmed at the racial stuff ("freeing" Don Cheadle in the parking lot, etc.). It started to get weird.

by Anonymousreply 1802/26/2013

R2 here, and who fucking makes slavery jokes in 2013?

That's right, Seth does, and it's sooo-ooo edgy.

by Anonymousreply 1902/26/2013

Because there was a movie about Lincoln? Just a thought...

by Anonymousreply 2002/26/2013

[quote]I was ashamed to be an American that night.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRY!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 2102/26/2013

r2 How about the fact that we even idolize these celebrities so much to begin with? That makes us look worse than any awards show ever could. Other countries probably think our celebrity culture is ridiculous and wouldn't even watch the Oscars to see what goes on there. You're bringing up the small details of an event that is laughable to begin with.

by Anonymousreply 2202/26/2013

It's like saying the spectator that showed up in a KKK hood made all the rest of us in the audience at the "Big tits and hot asses" paegant look bad.

by Anonymousreply 2302/26/2013

His jokes were fairly worn.

The flu joke was in "The Devil Wears Prada" for god's sake.

"I saw your boobs"?! Why not just sing "I see London, I see France, I see Jodie's underpants" it is about the same level of humor.

He needs to get out of his ratpack persona and join the 21st century.

by Anonymousreply 2602/26/2013

Reductive? You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means

by Anonymousreply 2802/26/2013

[quote]I'd love to see a "We saw your cock" skit, to be honest

But you never will because male Hollywood stars are almost never required to show their cocks on film, let alone listen to some buffoon singing "I saw your cock" in reference to a film in which said cock was placed on display during a scene in which the actor was raped, beaten, or murdered.

by Anonymousreply 3102/26/2013

What is Nan Michiganwomyn think about all this?

Has she weighed in?

by Anonymousreply 3202/26/2013

I thought he came across as stupid and unfunny, too. Not cutting edge whatsoever, really "old-school unfunny."

R25 is correct. He was just plain unfunny. There was no intelligence, no wit, no surprise - nothing.

by Anonymousreply 3402/26/2013

Agreed, r30.

He's also the one who called MacFarlane's personal cell # to bitch about how Seth had no right to call him out for being a scab during the writers' strike.

Pretentious asshole.

I hated the boob number, and I usually don't find frat humour that offensive. If I don't like it, I just ignore it. I thought this was cruel in context.

by Anonymousreply 3502/26/2013

The boob number proves that he didn't run that idea by a woman.

by Anonymousreply 3602/26/2013

Beautiful, R25.

by Anonymousreply 3802/26/2013

[quote]He's also the one who called MacFarlane's personal cell # to bitch about how Seth had no right to call him out for being a scab during the writers' strike.

Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. How embarrassing.

by Anonymousreply 3902/26/2013

What would've been offesive if Christina Applegate had been included in the Boob song.

by Anonymousreply 4002/26/2013

He didn't write the 'women never let go of anything' bit; his Jewish friend did.

by Anonymousreply 4102/26/2013

[quote] It's not about looking good for Seth MacFarlane, you dumb cunt. It's about keeping themselves employable in a highly competitive industry where you MUST stay thin or you DON'T work. Hollywood ain't real life, honey where you can get fat and still keep your job. Even 10 pounds matters in regards to getting a job.

Seth's comment was expressed as personal appreciation. He didn't say something like "good strategic effort at keeping employed". The author was reacting to his comment, not criticizing the women for losing weight or questioning their reasons for losing weight for the oscars.

This kind of thing would have come off better from Seth if he'd spread it over to the men at least a litle bit too. What about the male actors who have taken of their clothes in some movies? What about the men who have made an effort with their appearance (also with the idea of increasing employability)? That thing on John Travolta's head took some work. The tone of his jokes were different for men than for women.

Contrast Seth's opening with Adam Samberg's opening as host of the Independent Spirit Awards. Adam was funnier, smarter, fresher and had more youthful material. Instead of going with the old school "hey, I like to look at naked broads and heh heh I got to check out some of your tits", Adam announced to Helen Hunt that he wasn't going to make any jokes about her nudity in the movie and then humourously castigated the men present for the year's lack of full frontal male nudity. You can see the ISA's first part at the link - Adam knocked it out of the park.

by Anonymousreply 4202/26/2013

[quote]While most people who support Seth claim he has a young, edgy, sense of humor, I find him to be completely old school-dreary.

He said in an interview that he called Billy Crystal for advice so what would you expect?

by Anonymousreply 4302/26/2013

[quote]What is Nan Michiganwomyn think about all this?

[quote]Has she weighed in?

Nan doesn't weigh in.

She has fought against body fascism for years and things aren't going to change now.

by Anonymousreply 4402/26/2013

I ignored everything you said because you failed to use the word reductive right. Like Madge says, look it up.

by Anonymousreply 4602/26/2013

r45 and r47.. You make me ashamed to be an American. Apparently you don't bother r2 though, so carry on.

by Anonymousreply 4802/26/2013

R45 IS R47

by Anonymousreply 4902/26/2013

If he really wanted to be edgy, he should have shitted on Heterosexual Straight White Males. Of course, he didn't..

by Anonymousreply 5002/26/2013

I'm with R10, people need to get some perspective on this. Some woman tweeted on Oscar night that she was "speechless with misery and despair" about the song. Seriously, a song about boobs caused her MISERY? I hope she never reads a real news story.

by Anonymousreply 5102/26/2013

the response

by Anonymousreply 5202/26/2013

Oops, it was misery and rage, my bad.

by Anonymousreply 5302/26/2013

R42, agree with you. ANDY Samberg was excellent at IFC; would be a great Oscar host. (ANDY dear, not Adam - were you thinking, Sandler? All Jewboys look alike?)

Excellent point from the poster referencing that "I Saw Your Boobs" was supposed to be part of what Shatner was referencing, from the future - went "wrong."

But I have seen these shows since 1968 (yes, I'm older), have half a brain, like to think that I (occasionally) "get it" , and that went right by me! Thank you, that poster, for pointing it out, but if I - film-obsessed, city-dwelling, award-show-loving - didn't quite "get"/remember that part of the bit, I daresay flyover America might not have either.

(or maybe they did!) At any rate, I think a lot of MacFarlane's "bits" left some viewers with a bad taste in their mouth,especially the author of the linked article. The poster who pointed out upthread that "that's the way things are in Hollywood" is spot on. Men are pigs, especially in Hollywood, but do you see women boycotting the industry (as actresses; excuse MOI: female actors) wholesale? As long as women come off the turnip truck in Hollywood and DON't object to the way they're treated: it's going to exist.

Not that they should have to object, true. But dear God: "tits and ass" - it's been around and WILL be around as long as straight men, bless 'em, exist.

Don't get me started on the porn industry!

But yes - and due to the dearth of penises shown onscreen (double standard, much????) - I too would love to see a song - perhaps next year, as a matter of principle? entitled:

"I Saw Your Butt" (men.)

by Anonymousreply 5402/26/2013

One thing I would love to know: how much of the Oscars did MacFarlane help write? I deliberately looked at the credits; saw 3-5 (can't remember now) people listed, and then c. 8 people as "special material"; one of them was MacFarlane. So I would not excoriate JUST him re the jokes...

by Anonymousreply 5502/26/2013

R50: He shat on Clooney for dating young women and Affleck for doing shitty movies. He made fun of Mel Gibson, off the top of my head.

by Anonymousreply 5602/26/2013

So he made fun of a man who is such a "stud" by dating younger women. Affleck who was getting TONS of awards for his movie and a man who is very easy to make fun of right now? Oh yeah, totally edgy!

I'll ask you this, did he spend most of the night shitting on White Hetero Straight males that are the majority of the power in Hollywood? No. Did he make a song and dance belittling actresses in roles that are very hard to film? No. 99% of the time he went after people who have no big power in Hollywood. How brave.

by Anonymousreply 5702/26/2013

I agree, R57

it would be one thing if his insulting, crude humor was funny - but it wasn't

by Anonymousreply 5802/26/2013

He wasn't "going after" the actresses. He was "going after" the whole problem itself. It's called satire.

by Anonymousreply 5902/26/2013

r56 he made jokes at the expense of both women and men, but the tone of his jokes about the males were different and the subject matter was different. Also, unlike some of his jokes about women, the jokes about men were always specific to the individual and never at the expense of men as an entire gender.

by Anonymousreply 6002/26/2013

I'm sure all the MacFarlane apologists would just be as eager to make excuses for him if he'd dragged out every fag stereotype there is in the book.

by Anonymousreply 6102/26/2013

[quote]He shat on Clooney for dating young women

Which is weird considering he does the same exact thing. Not daring so much as hypocritical.

Anyway, it's not that I disagree with the OP's points, but I'm just so used to "edgy" sexism that I can't possibly be offended by it anymore. I'm just numb to it by now.

by Anonymousreply 6202/26/2013

[quote] Which is weird considering he does the same exact thing. Not daring so much as hypocritical.

I noticed that too. Actually Seth seems to go after younger women than Clooney and more in a sidling up to try for a one night stand kind of way.

I guess it just there as an easy joke so he went for it.

by Anonymousreply 6302/26/2013

He didn't single out any women and make fun of them did he? He picked on white, heterosexual males like R50 hoped for. He could've picked on Jane Fonda and other strong women in the biz but didn't.

I didn't even know what movies some of those clips came from in the boob montage. I think that any clips that had boobs in them were used--not boobs specifically from rape movies and to belittle the issues of abuse of women. Do you honestly think some staffer was intstructed to do that? There was nothing nefarious behind it.

He gets the Hollywood insanity and makes fun of it. Hollywood is about boobs. And gay men sang about it. BFD.

by Anonymousreply 6402/26/2013

[quote]99% of the time he went after people who have no big power in Hollywood. How brave.

Did you pull this out of your ass? Who did he "go after" who have no power in Hollywood?

by Anonymousreply 6502/26/2013

It's a total over reach to call Seth MacFarlane's jokes misogyny. It was poor taste at best. Arguably frat boyish. Possibly objectifying. But not misogyny. Some people will use any excuse to climb on a soap box.

by Anonymousreply 6602/26/2013

I agree with what R27, R60 & R61 said.

by Anonymousreply 6702/26/2013

R1 should kill himself, as should R4. I don't even know what to say to R5, he seems very distressed.

Seth is a pig, and all these bad reviews are a hoot.

by Anonymousreply 6802/26/2013

[quote]They need a straight female to host next year and sing "We saw your butt" to the male actors in the audience.

That would be hilarious! If only they'd thought of it for the halfway mark during this year's show. Would have been a perfect counterbalance.

by Anonymousreply 6902/26/2013

[quote] He didn't single out any women and make fun of them did he?

If he had singled out women and insulted their work or tabloid scandals individually that would have been better actually. He mostly dealt with the women as a group, and in a fairly demeaning way. Mocking on Affleck and all that is a lot different that stating that all the women who've been making themselves vomit to look extra thin really did a good job and are looking hot tonight.

[quote] I think that any clips that had boobs in them were used--not boobs specifically from rape movies and to belittle the issues of abuse of women.

What? They didn't show clips of boobs. Seth sang gleefully about seeing naked boobs in film, and some of them were from rape movies (he even referenced the Accused by title).

by Anonymousreply 7002/26/2013

I find urging someone you disagree with to kill themselves generally weakens the strength of your own argument, but that's just me.

by Anonymousreply 7102/26/2013

The Oscars were just as repulsive as the Independent Spirit Awards where dick jokes, profanity and inappropriate "jokes" were uttered in the presence of a five year-old. An utter disgrace all around, Hollywood.

by Anonymousreply 7302/26/2013

And how do you feel about calling people "bull dykes" and "cunts", R71? Dying to know.

by Anonymousreply 7402/26/2013

And and and

by Anonymousreply 7502/26/2013

Whatever. He hosted a fucking awards show on television, he didn't preside over the removal of women's rights in the Congress.

Why would anyone elevate this to the level of something that matters? Also, who is surprised that Hollywood is a wannabe frat-boy's club - this is not news. Idiots.

by Anonymousreply 7602/26/2013

[quote]stating that all the women who've been making themselves vomit to look extra thin really did a good job and are looking hot tonight.

Yes. Once again satiring the insanity of Hollywood. Men don't have the same double standard; see Seth Rogan, Jonah Hill, etc.

by Anonymousreply 7702/26/2013

Well, I don't think it's acceptable any more than I think it's a killing offence.

by Anonymousreply 7802/26/2013

Would that include you, R80? Do tell us how much of your body hair you remove, so that we may adequately determine whether you are in fact a covert feminist.

by Anonymousreply 8102/26/2013

I think the word misogyny is overused and misused nowadays, especially online. I don't think Seth's comedy expresses hatred against women. I do think it was fairly sexist overall, though.

[quote] His "Boobs" song was done in the context of a bit

Whether Captain Kirk's stated opinion that the boobs song is offensive should shield it from all criticism is questionable. Would we take the same approach to an old fashioned attitude song from a straight guy host about gays in film? "Well, I wouldn't have loved that performance of Ew, Yuck, I Barfed After Seeing Dudes Kiss in Philadelphia, The Birdcage, Brokeback Mountain, and How to Survive a Plague but Captain Kirk said he didn't approve of the song so now I must accept that big on the surface homophobic number was a fine part of the oscar opening?" Regardless, the rest of SM's jokes directed towards the women reflected a fairly sexist attitude and didn't have Kirk involved.

Is it the end of the world? No. It's part of something really old. Should disappointed or unhappy people voice some criticism or raise some issues? Sure, that's how things have a hope to gradually change.

by Anonymousreply 8202/26/2013

[quote] Once again satiring the insanity of Hollywood. Men don't have the same double standard; see Seth Rogan, Jonah Hill, etc.

That is pure projection with nothing to support it. There were no marks of satire there and no reference to comparative standards for men. It was just one of his "this is funny because it's a truth it's not politically correct to say" style remarks. The women made themselves vomit. The women look hot to him. He doesn't have anything to say about how the men are looking tonight or what skin they showed in their flicks because he's not interested in ogling them.

by Anonymousreply 8402/26/2013

[quote]He doesn't have anything to say about how the men are looking tonight or what skin they showed in their flicks because he's not interested in ogling them.

Says you.

by Anonymousreply 8502/26/2013

[b]He is very political and up on current events. He is into astronomy, very well read, an animal lover and an atheist.[/b]

Otherwise he is just like Bill Maher, who is also a misogynist.

by Anonymousreply 8602/26/2013

[quote]Because there was a movie about Lincoln? Just a thought...

as well as Django Unchained, a film that reduces slavery to a spaghetti western style epic... and that's fine, as long as Seth doesn't make a joke about it!

by Anonymousreply 8702/26/2013

I'm a long time Family Guy fan who loves Seth's humor. However, I love it in the context of Family Guy and to a lesser degree, American Dad. For the Oscars I actually found it to be offensive on many levels. I hope they don't have him back as host next year.

by Anonymousreply 8802/26/2013

Charlize thought the Boob sketch was funny and participated in it. Charlize is the coolest of all the females so what ever she says goes.

by Anonymousreply 8902/26/2013

Hollywood is not exactly the go-to place for positive cultural memes about women.

by Anonymousreply 9002/26/2013

It astounds me that people are criticizing him. Consider this: All of the Best Picture nominees (except "Argo") were for gloomy, gut-wrenchingly sad movies or obscure films that no one saw. The nominees were all from these downbeat movies (has there ever been a less glamorous bunch of nominated actors and actresses?) Somehow Seth MacFarlane was supposed to turn these off-putting films and the notoriously tedious long ceremony into something entertaining that people (especially younger people) would watch. And he...did it!Instead of celebrating his achievement everyone's going over every second of the broadcast with the suspicious determination usually reserved for purported UFO footage or the Zapruder film fishing for every possible joke that they might have forgotten to be offended about. Are as many people watching "Argo" on Amazon? How many armchair critics pre-ordered their DVD release of the elderly couple facing decline and death? How many even know how to pronounce the name of the little girl from "Beasts of the Southern Wild"-and where were the packed theaters for that movie? I don't think it even played anywhere near where I live, so the notion of a 9 year old winning best actress only added to the absurdity and irrelevance of the event. It was due for a reality check. The "boob song?" I'm gay, but I know that every straight guy got the joke. Remember how charged up us gays were by the "8th Wonder of the World" between Michael Fassbender's legs-even George Clooney joked about it-and in "Shameless" he played a hopeless sex addict.So some of the women who bared their breasts on film were portraying victimized characters? People take screen caps out of context., because they are out of context! I'm sure the majority of straight guys enjoyed seeing the bare breasts of movie stars as gay guys like seeing the actors who are brave enough to go "Full Monty." The truer the joke the more uncomfortable people get-that's the exact definition of satire. And Seth MacFarlane is one of the masters of creative, zany, over-the-top-but bracingly honest pop-culture satire Hollywood has ever produced. He's like Robin Williams with sanity and smarts.The only revolutionary difference this year is that people were already complaining about how awful the Oscars were-while they were still happening! I think the two jokes that were out of line and awkwardly unfunny: the Adele/Rex Reed joke and the Mark Wahlberg/"Jews run Hollywood" bit seemed to come from desperation at being knocked off balance by the flood of hate Tweets that began seconds into the show.Rest assured next year Seth MacFarlane probably won't host. Who ever does will be eaten alive, the ratings will never be this high again and by the first commercial break the Twitterati will be crying out-"(blank) is the worst host ever! Why couldn't they get Seth MacFarlane again! He was great!"

by Anonymousreply 9102/26/2013

"Charlize thought the Boob sketch was funny and participated in it. Charlize is the coolest of all the females so what ever she says goes."

Charlize won't be laughing when they're casting her as Keanu Reeves' Mom in a few years. Some women are on board with sexism as long as it benefits them. Not so much when it turns against them.

by Anonymousreply 9302/26/2013

OP, you try way too hard, gurl

by Anonymousreply 9402/26/2013

Why Seth MacFarlane’s Misogyny Matters

Seth MacFarlane made a whole bunch of sexist, reductive jokes at the Oscars last night. It's frustrating enough to know that 77 percent of Academy voters are male. Or to watch 30 men and 9 women collect awards last night. But MacFarlane's boob song, the needless sexualization of a little girl, and the relentless commentary about how women look reinforced, over and over, that women somehow don't belong. They matter only insofar as they are beautiful or naked, or preferably both. This wasn't an awards ceremony so much as a black-tie celebration of the straight white male gaze.

MacFarlane's opening musical number, "We Saw Your Boobs," might as well have been a siren blaring, "This isn't for you." Come on, everyone likes boobs, right? No. The answer is no. They're not something I hate, and heck, I have a pair to call my own, and yet my takeaway from The Accused was not "Finally, I've seen Jodie Foster's breasts." My lasting memory of Boys Don't Cry is not "Hey, free breasts!" At least there was that super timely and relevant reference to Kate Winslet's many nude scenes.

Jeez, the song was a joke! Can't you take a joke? Yes, I can take a joke. I can take a bunch! A thousand, 10,000, maybe even more! But after 30 or so years, this stuff doesn't feel like joking. It's dehumanizing and humiliating, and as if every single one of those jokes is an ostensibly gentler way of saying, "I don't think you belong here." All those little instances add up, grain of sand by grain of sand until I'm stranded in a desert of every "tits or GTFO" joke I've ever tried to ignore.

Then came the joke about actresses getting the flu to lose weight. "It paid off," MacFarlane said. "Looking good." Well, thank God, because what matters to all women is that we look good for Seth MacFarlane. How many women did he introduce over the course of the night by mentioning how they looked: "Please welcome the lovely ___ ," "the beautiful ______"? How many men?

Uh, those are compliments! Now he can't even give women compliments?Compliment away, friends. Let's compliment the shit out of each other. But let's be really cognizant of what we compliment each other on, and what that says about what we expect from each other, and what we consider valuable and worth mentioning. It doesn't matter what Salma Hayek says, because she's so pretty!

You just don't like Seth MacFarlane's sense of humor. What did you expect?Actually, I do like Seth MacFarlane's sense of humor. (Sometimes. No one likes everything all the time!) I've been a loyal Family Guy viewer for almost fifteen years. I've been to — and adored — Family Guy: Live. If MacFarlane had sung "Shipoopi" all night, I'd be writing a really different story right now. Instead, there were jokes about how Rex Reed would probably call Adele fat — because that's what's important about her — and how someday Quvenzhané Wallis will be old enough to date George Clooney — because that's what's important about her — and how sometimes, gasp, a woman might have body hair — because that's what's important about them. Women are nags, and Jews run Hollywood! Thank you, Seth MacFarlane, for this cutting-edge humor. Like Mark Wahlberg said, the party's at Jack Nicholson's house. You remember, that place where Roman Polanski drugged and raped a 13-year-old girl. Ha-ha, ha-ha, ha.

I dream of someday watching women win all the non-performance categories, of women making as many films as men do, of women and men being nominated for a comparable number of awards. There are a lot of reasons why that day is far, far in the future. But I'll tell you what's not helping: the biggest night in film being dedicated to alienating, excluding, and debasing women. Actual gender equality is a ways away, but I'd settle for one four-hour ceremony where women aren't being actively degraded.

by: Anonymous replies 91 02/26/2013 @ 04:14PM

by Anonymousreply 9502/26/2013

MdFarlane is a very divisive figure so its understandable the reactions and lines drawn on this forum. With that said, the producers probably exploited that to the max with this year's show. Controversy=ratings. IMHO.

Personally, I can understand the charges of sexism from what I have seen in that Family Guy show. I lend an open and sympathic frame for the OP.

by Anonymousreply 9602/26/2013

I reposted the OP because just so I could second it.

What is so hard to get about the fact that women are just fucking tired of it?

by Anonymousreply 9702/26/2013

OK, I have a question... in their much lauded opening at the Golden Globes, Amy and Tina had this exchange (roughly but reasonably accurately paraphrased):

Tiny: Anne Hathaway said it was really hard doing that song with the camera so close to her face.

Amy: Then she'll never make it porn. (Huge laugh from the audience)

Tina: I don't think she plans to do porn.

Amy: None of us plans to do porn.

So what's the difference?

by Anonymousreply 9802/26/2013

The OP has many good points.

by Anonymousreply 9902/26/2013

[quote]I think the two jokes that were out of line and awkwardly unfunny: the Adele/Rex Reed joke and the Mark Wahlberg/"Jews run Hollywood" bit Why color me shocked that a gay guy merrily defends the misogyny but draws the line at the Jew joke!

by Anonymousreply 10202/26/2013

Is it bad to say the Jews run Hollywood? Seriously I have a book by Neal Gabler entitled How the Jews Built Hollywood.

by Anonymousreply 10302/26/2013

At least the piece in the OP manages to lumber through that moan full of shopworn invetigrievances without using the word penis.

by Anonymousreply 10402/27/2013

Edgy humor = deliberately offensive humor that doesn't happen to offend you personally, just other people you don't care about.

by Anonymousreply 10502/27/2013

R6 and R7, it's already been done.

by Anonymousreply 10602/27/2013

I'm very sorry this brawl ended. I was enjoying the hysteria.

Thankfully we have the closet in 2013 thread heading toward a boil.

by Anonymousreply 10702/27/2013

R52, Thanks for the link. That man belongs hosting the next Oscars.

by Anonymousreply 10802/27/2013

Dumb jokes. And that last "Loser" song at the end there was cringeworthy to the point where you look away because you're embarrassed for the performers. The host to me is inconsequential, but I do miss Billy Crystal's openers.

by Anonymousreply 10902/27/2013

His jokes were not really anything different than would Bob Hope would have done. Kind of reactionary and dull. Because, you know, boob jokes are SO cutting edge.

by Anonymousreply 11002/28/2013
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