Due to "creative differences." Yeah, right.
I bet Alec Baldwin bitch-slapped him so he picked up his toys and walked out.
Due to "creative differences." Yeah, right.
I bet Alec Baldwin bitch-slapped him so he picked up his toys and walked out.
|by Anonymous||reply 173||04/05/2013|
And will Jan Maxwell emerge from her subsidized Manhattan Plaza Suite to testify on Shia's behalf?
|by Anonymous||reply 1||02/20/2013|
He only has that one character he plays, a sort of over-stimulated doof. After he almost lost his finger, Hollywood realized he was nuts. When Steven Spielberg banished him from his magical boy garden (Stevie doesn't like scandal), he was officially ovah.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||02/20/2013|
The wardrobe department refused to keep cleaning the shit balls out of his costume every night and filed a union grievance.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||02/20/2013|
I am surprised that anyone would think he had enough discipline and professionalism to do eight shows a week for months.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||02/20/2013|
A preposterous idea to begin with.
It's doubtful that Shee-itt LePoof would ever have the discipline to WATCH a Broadway show, let alone perform in one.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||02/20/2013|
Bring in Joseph Gordon-Levitt, stat.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||02/20/2013|
To have creative differences, one must first be creative.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||02/20/2013|
He happens to be an Emmy Award winning actor.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||02/20/2013|
I wouldnt expect a star replacement--they are already in rehearsals
This always seemed like a non state anyway
|by Anonymous||reply 9||02/20/2013|
Bring in Ezra Miller, stat.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||02/20/2013|
Let's just say Shia is too busy these days with his "extracurricular activities" (sniff, sniff) to be very feasible for sustained stage work.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||02/20/2013|
Jon Groff needs something to do.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||02/20/2013|
Was he going to be nude?
|by Anonymous||reply 13||02/20/2013|
Where's Haley Joel Osment when you need him?
|by Anonymous||reply 14||02/20/2013|
Shia is tweeting!!! fun stuff!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 15||02/20/2013|
R8, yes he is. I was in fact on the Daytime Emmy judging panel that year. He won for some kid's show. I think a lot of us voted for him because he was a breath of fresh air besides the likes of Levar Burton on fucking Reading Rainbow.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||02/20/2013|
So much for Alec being all calm from his wife's yoga.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||02/20/2013|
Apparently Shia wouldnt blow Alec or swallow
|by Anonymous||reply 18||02/20/2013|
I don't quite get what the reasons for his departure are, from the tweets. Are they trying to paint him as some temperamental brilliant genius of an actor who won't be shackled to creating an actual performance or working ina rehearsal room?
Sounds like they're killing him with flattery. Just so long as he leaves...
|by Anonymous||reply 19||02/20/2013|
Shia's home sniffing mommy's panties, size 5X.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||02/20/2013|
He sounds certifiably insane and pretentious
|by Anonymous||reply 21||02/20/2013|
Megan Hilty for Orphans!
|by Anonymous||reply 22||02/20/2013|
He took it down but he tweeted an article on the Baldwin /Jan Maxwell fight from a few years ago.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||02/20/2013|
From the emails Shia has posted, it reads like the raging loon is Alec Baldwin. Surprise, Surprise.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||02/20/2013|
Lets not act like Alec hasn't had problems playing well with others, including his own daughter, before.
Shia might be a pretentious actor but from those e-mails it didn't seem like anyone was trying to throw him under the bus & the one that stated that Alec "is what he is" that was written to Shia ... (and yes, I caught that Shia deleted a rather long one) pretty told me that they may have not been getting along (as another e-mail from someone that worked on it pointed out - that he knew there'd be trouble) and it wasn't necessarily Shia's fault.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||02/20/2013|
Shia is known to be difficult to work with. This doesn't surprise me.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||02/20/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 27||02/20/2013|
Shia did full frontal in that video. We must support all our actors who go full frontal.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||02/20/2013|
go to the twitter account linked above r27...shia is posting emails he got from Baldwin, the director and the other actor.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||02/20/2013|
How does this twerp keep getting work?
|by Anonymous||reply 30||02/20/2013|
r19, Shia punched a hole in a door on set. Also, Alec Baldwin may have had problems before (and here as well), but he said in his e-mail that he wasn't going to say anything bad about Shia if anyone asked, so it was incredibly douchey of Shia to turn around and publish that. It's douchey to reprint someone else's emails regardless (unless they've done something truly horrible), but especially when they're doing you a favor.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||02/20/2013|
I 2nd JGL!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 32||02/20/2013|
I doubted whether Alec could work with LeDouche. Baldwin, in spite of his anger issues, is very talented and a dedicated professional. He would never be able to put up with this guy's antics (hell, he's too busy with his OWN!) and I am sure this would inevitably have come to a confrontation. Professionally, you don't fuck with Alec Baldwin.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||02/20/2013|
Catfight!!! Str8 men are such bitches. Can't they get along?
|by Anonymous||reply 34||02/20/2013|
In a Douche Off between Alec Baldwin and Shia LeBoeuf I'd have to go with LeBoeuf being the bigger douche.
At least Baldwin has real talent. I don't care if he got pissed off and yelled at his kid or any of that other shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||02/20/2013|
"In a Douche Off between Alec Baldwin and Shia LeBoeuf I'd have to go with LeBoeuf being the bigger douche. "
Yeah, but I'd bet on Baldwin to win the fight.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||02/20/2013|
And so he has, R36. Shia's out, Alec is still the star.
Previews start in less than 2 weeks - who will they get to sub? They need a name - Alec's name alone won't sell on Broadway, and Tom Sturridge, while HOT, is unknown to most US theatergoers.
Is Jake Gyllenhaal busy?
|by Anonymous||reply 37||02/21/2013|
I don't understand what Tom Sturridge is doing in this production anyway.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||02/21/2013|
what do you mean r38? Why wouldn't he want to do it?
|by Anonymous||reply 39||02/21/2013|
I can do it!
|by Anonymous||reply 40||02/21/2013|
I mean, couldn't they find an American actor for that role? Are there no longer any young American actors who can act?
|by Anonymous||reply 41||02/21/2013|
Two horrible douchebags, too bad they didn't kill each other.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||02/21/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 43||02/21/2013|
You heard it here first: Ben Foster is his replacement.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||02/21/2013|
According to an article in the NYT today, the director Daniel Sullivan was concerned about some of the acting choices LeBoeuf was making in rehearsals and shared his concerns with the producers.
Translation: LeBoeuf was flailing around in rehearsals and couldn't get a grip on the job and was let go.
Yes, Baldwin is a difficult jackass. I wouldn't be surprised if he chafed at having someone else in the cast who was as well-known as he was and could throw some weight around.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||02/21/2013|
[quote] Daniel Sullivan was concerned about some of the acting choices LeBoeuf was making in rehearsals and shared his concerns with the producers.
Strange his acting choices would be questioned, considering he is an Emmy Award winning actor.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||02/21/2013|
Shia's Broadway Beef with Alec!
|by Anonymous||reply 47||02/21/2013|
what the hell are you talking about r46?
|by Anonymous||reply 48||02/21/2013|
Who remembers when Shia would haughtily look down on the likes of lohan and other wild childs in interviews? He was all naw man that ain't me.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||02/21/2013|
His twitter rage over being let go is unintentionally hilarious.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||02/21/2013|
"@thecampaignbook: the theater belongs not to the great but to the brash. acting is not for gentlemen, or bureaucratic-academics. what they do is antiart."
|by Anonymous||reply 51||02/21/2013|
His tweets this morning read like an SNL character. I love how he punched a wall, got fired, and is now shrieking about being a great thespian.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||02/21/2013|
[quote] being a great thespian.
He is an Emmy Award winning actor, same as Alec.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||02/21/2013|
Alec has a better vita and many more awards/nominations. They both act like babies but Alec wins this one.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||02/21/2013|
Shia has cred: He's won an Emmy.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||02/21/2013|
He won an Emmy for a shitty kid show. Does that count? Yes, but does it really count? No.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||02/21/2013|
[quote]You heard it here first: Ben Foster is his replacement.
And R44 called it!
|by Anonymous||reply 57||02/21/2013|
Both actors are talented. But Alec can be a difficult actor who doesn't suffer fools easily. Shia can also be a difficult actor who thinks very highly of himself. Both have HUGE egos to go with their talent. The thing here is, Alec hasn't said a word about Shia while Shia is desperately going around, trying to get ahead of any potential story, by pointing fingers at Alec and making sure everyone knows what a great actor he is (according to other people's private e-mails to him that he has NO problem sharing with the world). Both probably acted badly - but in the aftermath, Alec is acting the gentleman in this situation while Shia is acting like a wronged immature diva.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||02/21/2013|
Really, whoever was putting on this play should have known from the beginning that two difficult actors like Alec and Shia would NOT get along. It was a disaster on paper.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||02/21/2013|
Ben Foster is also an Emmy Award Winning actor.
No matter what you guys say, and Emmy Awards gives you credibility.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||02/21/2013|
Does anyone know: How childish was the Steppenwolf cast back in the day?
|by Anonymous||reply 61||02/21/2013|
The e-mails make me laugh.
Whenever someone is fired from a show, people kindly tell them what good work they were doing and wish them luck. People rarely say " you sucked on stage, so good riddance". Being nice costs most people nothing.
The creative differences out wasn't enough for Shia so he tries to let everyone know how great he was by leaking the nice peoples e-mails.
Maybe the head of Yale MFA would like to talk to Shia about continuing his acting training?!
|by Anonymous||reply 62||02/21/2013|
[quote]Maybe the head of Yale MFA would like to talk to Shia about continuing his acting training?!
I have no doubt Shia would be more than happy to enlighten the head of Yale MFA as to what constitutes good acting.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||02/21/2013|
Alec had absolutely nothing to do with it so of course The NY Post will blame him. Now they've replaced Shia with perhaps the worst actor of his generation.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||02/21/2013|
He wasn't fired, he quit.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||02/21/2013|
I agree with r55.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||02/21/2013|
[quote]He wasn't fired, he quit.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||02/21/2013|
Flavorwire asks: "Seriously, What the Hell Is Going on With Shia LaBeouf?"
|by Anonymous||reply 68||02/21/2013|
He is mentally ill. And going nowhere fast. Doesn't have the looks or the talent to die young and leave a beautiful corpse. He can't do the James Dean thing. His acting roles have been hideous for a long time. Wierd naked videos and BAD movies. He appears so self involved, so preciously, prententiously arty. But the proof is in the work. And he ain't got much book.
And whoever that dipstick is who keeps typing "He's got an Emmy," so what? People win awards every day that are not really based upon real talent and are a fluke.
I have just never taken to this rat faced poseur. If he were a tenth as good as HE thinks he is.....
|by Anonymous||reply 69||02/21/2013|
[quote] And whoever that dipstick is who keeps typing "He's got an Emmy," so what? People win awards every day that are not really based upon real talent and are a fluke.
So since Ben Foster has an Emmy to his credit, that his Emmy won is not based on any talent and is a fluke?
|by Anonymous||reply 70||02/21/2013|
They traded one Emmy winner (Shia LeBoeuf) for another Emmy winner (Ben Foster).
Coincidentally they both won their respective Emmys in the same year!
|by Anonymous||reply 71||02/21/2013|
I have an Emmy for my voice work on The Simpsons.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||02/21/2013|
Sounds like a disaster. They should just pull the plug now.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||02/21/2013|
He was not fired, he quit.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||02/21/2013|
Foster is sexy.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||02/21/2013|
[quote]He was not fired, he quit.
He has a signed contract, his face was on the marquee. If the producers didn't want him gone, he would still be there.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||02/21/2013|
He's a turd. Good riddance. Whenever I hear his name now I think of that weird video where he looks like a naked dirty hippie in a pink feather boa.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||02/21/2013|
Is Foster a gay?
|by Anonymous||reply 78||02/21/2013|
No, Foster is dating Robin Wright.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||02/21/2013|
[quote]No, Foster is dating Robin Wright.
Really? Sounds like a Hugh and Deb type situation.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||02/21/2013|
You think a producer can fire a star more easily than a star can quit? ha.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||02/21/2013|
Robin Wright is attractive.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||02/21/2013|
We now have a "But he's got an EMMY" troll. Hilarious!
|by Anonymous||reply 83||02/21/2013|
Who is the idiot saying he was not fired, he quit? It's clear - even from LeDouche's emails and Twitter rants - that he was fired. let go. Shown the door.
As for those nasty rumors that he has talent - they're just rumors. Nothing he's done so far has hinted at him actually being able to act.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||02/21/2013|
Agreed R84 he is awfully apologetic in most of those "private" emails. Those emails also make it seem as if the problem was less with Baldwin and more with the director.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||02/21/2013|
I find his "I AM AN ARTISTE" attitude hilarious given that his most notable works thus far have been Even Stevens, Indiana Jones 4, and Michael Bay's Transformers trilogy.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||02/21/2013|
I have to side with Alec Baldwin. He can play anything, from a cop to a mobster to Pete Schwetty to Jack Donaghy to Fred Sanford.
Seriously, have you seen his Fred Sanford?
|by Anonymous||reply 87||02/21/2013|
Alec is hilarious in that clip! "He gambled away my welfare check."
|by Anonymous||reply 88||02/21/2013|
Maybe it's out of fear or because they truly believe Baldwin is talented, but I didn't read that anyone recommend he contact the head of Yale's Fine Arts program. Shia, I'm just sayin...
|by Anonymous||reply 89||02/21/2013|
R84 I'm not sure what stake you have in all of this, but nothing in any of his emails points to the idea that he was fired. Apologizing to people is a way of leaving no hard feelings after you quit. The idea that he was fired is far, far less probable than him just quitting. These producers aren't stupid. Firing him this late in the process is bad business.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||02/21/2013|
Juss cuz ahm a ignorant black man you paid a nickel to bust up your chiffarobe don't mean I don't love my son!
|by Anonymous||reply 91||02/21/2013|
R90, LeBoeuf signed a union contract to appear in this play. It's five weeks out, millions have been spent putting it together and suddenly he's been replaced.
If LeBoeuf wanted to quit and the producers wanted him to stay, he'd still be there. If he tried to quit they'd simply a) contact the union and file a big fat grievance against LeBoeuf, and b) sue LeBoeuf for every dime he's ever made or ever will make.
Seriously - the LeBoeuf kid was fired and everyone knows it. That's why he's so freaked out and stupidly making it worse by twittering a bunch of transparent bullshit.
Baldwin won this one and rightly so. He may be a prick but he's got more talent in his hairline than LeBoeuf has in his entire body.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||02/21/2013|
R92 you know nothing about contracts, especially star theatre contracts. Just stop.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||02/21/2013|
I have no stake in this, but it's in one of the announcements that LeDouche linked to on his Twitter that "the decision was made by Sullivan and the producers to let him go on Tuesday.:
It sounds like YOU'RE the one with a stake in this - are you one of LeDouche's two fans?
|by Anonymous||reply 94||02/21/2013|
Link to that please, r94
|by Anonymous||reply 95||02/21/2013|
Go find his Twitter feed and click the links yourself, r95. I'm not your servant, fangirl.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||02/21/2013|
If I were an actor who was rumored to have been fired, I would be tempted to post emails defying that rumor as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||02/21/2013|
You're an idiot, r97. You ARE a fangirl, aren't you? The comment about his being let go was made in the NY Times article about Foster replacing him, which LaBeouf linked with his statement that "Ben Foster will kill it."
The comment is "Those three men decided on Tuesday to replace Mr. LaBeouf; a public announcement was made on Wednesday, simply citing “creative differences.” But soon after Mr. LaBeouf began publishing e-mail exchanges on his Twitter account that shed more light on the situation."
|by Anonymous||reply 99||02/21/2013|
Shia fangirl @R93, if the producers wanted him to be in that show they would enforce his contract and he'd still be in that show.
They don't want him in the show. They chose not to enforce his contract. They fired him. The End.
So why don't you just fucking stop, hmm?
|by Anonymous||reply 100||02/21/2013|
[quote]If LeBoeuf wanted to quit and the producers wanted him to stay, he'd still be there. If he tried to quit they'd simply a) contact the union and file a big fat grievance against LeBoeuf, and b) sue LeBoeuf for every dime he's ever made or ever will make.
umm no...just no
|by Anonymous||reply 101||02/21/2013|
Now that I think of it for all that I've read about Nathan Lane being the biggest asshole on Broadway, it all seems to relate to his unsavory personal life and personality. I've never read here about his actually sabotaging a production through unprofessional behavior. And he does have an established track record of putting the asses in the seats.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||02/21/2013|
R99 you get your facts from some comment someone left on an article? Wow.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||02/21/2013|
Why can't men work together? Why are they so emotionally unstable all the time?
|by Anonymous||reply 104||02/21/2013|
I think that the producers saw that this guy could not CUT it, was not up to the role, the demands, the discipline. Perhaps his lack of work ethic, coupled with his punching that hole in the set or whatever he punched. Lengthy conferences with director and perhaps Alec, too. LeBeouf might have been manic or uncooperative, all "this is my craft" bullshit or something. It is MUCH more likely that he was let go than that he quit so close to previews. First, that would be the most unprofessional thing an actor could do, to leave a show in the lurch like that. Second, as others have articulated, he would be held to his contract anyway, lest he get his ass sued. I doubt that his union contract had an easy out clause for "creative differences" that perhaps a higher caliber star would have. He ain't no Olivier. Way too much $$$ at stake.
Another example of a Hollywood no-talent trying to trod the Broadway boards. Mutton dressed up as lamb.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||02/21/2013|
Megan, we all love you but...
Are you actually saying that actors on Broadway are not members of a union and do not have enforceable and therefore actionable contracts?
|by Anonymous||reply 106||02/21/2013|
r106....I'm saying you can quit and not be sued for everything you are worth.
|by Anonymous||reply 107||02/21/2013|
On another note, did anyone see the audition video he put on twitter? It's really really good.
I think the sentiment that film stars can't cut it in theatre should go for musical theatre performers who decide they want to be serious actors in tv or film. It goes both ways.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||02/21/2013|
I thought whether or not a play was in preview dictated contract enforcement. I could be wrong...
|by Anonymous||reply 109||02/21/2013|
Creative differences can really happen.
Some actors want to rehearse with lots of improvisation - other actors want to do just the words as written in the text.
Some actors want to roam all over the stage, doing new things in every scene - other actors want to use precise blocking each and every time.
There are a million reasons - all professional - why Alec and Shia might not have meshed well during rehearsals.
|by Anonymous||reply 110||02/21/2013|
If you know the play ORPHANS you will know that the Alec Baldwin character is tied up with rope in a chair with his mouth stuffed with a gag and taped over by the Shia LaBoeuf character. The Alec character has to sit like that in the chair for about 15-20 minutes in the play while the Shia character runs and yells all over the stage like a banshee.
Can you picture the rehearsals last week?
WTF would Alec Baldwin, a world class control freak of the first order even want to play this role?
|by Anonymous||reply 111||02/21/2013|
R106, of course you can leave a show and not get sued. It isn't mandatory that producers sue an actor for violating a contract. It's a civil, rather than a criminal, action. I don't recall anyone suing Jeremy Piven for his unbelievably unprofessional behavior in abruptly quitting "Speed the Plow" although he may have been sanctioned by Equity for that - I'm not sure.
What I'm saying is that they could sue the shit out of LeBoeuf for quitting if they wanted to. If he quit the show without their permission, they could take him for everything he's got.
More likely, they could enforce his contract before any civil suit was filed. Again, it's only if they wanted to which clearly they did not.
|by Anonymous||reply 112||02/21/2013|
"Mutton dressed up as lamb."
I don't think that means what you think it means.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||02/21/2013|
And Megan quit a Roundabout production which is non-profit. This show is for profit and the producers have dropped a bundle on Shia's name. Now everyone has to work over time to get Foster shot, the marquee remade and hung, all front of house artwork re-done. Pay for Foster's rehearsals to catch up. He was canned and the producers probably told him to say he quit to be diplomatic.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||02/21/2013|
He wasn't canned.
|by Anonymous||reply 115||02/21/2013|
And I am sure the offer of an introduction to the head of Yale's MFA program was for a teaching position.
|by Anonymous||reply 116||02/21/2013|
Just out of curiosity, r110, which of these potential professional differences would explain why he punched a hole in a door three days before he was let go?
|by Anonymous||reply 117||02/21/2013|
He should appear at The Oscars in a musical salute to Reality TV Stars of the Future.
|by Anonymous||reply 118||02/21/2013|
He punched a hole in the door in character.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||02/21/2013|
Alec does have a long history of not getting along with people....
|by Anonymous||reply 120||02/21/2013|
The role he was playing was that of an extremely brutal and violent young man. I'm sure punching the wall/door was an instinctive, spontaneous moment while in character. Most directors would LOVE to have actors giving themselves to the performance so completely - and in rehearsals, no less. Actors are PAID to be emotional.
|by Anonymous||reply 121||02/21/2013|
r105, I tend to give him a pass because he was a child star. I've read enough about the horrors they go through to cut him some slack.
Allegedly, he is a severe alcoholic closet case, which raises the question of why he was ever cast.
He's gone for money roles as a young adult, so who knows if he can really act. It's not like Michael Bay demands gifted thespians for his movies.
A smaller role when he's not on a bender might be good; I haven't seen Disturbia, but a lot of people liked him in it.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||02/21/2013|
Watch his audition tape on twitter for the play. He's wonderful.
|by Anonymous||reply 123||02/22/2013|
Actually some people can go from screen to stage and do quite well.
Carla Guigino had never done theatre before and yet all her Bway and off-Bway outings have been outstanding.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||02/22/2013|
Who the hell is Carla Guigino?
|by Anonymous||reply 125||02/22/2013|
[quote]You heard it here first: Ben Foster is his replacement.
Oh, I thought they meant the Ben (Benim) Foster, the Sephardic lovely now playing in "Forever Dusty". He's a dreamboat. Anybody know him?
|by Anonymous||reply 126||02/22/2013|
ok I spelled it wrong it is Gugino
She did the Marilyn role in After the Fall, Desire Under the Elms and Suddenly Last Summer off-Bway with Blythe Danner.
|by Anonymous||reply 127||02/22/2013|
How do you put your fist thru a wall anyway? I'd break mine.
|by Anonymous||reply 128||02/22/2013|
Shia plagiarizes an Esquire piece in his tweets:
|by Anonymous||reply 129||02/22/2013|
Oh my god r129! He's such a train wreck!
|by Anonymous||reply 130||02/22/2013|
R98, usually they e-mail all their friends in the industry to get their side of the story out there. They don't usually go directly to the public.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||02/22/2013|
R123, I don't have enough interest to watch the full hour of the audition tape. From the first 10 minutes he looks like he'd be well cast in the role though most of what he's doing is "busy being an actor." It's not hugely impressive though he's the right type for it. What else happens?
|by Anonymous||reply 132||02/22/2013|
What do they mean "he treated the role like he was an action star on a film set"?
I get the sense that he might've done better to choose a lower profile production, outside of NYC, with a director who was willing to work with him in raw form and spend some time refining his acting for the stage. A high pressured Broadway debut with Alec Baldwin may not have been the best opportunity for him. It just sounds like he required more time and attention than they were willing or able to give him in these circumstances.
|by Anonymous||reply 133||02/22/2013|
Ain't it the truth, R110? Rehearsal rooms can be very volatile places and working with other actors can be hell. More often than not, it is.
|by Anonymous||reply 134||02/22/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 135||02/22/2013|
I hope his replacement nails the role. It's a showy part and it can be a star-making one. It'd be so much better to see a good performance from a capable actor than to sit there having to pretend that a famous film personality is doing something worthy of a run on Broadway.
|by Anonymous||reply 136||02/22/2013|
Who else has played it that became a star? Who was the original?
|by Anonymous||reply 137||02/22/2013|
Am I the only one here who suspects that the person (aka: #103/108/115/119/123, etc.) who keeps insisting that Shia couldn't possibly have been fired, he quit, and also keeps telling us that Shia's audition video reveals him to be "wonderful," is Shia himself?
If I'm correct: Hi, Shia! Please get help. Seriously.
|by Anonymous||reply 138||02/22/2013|
r138 That person knows for sure, not only that the wonderful Shia wasn't canned, but also that he hit the door in character... You might be up to something.
And I agree, Shia are you in therapy? That could really help you with your craft!
r110 How is it professional if an actor does his own thing, no matter the consequences for the production. Shouldn't it be up to the director to decide what kind of performance style is welcome? Don't good, professional actors have to be able to work with other actors, who have different personalities? There might bot be perfect chemistry, but surely you are supposed to make it work.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||02/22/2013|
R137, I believe Kevin Anderson originated the role of Treat, at least at Steppenwolf, Off-Broadway and in the film version.
R139, not R110 here and it will be interesting to hear that poster weigh in, but it's tricky. Actors are not puppets, though often times they get treated as such. Some actors submit, very obediently, because they just want the director to like them. Other actors have more to contribute and whether that is welcome depends on their collaborators; usually this can be sussed out in preliminary meetings before final casting takes place.
Some actors just plan everything out, practice in a mirror and "act" in a bubble, unperturbed and unaffected by anything that happens around them. They're not even listening to their acting partners, they're just watching their lips move so they know when to deliver their next line.
Other actors, real actors in my opinion, recognise that acting is an exchange of energy, that requires listening and contact and responding to your partner's needs. Their approach and preparation may be different but they understand it's all about what is happening in the moment.
I suspect these differences didn't really enter into this situation. I get the sense it was more the rigorousness of theatre work that he wasn't really up for. I imagine on a film set it's easy to make it "all about Shia" but in a rehearsal room, under pressure, with limited time, there isn't the time to make it "all about Shia" and that kind of self-dramatising narcissism (actually putting your hand through a door that then requires medical attention or whatever) can just suck the air out of the room. When one actor needs and gets all of the attention it means another actor is just sitting there, waiting to work, watching all the rehearsal time just ebb away while things have to be repeatedly gone over for the other actor. It just wears everyone out.
|by Anonymous||reply 140||02/22/2013|
Putting your fist through drywall isn't that difficult (though you can break your hand that way), and stage sets generally aren't built as solidly as real buildings.
The putting the fist through a wall bit is to me an indicator of his unfitness for theater. You can do method shit in a film where you work yourself up into a tizzy just to get a great take and then take the rest of the day off. In theater you have to repeat the same performance consistently eight times a week, and if you're any good you may be required to do it for months or even a couple of years. You don't do that when you're putting your fist through the wall. As the writers above say it's about discipline and professionalism. And yes, you have to take into consideration everyone in the production, including the other actors and the tech who has to patch up that flat you just wrecked in your little fit of divadom.
|by Anonymous||reply 141||02/22/2013|
NY post- Riedel article. Shia was fired
|by Anonymous||reply 142||02/22/2013|
"They don't usually go directly to the public."
They do now. Welcome to the new reality. Dinosaurs like Clive Davis, Alex Baldwin and others better get used to it.
|by Anonymous||reply 143||02/22/2013|
In the original Steppenwolf production that moved to off-Broadway directed by Gary Sinise, Kevin Anderson played the younger agoraphobic brother, now played by Brit Tom Sturridge. Kevin was also in the film version. The play led to his stardom, such as it was.
Terry KInney played the older brother and John Mahoney played Alec's role. They were replaced respectively by Matthew Modine and Albert Finney in the film.
Alec's role is a strange choice for him. For an actor who only does a play every 5-10 years or so, it's the least showy role in the play and far more of a character part than one would think would intrigue Alec. Someone like Bob Hoskins or even Danny DeVito would be better casting in that part (though both admittedly too old).
I don't really get why Alec would choose the play for himself. In spite of his age, he's still a bit glamorous for the small time gangster he is playing.
|by Anonymous||reply 144||02/22/2013|
You all are obviously not actors. All this "wild emoting" is NOT appreciated without approval. It is the DIRECTOR who TELLS you what to do. You don't get to improvise and punch walls and emote all over the place with YOUR rehearsal choices unless the director ALLOWS that. Some directors are draconian Otto Preminger types, demanding that you recite the lines exactly the way they want you to, stick to the blocking exactly as marked out. They control the production with an iron fist and your performance is merely a part of THEIR vision. Some directors like to work with you in a collaborative fashion, allowing you to make suggestions, to offer up your ideas during the rehearsal process. Many actors prefer this type of director because you feel valued and that you can truly make the character your own. The rehearsal process is a satisfying artistic journey, to so speak. But actors also have to work with each other. And respect each other. Any diva behavior or rampant narcissism will tip the balance of a production. (Most shows have some of this stereotypical "theatah! behavior, too). What goes on behind the scenes to get a show up is never known to the audience, usually. Man oh man do actors "suffer for their art" sometimes. Acting with a douchebag actor you hate is REAL acting.
I think this LeBoeuf fellow just didn't have the chops for this. In over his head working with professionals who needed someone who understood the process better. There is a lot riding on the backs of the three actors on that stage and he, for whatever reason, could not carry his part of the load. Too young, too inexperienced. I think that fist through the wall thing (which seems to be another theatre cliche now!) unnerved the cast (that article indicates as much) and the director. If Shia was not following the director's DIRECTION, I am sure this pissed off and/or frustrated everyone to no end. The actor cannot say "this is my process" or pull some "Actors Studio method" crap in such a tightly knit production. My guess? LeBoeuf was simply NOT A TEAM PLAYER. That is the gist of it. Not a "We are all in this together and I will do whatever the director wants" kind of guy. I bet he could not take direction and was not showing proper deference and respect on multiple levels. Hollywood is not like Broadway.
|by Anonymous||reply 145||02/22/2013|
Except r145, Rick Sordelet, the highly experienced Fight Director (with countless major Broadway credits on his resume) sent a Shia a very sympathetic and now publicly exposed email supporting Shia's rehearsal process.
|by Anonymous||reply 146||02/22/2013|
R145, why did you write "except?" There is no right or wrong here. The director/producers wanted him gone for reasons no one is 100% clear on. My post was just an opinion. It's a cast change choice, not a judgment. People support each other in the arts. Hey, I hope this LeBouef fellow tries stage work AGAIN in the future. If he has talent, I hope he finds the proper venue for it.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||02/22/2013|
Megan Mullaly really isn't as smart as she seems on television.
|by Anonymous||reply 148||02/22/2013|
It sounds like Shia's performance didn't mesh with the other two actors. The phrase "acting in a different play" comes to kind. Not better or worse. Different. Not disrespectful, different.
They say 90% of a directors job is casting. Hence why the director took full responsibility for the situation.
Actors are like musicians. You don't hire Eddie van Galen to be in a jazz trio. Creative differences!
|by Anonymous||reply 149||02/22/2013|
I was creative and they were different
|by Anonymous||reply 150||02/22/2013|
I love how R145 claims people support each other in the arts after starting his post with "You all are obviously not actors," spoken like a true snob.
You're not the only actor here, sir.
|by Anonymous||reply 151||02/22/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 152||02/22/2013|
The later posts here have taken on the voice of PR shills for both sides.
|by Anonymous||reply 153||02/23/2013|
Carla Gugino is competant in the right role.
|by Anonymous||reply 154||02/23/2013|
No one gives a fuck. That play is trite. It will be on tdf.
|by Anonymous||reply 155||02/23/2013|
What does competant mean?
|by Anonymous||reply 156||02/23/2013|
r140 is right
|by Anonymous||reply 157||02/23/2013|
Strange....all this acrimony over the role of Treat when it is Phillip that steals the play.
|by Anonymous||reply 158||02/23/2013|
Esquire writer whom LaBoeuf plagiarized responds to il plagiarismo:
|by Anonymous||reply 159||02/23/2013|
[quote]They say 90% of a directors job is casting
Who's "they?" Because "they" are wrong.
|by Anonymous||reply 160||02/23/2013|
Shia is the closest thing we have to a Neely O'Hara. They drum him outta Hollywood so he comes crawling to Broadway. Then it turns out that Broadway doesn't go for booze and pills and he's thrown out on his ass there too.
Pity he didn't quit the play between acts on opening night. Now THAT would have been a story!
|by Anonymous||reply 161||02/23/2013|
LeDoof is surely one of the plainest men Hollywood has ever tried to shill as a "heartthrob." I absolutely cannot understand it. He's not ugly, I don't think, but he's just not at all handsome or even striking. And he doesn't make up for it with protean talent.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||02/23/2013|
Baldwin plugged the play on Letterman just now but no mention of LeBoeuf's departure. He talked mainly about his beef with the NY Post.
|by Anonymous||reply 163||02/26/2013|
I see what you did there, R163.
(Le Boeuf / beef)
|by Anonymous||reply 164||02/26/2013|
R163 = R164 ?
|by Anonymous||reply 165||02/26/2013|
Much like Russell Crowe, Shia leboeuf is one of those charismatic-faced "interesting" looking people who single handedly ruined their sex appeal by being huge twats over and over again in the public eye.
Shia has those green eyes and great skin and coloring - but being a gigantic douchebag is offputting to frauworld. He's not hot enough to get away with it.
|by Anonymous||reply 166||02/26/2013|
Foster is a great choice for Orphans.
|by Anonymous||reply 167||02/26/2013|
R165 = st00pid n00b?
|by Anonymous||reply 168||02/26/2013|
They should make a musical version of that movie, "Orphan."
|by Anonymous||reply 169||02/26/2013|
God, does Tom Sturridge sound like a pretentious douche, chastising the Times writer for reading those emails Shia tweeted. I can't stand actors like this.
[quote]Sturridge: I have no particularly strong feelings either way. What I do have strong feelings about is: The e-mail shouldn’t have been read. Have you read them? Yes. I was reporting on Shia’s firing, and he suddenly released these e-mails. Sturridge: It’s not your job to read them. I think that’s extraordinarily ethically questionable. It was a private e-mail, and you read it. Baldwin: I just want to say: The worst cases you never hear about. Hollywood studios bury that stuff — actors who punch directors in the face and try to run producers over with cars — insanity, criminal behavior. But the studios are invested in that star, they can’t have that person’s name dirtied up. The problem here is it became public.
Baldwin's last answer is quite interesting. I'd love to know more about badly behaving actors and the studios who cover up for them.
The piece also mentions that audiences have been laughing in inappropriate places. Sounds like the play is a mess.
|by Anonymous||reply 170||04/04/2013|
Ha, I get the feeling Baldwin thinks Sturridge is just as dumb as Shia.
|by Anonymous||reply 171||04/04/2013|
Poor Alec looks miserable.
|by Anonymous||reply 172||04/05/2013|
If Shia is such a horror, why is he cast in all these high-profile projects like Robert Redford's new film?
|by Anonymous||reply 173||04/05/2013|