This show should've been a huge, huge success. It had everything going for it...marquis actors, an appealing younger cast, a superb diva bitch in Stephanie Beecham, popular Dynasty characters & occasional crossovers, intriguing storylines, beautiful Nolan Miller costumes, and a sweeping theme to end all themes.
I realize that the parent show was beginning to show its cracks when The Colbys premiered and that the excesses of the Reagan years that had been reflected in many TV series were beginning to fall by the wayside, but the Colbys, with all of its assets, should've been able to overcome these obstacles. So how did it all go so terribly wrong?
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 363||06/26/2016|
Not enough shirtless Maxwell Caufield!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 2||02/19/2013|
I've never seen it but have seen the crossovers and it just looked like Dynasty warmed over.
They should have just made a show about Alexis, Caress and Sable.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 3||02/19/2013|
[quote] marquis actors
I am not aware of any members of the nobility in the cast.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 4||02/19/2013|
R3 hit the nail on the head. Jeff and Fallon were boring characters to spin off as well.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 5||02/19/2013|
Emma Samms as Fallon was the downfall. They built a whole spinoff around a bad casting replacement. Suddenly Fallon is brittish??
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 6||02/19/2013|
I think if it had premiered when Dynasty was red-hot, it would have done better.
The Colbys debuted six months after Dynasty's Moldavian massacre, which was a true jump-the-shark moment and took a lot of the luster off the show for the fans.
Had Pamela Sue Martin still been Fallon, it might have been more interesting, but Emma Samms and John James were perfectly bland and the other young people in The Colbys cast weren't any more interesting.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 7||02/19/2013|
All recycled plots from Dynasty
Stephanie Beechman was the best thing about that show.
Emma Saams was miscast.
Genie Francis would have made a better Fallon recast
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 8||02/19/2013|
It was too much like Dynasty, oddly enough. The plots were the same and the house looked the same and the look was the same--it just seemed like Dynasty Lite. They needed to make it different--take advantage of the California setting.
One reason why Knots Landing succeeded was that it didn't too much like Dallas, from which it was a spinoff.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 9||02/19/2013|
Stephanie Beacham was EXCELLENT as was Barbara Stanwyck.
However I couldn't stand Charlton Heston. Charlton Heston's smugness ruined what was otherwise a great show.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 10||02/19/2013|
Stephanie Beacham was the best thing about The Colbys -- by a mile.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 12||02/19/2013|
I love Stephanie Beacham's voice. I could listen to it all day, it's like velvet.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 13||02/19/2013|
And to think, Alexis never thought to say when she married Cecil, "Isn't it funny how my first cousin Sable is also married to a Colby!"
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 14||02/19/2013|
Watching the two-parter where the Colby's are finally all introduced is hilarity in bad exposition. There are more lines of the characters introducing themselves to the viewers with "little brother" and Alexis' phone call to Sable where Sable says, "Well, you know we are first cousins on your mother's side" as though Alexis had forgotten.
And Ken Howard (and his dull character) with the thankless line, "I'm just the family lawyer, I feel a little left out here."
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 15||02/19/2013|
Prior to that there was no connection between Alexis and the Colby clan (other than marrying Cecil)
But when they made Alexis and Sable cousins, that meant Fallon and Jeff were cousins. Who married one another!
Katharine Ross was also miscast as a Krystle type heroine (who was sisters with Sable).
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 16||02/19/2013|
The Colby's failed because by the time it premiered in the fall of 1985, the big primetime soap opera boom of the late 70s/ early 80s was coming to an end
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 18||02/19/2013|
Remember the ratings disaster of "Fresno" the following season? It was probably on a season too late.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 19||02/19/2013|
Barbara Stanwyck's major complaint was she had no storyline.
And when she did have screen time, she was replaying the same scene over and over again.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 21||02/19/2013|
[quote]But when they made Alexis and Sable cousins, that meant Fallon and Jeff were cousins. Who married one another!
Sable was not Jeff's mother: she was his aunt. (Alexis was also his step-aunt.)
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 22||02/19/2013|
John James and his acting eyebrows...
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 23||02/19/2013|
Judging from her appearances on "Dynasty" in the run-up to the new show, Stanwyck seemed like she was gasping for oxygen every time she had a line.
She seemed winded just opening the doors of the mansion.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 24||02/19/2013|
For a weekly soap it was dreadful amateur theatre. The concept and the story plots felt stale.
And it was around that time where family variety entertainment started to die off and shows became more demographic centric.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 25||02/19/2013|
Was Fallon's UFO abduction a big FU to the network for cancellation? Or did they really intend to follow that up?
And how was her abduction explained? "Dynasty" had this annoying habit of not always following stories through. Dr. Nick Toscani- rides away on his horse, never pays for his crime. Joel Abrigore? Vanishes and never seen again.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 26||02/19/2013|
Heard John James gained 50 lbs. - he lives in seclusion, in Vermont, or Maine, with his family. My only question - did he marry well ? The guy seems to have a nice country squire life- even though he hasn't worked in 25 years. Anyone know the story ?
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 27||02/19/2013|
John James daughter was just on America's Next Top Model the college years - she might have won I am not sure Tyra Banks makes me vomit. John and his wife appeared a few times.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 28||02/19/2013|
Tracy Scoggins. Scoggins. Scoggins. Scoggins. Scoggins. Scoggins. Scoggins. Scoggins. Scoggins. Scoggins. Scoggins.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 29||02/19/2013|
[quote] Sable was not Jeff's mother: she was his aunt. (Alexis was also his step-aunt.)
Jeff Mother was Francesca. She is cousins with Alexis.
Francesca and Sable are sisters, their cousins with Alexis.
Which makes Jeff and Fallon cousins.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 30||02/19/2013|
John James played a serial killer on As The World Turns after Dynasty
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 31||02/19/2013|
The Colby-Carrington family tree was just one big incestuous mess.
In The Colbys pilot episode Bliss said something along the lines of: "I always had a crush on you, Jeff" by the pool.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 32||02/19/2013|
Emma Samms was terrible as Fallon. Charleston Heston couldn't hold a candle to John Forsyth.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 33||02/19/2013|
Charlton Heston = Blake
Stephanie Beecham = Alexis
Katharine Ross = Krystle
Maxwell Caulfield = Adam
Tracy Scoggins = Fallon
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 34||02/19/2013|
Not to defend Heston since he was a major asshole but John Forsythe was painful to watch on Dynasty. He would deliver his lines in the hammiest possible way and basically had two facial expressions: angry and happy.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 35||02/19/2013|
R35 George Preppard originated the role of Blake, but was let go due to 'creative' differences.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 36||02/19/2013|
The Colbys left us with a wonderful legacy, though: the hilarious Alexis/Sable scenes from season 9 of Dynasty.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 37||02/19/2013|
I have forgotten more about this show than I remember, but I'm pretty sure Stephanie Beechum and MISS Stanwyck were the only good things about it. Well, Caulfield was good eye candy, and Tracy Scoggins wasn't too bad. Didn't she and Beecham move on to Dynasty when The Colby's tanked?
Emma Samms should have never been cast as Fallon, much less given a spin-off. Never cared for John James, either. Did they ever explain why Sable and Francesca had different accents?
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 38||02/19/2013|
Stephanie Beacham was magnificent and Sable was the all-round most realized character in the whole Dynasty canon.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 39||02/19/2013|
Their parents got divorced and Sable moved to England with her mother whilst Frankie stayed in America with her father
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 40||02/19/2013|
They cast Emma Samms based on her popularity and Q-rating.
They thought her popularity from GH would translate into ratings. It didn't.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 41||02/19/2013|
Rula Lenksa was wanted for Sable but refused to have a facelift so in came Stephanie. They both appeared in Coronation Street.
Did Kate O'Mara ever do The Colbys? She's a stalwart of the regional theatre circuit.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 42||02/19/2013|
Faye Dunaway was originally offered the part of Sable. Her asking price was too high.
After paying the salaries of Heston, Stanwyck and Katharine Ross, they didn't much left.
So they hired Stephanie Beecham on the cheap.
Ironic that she was the best thing on the show.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 43||02/19/2013|
Kate O'Mara played Alexis sister on Dynasty
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 44||02/19/2013|
Candice Bergen was offered Frankie but turned it down.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 45||02/19/2013|
[quote] Their parents got divorced and Sable moved to England with her mother whilst Frankie stayed in America with her father
Then the sisters switched continents. Sable married Jason and moved to America.
While Frankie married an English Lord and moved to England, thus becoming Lady Francesca Langdon.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 46||02/19/2013|
Candice Azzara was offered Constance but turned it down.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 47||02/19/2013|
"Stephanie Beacham gave Joan Collins a run for her money. I think she was much sexier, much classier, much less SHOWY... and yet JUST as effective." - critic on Channel 4's Top Ten Bitches (2001)
"I loved our Sable, I thought she was heaven... because she was VERY feminine." - Stephanie Beacham
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 48||02/19/2013|
Stephanie almost wasn't Sable. She was only about 36 at the time and Aaron Spelling thought she was too young before changing his mind. Tracy Scoggins was about 3 years younger than her.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 49||02/19/2013|
Frankie was a total cunt abandoning her son after his supposed father died and then arriving in town once he receives a share in Colby Co.
And then sleeping with her sisters husband.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 50||02/19/2013|
Ironic that most of the audience rooted for Sable, and Frankie was suppose to be the heroine!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 51||02/19/2013|
Stephanie was the best thing in the show. I thought Tracy was pretty good too. The should have made Maxwell's character on out and proud over promiscuous homosexual. If it hadn't been for her commitment to some wretched syndication show we would have had Jane Badler as the recast Fallon. Now that would have been great.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 53||02/19/2013|
Sable to Frankie
"You are a walking ad for adultery!"
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 54||02/19/2013|
Sable was so superior Alexis; the former seemed like she could exist in the real world whereas Alexis was just a caricature of herself by 1985 with her endless "I-will-destroy-you-and-takeover-your-company" threats.
I could totally imagine Stephanie as an Old Hollywood star.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 55||02/19/2013|
Ah, season 9 of Dynasty - where I felt the show was getting its mojo back and having real fun again.
And they did address the UFO incident on Dynasty the following season when they folded Fallon and Jeff back into the family. As I recall, Fallon instead it really happened, Jeff thought she was delusional, and that caused them to separate. But no, they never really definitively said one way or the other.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 56||02/19/2013|
Bette Midler doing Alexis' "I-will-destroy-you-and-takeover-your-company" speech in Big Business was hysterical. That is one underrated movie. Especially the hot Duke guy. But I digress.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 57||02/19/2013|
The spaceship tainted what was otherwise a great series.
Like the flying car at the end of Grease.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 58||02/19/2013|
Does anyone remember that guy on DL who said he worked on both Dynasty and Colby sets? Let me refresh your memory. He said that actor who played Fallon's husband, John James, was gay at the time who had a lot of male lovers around him, and when he got married everyone was shocked. He also said that Linda Evans was a bitch in real life ,and Joan Collins was extremely nice and funny. Also, Stanwyck was worn out between takes,but when it was time to film she was ready to go,and Cheston Heston wanted his chair with his name on it where ever they filmed and was a jerk.
I remember I asked him if Max Caulfield is bisexual, and he said we all wondered ,but he didn't know.I am aware Caulfield is Married to Juliet Mills. Gosh he was such a stud! When I was a kid I couldn't take my eyes off of him when he did his scenes!
I loved Emma Samms. I agree she was wrong for Fallon's part,but She always seemed like a nice person in general. I was pissed off and felt shafted when they didn't end Dynasty properly. Fallon got trapped in that hidden room that she found with those gorgeous antiques and artwork and then that was that. I remember they got a lot of complaints from the viewers because they didn't give Dynasty a proper ending so they came back to film a proper ending ,but they made a new story line and ditched the previous ending all together close the show which stupid and still left questions unanswered.
I love Stephanie Beacham. She was really classy and conniving. BTW, even though Heston was a jerk in real life, I still like him as an actor and Stanwyck goes with out saying has always been one of my favorite actresses.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 59||02/19/2013|
Emma should have been recast as Amanda.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 60||02/19/2013|
R59 Miles Colby is really married to Tabatha the witch from Passions?
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 61||02/19/2013|
I thought Stephanie Beacham looked older than her age. BTW, Andy Cohen interviewed Joan Collins and she said that she based her character on a female version of JR from Dallas.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 62||02/19/2013|
Yes R61, here is the link too. BTW, they never had children and he is younger than her.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 63||02/19/2013|
When Heston found out he had Alzheimer's, he called up Stephanie Beacham and said "I just want you to know before my mind really goes that I love you."
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 64||02/19/2013|
Stephanie starring in "The Nightcomers" with some actor called Brando supporting her. If she'd wanted Hollywood as a young woman, she could have taken it. I suppose what happened to Sharon Tate put her off:
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 65||02/19/2013|
Young Stephanie as the definitive Blanche Ingram in the best version of "Jane Eyre". The bitch goddess honing her craft:
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 66||02/19/2013|
Pro that she was, Stanwyck didn't bitch about the show in public until after it was cancelled. Then she said it had the worst scripts she had ever seen in her life. Which is saying a lot considering she was in her 80s then.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 68||02/19/2013|
R61. Another way of putting your statement is Michael Carrington from Grease2 has been married to Phoebe Figalilly (nanny) for over 30 years!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 69||02/19/2013|
I thought Tracy Scoggins played the storyline in which Monica was revealed as having given up her baby for adoption really well. She was very believable and compelling.
Were there two Bliss Colbys? What a stupid name.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 70||02/19/2013|
Miles was a milquetoasty name, too. I gather that he really was named Max first but when Caulfield was cast they changed it. Max would have been the perfect name for the character. And it would have been wonderful if he'd been a raging bisexual like Caulfield was.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 71||02/19/2013|
[quote]He said that actor who played Fallon's husband, John James, was gay at the time who had a lot of male lovers around him, and when he got married everyone was shocked.
That's funny. I had been under the impression James was out and was also shocked when I read he was married.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 72||02/19/2013|
R70 it is a soap opera and soaps are infamous for having characters with stupid names.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 73||02/19/2013|
R27 He(John James) has a farm in upstate New York.........Cambridge,NY.Yeah he went slumming on ATWT and AMC in the Twenty Os. He might as well do the new AMC now,everyone else is.....
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 74||02/19/2013|
Was John James considered a hunk during his time on Dynasty and The Colbys? I seem to recall a beefcake poster he did, standing shirtless while wearing jeans with the top button undone, looking seductively (as best as he could) into the camera.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 75||02/19/2013|
The guys on Dynasty/Colbys were way too pretty. I much preferred the more manly looking guys like Patrick Duffy on Dallas and Ted Shackelford on Knots.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 76||02/19/2013|
I once read that both, Heston and Stanwyck, were big pains in the producers' asses. Apparently they kept asking for script changes (Stanwyck and Heston) and didn't stick to the written dialogues (Heston obviously). When Stanwyck asked to be released from her contract the producers were more than happy to let her go.
It still puzzles me why they chose Emma Samms for Fallon. Her look and acting didn't have anything in common with the original character. The writing didn't help either. All typical Fallon traits were totally washed out or written for Scoggin's Monica. Tracy Scoggins should have played Fallon and Samms could have played the Colby daughter.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 77||02/19/2013|
[quote] just looked like Dynasty warmed over
That really said it all.
Heston was so not warm or relatable. Almost everyone on the show was a complete chore to watch, but Stephanie Beacham was definitely the spark. I enjoyed her scenes, and cheered her joining the mother show in its last year.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 78||02/19/2013|
Tori Spelling suggested Emma Samms to her father after seeing her on General Hospital.
Emma improved slightly in S8 of Dynasty and dramatically in S9. S9 Fallon is my favorite incarnation of Fallon.
I think Stephanie said she was blacklisted in Hollywood after posing for Playboy.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 79||02/20/2013|
The dynamic for The Colbys was always off.
Sable was obviously supposed to be the Alexis of the show, but whereas Alexis was a feisty troublemaker, Sable was actually a good hearted wife and mother.
It was her slutty sister, The Lady Langdon (a very haggard looking Katherine Ross) who was trying to steal Jason away from her.
Sable had that "spark," but it was wasted because there was no one really decent on that show to play off of. Ricardo Montalban had a goo run to trying to seduce her away from Jason.
So much better when they moved her over to Dynasty to play off Joan. Alexis had fucked Jason Colby, after he left Sable. And that made for great retribution. Then there was the fact it was revealed that Jason was only the biological father of Bliss (there was only one) and the twins, Monica & Miles, were a product of her being raped. But that bastard Jason disowned them anyways.
Glad Sable got to fuck Dex. Alexis should never had run him away.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 80||02/20/2013|
The guy who played Alexis's boyfriend Dexter, isn't he gay in real life? I think he got arrested one tome because he was a drug dealer on the side. Oh man! he was so gorgeous! He is a native American stud!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 81||02/21/2013|
[quote]The Colby's failed because by the time it premiered in the fall of 1985, the big primetime soap opera boom of the late 70s/ early 80s was coming to an end
Nonsense. Dynasty ran until '89 and Dallas until '91. And in the early 90's, along came Melrose Place and Beverly Hills 90210, which were both hits and lasted a long time.
The Colbys simply sucked.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 82||02/21/2013|
FINALLY on dvd - the complete series! YES!!!!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 83||02/14/2015|
R81 I had a huge crush on Michael Nader back then, I was young and he was dark, had hairy chest and a real bedroom voice and eyes. He doesn't have same effect on me anymore!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 84||02/14/2015|
R68 They got Stanwyck, who was too good for it and then didn't have writers good enough for her talents.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 85||02/14/2015|
[quote]Nonsense. Dynasty ran until '89 and Dallas until '91
All with declining ratings, year over year.
Dallas was ranked 61st when it was cancelled, Dynasty 57th.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 86||02/14/2015|
There will be new interviews with cast on the dvd set. Stephanie included! Check it out:
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 87||02/14/2015|
Barbara Stanwyck was asked what she thought of working with Charleton Heston, to which she replied, "Not much."
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 88||02/14/2015|
Casting Katharine Ross as the "Krystle" character on The Colbys was really miscasting.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 89||02/14/2015|
btw Maxwell Caulfield and Juliet Mills who are married played cousins on Dynasty/The Colbys!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 90||02/14/2015|
This was also the series that gave us Adrian Paul (future tv Highlander) in a speedo! I think he played a ballet dancer that was dating Bliss.
The best thing about the Colby's - was that they moved Sable and Monica over to Dynasty the last season and allowed Dynasty to at least be interesting for its last season.
And John James had to be the sexiest thing for me growing up. He had those thick lips and that fantastically hairy torso.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 91||02/14/2015|
[quote] The best thing about the Colby's - was that they moved Sable and Monica over to Dynasty the last season
But then they had Jeff and Monica fall in love and they are brother and sister!
Not to mention cousins.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 92||02/14/2015|
[quote]Barbara Stanwyck was asked what she thought of working with Charleton Heston, to which she replied, "Not much."
Stanwyck only enjoyed working with Beacham. She let that be well known.
I believe at one point she wouldn't even speak to the rest of the cast unless it involved a scene.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 94||02/14/2015|
Apparently, Kate O'Mara was originally going to be sister Frankie (explaining why Sable was English) after successfully auditioning but she couldn't get out of her West End play on time so they cast Katharine Ross and when Kate was ready, they cast her as Caress on Dynasty. I think she would have been superb as Frankie.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 95||02/14/2015|
[quote]I think she would have been superb as Frankie.
Certainly more attractive than the haggard Ross.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 96||02/14/2015|
O'Mara would have made Frankie more of a brunette Krystle. And so, the spark would have been there. What's better than 1 English bitch on a show? 1 English bitch and one English angel! Colbys would have surpassed the mothership had O'Mara been Frankie.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 97||02/14/2015|
r35, I agree, but he was absolutely brilliant as the cold ruthless bastard that Blake was in season 1. A classier J.R. Ewing. Then they proceeded to make him into a hero. With the decline in quality in the writing that happened along with it, Blake and Forsythe just became campier and hammier as the seasons rolled on to its painful end.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 98||02/14/2015|
r81, Nader isn't gay - or at least there have never been stories of him. His uncle George Nader however was one of Rock Hudson's lovers.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 99||02/14/2015|
Nader was involved with DL favorite Brenda Dickson.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 100||02/14/2015|
Gorgeous set of Beacham stills here during her Colbys run. The song choice is funny!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 101||02/14/2015|
OMG, r100, that can't be true! Is it?
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 102||02/14/2015|
I loved Stephanie Beacham on Sister Kate.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 103||02/14/2015|
[quote]The guy who played Alexis's boyfriend Dexter, isn't he gay in real life? I think he got arrested one tome because he was a drug dealer on the side. Oh man! he was so gorgeous! He is a native American stud!
Micheal Nader is Lebanese.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 104||02/15/2015|
R92 That was odd. Was it always known that Jason was Jeff's father or did that come out in The Colby's?
Monica and Jeff did have this big, bizarre flirtation going on then, somewhat hypocritically, were furious with Adam for making it public.
It led to a big catfight between Jeff and Adam in the Carlton. (Jeff: How could you!? She's my sister! Adam: That makes you a pervert.)
In the middle of all this, Alexis prances in and announced that Miles and Monica were the product of rape. That, in turn, led to the Alexis/Sable catfight.
That same season Sammy Jo was dating a priest, Sable got Dex hot by spraying perfume in his eyes and biting his lip until it bled, and Fallon was having sexual fantasies about a corpse (her mother's lover, Roger Grimes.)
Lots of kinky shit that season.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 105||02/15/2015|
Stephanie was great, but Joan had an edge and awareness of how to do camp that pushed Dynasty into the stratosphere.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 106||02/15/2015|
Joan was not doing 'camp'. Do you even know the definition of the term? Camp is something that comes about unintentionally.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 107||02/15/2015|
r106, Joan was actually acting. She was not trying to be funny or ironic. She was serious.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 108||02/16/2015|
Alexis was seldom written with the depth Sable was. When they gave Collins the material she could deliver. Beacham, though, is a more talented actress.
It's interesting that if you look just at the actions of Sable and Francesca, it's Francesca who is the homewrecking ssssslut, while Sable is the loving, but definitely manipulative wife.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 109||04/19/2015|
Is Tracy Scoggins a lezbo? She did study Phys Ed in college.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 110||05/09/2015|
Is that Faye Dunaway standing in for Beacham in that fight? That much skin hasn't been seen since Joan was beating the crap out of 'Tina.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 112||05/10/2015|
they should looking back now, made a show of show of just alexis, sable and diahann caroll's character dominique!... CAN YOU IMAGINE!
VERBAL AND PHYSICAL CATFIGHTS EVERY EPISODE!
THE 3 WOMEN THE GREATEST TRIO OF 24/7 HORNY COUGARS SCREWING GORGEOUS MUSCLE STUDS YOUNG ENOUGH TO BE THEIR SONS AND GRANDSONS EVERY EPISODE! (not to mention all their servants would be musclebound eye candy!)
would have been the greatest eye candy/homoerotic/campy fierce fun tv show ever! lol!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 113||05/10/2015|
It was an awful show. Stanwyck was wasted in this. She had emphysema and it was difficult for her to breathe. Those damned cigarettes. Her love scenes with Joseph Campanella seemed forced and awkward. Heston looked ridiculous with his toupee and yellowing dentures; allegedly he had bad denture breath as well. Katharine Ross should have never been cast in the show at all; she lacked the camp factor necessary for pulling off an OTT show. My mother swore that Tracy Scoggins was a man. The subplot of Miles raping Fallon was totally lifted from Dynasty when Adam raped Kirby. Pamela Sue Martin was great as Fallon, but the stress of doing the show caused her hair to fall out.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 114||05/10/2015|
Stanwyck had emphysema since 1970 (see her death certif) and continued smoking, so she could breathe pretty well.
Heston's yellow teeth were his real teeth. That's what 62 year old teeth look like. The wig, however, was absurd. Not as bad as Robert Redfords, but bad.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 115||05/10/2015|
I think they ignored the whole rape reveal in Season 9 cause Monica, Miles and Jeff were back to being siblings.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 116||05/10/2015|
Elizabeth Montgomery was also considered for Sable or Frankie can't remember who. She declined because she didn't want to do another series but she would've been tremendous in the bitchy Sable role.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 117||05/10/2015|
It should never have been made. It was too late in the genre and the story well was tapped out.
I disagree with the contention that the writing for Alexis lacked the depth of the writing for Sable... I always thought Beacham took bad writing and managed to imbue it with some actual talent. Alexis was delightfully written in the first two seasons and Collins brought a lot of energy to how she played it... she was really acting then too. Once it became a megahit and ventured into perfumes and fictional European royalty she had plainly said fuck it, I'll just cash the checks. And who can blame her? I've been dialling it in for years at my job, personally.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 118||05/10/2015|
It was smart of Dynasty to bring Beacham aboard with Linda Evans leaving the show so Joan could have someone to play off of during its last season. Tracy Scoggins however was unnecessary . I think The Colbys suffered also from too large a cast. And most of what The Colbys tried to do Dynasty already had done years before. And better. It would've been smarter to incorporate some of the main Colby characters into Dynasty instead of the spin off. Instead we got the boring Fallmont family and the ridiculous two Krystles storylines.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 119||05/10/2015|
I wish both The Colbys and Dynasty were on Hulu or Netflix.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 120||05/10/2015|
I agree with you that Alexis started out being a more deeply written character, R118. And as I said before, Collins delivered. Once the first Alexis/Krystle brawl was so successful whatever depth there was took a backseat to being more and more sensationalistic. The whole buildup that led to the first fight was overlooked. There had to be a brawl every season whether there was any real motivation (other than boosting ratings) or not. And as time went on Alexis was written more and more as an archetype than as a full human being. Joan could deliver when given the material, no doubt.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 121||05/10/2015|
Had Dynasty survived past Season 9, I have fantasized about Alexis dying in the finale (when she fell with Dex) and Sable taking the place of both Alexis and the terminally ill Krystle on the show, marrying Blake and becoming the matriach, with Krystle's dying blessing. Thus, Sable achieves the ultimate revenge of the Colbys, by marrying their chief rival! We all know that Sable was the star of that final season, Linda Evans wanted to leave and Joan was also on the verge of walking - with her down to earth gravitas but still glamorous appeal, Beacham would have made Dynasty an authentic show for the 90s. Collins and Evans could not have made it work for Generation X, they were just too larger than life.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 122||05/10/2015|
I wanted the mystery woman in the limo to be Claudia. Long story short, it wasn't her body that was found in the ruins of La Mirage.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 124||05/10/2015|
I had written a FANTASTIC fan fic story bible for Season 10. Sable plots to pass her baby with the now dead Dex Dexter off as Blake Carrington's child!!!! Grief stricken by Krystle's death (he doesn't give Alexis' death a passing thought!), Blake marries the pregnant Sable in a lavish wedding that gets global publicity. Convalescing in a nunnery is Claudia Blaisdel, vengeful and scarred from the La Mirage fire (yes, I was influenced by Melrose Place's Kimberly!). She is still bitter about 'the liars' and yet gleeful to have crossed some names off her hitlist. We discover that Krystle did not have a brain tumor at all but was heavily drugged to convey symptoms on Claudia's orders and then euthanized at a Swiss clinic. We also discover that Claudia's dyke henchwoman (played by Julie T. Wallace) had cut Alexis and Dex's life support systems after their fall from La Mirage.
Claudia moves her base of operations to a Denver condo, where she paces the rooms in a black veil! The dyke henchwoman dresses up as a nurse and delivers Sable's baby girl, sending to back to Claudia and telling Sable that it died at birth. Claudia then calls the baby 'Lindsay' after her dead daughter. Once the grieving Sable is released from hospital, somebody starts blackmailing her about the identity of her baby's father, threatening to reveal all to Blake! Claudia later discovers having bugged Monica Colby's office that Sable's baby is a Dexter and not a bonafide Carrington after all - she stops calling the baby Lindsay and casually decides to sell it on the black market.....
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 125||05/10/2015|
Could someone give me a wrap up of how they dealt with Krystle...I had stopped watching by the time she left.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 126||05/10/2015|
Stephanie Beachum is ugly as hell. At least Joan Collins was pretty when she was younger.
Stephanie makes Bonnie Franklin look attractive.
Barbara Stanwyck looked ready to fall down dead and Charlton Heston acted as if he were still doing BIG movies.....
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 127||05/10/2015|
R126 Krystle had a brain tumor. Blake flew her overseas to get it operated on but the surgery went wrong and she fell into a coma. But of course she woke up for the reunion in 1991 and reunited with him.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 128||05/10/2015|
R127 that's a bad picture. Stephanie is a striking beautiful woman but not a 10 like Joan was.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 129||05/10/2015|
Ugly? Get the fuck out of here.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 130||05/10/2015|
Did they ever resolve who that woman in the limousine was supposed to be? I've heard Dominique again but who would care? I suppose at that point it would have been stupid no matter who it was.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 131||05/10/2015|
For Stephanie Beacham fans, check out her sensational performance in the UK series Connie (this was just before The Colbys), playing an exiled fashion businesswoman in the rag trade who comes back to England to challenge her greedy family. It's an amazingly written series, and she is so incredibly glamorous even though the locale is grim as hell!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 132||05/10/2015|
More Stephanie as Connie:
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 133||05/10/2015|
I wonder why the writers/producers/whoever was in charge ended up hating Gordon Thomson. By the last couple of seasons he was the best thing on there.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 134||05/10/2015|
Joan Collins, Stephanie Beecham and Juliet Mills all played cousins on the show
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 135||05/10/2015|
The woman in the limo was a woman from Blake's past, to be played by Lauren Hutton. She may even have supplied the voice over in that last ep.
In my Claudia return she was only slightly injured in the La Mirage fire. In the melee she managed to loot the guests' safety deposit boxes, making her wealthy. She fled to Europe. In a box of old papers left to her by Walter Lankershim she read about the Collection, so she returned to Denver to get it and ruin Blake in the process. She was still under the delusion that he has swindled her out of the oil well. No lezzies in my version.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 136||05/10/2015|
I'd just like to say that I want Colby Keller in me, quite deeply.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 137||05/10/2015|
I loved Dynasty in its heyday, so I tried to watch The Colbys. I never could get into the storylines or bring myself to care what happened to any of the characters besides Barbara Stanwyck's just because she was ancient by then. I remember Max Caulfield looked good back then.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 138||05/10/2015|
The Colbys had better production values than Dynasty. It looked absolutely AMAZING. Better lighting. Everything was like a classic Hollywood movie. No wonder Stanwyck and Heston signed up.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 139||05/10/2015|
I agree that Heston acted as if he was still an A list actor during his heyday. He was so handsome in the 50's and 60's. He even did a shirtless scene on the Colby's. He had a bit of a belly, but still looked somewhat presentable.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 140||05/10/2015|
I thought the exact opposite... that the interiors of The Colbys looked completely suburban, just like Southfork.
Dyansty, even if you never saw the location pilot shot at Filoli, was about the only TV series about the rich that felt authentic - a real mansion. They kept a good sense of proportion on the sets, at least until the moved Venus de Milo to the end of the hall and relocated the staircase.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 141||05/10/2015|
This really is slightly off topic, but Linda Evans did not really quit Dyansty, she was let go. When David Paulson, EP of the last season signed on he said there was barely a budget to work with. He had a vision what the show needed to look like but no money to realize anything. For example, he found previous seasons to look claustrophobic because there were never any exterior shots anymore. He wanted to "open up" the show but that would have cost money. Likewise was he not able to hire actors for more characters. So he and the studio decided to let Evans go and cut Collin's episodes in half. He said of the three big-ticket (expensive) actors, they couldn't let go Blake Carrington as the patriarch. Paulson also found that the relationship of Blake and Krystle was lovely but from a drama point of view boring because their characters were always, and needed to be, so in tune. So he wanted to break that. (Forsythe was unhappy about that.) For the same reason Susan Sullivan was let go on Falcon Crest. For just the salary of Sullivan they were able to hire three new regulars. I suppose that's what they did on Dynasty too when they brought on Beacham and Scoggins.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 142||05/10/2015|
I like the interiors on THE COLBYS . They look wealthy, but in a different way from those on DYNASTY. The difference in the theme music is interesting. DYNASTY is more stately whereas THE COLBYS is almost like a swashbuckler. It's more akin to FALCON CREST than the show that spawned it.
As to Beacham's attractiveness, she doesn't have as beautiful a face as Collins, but certainly not unattractive. Her body, though, is a freaking work of art. I could almost go straight for that body. But of course there's also prime era Maxwell Caulfield to consider.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 143||05/10/2015|
Does anyone know if Charlton Heston was possibly bisexual?
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 144||05/10/2015|
[quote]Dyansty, even if you never saw the location pilot shot at Filoli, was about the only TV series about the rich that felt authentic - a real mansion. They kept a good sense of proportion on the sets, at least until the moved Venus de Milo to the end of the hall and relocated the staircase.
Agreed. At the beginning it felt fairly realistic (by Hollywood standards), but then they configured the set and the downstairs hall went from mansion to McMansion. What a weird choice.
A good number of scenes used to happen in the kitchen as well, but (IIRC) the kitchen set was dropped after Joseph's departure and we instead were treated to the boring breakfast room.
Nothing, however, was as bad as the reunion movie, where they didn't even attempt to recreate the sets and just shot on location in what was very obviously a hotel. Can't find any pictures of it online but it was heinous.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 145||05/10/2015|
I can't find links either but it wasn't a hotel... it was an actually horrid home in LA.
I assume the reconfigure of set was because it was cheaper to strike and to light.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 146||05/10/2015|
R142 I think it was mutual that Linda wanted to leave and they wanted her to go. I have also heard she would've done the whole season if she knew it was gonna be the last. But of course they would've let her go anyway then. If Dynasty returned for another season I wonder if Evans would've been involved in any capacity.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 147||05/10/2015|
"Does anyone know if Charlton Heston was possibly bisexual?"
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 148||05/10/2015|
"The woman in the limo was a woman from Blake's past, to be played by Lauren Hutton."
So now Lauren Hutton is not a lez?
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 149||05/10/2015|
Echoing what R147 says, Aaron Spelling would have found the money to keep Linda Evans until the end.
She was too important to the show (like Blake and Alexis) to lose
It really was a mutual decision.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 150||05/10/2015|
OP, you answered your own question. By the time The Colbys premiered, the novelty of Dynasty and Dallas (and the way they reflected the values of the first Reagan administration) was over, so it came on just too late. But they had some very weak performers as well. besides Stephanie Beacham (the best thing about the show) their best were Barbara Stanwyck and Ricardo Montalban, and the writers didn't know what to do with them; in the meantime they were stuck with actors of very limited range (Heston, Katharine Ross, John James, ) and actors who are so weak as to be practically non-actors (Emma Samms, whoever played Bliss).
Plus the set-up was too identical to Dynasty. Instead of a gravelly aging rich patriarch, with a raging bitch for an ex-wife and a nice bland pretty lady as a 2nd wife, and several troubled children, we instead had in the Colbys a gravelly aging rich patriarch with a raging bitch for a wife and a nice bland pretty lady for a mistress, and several troubled children.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 151||05/10/2015|
I could never take Ricardo Fine Corinthian Leather seriously.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 152||05/10/2015|
I really enjoyed Montalban. He made Zach Powers a multi-layered character. The Jason/Sable/Zach triangle was the most watchable part of the show. Frankie was the weak link in the romantic plot. Ross was somewhat bland, but was saddled with a character that made Krystle look dynamic by comparison. The addition of Michael Parks added some intensity. Poor Bliss never was really integrated with the rest of the family. She was always off with some love interest. Even when she was with Zach's nephew she still seemed to be in another show.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 153||05/10/2015|
I cringed whenever Emma Samms came on as Fallon. I remember a critic said 30 years ago when it aired her portrayal made you wanna crawl on your bare knees through jagged glass to beg Pamela Sue Martin to return. Exactly how I felt. Of course they offered her a chance to come back. But of course she said no. The character had been so radically altered (far weaker, no edge) she did the smart thing by staying away from the spin off.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 154||05/10/2015|
Emma played a vixen on GH. I liked her as Fallon but the writers wrote her as if she were Amanda.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 155||05/11/2015|
Agree with your last paragraph r151. I remember watching it for the first time and my mother saying something similar, along with "oh look they even have an Alexis too"
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 156||05/11/2015|
Katharine Ross really was a weak link. There were so many other actresses who could have done better. It's just that anyone they asked said no. They should have explored Fallon's disappearance a little more. It might have been interesting.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 157||05/11/2015|
I watched The Colbys when it was new, being a Dynasty fan. I thought it started out good. Resident British Bitch Stephanie Beecham was acceptable as the Colby Alexis. I was shocked to see a big star like Charlton Heston doing soap series TV, though. Kinda brought his esteemed star down I thought. I figured he needed the work and cash. But The Colbys always hedged on being trashier than Dynasty. Everyone expected it to be scandalous. It never hit. It always seemed to miss. When it was canceled I didn't cry. No, I didn't cry.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 158||05/11/2015|
People finally outgrew these sill night time saps, with their poorly acted, dopey hysterical plots.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 159||05/11/2015|
I initially wrote Beacham off as a Collins clone and didn't watch more then a few episodes. It was only after watching THE COLBYS on SoapNet that I realized how wonderful and nuanced her performance was. She's melodramatic to be sure, but never false. The show was good enough to deserve a couple more seasons at least, but between the mistaken idea that it was just a lesser ripoff of DYNASTY and the bad timing, it didn't stand much of a chance.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 160||05/11/2015|
R157 I thought Ross did ok in the role. But it was stretch to say the least to think her and Beacham were sisters. As far as Fallon's disappearance I think it was explored enough the season after Martin left. I really don't know what Spelling was thinking casting Samms in the role. Never listen to your stupid daughter on recasting a major character on a #1 show. If he thought her fans would follow her from GH that's one thing. But you are just gonna alienate the majority of fans by going in the opposite direction of Martin. Which ended up happening. One of the nails in the Colbys coffin was Samms.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 162||05/11/2015|
Funny... no one has mentioned Maxwell Caulfield at all in this discussion.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 163||05/11/2015|
Tracy Scoggins would have made a good Fallon.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 164||05/11/2015|
Co-creator William Bast just died.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 165||05/11/2015|
In fairness, Ross was given a thankless role. Frankie was so wishy-washy where men were concerned. It got worse once Michael Parks was added as Phillip Colby. David Hedison as ex-husband Roger said something to the effect that she loves whatever man she's with at the time, and that was a true statement.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 166||05/11/2015|
I loved the Colbys. I lusted after Maxwell Caulfield, and loved the old Hollywood feel to the show. The theme song was stirring. I also liked Dynasty, but not as much as this for some reason. I was never attracted to John James, even though I was told I bore a resemblance to him at the time. Probably because I tried to dress like him more than anything real.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 167||05/11/2015|
Only on DL could this thread not only exist but THRIVE.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 168||05/12/2015|
Caulfield was beautiful, almost femininely so. James was handsome. Neither, sadly, have aged well. Charles Van Eman was quIte the piece hImself.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 169||05/13/2015|
Yes, Ross was stuck with a thankless role. Frankie was a "type" and a plot point. They had no clue what or who she should be, just the "brunette Krystle" in their pivotal triangle. For years, Jeff's mother was dead; now she was alive and living in England as an aristocrat and she was Jason's ex-lover ... and oh, yeah, she was also Sable's sister. The writers had no clue what they wanted from that family.
It still boggles my mind Ross accepted the job. Ross must have been hard up.
With better writers - and possibly a Jennifer O'Neill or a Jaclyn Smith in the role - Frankie could have been a great character.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 170||05/13/2015|
thanks for the laugh OP and, of course, OH, DEAR.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 171||05/13/2015|
[quote]Caulfield was beautiful, almost femininely so. James was handsome. Neither, sadly, have aged well.
GEEZ!!! You guys are rough!!! He looks good for a 55 year old man.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 172||05/13/2015|
I think Caulfield has aged well. Has to wear a rug, but it's not a bad one.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 173||05/13/2015|
He's lost most of his hair, but I think Caulfield looks pretty good. I saw a Modern Family rerun with him the other night and yeah, he could still get it.
John James, on the other hand..not so much.
Dynasty and The Colbys both did some really stupid things, but the worst was Emma Samms as Fallon.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 174||05/13/2015|
What was so bad about Emma?
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 175||05/13/2015|
[quote]I saw a Modern Family rerun with him the other night and yeah, he could still get it.
If by "it" you mean his septuagenarian wife, then, yes.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 176||05/13/2015|
I get a 404 error when I click on R172's link.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 177||05/13/2015|
Katharine Ross was suppose to be the Linda Evans of The Colbys
but it was such a wishy washy part
Best line from Sable
Frankie you are a walking ad for adultery
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 178||05/13/2015|
"Pop" is showing Dynasty reruns in the mornings. Today was 'Enter Alexis!'
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 179||05/13/2015|
R175 Watch Fallon portrayed by Pamela Sue Martin and then Emma Samms. It should answer your question. Not even in the same league acting and charisma wise for starters.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 180||05/13/2015|
R180, at least Emma Samms wasn't going bald!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 181||05/13/2015|
R181 Pamela Sue could've been bald in the role and still better than Samms.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 182||05/13/2015|
R180 - I'm asking what was it about her acting that made her unsuitable.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 183||05/13/2015|
R183 1. Couldn't pull off an American accent if her life depended on it. 2. Spoke in a monotone. Horrible speaking voice in fact. 3. Played the role with absolutely no edge.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 184||05/13/2015|
[quote] 1. Couldn't pull off an American accent if her life depended on it. 2. Spoke in a monotone. Horrible speaking voice in fact. 3. Played the role with absolutely no edge.
I'm a little young to remember Emma Samms. I think I may have seen her in Casualty or something like that, but 1. might have led to 2. and 3. Brits often go monotone when trying to do an American accent. And concentrating on an accent can really inhibit someone's acting.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 186||05/13/2015|
I remember her on GH and thought she did a good job. That's why I was asking why she was inadequate as Fallon. Probably it was the challenge of the accent.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 187||05/13/2015|
Kate O'Mara was supposed to play Frankie, which would have made for more sense considering Sable was English. She would have made the character a huge hit, and been magical opposite Beacham (both are strong but subtle actresses, unlike La Collins). Because she wasn't avilable to fly out, they cast her as the less fleshed out Caress in Dynasty a season later instead.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 188||05/13/2015|
i think al corley wasone of the greatest actors from dynasty. i wandered if he was secretly gay?
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 189||05/13/2015|
I hated fake Steven too. Jack Coleman had zero sex appeal. Very good-looking but zero sex appeal. Al was fucking sex on a stick.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 191||05/13/2015|
R187 that's part of the reason why it was such a debacle to cast Samms in the role. They wanted her to use an American accent but she couldn't pull it off. In Samms defense the role was written on The Colbys as an ultimate victim. The role was Fallon in name only on The Colbys and really had nothing to do with Martin in the slightest. When David Jacobs took over Dynasty in season 9 he was going to ask Martin to come back but decided to give Samms another chance. She did improve in the role but never enough to make you forget Martin.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 192||05/13/2015|
I've been watching the first season on POP and Martin is arguably the best actor that year. She really made Fallon a complex character as opposed to falling in the easy traps of just playing her as a spoiled slut or a bitchy brat.
Corley is also fantastic as he plays Steven and homosexuality as sympathetic. Which is a feat since even the writers are basically trying to make the audience believe it is unnatural and a mental illness.
I also think Bellwood did her best that first year, too.
Forsythe was too hammy in the beginning and Evans was, and still is, a piece of drift wood.
I wanted Steven to have an affair with Matthew Blaisdale. That would have been hot.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 193||05/13/2015|
How many people couldn't stand Krystle?
I remember my mom saying, "I think Krystle is such a boring character. She doesn't do anything for the show."
Aside from her dissatisfaction with Blake, all Krystle did for most of the series was stand in Blake's shadow, cheering him on, saying, "Oh, Blake, I know you can pull through this, you're such a winner, Alexis can't get away with this!"
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 194||05/13/2015|
R193 Loved the first season too. All the points you made were right. The show began as an indictment of the rich to a celebration of them after Collins joined. The show probably would've been cancelled without Joan joining it though and Spelling was a master of giving the audience what it wanted. It lost it serious undertones after the first year but still was enjoyable and fun as hell the first five years. Collins was born to play Alexis.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 195||05/13/2015|
The tone changed significantly after the first year. From a well-acted nighttime drama, to a scenery-chewing "big event" crapfest. Oh, it was still fun to watch. But you felt miserable afterwards, like eating that pint of Ben & Jerry's.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 196||05/14/2015|
A good friend who worked at ABC during the show's run told me that Caulfield and Heston did not get along. Heston was furious that, one day early on, Caulfield showed up to work completely messed up from being gang-fisted the night before. It delayed production and Heston had words with Caulfield over his unprofessional behavior. They didn't speak off-camera at all after that.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 197||05/14/2015|
What made the Dynasty theme tune better than The Colbys theme, if you really listen to the melody without the intrusive trumpet, was that it had a sadness about it, a fragility and hint of tragedy.
And by the way....
I'm tired of the Krystle hate. In the first two seasons, she was a strong character. She was kind by nature but she was also tough and assertive. Only later was she made into this madonna type figure to offset Joan as the wicked temptress. And that was when Dynasty became no different than a cartoon:
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 198||05/14/2015|
Martin was no great actress. Samms could act, but Martin had that feisty edge that set her Fallon apart. Plus in the first seasons, Fallon was written as a strong character. By the time Martin left, Fallon had begun to be watered down. When Samms inherited the role as amnesiac Fallon, it was written as a victim and continued on until the last season of DYNASTY. If DYNASTY had been given another season or more and the writing had stayed good, Samms would have made the role her own. Samms acting on THE COLBYS was good, but the character as written was Fallon in name only.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 199||05/14/2015|
R199 Agree with everything you say except Samms and her acting on The Colbys. She was horrible and too young for the role. Martin was never Meryl Streep but you believed her on the earlier Dynasty seasons as a worldly rich party girl who was just as smart as the men on the show. Plus Martin had amazing chemistry with all the cast members that Samms never had. Has to be the worst recast ever on primetime. She's one of the many reasons Dynasty and Colbys dropped like a stone in the ratings.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 200||05/14/2015|
Pamela Sue Martin reminded me of Debra Winger. They were very, very strong and spirited on screen.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 201||05/14/2015|
LOVE the Mary's comment on this video!!!
[quote]I like how Krystle's outfit matches the color of the mud they fall into. It symbolises how Krystle is a part of nature herself and how Alexis is always battling against nature, terrified of falling into mud, water or enduring any form of physical discomfort. Krystle is a natural woman, a child of the earth. Alexis has been so consumed with conquest, she has no real connection to the world itself and so, when thrown into a chaotic situation, Alexis is no match for Krystle. As a woman, Krystle had a moral code but could fight dirty when called for it. I really admire her.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 202||05/14/2015|
R201 Agreed. They would be great as sisters in a film.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 203||05/14/2015|
What THE COLBYS needed was an actress of great range in a pivotal role. One who could bring strength, pathos, and an overpowering charisma. I don't want to be immodest, but I did receive an incredible response from DYNASTY fans during my run on the show. I could have saved THE COLBYS!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 204||05/14/2015|
Sable's first ever scene (on Dynasty, introducing the Colby clan) - listen to Beacham's enunciation of 'grisly bear' and try not to cream yourselves.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 205||05/14/2015|
I wonder if JC minded that she was being upstaged by a far better actress. SB was the shit!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 206||09/02/2015|
[quote]Tori Spelling suggested Emma Samms to her father after seeing her on General Hospital.
ugh. Proof Candy is right.. Tori is worthless and ruins everything!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 207||09/02/2015|
Beacham kills in this scene.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 208||10/03/2015|
Enjoying my Colbys dvds with glorious Sable on my fabulous widescreen!!!!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 209||03/02/2016|
I enjoyed it, too.
I remember The Colbys became a little running gag on Letterman, though. They played a clip, I believe, of a closeup of Barbara Stanwyk saying "For the love of God!" at some moment, with Heston reacting.
So, "For the love of God, Paul" was a thing a few times. Or "For the love of God, Charlton!"
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 210||03/02/2016|
[quote]So how did it all go so terribly wrong?
The writing was shit and not much differentiated it from DYNASTY.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 211||03/02/2016|
[quote] Which makes Jeff and Fallon cousins.
"Cousins" only in a broad sense, but they are not actual first cousins.
Jeff's mom (Francesca) and Fallon's mother (Alexis) are first cousins.
Jeff and Fallon are first cousins twice removed. That's legal in every state.
btw, first cousin marriages are legal in both California and Colorado (both of which states where Jeff and Fallon lived), as well as in several other states.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 212||03/02/2016|
Excuse me: I was wrong. Jeff and Fallon are second cousins since their mothers are first cousins.
Second cousin marriage is legal in every state.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 213||03/02/2016|
I'm glad The Colbys has something of a cult following now. It was the little show that could.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 214||03/02/2016|
SABLE: Jeff goes, and that's final!
CONSTANCE: Over my... dead... body....!!!!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 215||03/03/2016|
Sable channeling Norma Desmond here!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 216||03/03/2016|
Am I still being compared to Pamela Sue after 30 years?
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 217||03/03/2016|
R211 the writing was pretty close to Dynasty. In fact the Colbys was somewhat better than Dyansty when Dynasty was in the toilet the two years Colbys was on. It was just too much of a good thing and Dynasty already covered the territory and better before the spin off. Plus Emma Samms as a weakened Fallon and a cast that was too large certainly didn't help.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 218||03/03/2016|
Colbys deserves to be viewed outside of the mothership (no pun intended), and regarded on its own merits. I suggest everybody grab the boxset!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 219||03/03/2016|
Kate O'Mara explains how she and Stephanie Beacham won the roles of the sisters on The Colbys but Kate couldn't get out of her play on time so had to be replaced with Katharine Ross. What a shame! I would have loved to have seen what she could have done with Frankie. Maybe made her a bit bitchier, who knows.... they gave her Caress as consolation! Colbys talk at 5:15 of the clip.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 220||03/04/2016|
R42 Who the hell is Rula Lenksa??
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 222||03/04/2016|
Stephanie certainly brought the camp factor to Sable but I always considered her a poor mans Alexis. Joan was unrivaled in the role of Alexis. Would've loved to have seen what actresses like Faye Dunaway or Elizabeth Ashley would've done to Sable since they were offered the role. Her Fayeness of course wanted too much money. Even Elizabeth Montgomery would've been tremendous as Sable but I think she was offered the Frankie part and didn't wanna commit to another series. I thought the British bitch thing was to on the nose on the Colbys and an American in the part would've been better.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 223||03/04/2016|
You've got be kidding me r223, they were totally different characters! Alexis was essentially a man in drag, a glamorous Margaret Thatcher, but Sable was very much a Jacqueline Kennedy, a Victorian wife. You only make out they were alike for superficial reasons: a clipped English accent. Sable spoke better, anyway.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 224||03/04/2016|
R224 ugh you gotta be kidding me. I know Beacham has her admirers and have to admit she worked well going head to head with Alexis on the last season of Dynasty. But to compare Sable to Jackie Kennedy is ludicrous. Aaron Spelling went for what worked on the Colbys when the American actresses fell through. Casting a washed up British actress in the bitch role. No originality in that .
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 225||03/04/2016|
r225, Jackie Kennedy was a traditional wife in the Victorian sensibility, so was Sable. Don't call Stephanie a washed up British actress: she was in her prime when cast as Sable, coming off a hugely successful British series called Connie. If anybody was WASHED UP, it was Joan Collins who before Dynasty was only being cast in horror movies and softcore porn. Beacham was a hugely talented veteran of stage and screen.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 226||03/04/2016|
R226 outside of the U.K. most American viewers didn't even know who Beacham was . The fact Spelling had a few other actresses in mind before Stephanie speaks volumes. At least Collins had a few good film to her name in the 50s and 60s. Beacham can't even claim that. She was still pretty washed up as an actor. Alexis was clearly the better character. A powerful business woman running an international company competing in a mans world who could be just as slutty and bitchy as anyone . Always found Sable too limited and always dependent on the whims of a man. Jason. Angling for Blake if he would've given her the time of day after Krystle left. Sable really had no life of her own. Living off her husband. Being a cunt for just for the hell of it.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 227||03/04/2016|
r227, you obviously never even fucking watched The Colbys because Sable had her own career as a hugely successful art curator and then when she crossed over to Dynasty, she expanded her enterprise and bought Alexis' hotel out from under her, serving an eviction notice.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 228||03/04/2016|
Sable takes over the hotel.
"But that's what Pavilion Resorts does, Darling. It acquires rundown properties that have been poorly maintained, such as yourself."
HAHAHAHAHA. Love it.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 229||03/04/2016|
R228 I did watch the Colbys first run when I was a teen , bitch. Who's money was responsible for that? Jason's. Comparing an art curator to running Colbyco is even more ridiculous than Jackie Kennedy. Alexis could buy and sell Sable and Sable knew it. Sable couldn't even think of running a company. She was too obsessed with trying to tie Jason down. When he had enough of her bullshit she threw herself at Zachary Powers. And of course that was no surprise being the gold digger that she was. Alexis of course inherited Colbyco after Cecil died but it grew into an even stronger company with her at the helm. Always found it amusing Alexis would maintain her composure when fighting with Sable because she knew she wasn't in her league.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 230||03/04/2016|
Hey cunt r230, Alexis got her empire through marrying a Colby having previously been an oil painter. So what if Sable got her career through her husband? Alexis did exactly the same thing. By Season 9 of Dynasty, Sable was buying out Alexis' poorly maintained ass... and guess what bitch? Alexis was the one who crashed over a balcony at the end of the series - with Sable pregnant by Alexis' husband - so we know who the producers were rooting for.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 231||03/04/2016|
R231 um Collins was leaving the show, cunt. It all boils down to who who kept spreading her legs for money and who actually had some brains to go beyond this. You guessed it. Alexis. Of course Alexis fucked for the money she had but after Cecil died she proved herself by going toe to toe with other businessmen including her ex and running Colbyco and earning her own money. Sable? Money, jewels, furs, looking for any rich guy. Let's not forget Miles and Monica not being Jason's children. And she wonders why Jason would fuck her sister after being married to her superficial ass for years. He had his fill.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 232||03/04/2016|
r232, Sable proved just as adept a businesswoman as Alexis, once she was out on her own. Which means she earned her own money, too. Now leave the argument with some grace you wretched little cuntstain.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 233||03/04/2016|
Miles and Monica was the product of Sable being RAPED you stupid asshole! At least Sable was there for all of her children. Alexis ABANDONED hers, living the high life for two decades and not even seeing Steven and Fallon. Sable's children were devoted to her: ALL OF THEM.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 234||03/04/2016|
R234 so what if she raped you moron. She kept it from Jason for years knowing her children would maybe be disinherited. And why did she do that? To stay in Jason's good graces. Remember when Jeff came to town? She was so afraid her or her precious children would have to part with some of their money. Connie couldn't stand her. She saw Sable for who she was. A conniving gold digger. And so did Jason eventually. And adept business woman at exactly what? An art curator? God you are dumb. Most of Sables money at this point was earned by Jason. And Alexis was paid to stay away from her kids. Alexis started as a gold digger but evolved.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 235||03/04/2016|
[quote] so what if she raped you moron. She kept it from Jason for years knowing her children would maybe be disinherited
Smart thinking to me. Let's see, Alexis causes Krystle to miscarry a child and Sable gaslights Connie making her think she is senile so she has to go into a conservatorship and lose control of her money, thus turning her 'gift' to Jeff back to Miles: when it came to diabolical manipulative plotting, Alexis was sloppy and Sable was a genius. And Sable had a better accent.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 236||03/04/2016|
Joan Collins highlights the pros and cons of playing Alexis in this 1988 interview. What bothered her was Alexis' ongoing hardness, an obstacle that Stephanie Beacham remedied with Sable by instilling vulnerability. Joan complains here about Alexis lacking vulnerability: well, if she had bothered to play it, they would have written it. As such, Sable turned out to be a three dimensional role and Alexis became a villainous pastiche, style over substance.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 237||03/04/2016|
R236 Sable a genius ?! Ha ha. At spreading her legs. We are talking about who was the best bitch here. Dynasty lasted 4 times longer with Collins. If Sable was such a dynamic character why did the show suffer from low ratings and cancelled after two seasons? Beacham was billed as one of the top four actors on the show. Simple. Because Collins was HUGE as Alexis and was first and better in the British bitch role. And the ratings and critical response to the Colbys reflected this.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 238||03/04/2016|
R237 Collins must have selective memory. There were plenty of scenes that showed Alexis vulnerable after being rejected by Blake and her children.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 239||03/04/2016|
Listen to me r239, you cunterous malignancy : Dynasty's ratings were collapsing by the time Colbys came about... BOTH shows were in jeopardy and Colbys was not helped by continuous change in timeslots. Collins could not save the sinking ship, but who was the secret weapon for the show's final season that brought it the kind of acclaim it had not had in YEARS?!!!! STEPHANIE BEACHAM as SABLE.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 240||03/04/2016|
Opening with Colbys, Barbara Stanwyck opens those doors showing who is the biggest bitch of them all! Shame on them not using Barbara and Stephanie more. Wasted opportunity.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 241||03/04/2016|
R240 haha your arguments are going down in flames and you know it. Sable worked well as a foil for Alexis in the last season. Nothing more. She was only a small part of the creative resurgence in the last season and you can't cite Beachams compelling characterization (in your mind) for its last hurrah solely. And Beacham was still under contract with Spelling so she had to do it. Beacham herself has said she was so tired of the character by this point she wanted to move on and do that stupid sitcom with Jason Priestley. Of course Dynasty was in the toilet but still doesn't change the fact the public preferred Alexis to Sable. Don't blame changing time slots. An audience will find a show if they really love it asswipe.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 242||03/04/2016|
Wonderful stuff r241, it makes you wonder how Dynasty would have fared had it been expanded to a two hours a week with the Colbys included!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 243||03/04/2016|
I simply could not reconcile Emma Samms as Fallon to her predecessor Pamela Sue Martin. Although John James has said that Emma coming on as Fallon allowed him to play Jeff with more edge, since PSM's Fallon was wearing the trousers in their relationship. But how compelling would it have been if Emma had played Monica and Tracy Scoggins had been Fallon instead?
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 244||03/04/2016|
Stephanie and her Sable were simply superior to Joan and Alexis. Sable was funnier and Stephanie played her very well.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 245||03/04/2016|
R244 I agree. Scoggins was better suited. Monica was really the Fallon character on Colbys. Fallon as played by Samms? Barefoot and pregnant. PSM must think it's the best decision she ever made not returning Dynasty/Colbys as Fallon was written.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 246||03/04/2016|
Thanks r245: Sable and Monica were fierce as fuck in that scene, grinding Alexis into fine dust!!!!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 247||03/04/2016|
Calm down. Calm down. You do realize these are not real people?
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 248||03/04/2016|
R247 Alexis got her revenge by spilling Sables secret about Jason not being the father of Miles and Monica. Alexis always thought Sable was a ridiculous woman (she was). Krystle always was the better opponent. She had the one thing Alexis wanted which was Blake. But Alexis and Sable did have some funny scenes.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 249||03/04/2016|
And Alexis never got Blake. Alexis met her end with Dynasty, crashing over a rail with Dex. And no, I don't consider 'The Reunion' to be canon. Alexis died, Krystle died in Switzerland and Sable became the new Queen Bee of Denver.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 250||03/04/2016|
R250 ugh give me a break. Lotta love on here for a character like Sable who's sole purpose in life was acquiring more money and fucking men who were loaded. It must be all the camp value that Beacham brought to the part especially among gays.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 251||03/04/2016|
This thread is great nostalgia!
The recent posts are also weirdly compelling.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 252||03/04/2016|
Who ever wrote the dialogue... Mummy!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 253||03/04/2016|
r253, this is the COLBYS thread, bitch. Get out.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 254||03/04/2016|
r251, I don't give a damn about your insipid argument... OR YOU.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 255||03/04/2016|
R255 like I give a shit. That clip means nothing. Only reinforces how stupid Sable was not to see she drove Jason away with her antics. Sable is one character who never evolved or learned from her bullshit. The ratings don't lie ok. Stanwyck left the show after season one due to the ratings being in the sewer.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 256||03/04/2016|
The Colbys win the People's Choice Award for Favorite New Drama. Joan Collins can be seen in the audience pretending to be pleased for them LOL
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 257||03/04/2016|
R253 Her name is Alexis COLBY, you bitch.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 258||03/04/2016|
A delightful extract about her Colbys audition from Beacham's memoir Many Lives. I'm transcribing this for you all because I care about this thread and want it to well, and you're all darlings for contributing to it.
[quote]Getting the part of Sable Colby depended on an interview with Aaron Spelling, the executive producer of 'Dynasty'. I was shown into his office. It was very large and there was an ocean of thick shag carpet I had to wade through, very difficult to accomplish elegantly, before reaching an enormous desk behind which was a small, slim, suntanned Texan with white hair and a sweet smile. 'You're younger than I thought you'd be', he said. 'But much more experienced', I countered. I wanted this. You can't pay school fees for two daughters on the wages from the National Theatre. Aaron's voice a soft Texan twang and then he lifted a large white telephone and said.. 'I'm sending her to wardrobe'. It was straight out of the movies. Within minutes I was being measured by the great designer Nolan Miller and Sable was being brought to life.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 259||03/04/2016|
R259 interesting. After Dunaway and Ashley turned down the role sure he went to his default position of let me make a star out of another British has been. Plus I'm sure he paid her peanuts. The castings of Samms probably went as fast. But Beacham was Meryl Streep compared to Samms.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 260||03/04/2016|
She was not a has been r260. In England, she was a hugely successful working actress but the salaries for any actor are never extravagant. In the USA, it's not that she was a has-been, it's more like she was a never-was. But she rectified all of that with Sable, and enjoyed a tremendous acclaim and success.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 261||03/04/2016|
R261 in the mid 80s rightly or wrongly actors who failed in film and did tv were has beens. So in the UK at least she was considered a has been. Only film I remember her in was that piece of shit she did with Brando. I know your the president of her fan club but she didn't get great acclaim for the role. Collins was Emmy nominated and won a globe for Alexis. And the Colbys wasn't a success. It has a cult following now because of its high camp and its excess. These are facts.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 262||03/04/2016|
The difference between Joan and Stephanie is that Joan as Alexis created an essentially American icon, a New World, New Money, New Woman type of paradigm. Stephanie Beacham on the other hand exuded a European aristocratic bearing that Joan simply did not have. You could put Stephanie's Sable on a time machine and place her on the Titanic in 1912 and nobody would know she had come from the future. She was a grand, GRAND lady.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 263||03/04/2016|
r262, you're kicking against the majority opinion in this thread: nobody is trying to deny Joan Collins her stunning success and iconic stature as Alexis Carrington, we're merely saying that she gave off a 'New Money' vibe as a defining figure of wealth which arguably has the Kardashians as her direct descendents. Stephanie Beacham looks like she comes from good breeding: no softcore porn skin flicks or B-Movies for HER.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 264||03/04/2016|
R263 so how does that make Sable a better character than Alexis? Sable stayed the same from Colbys to Dynasty? Alexis evolved. Between the two shows there were a lot of useless characters but the best ones changed and grew. The only thing Sable ever changed were her designer outfits.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 265||03/04/2016|
R264 check out her IMDb. It's chock full of plenty of B films . And she was nude in the Nightcomers fucking Brando.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 266||03/04/2016|
Absolute rubbish r265: Sable is the character whose narrative evolution was the most authentic and stunning. Alexis only had complexity in the early seasons of Dynasty, afterwards she was no different than a cartoon character.. I refer to the interview with Joan posted upthread where she is perturbed by Alexis' lack of complexity and unwillingness to FEEL. Sable was a tyrant on The Colbys but the destruction of her marriage absolutely wrecked her. We saw someone in Sable who loved very deeply and did all the wrong things for the right reasons. Alexis destroyed because it gave her pleasure: no profound motivations for her. Every fucking season was her vowing to destroy Blake. If you think that's character evolution, you're a fucking retard.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 267||03/04/2016|
R267 there's a thin line between love and hate shithead. Alexis always loved Blake. But he rejected her so she tried to get even. When Alexis got the mansion it brought her no joy. She was always looking for the love and acceptance of her ex and their children. So you could argue Alexis did the wrong things for the right reasons too. I could never imagine Sable running Colby Enterprises like Alexis running Colbyco. Sable only concern was money and her children not being ousted. Plus superficial shit that comes with being rich. And of course hooking up with a few rich men. The Dynasty reunion was crap but Beacham wasn't invited (speaks volumes considering they brought Max Caufield back for it) and he was even more bland than Sable. Alexis and her character arc was complete because she learned to accept Blake wasn't gonna leave Krystle. Sable? Taking care of her baby from yet another guy she spread her legs for.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 268||03/04/2016|
Constance Colby orchestrated the Moldavian Massacre. You heard it here first. I'm glad I can finally reveal this after 30 years.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 269||03/04/2016|
"The Carrington family are assembled at the wedding in Moldavia: make sure the actors we've hired are convincing as insurgents. And remember, I'm doing this for my family."
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 270||03/04/2016|
"Blake's new wife is a sweet girl, but rather dim. She has no idea I tried to have her entire family killed at the wedding of Blake's daughter in Moldavia last year. Ah, at least the party in Denver as pleasant enough."
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 271||03/04/2016|
R272 Her role was terrible and the way she was dressed horrible.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 273||03/04/2016|
Stephanie was so sympathetic to Sable, that's why the character worked so well.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 274||03/04/2016|
Wearing the famous opening title dress.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 275||03/04/2016|
I loved Tracy Scoggins. She was so hot that even I, a little gayling at the time, had to admit I would at least titty fuck her.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 276||03/04/2016|
An absolute knock-out r275, sheer unadulterated GLAMOR! I think a lot of Stephanie's choices as the increasingly distraught Sable came from Stephanie being seperated from her two daughter who were at boarding school in England. She used to get very homesick for them, apparently.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 277||03/04/2016|
OT, but she toured as Callas in Master Class in 2010 and got good reviews.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 278||03/04/2016|
[quote]You could put Stephanie's Sable on a time machine and place her on the Titanic in 1912 and nobody would know she had come from the future. She was a grand, GRAND lady.
OMG, IT'S TRUE!!!!!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 279||03/04/2016|
I, too, loved Sable. Yesterday, I was being helped by a store Customer Service employee whose nametag read "Sable." I remarked that that was the name of a very cool prime-time T.V. character. She said, "Yes, I know. My folks were real big on THE COLBYS." I told her that I was, too---and that I was glad that her parents weren't real big on the Ford Mercury vehicle bearing that name.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 280||03/04/2016|
Lucy should have played Constance.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 281||03/04/2016|
This back and forth Salbe vs Alexis argument is so delightful. Yet I suspect it's the same person talking to himself.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 282||03/04/2016|
r282, I am the person defending Sable. Believe me, I would never do anything to rock the boat as far as Sable's legacy is concerned; she is rightfully a beloved character in Dynasty canon. As is Alexis, but only one of them is overrated.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 283||03/04/2016|
R283 So beloved they asked the actors who played Miles and Kirby (two inconsequential characters ) back for the reunion but no Sable. Dynasty and Colbys had worse characters than Sable I'm just saying they should've gone the American or another nationality to shake things up a bit and change the dynamic of the British bitch fighting nearly everyone on the show. Beacham seems cool in real life. I just don't think she's this multi dimensional soap goddess character that her supporters think. Even if another actress was cast may not have made a huge difference since people were tiring of the nighttime soaps. Moldavia and Bobby getting "killed" were the beginning of the end.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 284||03/04/2016|
[quote]Beacham seems cool in real life. I just don't think she's this multi dimensional soap goddess character that her supporters think.
But who the fuck CARES what you think? Who ASKED you for or even DESIRES your opinions, not only on Sable but on ANYTHING? Sable is revered here, and justly so. Haven't you got a lilypond to go and drown in because we're all sick to death of you.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 285||03/04/2016|
Look at this lovely scene between Sable and Krystle. The vulnerability Linda Evans conveys here is very powerful and Sable responds to it in a protective and authentic way. It's such a lovely scene. It also demonstrates the evolution Sable went on as a character, bearing in mind this is the same woman who in The Colbys was full of such shade and venom. She has grown. Beacham saw to that. They make a great team!!!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 286||03/04/2016|
Looks like Emma is using the lockjaw school of acting to hide her accent.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 287||03/04/2016|
She wanted to, r281, but Gary...
you know the rest.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 288||03/04/2016|
R285 kindly fuck off. You're really making a fool of yourself with this insane worship of such a forgotten character. And you're the only one sick of me because I knocked down every one of your idiotic arguments. Tried to throw your ugly dog ass a bone by saying something nice about Beacham but that doesn't even register in your feeble mind. History shows what character everyone with a brain preferred. And r286 please. Sable was just trying to get into Blakes pants by cozying up to Krystle. Looking for rich men to take care of her was Sables modus operandi .
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 289||03/04/2016|
r289, every viewer with a BRAIN favored Sable. She is the THINKING MAN's bitch goddess. Alexis is more the populist vote, all flash over content: she is the Joe Six Pack commoner's idea of a classy lady with her expensive tastes and propensity for physical altercations. Sable is the highbrow bitch you can truly savor. Alexis is just a Big Mac. Tasty in the moment but leaves you feeling pretty cheap afterwards.
And everyone else in this thread agrees with me. You're in COLBYS territory, cunt.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 290||03/04/2016|
Girls! Girls! You're both pathetic stay at home frumps obsessed with a failed 80s melodrama!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 291||03/04/2016|
R290 Alexis never started any physical altercations. It was always Krystle and your precious Sable. Everyone favored Sable?! Again the ratings speak to this . Complete and utter bullshit but you already know . Your highbrow goddess attacked Alexis. Remember ? Or have you bothered watching any episodes? Sable was jealous of Alexis pure and simple. Alexis didn't need a man to be dependent on like Sable. When Jason was finished with her she moved to Denver in a year for more rich cock.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 292||03/04/2016|
Oh, r292... what is one to do with you? I suppose that I should know by now how your disgusting little mind works. You've fouled the very roots of this thread.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 293||03/04/2016|
R293 another classy physical poke by your goddess. She looks like the wicked bitch of the west in that clip.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 294||03/04/2016|
Another charming interview with Beacham from when she joined Dynasty as Sable in Season 9. I thank god she could see the show out in true style since Collins was a bad drag act by then!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 295||03/04/2016|
Collins is gorgeous. Beacham looks like the one in drag with the hook nose and strange teeth.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 296||03/04/2016|
Sable and her girls. Love this picture. As a little gayling, I wanted it blown up as a poster next to my bed. Framed, of course.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 297||03/05/2016|
I saw her last in the britcom Boomers.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 298||03/05/2016|
Every time I see Beacham is a recent 'British production', I get heartsick. It pains me to see her dressed in civilian clothes. It's like bringing a fish out of water. I can't stand to see her stripped of her Nolan Miller gowns.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 299||03/05/2016|
I saw Goody Sable dancing with the Devil.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 300||03/05/2016|
Part of the issue for me, comparing Sable and Alexis, is the John Forsythe refusal to play any storyline in which he showed affection or attraction toward Alexis because he was a shipper for Blake 'n' Krystle forever. There were times (like when he had amnesia) where Joan would have had meatier storylines getting to balance Alexis' powerlust with her basic desire and love for Blake.
That's not a slight on Joan, but Charlton Heston, bless his heart, had no problems showing that Sable pushed Jason's buttons (whether for anger, love, lust, admiration). In fact, particularly at the end of the second season, you could actually feel the tension in Jason as Sable let the marriage go, despite her abiding love for him. It gave Beacham much more material to play because the writers weren't being hamstrung by a co-star's dictatorial edicts on plot.
I love Joan (Alexis is iconic), and I love La Beacham (who was really worthy of an Emmy nomination for that Answered Prayers episode upthread), and there's room enough here to love them both, and if someone should be ridiculed, ridicule John Forsythe.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 301||03/05/2016|
Joan Collins more than anybody knew that Stephanie Beacham and Sable made Alexis more engaging than she had been in seasons. For the first time in god knows how long, Joan finally had a co-star who approached the material with humor and true knowledge of its camp value. And Alexis and Sable were nothing alike, really. One need not cancel the other out.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 302||03/05/2016|
You know what, r301 is absolutely right. I'm getting sick and tired of the accusation that Colbys was a Dynasty retread with all the same dynamics. It absolutely was not. We did not join Dynasty during Blake and Alexis' marriage when Krystle was the 'other woman' and Alexis lost her family. By the time Dynasty began, Alexis had already been in exile for years. Colbys began with a completely different scenario, Sable was very much at the center of her own world, she adored her husband and wanted the best for her kids. I have read that part of the trouble with Colbys was that it was initially branded as "Dynasty II: The Colbys" which many people have said basically confused the viewing audience as to which show was which. If Colbys had been called "The Titans" (the name of the episode where they were first introduced on Dynasty), I believe it would have had a better chance of coming out of its predecessor's shadow. But one must remember that the two shows were inextricably linked by their characters so one can't fault the producers for giving Colbys the same layout.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 303||03/05/2016|
This is THE COLBYS thread. Colby loyalists ONLY! Any damned Carrington supporters trying to tell us Alexis was better with Sable will be duly slapped!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 304||03/05/2016|
I loved all of the prime time soaps .....
The reason The Colbys failed was because it didn't try hard enough to separate itself from Dynasty.
And as a result (for the most part) it was a lesser Dynasty retread.
Jason was Blake lite
Frankie was Krystle lite (ha ha)
Miles was Adam lite
Monica was Fallon lite (but a victim straight out the gate with her illegitimate kid/married ex storyline)
Bliss was a big nothing
All of the partners to Miles/Monica/Bliss were pretty much unforgettable (EXCEPT Channing, who they whimped up and wrote out ...... she could've held her own as the show's Sammy Jo if they'd kept her)
The only solid characters were Sable and the utterly wasted Constance.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 305||03/05/2016|
oops ....meant unmemorable, not unforgettable.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 306||03/05/2016|
Yes r305, we already established that both shows had characters who fell into a trope. Your argument holds no water. The trope may have been the same but that doesn't mean the characters played out the exact same storylines.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 307||03/05/2016|
They should have made Bliss a drunken, drugged out, hot mess of a whore. She could have been fun. They should have had her and her brother fucking. It would have stirred up some controversy and ratings.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 308||03/05/2016|
John James today.
O! Sweet Bird of Youth fly, fly away!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 309||03/05/2016|
I liked Bliss! And r308 that's possibly my favorite opening credit (tied with Sable tossing the spare fur coat and Fallon spinning around in sync with the galloping horse!) The whole point of Bliss' character was that she was lost in the shuffle with nothing to offer but it didn't make her vacuous, it was a source of great torment to her. Monica was a genius and Miles was the center of attention leaving Bliss out in the cold: it made her interesting to watch. In the end Bliss got her own back in a way when it was confirmed that Jason was her real father. Whatever she lacked then, at least she was a REAL Colby.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 310||03/05/2016|
Stanwyck was magnificent as Conny. Please check out Colbys, you don't know what you're missing. Don't watch it with Dynasty in mind: it's a wonderful show.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 312||03/05/2016|
It was uncomfortable though watching some give lines who couldn't breathe. They kept cutting away so she could gulp some air from her oxygen machine. You could always hear the machine gurgling in the background.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 313||03/05/2016|
Nonsense. Stanwyck still had it to the very end. I was absolutely captivated by her Colbys performance.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 314||03/05/2016|
Eagle eyed viewers will note that the set of the Colbys mansion was reused for the movies THE WAR OF THE ROSES in 1989 (who echoed Jason and Sable's marriage fallout with Michael Douglas and Kathleen Turner) and the kiddie flick CASPER from 1995.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 315||03/05/2016|
Stanwyck was superb, even though material was poor. With better story lines she would have made her character center of the entire soap.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 316||03/05/2016|
Joan Collins refused to make any crossover appearances to The Colbys, claiming loyalty to Dynasty and later went on record to blame The Colbys for Dynasty's eventual demise. Joan never struck me as a team player. Gordon and Dihann enjoyed several crossover Colbys appearences, as did John Forsythe although I'm not sure Linda Evans ever did. But Joan definitely made a stink about a show that she should have supported. I wonder if Joan ever slated Colbys with Stephanie Beacham in earshot... since Stephanie is deaf in one ear, I'm sure she has done.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 317||03/05/2016|
Dominique was more useless than Bliss.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 318||03/05/2016|
Coulda been a Colby contender ....
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 319||03/05/2016|
R317 yeah Joan should've made at least a one episode appearance when Fallon is revealed alive. When Jeff and Fallon marry on the Colbys I remember they explained Krystle (Rita her double at the time taking her place) and Alexis missed their flight or were socked in due to weather so Evans never made an appearance on the show either.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 320||03/05/2016|
When the big courtroom reveal came that Jason was Jeff's dad it would have been DELICIOUS to have Alexis fly in from Dynasty to make the big Colbys reveal, thus initiating the feud with Sable.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 321||03/05/2016|
Here is one of the key Colbys episodes, a truly brilliant piece of drama. Connie and Jeff get Adam to fly in from Dynasty with a letter to Cecil proving that Connie is of sound mound and then Adam reveals something which devastates Jeff and ultimately causes Connie to get hit by Sable's car at the end of the episode. Adam Carrington was pure evil! And so here, you have an example of how Colbys and Dynasty were so bound together, to have characters from one cause huge plot developments on the other was something that had not really been attempted before. These shows were not self contained, they were two parts of a greater whole. So when you want to claim Colbys was a Dynasty clone, just remember that the two shows shared continuous plotlines.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 322||03/05/2016|
For the love of God, Jason!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 323||03/05/2016|
It was Joan Collins' loss that she refused to make Colbys appearences, as r322 recap demonstrates, Constance says they need Alexis' help with the letters and so Alexis could have had a meddling hand in the Sable vs Constance wars and Joan could have enjoyed having Alexis mix it up with those in-fighting Californians. I mean, how many times did Alexis repeat the old "I'll destroy you Blake if it's the last thing I ever do" storyline? She should have chomped at the bit for guest appearences on Colbys and she would have got paid for doing two shows! But no, her pride got in the way.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 324||03/05/2016|
Press acclaim from the off:
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 325||03/05/2016|
Possibly the most beautiful wedding ever shot. Production values very absolutely first rate. Jaw droppingly exquisite. Close ups... perfect!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 326||03/05/2016|
If you want proof that Sable was superior to Alexis, look no further than this clip. This is Emmy worthy work from Stephanie Beacham. We join Sable after Miles has been arrested at the end of Jeff & Fallon's wedding:
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 327||03/05/2016|
One more interesting thing to consider (and it says a lot about how much TV has changed over time)--
Cancelled after two seasons, The Colbys has FOURTY-NINE episodes in syndication!
By comparison, Orphan Black is about to start its fourth season with episode 31.
How to Get Away With Murder is ending season two with what, 26 or 28 episodes total?
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 328||03/05/2016|
The Colbys just wasn't going to make it because the genre was dying. By this point even Dynasty had been pruning its branches to try to save the tree. If Colbys had been around first it would have been a far better show than Dynasty. Mostly because of the acting. If I could have waved a magic wand and made some changes I would have. I would have kept the opulence but made it a bit more gothic. Katherine Ross was way underused. I would have gone for broke and recast Fallon from the start. Emma Samms was an extremely weak link on both shows. Emma shit up every scene she was in. She would have returned to her roots. Constance would not have been a sympathetic character.......
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 329||03/05/2016|
Good points r329 but if you rewatch Constance is actually quite evil in her machinations against Sable! It's deliciously complex.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 330||03/05/2016|
How can we have got to 329 posts with only two mentions of UFOs?
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 331||03/05/2016|
I would have returned Barbara as Constance to her film noir roots. Her first major storyline would be getting away with murder. Planting evidence and manipulating an alcoholic Bliss into believing she did it. A trial would have gotten Bliss off. Then she would regain her memory she lost in a blackout and remember Constance was the killer. Thus, from then on, Constance's Achilles heel would be a weak, drunk Bliss. This show had some serious potential.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 332||03/05/2016|
Constance Colby was like Livia in I, Claudius but you had to be a very intelligent viewer to figure that out. As I stated above, she was obviously the one who orchestrated the Moldavian Massacre!
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 333||03/05/2016|
So, if we didn't R333, we're uninteligent? Unlike you?
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 334||03/05/2016|
Dynasty also had interesting second string players. Actors who were pretty to look at or who were enjoyable to hate watch. Billy Campbell as the ill fated Luke, and Catherine Oxenberg as the former, Ali MacGraw and Kathleen Beller as the latter. Agreed that Sable was the best part of The Colbys. Would original choice Burt Lancaaster as Jason made it better?
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 335||03/05/2016|
Nail on the head r334. As I said, Colbys was a show for the thinking soap fan. Dynasty by Season 6 was just playing dress up: form without content. Colbys was firing on all cylinders but feeble minded people seem to want to rewrite history by saying it was a stone around Dynasty's neck. DYNASTY was the embarrassment by the time Colbys came about. That Moldavian Massacre was completely botched. Colbys took all that had been good about Dynasty and made a finer, richer show. I won't be contested on this, facts are facts. If any of you cunts have an issue with this post, come at me. I'll tear you a new one.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 336||03/05/2016|
Dynasty should have ended with the entire cast dying at the Moldavian Massacre. And then The Colbys would have debuted with the new characters dealing with the fallout of this atrocity, with Constance Colby eventually being revealed as the mastermind. It would have been absolutely magnificent. Dynasty going out at the top of its game, Colbys bursting right out of the gate with a fantastic premise.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 337||03/05/2016|
R336 is fussy and petulent. Let's leave her to herself until she can play nicely with the other children.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 338||03/05/2016|
Doing my best 'Alexis', darlings....
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 339||03/05/2016|
The Queen flunks because it doesn't say DIE-nesty....it says Dynasty.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 340||03/05/2016|
Is r339 Elizabeth Taylor's failed audition for Alexis?
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 341||03/05/2016|
I blocked it at the first sign of lunacy, r338.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 342||03/05/2016|
I don't know if this was already posted but some of the cast did interviews for the DVD release. Love Stephanie's Stanwyck impression: "I WANT THOSE CHILDREN BACK ON THE SET!"
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 343||03/05/2016|
Lovely reminiscences, R343! Thanks.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 344||03/05/2016|
Just started Season Two. Connie went down in a plane over India. The lioness Sable won, darlings.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 345||03/06/2016|
I find this Sable and Jason scene from Season 2 kind of adorable, especially when she talks about "needing to have you deep inside me" - I love the rapport between Heston and Beacham.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 346||03/07/2016|
Compare Emma to Pamela Sue on Emma's Twitter and watch her head explode.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 348||03/10/2016|
Stephanie has been raped. Or was raped. Anyway, she was rape raped she now says.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 349||03/12/2016|
Jason, forgive me, I could not go on lying for you. @ 4:00
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 350||03/12/2016|
Compare Emma in a teddy and Pamela Sue in a teddy and see what explodes. Emma could almost make me go straight.
Fallon vs. Sammi Jo:
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 351||03/13/2016|
[quote] Tori Spelling suggested Emma Samms to her father after seeing her on General Hospital.
That explains it all.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 352||03/13/2016|
It's not that I don't like Emma Samms it's just that she wasn't good for Fallon.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 353||03/14/2016|
She did better when they spiced Fallon up again in that last season but she was never suited to the part when Pamela Sue Martin had made such a distinct impression. They could have gone on casting Amanda's until the end of time if wanted but Fallon was fairly indelible and it would have taken an actress of some talent, physical similarity and consistent characterization to pull off the switch. Emma Samms is fine but it was a tall task for her on a lot of levels. I remember finding her quite sweet on General Hospital a thousand years ago,
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 354||03/18/2016|
Emma should have been cast as Sable's girl Monica and Tracy Scoggins given Fallon.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 355||03/18/2016|
Emma was very good on GH, as Holly.
To this day it makes me smile to remember her and Tristan Rogers in scenes together, Brit and Aussie, and have her start a sentence with "Oh, Rubbut."
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 356||03/18/2016|
Deborah Adair would have been a great recast as Fallon....
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 357||03/19/2016|
If they were going to pick a GH actress for Fallon, why not Finola Hughes? At least she and PSM had the same type of physique.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 358||03/19/2016|
Hughes looks like a linebacker compared to Martin.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 359||03/21/2016|
Ewwww, R357! Really? Adair's dinner theatre Scarlett O'Hara turn as Tracy Kendall was bad enough, and you would want her as Fallon?
That would have been interesting, R358. She and Michael Praed(Prince Michael)were a couple at the time.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 360||03/22/2016|
inola Hughes teeth were to ugly.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 361||03/22/2016|
The Colbys made me realize how gay I truly was. I wanted to be regal and bitchy like Sable, but with Monica's knockers and a name like Bliss. I also found myself gleefully waiting for Miles to come out of the pool in a speedo, or to pull his shirt off after a game of tennis. The things a young closeted teen was imagining doing to Maxwell Caulfield's body should never be put into print. But wait, this thread was about Why Did The Colbys FAIL? I would go with 1. Katharine Ross as Frankie (worst acting in TV history) 2. Emma Samms recast as Fallon (Worst recast in TV history) 3. Too much Jeff... not enough Bliss (I mean, would it have killed the producers to let Bliss interact with her family more? to be naked with Charles Van Eman or Adrian Paul more??) 4. Too much Jason ... not enough Sable (could there ever BE enough Sable???) 5. Thursday night time slot against NBC's Cheers. (Was ABC on drugs?)
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 362||06/26/2016|
A top heavy cast was one of the problems with The Colbys. Was the Bliss character even necessary? Nope.
|by Lindsay Blaisdell||reply 363||06/26/2016|