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WTF? SI model Kate Upton is criticized for being fat now?

She is in no way, shape or form fat. I guess women are now supposed to look like rulers.

by Anonymousreply 17505/26/2015

She's considered to be 15-20 lbs overweight. Yeah, it's unbelievable but at this point in life, nothing surprises me anymore. Some people just aren't satisfied unless women look like skeletons.

by Anonymousreply 102/14/2013

The hip hop men's magazines have revolutionized the image of the female shape - ever notice some of those covers ? OMG

by Anonymousreply 202/14/2013

I thought Victoria's Secret/swimsuit models were supposed to look like that? It's not like she does runway for Balenciaga, is it?

by Anonymousreply 302/14/2013

I blame Kiiera Knightly's skeletor frame. The Dachau look.

by Anonymousreply 402/14/2013

Remember the supermodels of the '80s/early '90s? Cindy Crawford, Naomi Campbell, and Claudia Schiffer were definitely not stick-and-bones, but they had firm and defined bodies -- almost like Amazons. Work-out videos were all the rage as women scrambled to get fit and "buns of steel." But then Kate Moss arrived on the scene and the so-called heroin chic look was in.

by Anonymousreply 602/14/2013

I have to admit that her looks looked chunky on David Letterman. She looked like an Amazon woman in an unflattering way.

by Anonymousreply 702/14/2013

I mean to say that her LEGS looked chunky.

by Anonymousreply 802/14/2013

Grinning at r5.

This isn't for a student candidate's portfolio for admission to Parson's School of Design.

It's Sports Illustrated, the mainstream sports bible for straight guys. Large boobs, a baby-got-back ass and curves are required.

by Anonymousreply 902/14/2013

The micro-bikini is doing her no favors.

She'd look so much better in a one-piece.

by Anonymousreply 1102/14/2013

Her torso is gross. No, she's not fat, but she's shapeless. I don't find her sexy at all.

by Anonymousreply 1202/14/2013

I think shes gorgeous.

by Anonymousreply 1302/14/2013

Please. This is a false controversy to cause buzz.

Have you never heard of PR campaigns?

by Anonymousreply 1402/14/2013

She's a fuckin' tractor-sized hippo, for Christ's sake!

by Anonymousreply 1502/14/2013

Um, WHAT THE FUCK?

Is she supposed to look "curvy" and 15-20 lbs overweight in the photos at the link??? Because if so, that is another whole level of insane to anything I've ever seen before. She's not even "curvy"; she's skinny.

And who exactly is supposed to be making these "criticisms"? There seems to be some reference to generic criticism but no actual quoted source.

Anyone who says that girl is too fat is mentally ill.

by Anonymousreply 1602/14/2013

It's much ado about nothing. If you click on the link in the OP's article, there are no specific criticisms cited from anyone, just a reference to her responding to criticisms and quotes from some other models.

by Anonymousreply 1702/14/2013

She's not fat but has a god awful shape.

He mid section is square, no waist. Just a rectangle with big boobs.

She needs to tone up or corset train. The hourglass look is ideal and she's far from it.

But no not fat.

by Anonymousreply 1802/14/2013

I'm sticking my fingers down my throat as I type.

by Anonymousreply 2002/14/2013

She does have a weird shape. Her waistline sits really high.

by Anonymousreply 2102/14/2013

I have heard criticism about how the strings on her bikini bottom seem to cut into her flesh. I don't think her stomach area is very attractive, either.

by Anonymousreply 2202/14/2013

For a model, she is. I don't really understand how she rose to this level of accomplishment, not necessarily because of her weight but because I don't see how she's sexy and "desirable." I think she oozes average, try-hard high school girl.

by Anonymousreply 2302/14/2013

She's got real tits. They hang. People aren't used to seeing big old squishy titties anymore.

by Anonymousreply 2402/14/2013

New pic of Kate Upton

by Anonymousreply 2602/14/2013

wow the Kate Upton publicity machine is in full swing right now.

by Anonymousreply 2902/14/2013

R29, The "average" thing is not about her looks; it's about what she exudes to me.

If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, why say so?

by Anonymousreply 3002/14/2013

She shouldn't be criticized for being (so called) fat. She's isn't. She should be criticized for being an attention whore. She is in the tabloids every single day. She would attend and does attend the opening of an envelope

by Anonymousreply 3102/14/2013

Manufactured controversy. There's so much pron out there that SI doesn't sell enough swimsuit issues anymore.

by Anonymousreply 3202/14/2013

She isn't just a sports illustrated type though which makes her a bit more unusual. Not sure if she has done much runway but she has been in high end magazines (pretty sure she has done a couple of vogue shoots).

To be honest i didn't like the latest SI photos as I thought they were even tackier than usual, but then I am not the target audience. She looked good in the vogue shoot

by Anonymousreply 3302/14/2013

What R24 said. That's exactly what it is.

by Anonymousreply 3402/14/2013

She is fat for being in the SI swimsuit edition. Look at the old SI girls: Elle, Paulina, Carol Alt. If she were in a Dove soap ad she would be perfect. Everyone can say "in the real world she wouldn't be fat" and that's true, but this isn't the real world, it's modeling. If someone is getting paid millions a year then they can work out and maintain the look. Flight attendants have to maintain a certain weight and they certainly aren't paid millions for it. If you cash in on your looks be prepared for people to trash talk you otherwise get a different career.

by Anonymousreply 3502/14/2013

She does have an odd midsection:

by Anonymousreply 3602/14/2013

R24, Not all "big tits" are squishy but at least they're not rock hard like the fake ones. Every woman's breasts are slightly different in shape, position, firmness, etc. That's one of the reasons females are so individually beautiful, despite the media bias towards totally unrealistic "perfection." Kudos to the mags, initially aimed at Blacks and Hispanics, that champion diversification in the female form. Big Booty anyone?

by Anonymousreply 3702/14/2013

If you're not underweight you're fat. That's how some people see it these days.

by Anonymousreply 3902/14/2013

Hot!

by Anonymousreply 4002/14/2013

Upton IS fat. She's a sow and has no business calling herself a model. She's also extremely average looking. The straight guys I know all think she's chunky and "meh".

by Anonymousreply 4102/14/2013

I've NEVER heard anyone criticize her for being fat. I have heard people criticize her for not being curvy/hourglass.

The girl is short waisted, big titties w/ no hips or ass. Her body is not shaped to do swimsuit work b/c she's not hourglass. She's not emaciated thus she isn't going to be modeling fashionable clothes.

She's has an okay face but her body is what we see now with girls who have no waist and lack toned ass/thighs and who only care about having big ole tits. Having tits doesn't mean a woman is curvy, it just means she has a rack.

Upton has great boobs but the rest of her body is nothing special. Maybe she's fucking someone to get these covers and whatnot. Any Victoria Secret or Boston Proper model with have a better body.

by Anonymousreply 4202/14/2013

"I thought Victoria's Secret/swimsuit models were supposed to look like that?"

No, a lingerie model is supposed to be emaciated, with waist that's noticeably narrower than her hips, and fake tits.

by Anonymousreply 4302/14/2013

R43, Who is dictating those awful standards for females? It's lingerie not high fashion.

by Anonymousreply 4402/14/2013

The thing is women are supposed to be curvy. I've heard many people call people like Jlo, Jennifer Love Hewitt, and Beyonce fat. It's bizarre because evolutionarily speaking, women are supposed to have bodies like that. Women are not supposed to be stick figures. Outside of the warped Western world, the three women I mentioned would be much more desirable than a stick figure Kate Moss. Anyhow, Kate Upton doesn't have a nice body shape; it's too square.

by Anonymousreply 4602/14/2013

I love how gay men speculate what sort of women straight guys like.

Girls, let me tell you, straight men like holes. As long as it has a hole to stick his dick in, he's happy.

Women and gay men are concerned about body size, shape and fat. Straight men don't give a shit as long as there's a hole to fuck.

by Anonymousreply 4702/14/2013

that's true, R47

by Anonymousreply 4802/14/2013

Yeah, I agree with R47. Straight men don't give a fuck about looks or body size, it's all about the hole. Straight men would be all over this chick in the pic. It's all about holes you morons.

by Anonymousreply 4902/14/2013

She's not fat or chubby, but she is Amazonian in shape. I'm glad that SI is showing at least a little diversity in body types.

by Anonymousreply 5002/14/2013

Fat? FAT!?

She may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, and fat, but she is *not* a porn star!

by Anonymousreply 5202/14/2013

New pics

by Anonymousreply 5302/14/2013

Most of the guys I know fetishize asian women. They adore females with the bodies of adolescent boys. No breasts, no ass, no shape AT ALL.

Personally I don't get it, but it's what I observe.

by Anonymousreply 5402/14/2013

She isn't fat, but she has no shape or a behind. Her torso is so long and it has no defined waist. If she didn't have blonde hair(and big boobs), no one would be gushing over her. That is not to say she isn't cute facially.

All of this fat stuff is just a PR ruse, as was mentioned earlier in this thread. This chick has the strangest body south of her boobs.

by Anonymousreply 5502/14/2013

It's not that strange of a body. I've seen many women who are full in the boobs and then are straight down below that.

by Anonymousreply 5602/14/2013

R54, Not all straight men have the same ideal type of fantasy women.

by Anonymousreply 5702/14/2013

That's why I said "most of the guys I know", R57.

Dipshit.

by Anonymousreply 5802/14/2013

Well, she *is* a little chunky. TMZ leaked her SI cover shoot back in December and have pics that are not photoshopped (click the "Click to See More Photos"). On the SI cover she looks great, but without photoshop.. well.. She has absolutely no waist at all.

by Anonymousreply 5902/14/2013

She looks fine to me.

by Anonymousreply 6002/14/2013

[quote]Most of the guys I know fetishize asian women. They adore females with the bodies of adolescent boys.

Is it that they fetishize the figures of adolescent boys...

...or the figures of prepubescent girls?

Based on my straight male friends, and a few straight male friends I grew up around, I would much sooner suspect the latter.

by Anonymousreply 6202/14/2013

She looks fine, but I have a hard time feeling "sympathy" for her for being criticized by nameless faces on the internet. Shes making bank on her looks, who cares if some people dont like her body? Are we all forced to love her and lavish her with praise? Seems like a pr move, women especially fall for this since most of them are insecure with their bodies.

by Anonymousreply 6302/14/2013

I regret to say this is a result of the prominent voice gay men have in the fashion arts designing for their ideal figure, which is the body of a 12 year old boy. Fashion was never about women but about little boy bodies.

by Anonymousreply 6402/14/2013

Speaking of odd looking and anorexic models, why all the hoopla over Karlie Kloss? She too skinny and not very pretty.

I was shocked to hear that she was American, from some flyover state no less!

Kloss looks like one of those Chinese/Russian mix models.

by Anonymousreply 6502/14/2013

Karlie Kloss is alright. SHe looks pretty good in some pictures. I like her better than the Upton person.

by Anonymousreply 6602/14/2013

R64, I thought that fashion was designed to sell clothes. Most tall, skinny girls I know look good in almost anything, so they feel that they don't need to spend as much money as other ladies with "figure problems" to disguise.

by Anonymousreply 6702/14/2013

Here she is with some other models: Is she the hottest?

by Anonymousreply 6802/15/2013

Her face is highly highly attractive. Body is still very good. It's hilarious how vicious women and gay men can be regarding a woman's appearance considering they are not the one's fucking these women anyways.

by Anonymousreply 6902/15/2013

Anne V is the prettiest supermodel around right now. Not chunky with thunder thighs like Kate Upton but not too skinny either. Cute face too.

by Anonymousreply 7002/16/2013

Yeah, fatso Kate is so chunky and shapeless. I guess that's why straight guys all over the planet are jacking off to her "Cat Daddy" video.

by Anonymousreply 7102/16/2013

oh shut up, r71. someone can still be chunky and desirable. you act like they're mutually exclusive. kate is chunky. get over it.

by Anonymousreply 7202/16/2013

Anne V does have a nice slim, but not scrawny, body.

by Anonymousreply 7302/16/2013

I think R71 was being sarcastic.

by Anonymousreply 7402/16/2013

Video of Kate

by Anonymousreply 7502/16/2013

I know R71 was being sarcastic AND super defensive. R71 acts like Kate being chunky is a barrier to her being desirable.

by Anonymousreply 7602/16/2013

You seem to have taken my post more seriously than was intended, r76. Certainly it is very possible to be simultaneously "chunky and desirable," but Kate doesn't look the slightest bit fat to me, especially in the video I jokingly posted.

Insist that she's chunky if you like, but not everyone agrees with that assessment.

by Anonymousreply 7702/17/2013

In another 10 years the world will probably in famine...let's enjoy the fat while we have it.

by Anonymousreply 7802/17/2013

She's a good 15 lbs more than other models...refreshing.

by Anonymousreply 7902/18/2013

What was Adam Levine thinking cheating on Anne? Fucking idiot.

by Anonymousreply 8002/18/2013

Katherine Webb is no twig either & I think she's prettier than Kate.

by Anonymousreply 8102/22/2013

"The 70's and 80's are over. No more skinny, attractive "stewardesses."

Most women these days strive to have a real career instead of working as a trolley dolly.

by Anonymousreply 8202/22/2013

On Fallon

by Anonymousreply 8302/26/2013

Vogue baby

by Anonymousreply 8405/11/2013

She's got a Sofia Loren kinda body. Smoking!!! I can guarantee you that most het men are watering at the mouth.

by Anonymousreply 8505/11/2013

Similar, though I think Sofia had a little more of an ass.

by Anonymousreply 8605/11/2013

She looks gorgeous here, if a little plump.

by Anonymousreply 8706/07/2013

Kate in a Vogue Brazil shoot.

by Anonymousreply 8806/27/2013

ate Upton waves an onlookers as she arrives at LAX Airport on Friday (August 30) in Los Angeles.

The 21-year-old model was just named as the Model of the Year by the 10th Annual Style Awards, according to the Huffington Post.

by Anonymousreply 8909/01/2013

She's lost some weight.

by Anonymousreply 9009/07/2013

R90 Black is slimming.

by Anonymousreply 9109/07/2013

she looks well-fed, confident, rested. she's charismatic. every guy I know thinks she's a goddess.

by Anonymousreply 9209/07/2013

I like this red dress on her.

by Anonymousreply 9309/21/2013

r93, she does look great. that's what a woman is supposed to look like.

by Anonymousreply 9409/24/2013

Seriously...why would any gay man outside of the fashion industry even CARE about what a woman's body looks like?

by Anonymousreply 9509/24/2013

Poor taste in clothes

by Anonymousreply 9611/07/2013

Wow r87, Cameron Diaz looks 30 years older than her in that photo.

by Anonymousreply 9711/07/2013

R97, Cameron is about 20 years older than Kate.

by Anonymousreply 9811/07/2013

She says she wants smaller boobs but is proud of her size.

by Anonymousreply 9904/13/2014

Face it, bitch needs to workout that body or she's gonna look like Anna Nicole (and not the hot Anna Nicole) sooner rather than later. She has absolutely no definition (ditto for that schlub of a boyfriend, too).

by Anonymousreply 10007/16/2014

She's a lard-ass. She's always been a lard-ass.

by Anonymousreply 10207/16/2014

She's getting ready to play Adele in the biopic.

by Anonymousreply 10307/16/2014

Both Kate and her partner could trim up.

by Anonymousreply 10407/17/2014

For someone in her early 20's, yes, she's got a weight problem. So does her boyfriend, to be honest. I don't really care, as long as they leave me out of the babymaking activities entirely.

by Anonymousreply 10507/17/2014

If she were not a model, there would not be much comment on her weight.

by Anonymousreply 10607/17/2014

Got to say she looks good in skinnies.

by Anonymousreply 10708/02/2014

R101, you understand that those things you find gross are precisely what has made her famous, right?

by Anonymousreply 10808/02/2014

Kate and Justin do the ice bucket challenge. Just looks like he's dropped a few. Kate looks as voluptuous as ever.

by Anonymousreply 10908/23/2014

Unlike Anna Nicole, another very voluptuous blond, Kate doesn't have a waistline. She looks like a block with big boobs.

By modeling standards, Anna, too, was considered 'big'; but what saved her figure was her defined waistline.

by Anonymousreply 11008/24/2014

A straight guy would much rather fuck a curvy body like hers than some stack of bones like Kiera Knightly.

by Anonymousreply 11108/24/2014

R110 - Anna Nicole got a lot heavier than Kate. She also was much dumber than Kate and had other problems.

by Anonymousreply 11208/24/2014

They were cute together in the challenge.

by Anonymousreply 11308/25/2014

[You do realize that this is a troll, right? It does not believe what it posts. It just craves attention. You might want to stop talking to it.]

by Anonymousreply 11408/25/2014

Never cared for her look and the weight has nothing to so with it. She looks like a chipmunk to me. In 2 years it will be Kate who? She is not one of the faces that will have a long modeling career.

by Anonymousreply 11508/25/2014

R114 - Not as dumb as Anna Nicole.

by Anonymousreply 11608/25/2014

A box of hair isn't as dumb as Anna Nicole. Kate isn't white trash, and she never married a 90 year old on life-support. That alone puts her in an altogether higher category.

by Anonymousreply 11708/25/2014

I think Kate will transition more into acting.

by Anonymousreply 11808/25/2014

She makes 7 million modeling.

by Anonymousreply 11908/28/2014

Based om the leaked pics, they both could lose a few.

by Anonymousreply 12008/31/2014

Her partner has a bigger ass than she does.

by Anonymousreply 12108/31/2014

She's exactly how a woman should look. I adore her. And I'll bet she's smarter than she looks. Get a few mojitos in her and I'll bet she'd DISH.

by Anonymousreply 12208/31/2014

Michael Sam be like "Justin Verlander's nudes got leaked!!"

by Anonymousreply 12308/31/2014

Verlander has a really nice ass. Upton's body is so weirdly proportioned, though. Enormous tits and nothing going on besides that.

by Anonymousreply 12408/31/2014

R122 - I bet she is fun when she's had a few.

by Anonymousreply 12508/31/2014

Well, looks like a WOMAN!

by Anonymousreply 12609/01/2014

My God, that woman has magnificent boobs! And a lovely soft body, and blonde hair, and she likes dick. She's a straight man's ideal woman, and they'll worship her forever!

Or until she turns thirty.

by Anonymousreply 12709/01/2014

R126 did you throw that Dickinson there as an Easter egg?

by Anonymousreply 12809/01/2014

She should just choke on a dick as we all love to be lol

by Anonymousreply 12909/01/2014

What size is she?

by Anonymousreply 13009/01/2014

R130, about an 8.

by Anonymousreply 13109/01/2014

Probably not overweight by BMI.

by Anonymousreply 13309/01/2014

Justin's got a better ass than her. Too bad about the pencil dick though.

by Anonymousreply 13409/01/2014

Justin probably is more overweight than she is.

by Anonymousreply 13509/01/2014

Why is it that unless a girl is anorexic, she's obese?

by Anonymousreply 13609/02/2014

Upton has said that her belief in God is important to her. During a photo shoot, someone joked about a cross necklace she wore, "Why are you wearing a cross? Like you would be religious," then took the necklace from her to do the shoot. Upton stated about the incident: "I was really affected by that. The whole thing made me realize that I do want a cross with me, at all times." As a result, Upton had a cross tattooed on the inside of her finger.[33][51]

by Anonymousreply 13709/02/2014

R136, because some gay men and many hetero women are jealous cunts. She's a beautiful girl. Her waist may be a little wide, but her body is still great.

by Anonymousreply 13809/02/2014

She looks chunky here.

by Anonymousreply 13910/27/2014

She has a horrible shape, but she is not overweight.

by Anonymousreply 14010/27/2014

[quote]As a result, Upton had a cross tattooed on the inside of her finger

Thanks goodness it wasn't on her back, where Justin photographed his spooge.

by Anonymousreply 14110/27/2014

Justin looks trimmer.

by Anonymousreply 14210/27/2014

Is she pregnant?

by Anonymousreply 14311/03/2014

She's not fat; just shaped like spongebob.

by Anonymousreply 14411/03/2014

Bitch is a chunklord.

by Anonymousreply 14511/03/2014

She has been gaining weight.

by Anonymousreply 14611/03/2014

Don't like the outfit.

by Anonymousreply 14711/13/2014

Supermodel Kate Upton stars as a very sexy Athena in a new campaign for the game app “Game of War: Fire Age.”

Adweek writes that Kate, 22, will star in three commercials for the game. “Come and play with me,” she says in the first commercial.

Some fans aren’t too happy with Kate’s spot in the campaign, with some gamers complaining that she might not actually play the game herself (“Fake Gamer Girl” much?).

MORE: Kate Upton Switches Modeling Agencies

Fansided published a piece titled “Does Anyone Think Kate Upton Has Actually Played ‘Game Of War: Fire Age’?” which reads, “So yes, Machine Zone can pay Upton. And she’s apparently in the game as an NPC of some sort. My question is has she ever played Game of War? We know that athletes like Clash of Clans, and I buy it when celebs pop up endorsing World of Warcraft on TV, but something makes me think that Upton has never tried the game she’s asking us to ‘come and play with me.’”

Kate told Adweek that she does play the game.

"It is fantastic to be instrumental in the start of a new era in gaming and communications," she said.

by Anonymousreply 14811/21/2014

Chubby

by Anonymousreply 14911/22/2014

Worked with her. She's a size 8 and is gorgeous. Yes,a size 8 looks huge in comparison too all the tiny size 0/2 actresses. Plus she's tall.

by Anonymousreply 15011/22/2014

She might have been an 8, but she's gained recently.

by Anonymousreply 15111/22/2014

she is chunky no doubt about it

by Anonymousreply 15211/22/2014

R151, she was a size 8 as of a month ago. A designer 8, not a vanity sized 8. Her natural tits are massive though, and I had her in SPANX to get more of a waist :)

by Anonymousreply 15311/24/2014

You dressed her, R153?

by Anonymousreply 15411/24/2014

Do you know her bra size R153?

by Anonymousreply 15511/24/2014

Porker Paradise, that one.

by Anonymousreply 15611/24/2014

She plays Greek goddess Athena in brand new game franchise, Game Of War: Fire Age and Hollywood actress Kate Upton looks sexy in a new trailer.

The 22-year-old can be seen charging forward on a horse during a battle scene, in which she showcases her ample assets in a eye-catching ensemble.

Dressed head to toe in period costume, Kate looks incredible in a plunging silver corset which has a dramatic shoulder detail during one of three upcoming commercials.

by Anonymousreply 15712/08/2014

I don't think she's fat, just shaped like a payphone booth.

by Anonymousreply 15812/08/2014

Not fat, but she could lose some weight.

by Anonymousreply 15912/09/2014

She covered the iconic Sports Illustrated Swimsuit edition in both 2012 and 2013.

And buxom beauty Kate Upton showed the magazine's brand new cover girl Hannah Davis how it's really done by posing for a sexy photoshoot of her own.

The 22 year-old model goes topless in the black-and-white image, which esteemed photographer Sebastian Faena shared on Instagram.

by Anonymousreply 16002/12/2015

I like this look.

by Anonymousreply 16102/25/2015

She pulls off the casual look better than she does most of her event outfits.

by Anonymousreply 16203/05/2015

:Kate Upton has one of the best bodies in the world.

The blonde supermodel's curves are so jaw-dropping that if you found yourself on the same beach as her, it would be tough not to gawp, no matter what sex you were.

But as you reach for your afternoon chocolate hobnob, rest assured that the 22 year old, who wears a US size 8 (UK size 12), is on an extremely strict diet and exercise regime to achieve that look."

LOL

by Anonymousreply 16304/23/2015

She has no waist!

by Anonymousreply 16404/23/2015

She is disgusting. Flat ass, no waist to hip ratio. She looks like she shohld be curvy but she's just thick. This woman is no Marylin.

by Anonymousreply 16504/23/2015

She has boobs.

by Anonymousreply 16604/23/2015

She has great tits and a pretty face but, yes, her body has a very weird shape with no defined waist.

by Anonymousreply 16704/24/2015

Why does the media keep trying to make her body happen?

by Anonymousreply 16804/24/2015

R163 She's a pretty young lady, but that article is hilarious. Bullshit that she follows any strict diet.

She cuts out everything, is supposedly active, and she still has no muscle tone? She must have a really shitty metabolism.

by Anonymousreply 16904/24/2015

She is a cunt. A guy wanted her autograph for the SI cover and she was a cunt to him. This man owns the most signed SI covers, I can't remember his name but he said she was one of the worst he has ever met.

by Anonymousreply 17004/24/2015

R169 - I agree with that. She probably eats a lot of carbs.

by Anonymousreply 17104/24/2015

She's in a movie with William H Macy.

by Anonymousreply 17205/14/2015

If anything, she's gaining weight.

by Anonymousreply 17305/23/2015

OP= fattie

by Anonymousreply 17405/23/2015

More pics from The Layover

by Anonymousreply 17505/26/2015
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