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Clark Gable

Opinions on his career or personal life? Just watched "It Happened One Night" and he was so brilliant and sexy!

by You Made Me Love Youreply 16405/17/2015

Love him.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 102/09/2013

dabbled in the homo sex.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 202/09/2013

Wore clothes well. He LOOKED like a fit dude when dressed,but when producers had him take his shirt off for a Taran screen test they were disappointed. He just didnt have the build. Johnny Wiessmuller (sp) got the gig.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 302/09/2013

I read that he was quite neglectful about oral hygeine and eventually had to wear dentures. I can't imagine doing kissing scenes with someone like that. Also read in one of Joan Crawford's biographies that he wasn't averse to getting the occasional blow job from another man. Apparently he was friends with Franklin Roosevelt as he sometimes visited him in the White House.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 402/09/2013

Beautiful coloring.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 502/09/2013

The legend is he dabbled in the homo sex to get ahead when he was starting out but was homophobic (whether he got Cukor fired from GWTW is still debated -- Cukor allegedly knew about Gable's casting couch work and Gable resented him for it -- but I think it's more likely that Selznick thought Cukor was taking too much time and wanted somebody he could control).

He was the "image" of masculinity in the 1930s, but I think his look is rather unappealing. He was an ok actor -- he's fine in "It Happened One Night" but his best performance was his last, in "The Misfits."

by You Made Me Love Youreply 602/09/2013

Carole Lombard cracked, "Gable's no Gable..."

by You Made Me Love Youreply 702/09/2013

He NEVER dabbled in gay sex.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 802/09/2013

I heard he was a dud in bed. Prefered to sleep with hookers. I recently saw IHON and I loved it too OP.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 902/09/2013

When the drunken reporters are escorting the even drunker Gable through the bus station, he looks so goofy he's adorable.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 1002/09/2013

True love was Carole Lombard. She died in that famous plane crash trying to get back to Clark from a war bond tour. She was jealous of Lana Turner, who was starring with Clark in the ironically entitled "Somewhere I'll Find You."

Had false teeth.

Was the King of Hollywood.

Married an older woman, Rhia Langham, who helped him with his career.

Didn't get along with George Cukor on set of Gone With the Wind because Cukor, gay, knew he had furthered his career years before by way of the male casting couch. Allegedly made him uncomfortable with Cukor so he had him replaced with macho director Victor Fleming. Folklore, anyway. More likely that Cukor was a "womens' director" and paid more attention to them. Gable was insecure as hell over his portrayal of Rhett Butler, thinking that he could not live up to America's expectations. He did not want a director who was not in his corner.

Had big affair with Joan Crawford that lasted many years, off and on.

Went off to war and said he "didn't care if he died" since he had lost Carole. First film after war, Adventure, was with Greer Garson. Slogan: "Gable's back and Garson's got him."

Did his own stunts in The Misfits and was exasperated over Marilyn Monroe's tardiness. Stress of it all brought on fatal heart attack.

Only son, John Clark Gable was born after his death to his widow, Kay Spreckles, who vaguely resembled Carole Lombard.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 1102/09/2013

Check him out in Dancing Lady with Joan Crawford and Red Dust with Jean Harlow. He's still quite young in those wonderful films and impossibly hot.

For me, he lost had lost his sex appeal before the 1930s were over, including as Rhett Butler.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 1202/09/2013

Yes It's true. CL wouldn't have died had she not been so obsessed over a man.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 1302/09/2013

Bullshit, Gable smoked two packs of unfiltered cigarettes a day, had an unhealthy diet, and a young wife he was probably fucking day and night, and would regularly hit the casinos in Reno. The "stress" of working with Marilyn was nothing, he knew she'd be late and his contract paid him $10,000 PER DAY 1960 money for every day over schedule.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 1402/09/2013

Don't forget the bastard child he had with Loretta Young, R11.

I believe Lombard also joked that if Gable was an inch shorter (where it matters), he'd be the queen of Hollywood.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 1502/09/2013

No R14, He did have stress due to Marilyn tardiness and retakes. She was out of it. His lifestyle certainly did help but neither did MM.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 1602/09/2013

If it was one inch shorter,he'd be queen of Hollywood!

by You Made Me Love Youreply 1702/09/2013

Although not bad looking, he somehow doesn't strike the sexual nerve with me as he apparently had with others, especially in the 1930s. R11, are you sure you aren't thinking of Josephine Dillon? I believe she was his first wife but married him more to promote him in the movies; I think she had something to do with training actors in Hollywood; why she married him one can't understand. Supposedly she did alot to smooth his rough edges--he had done a variety of jobs while also doing stock, including being a roustabout in the oil fields in Oklahoma. Read somewhere that while filming "The Misfits" he jokingly told Marilyn Monroe that if she continued being late for the set he would put her over his knee and spank her. Supposedly she found this not a bad offer. I thought he and Montgomery Clift had a great rappore/chemistry in that movie but as movies go it seemed rather tepid, something Arthur Miller turned out so Marilyn could freak out in every other scene. Interesting to note that Clark Gable (d. 1960), Marilyn Monroe (d. 1962) and Montgomery Clift (d. 1965) all were dead within 5 years of making that movie.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 1902/09/2013

No insurance company underwriting the production of any film in those days would have allowed Gable to do his own stunts.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 2002/09/2013

Gable was a gentleman and would not say unkind things about another star to the media. One can "admire" a star and still be stressed all to hell by his/her behavior. George Cukor understood Garland's genius, for instance, but vowed never to work with her again after ASIB. William Wyler adored Bette Davis and directed some of the best work out of her. Had an affair with her, even. After Mr. Skeffington? DONE. He could not take her ego anymore. It is well documented that Clark Gable was patient and kind to MM during the shoot. But the incessant waiting, waiting, waiting in that hot Nevada sun was a major stresser. Sitting around doing nothing took a toll. It might not have been THE thing that brought on his heart attack but she sure didn't help things. It was a difficult shoot at best, made MORE difficult by MM and Montgomery Clift's mental problems.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 2102/09/2013

Correction: Montgomery Clift died 1966.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 2202/09/2013

"When the drunken reporters are escorting the even drunker Gable through the bus station, he looks so goofy he's adorable."

I love that scene. It's injured pride and soldiering on and a bunch of other things I don't know how to describe but it made me realize what a great actor he was. My favorite scene in the movie; I like it much better than the famous how-to-undress one.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 2302/09/2013

He was not exasperated with Marilyn Monroe during The Misfits. He was calm, patient, and supportive. If anything bored. Kept himself away a little big but he was not a exasperated man. I was there 5 days - 3 of which Clark Gable waited in the shade, on a flat bed of a big truck, on the edge of town and all the extra's milling about. Not pacing, not asking for the time. Just watching everybody else pretty much. Everybody left him alone. The one day she did show up in the afternoon, he hugged her, and made her feel welcome.

Saw it myself.

The only person who was totally exasperated was John Houston who kept yelling into his megaphone about the late Miss Monroe. And the day I saw Arthur Miller -he was nasty, snarly and treated her like a dog.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 2402/09/2013

R24 are you for real?

by You Made Me Love Youreply 2502/10/2013

I have read that he was a callboy before he made it big in Hollywood, not just doing the male casting couch. Cukor reminded him of those times and men and knew about, I guess.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 2602/10/2013

r24, I have seen your posts before. You spoke with Marilyn, too, didn't you? And said she was sweet and sad? You posted a long story about your time there watching the filming. Fascinating and poignant.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 2702/10/2013

His daughter by Loretta Young said her mom told her the first thing he said when she told him she was pregnant was, "What do you plan to do about it?". Loretta wrote the relationship off after that.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 2802/10/2013

Yes- I'm for real. I have posted about it here before. Spent two different times talking with Marilyn Monroe. (One day all by myself. I was about 11 years old.)She was wonderful to me-gave me her full attention, asked me lots of questions. It's a long story about both encounters. I remember so much of it. And I posted a nice story about Clark Gable watching me play hopscotch. He was maybe 25 feet away, up on that flatbed truck, I was down on the dirt road off to the side of him - bored and hot -when I scratched out a hopscotch in the dirt and played it. He watched me the whole time. When I was done, I looked up at him. He lifted off his straw cowboy hat and tipped it at me and grinned. Sounds silly but it was special. My mother watched the whole thing and was very tickled. It was because of her and my aunt wanting to see Clark Gable that we made this trip every day that week anyway. She never guessed that because of me she would meet Marilyn and be invited into her trailer.

I wonder if those old posts would still be here? I posted a couple different times years ago.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 2902/10/2013

Thanks Misfits Girl! What wonderful memories.

So sad that Arthur Miller was cruel to Marilyn...

by You Made Me Love Youreply 3002/10/2013

I found his contemporary William Powell MUCH more handsome, charasmatic and a FAR better actor(an even better dramatic actor despite Powell's penchant for comedies; suffice it to say, it takes a great deal of talent to effectively and effortlessly pull off a comedic performance)

by You Made Me Love Youreply 3102/10/2013

Gable and Garbo, just hanging out like two bros on a fishing trip. This was years before "Brokeback Mountain":

by You Made Me Love Youreply 3202/10/2013

It's fascinating to me how Gable was signed by MGM at the beginning of the 1930s but kept in supporting roles for the first couple of ears, mostly just playing the romantic interest of their leading ladies Garbo, Shearer and Crawford.

The bigger male stars on their roster then were the likes of William Haines and Robert Montgomery, who were far more suave and gentlemanly. Macho types played vilains (George Raft) or low comics (Wallace Beery).

Gable quickly caused a sensation with audiences as the first rugged male sex symbol, establishing that prototype for the rest of film history.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 3302/10/2013

Misfit Girl is real. She put up some of the best DL posts of all time several years ago.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 3402/10/2013

Gable caused a national sensation in It Happened One Night by removing his shirt in a scene and revealing that he did not wear an undershirt (the character, anyway.) The urban myth that undershirt sales plummeted in the country for a time after that has survived ever since, despite no actual facts to support it. He was very very popular and set THE standard for masculinity in the United States for a few decades, at least.

John Wayne did too, but he was too polarizing, too much of an extreme caricature of "manhood" for most men to relate to. Back then, Gable was "the fella you could have a beer with," that you understood, that was just one of the guys. Wayne represented some sort of male ideal of a stalwart "strong, silent" type. The fact that neither of these men could live up to these images was irrelevant. Wayne never did any military service, despite starring in many war and western pictures.

Like Cary Grant, Gable BECAME his image over the years.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 3502/10/2013

Gable is the weak link in GWTW. Leigh and Howard provided the humanity.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 3602/10/2013

R36, really? Humanity? "Oh Melly, are you HEPPY? Are you really, really HEPPY?" Leslie Howard was a bit hamfisted. He didn't even try to disquise his Brit accent and did not care for the part. He never even read the novel! He only DID the part to get his Intermezzo producing gig, which O'Selznick promised him.

Gable, although ALSO sans accent, was the ONLY choice for Rhett. America said so. Margaret Mitchell said so. O'Selznick said so. And the viewing public forgave any shortcomings he brought to the role. There were some.

He is the only one of the major players not to get any acting nods or awards, though, that is true.

He had MAJOR challenges with his crying scene, after Bonnie's death. Image "issues." After Parnell (1937), in which he played a sensitive Irishman and which bombed royally at the box office, he was terrified to play anything showing vulnerability or tenderness. He feared the public would reject him. That scene might be the only "true" scene for him in the film.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 3702/10/2013

I thought Gable did a good job of playing Rhett Butler overall, but I never thought of him as a great actor or particularly great in the part, though there were some moments. I thought he played the scenes well at the end, where he left her. He did seem tired, though the character seemed a bit too healthy looking compared to how Mitchell described his physical disintegration after the death of the child.

I also remember the first time I saw Gone with the Wind, in my teens, that he scared the shit out of me at the dining room table after Scarlett gets caught with Ashley. 'Observe my hands, my dear... I'll smash your skull between them like a walnut.'

It was the thirties. Direction had a different vibe. I'd love to see GWTW remade today as a real drama, but you couldn't because it romanticizes the Old South.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 3802/10/2013

Dear me r37 - it appears you've been brainwashed rather than form your own opinion about the performances. Howard had something called gravitas - ever heard of it?

by You Made Me Love Youreply 3902/10/2013

I remember reading that somebody said as they worked through the casting process and Katherine Hepburn was under consideration for Scarlett (to what extent I don't know): With a cast full of Hepburns and Howards we can have a lovely picture for release eight years ago.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 4002/10/2013

Dear ME, R39, opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one. Howard did okay. His stalwart gravitas is in evidence so you can stop flapping your petticoats. The backstory on him is that he hated his costumes ("Don't make me look like the fag doorman at the Beverly Wilshire") and that he had a lot of dye and spackle on him to make him appear younger. He was 48 during filming. And looked it. Gable was 37 during filming and at the height of his beauty. Leigh was 26. Howard was a marvelous actor, to be sure. But I think HE was the weakest link in the cast. And still a pretty strong weak link!

I still love the film, own it, and can talk about it for hours.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 4102/10/2013

R40, that last line is from a memo that O'Selznick sent out during the casting process. The screen tests are available on youtube.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 4202/10/2013

Howard is underrated and profound. The reality of the world is all over his face. Gable just grins like an imbecile with her sparkling white dentures. So get over it r41.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 4302/10/2013

Nothing's as much fun as when we get battling over the arcane! This thread is going all Anderson Cooper now!

by You Made Me Love Youreply 4602/10/2013

Leslie Howard was preoccupied with the coming war in Europe during shooting of GWTW. That world weariness, that depression, that sense of impending darkness and mass murder across the continent of Europe made his performance as Ashley the second most prized jewel of the film, with Vivien's fighting "tomorrow IS another day" spirit being the most life affirming and dazzling hymn to life - she simply refuses to be slain. Vivien and Leslie are the yin and yang of this film. They are absolutely magnificent.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 4702/10/2013

You can count on it r46. I am fucking sick and tired of hearing people repeat things they heard of their grandma's knee about how Gable "WAS" Rhett Butler and how Howard was "wrong" for Ashley. That hand-me-down shit ends right here. It's time people started forming their own opinions and this is mine.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 4802/10/2013

R44, I own the book. O'Selznick was an amphetamine addict and many of his memos were furiously composed while he was "up." Fascinating the intensity with which he worked, some of it genius and some of it pills. He was maddening with his attention to detail. He micromanaged GWTW to death and yet, in the end, look what he got! He quit making movies in 1948, burnt out from years of trying to top Gone With the Wind.

He only GOT Gable for Rhett after he negotiated a distribution deal with MGM. Gable did not, initially, want the part at all.

Vivien had an urgency to her performance because Larry Olivier was in New York appearing in a play and she wanted to get to him as soon as filming wrapped. She also adored Cukor and was devastated when Fleming came onboard. But he whipped the performances into shape with his authoritative style. Everyone respected him. He and Gable were buddies.

Olivia wanted Melanie BADLY but Warners would not, initially, let her jump studios at ALL. She was a $$$ for her home studio. She finagled a deal with Jack Warner to let her have the role, eventually, and she explains it all in an extra on one of the GWTW anniversary DVD editions.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 4902/10/2013

I just think O'Selznick is funny, as a sort of wink to him for changing his name and adding that phantom "O" so that he would appear "less Jewish" or "more important" or whatever. He thought it added something to his cache. So, I just make him Irish. :)

by You Made Me Love Youreply 5002/10/2013

Clark Gable was very hot in such pre codes as A Free Soul opposite Norma Shearer and Red Dust and Hold YOur Man opposite Jean Harlow. He was still roguishy charming after the code started to be enforced and up to WWII. Due to aging, the war and Lombard's death, he did lose something after WWII. And Gable could become quite disinterested when paired opposite a starchy leading lady like Greer Garson, Jeannette MacDonald or Norma Shearer in the second half of Idiot's Delight when the Widow Thalberg puts on a blonde wig and starts acting all grand.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 5102/10/2013

Judy Lewis, Gable's secret daughter with Loretta Young, looked exactly like him. There was no question Gable was her biological father. Lewis died a while back.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 5202/10/2013

^ Phew... when you say Clark Gable's daughter looks exactly like him, you don't expect an attractive woman like in the link!

by You Made Me Love Youreply 5302/10/2013

Never warmed to Gable, and never found his attractive. Gary Cooper on the other hand...

by You Made Me Love Youreply 5402/10/2013

Hepburn never deigned to screen test for Scarlett.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 5502/10/2013

Loretta had her baby Judy Lewis have surgery on her ears -she had them pinned back. Before that, all pictures of her were in a bonnet.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 5702/10/2013

His most frequent (and some would say best) costar was none other than DL Fave Joan Crawford!

by You Made Me Love Youreply 5902/10/2013

Could this thread GET any GAYER?

by You Made Me Love Youreply 6002/10/2013

I love Leslie Howard. I found out about him a few months ago. I only recently watched GWTW (I'm only 20) but I agree R41. Again, I love Leslie Howard but he was too old and the weakest link in the film.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 6102/10/2013

Supposedly he was somewhat an anti-semite but yet, he nearly bailed on attending the GWTW Atlanta premier out of protest that Hattie McDaniel and the other black cast members were excluded from the festivities.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 6202/10/2013

To be honest, Leigh, Howard and de Havilland were all too old for their parts. When the book opens, Scarlett is 16, Ashley is 17 and Melly is even younger.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 6302/10/2013

Let's see, R63, Scarlett and Melanie were supposed to age from late teens to late twenties, and were played by actresses in their twenties. Rhett was supposed to age from his early thirties to his forties, and was played by an actor in his late thirties. Ashley was supposed to age from (approximately) age twenty to thirtyish, and was played by an actor of nearly FIFTY.

Which of these things is not like the others?

by You Made Me Love Youreply 6402/10/2013

Sixty-four posts and no mention of the fact that Gable killed someone in a hit and run? I think he was drunk at the time. The studio covered it up.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 6502/10/2013

He did? Really?

by You Made Me Love Youreply 6602/10/2013

[quote]Didn't get along with George Cukor on set of Gone With the Wind because Cukor, gay, knew he had furthered his career years before by way of the male casting couch. Allegedly made him uncomfortable with Cukor so he had him replaced with macho director Victor Fleming.

In the play about the making of GWTW, "Moonlight and Magnolias," one of the characters mentions Gable and Cukor getting it on in a men's room.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 6702/10/2013

Gable was probably one of the most well-liked actors in Hollywood. He was the "King of Hollywood", but in real life he was a very unassuming man who got along well with just about everybody and was a consummate professional. A NICE guy.

Arthur Miller called him "the man who did not know how to hate."

by You Made Me Love Youreply 6802/10/2013

[quote]he was a very unassuming man who got along well with just about everybody and was a consummate professional. A NICE guy.

Except when it came to sharing. He was terminally "frugal" and never shared.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 6902/10/2013

Didn't Joan Crawford say Clark was the only man who didn't talk shit about her. Didn't kiss and tell like others tended to do.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 7002/10/2013

He was very right wing. When he died his absentee ballot was for Nixon.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 7102/10/2013

I have been reading that it was actually Billy Haines who fucked and sucked Clark in some rest room.

Cukor allegedly admitted to having some gay for pay sex with Clark too.

I also read that the real reason Clark had Cukor removed from GWTW was that Haines would be on the set from time to time visiting with his good friend Cukor and Gable was very uncomfortable with those two tricks watching him work.

Joan Crawford was asked by Merv Griffin what she remembered most about Clark and she was bleeped when she obviously said: "He had balls!"

by You Made Me Love Youreply 7202/10/2013

I'm surprised no one has yet mentioned that Gable is very sexy in Mutiny on the Bounty where his bare chest was in better shape than it was in It Happned One Night.

Supposedly, he was very unhappy about having to go without his customary mustache as Fletcher Christian as it was inappropriate for men of the 18th century. But I think he looked just fine without it.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 7302/11/2013

here's Miss Melly receiving a FIVE MINUTE standing ovation!!!!

by You Made Me Love Youreply 7402/11/2013

Dude was not a nice guy. Dude got Loretta Young pregnant and then never acknowledged his own daughter. Dude was an ASSHOLE.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 7602/11/2013

I've enjoyed some of his performances (GWTW, IHON, Red Dust, Mogambo, etc.), and he seemed to be a very personable and charismatic leading man, but he never struck me as particularly hot or sexy in the way that his contemporaries like Errol Flynn or Cary Grant did.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 7702/11/2013

r56 - it's called breeding. Some of us have retained the standards of our ancestors, others have not. Even in the gutter, manners maketh man.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 7802/11/2013

I went to high school with a Rhett Butler

by You Made Me Love Youreply 8002/11/2013

Its a shame his later films in the second half of the 50s are not better. Teachers Pet with Doris was popular and I love It Started In Naples with Sophia (30 years younger than him) and he still looked good then - but he had suddenly aged when back in America for The Misfits - a good one to go out on, by Arthur Miller and Huston. But Not For Me is also amusing in 1959 with Lilli Palmer and Carroll Baker. But like Gary Cooper he had aged a lot, no doubt all that boozing and smoking and hard living took its toll. He and Cooper were both gone by the start of the 60s.

Cary Grant and James Stewart were luckier, and healthier - working well into the 1960s and they each did 4 for Hitchcock which are always on show somewhere, so they seem more timeless stars than Gable or Cooper now. Coop's last films are very routine - westerns and a few thrillers. He is far too old with Audrey Hepburn in that Wilder misfire Love In The Afternoon, and with Suzy Parker in 10 North Frederick. Man of the West and The Hanging Tree are tough westerns, but not as good as Friendly Persuasion - his last good one in 1956. The Wreck of the Mary Deare is so-so with Heston, and The Naked Edge a dull thriller with Deborah Kerr, where he is obviously unwell.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 8102/11/2013

His work hosting "Cheaters" is stunning.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 8202/11/2013

I watched Mutiny On the Bounty a few years ago and Gable was smokin' hot in it. He was around 35ish and I think he looked better without his trademark mustache.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 8302/11/2013

[quote]Some of us have retained the standards of our ancestors

The standards of our ancestors? Like women need to stay home? Black people are for owning? Its perfectly fine to send children to work in coal mines?

by You Made Me Love Youreply 8402/11/2013

"Dude was not a nice guy. Dude got Loretta Young pregnant and then never acknowledged his own daughter. Dude was an ASSHOLE."

Dude, you are clueless. Dude, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Dude, you are an IDIOT.

Both Gable and Young knew that if it came out they had a love child their careers would be finished. So it was decided that Young would hide out in Europe for a while, have the baby, and then come back to the U.S. with her "adopted" child. No doubt both of them knew that it would be best for the child not to know the circumstances of her birth and for Gable to keep his distance, lest it be found out that he and Young were her actual parents. They both wanted to keep the affair and the child resulting from it completely under wraps and who could blame them? Back then, if something like that had gotten out they both would have been reviled and their careers destroyed. The kid would not have had an easy time of it either if she were revealed to be the bastard child of an illicit union (that's what people would have thought in those days). They did what they thought was right, under the circumstances. I can't say I blame them one bit.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 8502/11/2013

"You all need to stop praising GONE WITH THE WIND, which is second only to THE BIRTH OF A NATION in the annals of racist propaganda. It's a bad film, too. Every print should be destroyed."

Sorry to have to tell you, but GWTW will always be revered as a great film, and so will BOAN. Isn't it time you took your meds?

by You Made Me Love Youreply 8602/11/2013

R84, I'm not who you're quoting but I'd say no to the first two and yes to the third.

R66, yes - it's true. He was the "King of Hollywood" and there was no way he was going to jail or even be accused of a drunk driving hit and run. I Googled it just now to find a cite and evidently it's come up here before.

It's in a 600 post thread about what studio publicists have covered up. The story that person heard was that it was a ten year old kid. I remember hearing it was a young mother. I don't know know for sure and obviously the evidence disappeared a long time ago.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 8702/11/2013

"...if you actually watch the film {GWTW}, you cant help but realize that the only people who have any morals, have dignity, any sense of honor or heroism, any real values and are not stumbling around with blinders on are the black characters. "

Not true. Rhett Butler, the "bad" man who defies all of society's rules, is quite honorable and heroic. He defies all of high society's hypocritical rules, the ones Scarlett lives by, and tells off anyone who mouths the idiotic popular opinions of the day. And he desperately tries to win Mammy's favor, because he recognizes she's a person of worth and wisdom.

"Dude got Loretta Young pregnant and then never acknowledged his own daughter. Dude was an ASSHOLE."

Publicly admitting that Judy was his would have ruined his and Loretta's careers, and it would have been difficult for a child of that era, if it had been known she was illegitimate. Keeping his yap shut in public was the honorable thing to do, by the standards of the day. Tell me, does anyone know if he ever spoke to Judy Lewis as a father? She would have been an adult when he died, old enough to understand the situation.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 8902/11/2013

Judy Lewis wrote in her book that she met Gable only once when she was 15. He was over at Loretta's house and she (Judy) and Gable had a brief conversation about nothing in particular and then he left. That was it. I wonder if Judy had been a boy if Gable would have shown an interest in her.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 9002/11/2013

Yeah, r88, if the "real values" you're talking about are complete and utter devotion to the service of whites, both before and after emancipation. GONE WITH THE WIND doesn't portray blacks as sub-human or anything like that, but I think it's disingenuous to pretend there's not an inherent racism to it. It clearly portrays Mammy as a woman of admirable qualities, BUT she's a woman whose entire raison d'etre in life is to serve the O'Haras (rather than to have any identity or life of her own) - and the book and movie clearly think that's pretty much the way it should be. The blacks who don't continue serving their slaveowners after emancipation are at best, trash, and at worst, rapists.

I'm saying this as an enormous GONE WITH THE WIND fan, who loves all the amazing things about it, but can still recognize that it's based on a worldview that thinks whites as masters and blacks as slaves/servants is the best situation for everybody.

(As a side note, I think your post doesn't take into account Melanie as a white character who is supposed to embody all the things you mention.)

by You Made Me Love Youreply 9102/11/2013

"yes - it's true. He was the "King of Hollywood" and there was no way he was going to jail or even be accused of a drunk driving hit and run. I Googled it just now to find a cite and evidently it's come up here before.

It's in a 600 post thread about what studio publicists have covered up. The story that person heard was that it was a ten year old kid. I remember hearing it was a young mother. I don't know know for sure and obviously the evidence disappeared a long time ago."

NO. It's NOT true.

Snopes.com clears up the "Gable killed a pedestrian while drunk and the studio covered it up" rumor once and for all. Look it up. It's very interesting in that it shows how rumors and gossip that have no basis in fact is frequently accepted as the truth.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 9202/11/2013

I considered him to be one of the sexiest Hollywood stars of all time. However, I don't think he was handsome. Hard to explain.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 9302/11/2013

What a man!! They don't make 'em like that anymore!

by You Made Me Love Youreply 9402/11/2013

GWTW was no better or no worse than ANY other Golden Age (pre-1960s) Hollywood film in portraying the situation of black people during the Civil War.

End of story.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 9502/11/2013

Mammy was the only woman in this film who talked back to the white men and didn't let them boss her around. She didn't take any shit from anyone. I don't know how anyone could call that racist.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 9702/11/2013

Mammy is believable as written. She's like the butler in "Remains of the Day", an upper servant whose self-image is based on close identification with her aristocratic masters. Such people can be bigger snobs than their employers, and can be so absorbed in being the #1 servant that they forget the rest of the world thinks of them as inferiors. And like the guy in "Remains of the Day", Mammy gives up her personal life without realizing what she's lost. No, it's the other servants and slaves who aren't believable. The cheerful slaves in the field who love working for the O'Haras, Big Sam continuing to act like Scarlett's loyal servant after he's been free for years, etc.

It's an openly racist book and film, but Margaret Mitchell definitely had mixed feelings about the Old South. She has Rhett voice her feelings about the idiocy of starting the war, and Mammy rip the old aristocracy a few new ones.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 9802/11/2013

I remember being a kid (I was born in 1980 for a reference point) and the three "old time" actors that I knew before I even realized I knew them were: Clark Gable, James Dean and Cary Grant. To me, those three men are the three Kings of Hollywood.

I have no idea why I'm sharing this.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 9902/11/2013

Jan. 17, 1942: Carole Lombard, who was returning from a campaign to sell defense bonds; her mother, Elizabeth K. Peters; and MGM publicist Otto Winkler are among 22 killed when a TWA Douglas Skycub slams into the side of Olcott Mountain 35 miles southwest of Las Vegas. Her husband, Clark Gable, who had been waiting at the Lockheed Air Terminal, immediately chartered a plane to Las Vegas.

The next day, The Times reported that Gable “vainly sought to make his way torturously up the cactus-strewn trail to the scene of his wife’s death. He was finally persuaded to return to Las Vegas, where he received the news that all aboard the plane had perished.”

by You Made Me Love Youreply 10003/02/2013

Gable had no chest hair, so yawn.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 10103/02/2013

He looked so much better without mustache

by You Made Me Love Youreply 10203/02/2013

[quote]Mammy is believable as written. She's like the butler in "Remains of the Day", an upper servant whose self-image is based on close identification with her aristocratic masters. Such people can be bigger snobs than their employers, and can be so absorbed in being the #1 servant that they forget the rest of the world thinks of them as inferiors. And like the guy in "Remains of the Day", Mammy gives up her personal life without realizing what she's lost.

There's a great scene in the book that describes how she "manages" the O'Haras. Since she is a slave (and knows this better than anyone) when she is unhappy with something, she knows she can't just come out and say it. Instead, she goes out into the hall and starts to clean, and audibly "pray" about her problem. She asks for God to give her the strength to bear whatever it is, and continues to do so for hours. Since the O'Haras are rich and white, they cannot acknowledge hearing her pray, nor can they tell her to stop because they are not supposed to be listening to her from their lofty heights, but by the time the hall is clean, they know exactly how Mammy feels, and what she needs to correct it.

[quote]No, it's the other servants and slaves who aren't believable. The cheerful slaves in the field who love working for the O'Haras,

The house servants had a little in a land of nothing so wanted to keep it -- they were cheerful about lording it over the other slaves and wanted to maintain the status quo.

[quote]Big Sam continuing to act like Scarlett's loyal servant after he's been free for years, etc.

Big Sam lived in the North for a while and saw how the Yankees really viewed black men as big and scary, and any "kindnesses" they showed were born out of fear.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 10303/02/2013

He is so sexy in this photo

*faints

by You Made Me Love Youreply 10403/13/2013

Sorry, i forgot to mention that the previous photo is from 'Red Dust' (1932). Clark Gable with Mary Astor

by You Made Me Love Youreply 10503/13/2013

poor Judy.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 10608/28/2013

I find him creepy-looking.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 10708/28/2013

His false teeth were due to lifelong dental and periodontal problems brought on by poor nutrition when he was young. Smoking a great deal and drinking like a fish didn't help that. At a time when everyone drank a LOT, he was known as a drinker's drinker.

His problem with Cukor was that he was already known as a "woman's director" and he was concerned that he wouldn't get a good showing. No one EVER proved any sexual connection between him and Cukor, nor that he hustled to support himself early on. To the contrary, he Allied himself, through marriage, with more than one older woman who more or less supported him, even after he'd become well known and could've divorced.

The baby with Young was handled per Young's own desires concerning the preservation of her career and reputation. Later on, when he was able to contact her, he only did so once.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 10808/28/2013

Gable was a good actor, and had a great image. But he killed a man while driving drunk and MGM covered it up. Always left a sour taste in my mouth after learning that.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 10908/28/2013

r109--r92 cleared that up for you.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 11008/28/2013

Loretta Young was such a religious hypocrite. She had a "cuss jar" on her sets and made anyone who cursed in front of her put money into it.

Then, to read what she did to her own daughter just to keep up her holier-than-thou facade, is truly disgusting. Clark comes off badly in this cover up too.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 11108/28/2013

I wonder if Clark and Loretta's child had been male, if Clark would have been present in the child's life.

Judy Lewis really was a female clone of her father, no question as to her paternity.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 11208/28/2013

R29 were you an actor in the film? Love your posts and stories.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 11308/28/2013

[R29] My brother and I were in a big walking to the rodeo scene with a whole lot of extras - but when I watch the movie, I don't see me. Too many people. But we weren't there for that anyway. That was one of Marilyn's questions for me. She wanted to make sure my mother wasn't trying to put me in the movies. I told her we were there cause my mom and aunt wanted to see Clark Gable. She laughed. Bnd when she met my mother the next day, after my alone meeting with her - she asked my Mom point blank. And then teased her a little about Clark Gable.

To address where this thread has gone, I watched Clark Gable for a whole lot of time that week. Like I said, he stood aside from everyone. The only place in that whole dusty, hot town to get anything to drink, was the bar. I did see him go into it a couple times -maybe once or twice each day. Could have been for beer or a coke or whatever. Or a pee. But in no way was Clark Gable drunk or even close to that. Clark Gable was VERY patient waiting for Marilyn. And when she did finally show up on that 3rd day - he was warm and welcoming to her. The poor guy who was drunk the majority of the time was Monty Clift. He carried his own bottle of booze. I watched the booze level go down as the day went on -and then he'd have a fresh bottle. His eyes were so bloodshot. I remember that clearly. I wonder who the hell was giving that to him?

by You Made Me Love Youreply 11408/28/2013

I read that Marilyn was terrified about working with Gable. When younger she had fantasized about Clark being her long lost father and the thought of being with him unbalanced her.

Allegedly, she showed up for their first meeting hours late and nervously approached Clark to say hello. He took her arm and walked her away from the crowd that surrounded them and leaned over and whispered something in her ear. She laughed out loud and they walked back to the crowd with her nerves somewhat calmed.

He always treated her with respect and tried to shield her from situations that would upset her. He was content to sit on the sidelines whilst all kinds of turmoil rumbled on around him. He loved the desert heat and loved the script and his new muscle Mercedes was finally delivered to him during filming and he would roar up and down the desert like a kid with a new toy.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 11508/28/2013

r89 Do you feel that Gable's role in "GWTW" was in anyway analogous to James Garner's in "The Americanization of Emily"? Particularly the scene where Garner "forces" Joyce Grenfell to stop pretending that she hasn't lost several family members due to war?

by You Made Me Love Youreply 11608/28/2013

He never took baths, only showers.

Shaved his pits . . . and maybe his pubes.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 11708/28/2013

I watched It Started In Naples a couple of weeks ago. Gable was more than thirty years older than his co-star Sophia Loren, but he aged rather badly and looked even older. That whole movie is just creepy (and pretty lame).

And it's really hillarious that such a stud ended his career by playing a character named Gay.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 11808/28/2013

Wouldn't getting married have been the "right thing" for Gable and Young to do, even if it meant a divorce or two?

I guess there wasn't much love there.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 11908/28/2013

He grew up badly, but he was smoking hot when he was younger and without a moustache on.

R119, i believe that too. When you really love someone you are ready for some exhibition and for some sacrifices.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 12008/29/2013

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by You Made Me Love Youreply 12108/29/2013

I never liked him or saw the appeal. Much preferred Gary Cooper or Cary Grant. He has no real classics either, apart from GWTW.

But dying at 60 at the turn of the 60s didnnt help. Grant and James Stewart have those Hitchcock classics which are always being shown, but apart from The Misfits, Gable's later films were not that important.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 12208/29/2013

r122 again, He looks good actually in It Started In Naples, and Loren is delightful, he may be about 30 years older than her, and he kind of sends himself up nicely. He had aged though almost overnight when back in Nevada for his next and final one, The Misfits.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 12308/29/2013

He used to refer to Monty Clift as "That faggot Clift".

I always thought he looked like Mighty Mouse.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 12508/29/2013

Gable and Eisenhower had very similar sounding voices.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 12608/29/2013

Some would say Gable's other perennial classics besides GWTW are:

San Francisco

It Happened One Night

Mutiny on the Bounty

Mogambo and/or Red Dust

The Hucksters

And I'm sure there are a couple of others that are slipping my mind.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 12708/29/2013

David Niven devotes a chapter to him in "Bring On The Empty Horses!". It's worth a read.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 12808/29/2013

He was in the first Broadway cast of "Machinal."

by You Made Me Love Youreply 12908/29/2013

re: Gable and Young's daughter:

Wouldn't the easiest thing have been for the studio to arrange an immediate quickie elopement for Young with some up-and-coming actor willing to go along with the studio's wishes? They could have stayed married long enough to cover the pregnancy and birth, pretending it was this new husband's child (they could have fudged the chronology by pretending the baby was born premature, and reporters of the day were willing to go along with these things anyway so I doubt they would have asked probing questions about the marriage date vs. the birth date). Then a divorce soon after the baby was born, and that's that. Seems like this would have been so much easier, and more typical of Hollywood, than the elaborate deception with Young going off to Europe and then putting the baby in a California orphanage before pretending to adopt her.

Would Young not do this because her devout faith made her unwilling to enter into a sham marriage and divorce?

by You Made Me Love Youreply 13008/29/2013

R81, Gable's 1950s films were not great because he wasn't offered good parts -- he star had waned as he got older and put on weight. He was no longer the handsome lead he'd been in the 1930s and early 40s.

"Apparently he was friends with Franklin Roosevelt as he sometimes visited him in the White House."

Could be, but Gable was a Republican's Republican. Not the same thing as today, but still...

by You Made Me Love Youreply 13108/29/2013

Teachers Pet is one of his best later films. Funny, droll, and with some serious things to say. Doris Day, Gig Young and Mame van Doren all shine as well. (this was right before Doris's meteoric rise to superstardom via Pillow Talk.)

by You Made Me Love Youreply 13208/29/2013

"Wouldn't getting married have been the "right thing" for Gable and Young to do, even if it meant a divorce or two?"

I suppose, but I don't know if Gable was willing to divorce his current wife for Young. He did divorce her for Carole Lombard, the "love of his life", but the current wife wouldn't agree to a divorce unless he gave her every cent he had plus the extra money he got for "GWTW".

So while Gable may have loved Young, I don't know if he loved her more than every cent he had. Gable liked to hang onto his money.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 13308/29/2013

Oh, no, good catholics don't do divorce!!

by You Made Me Love Youreply 13408/29/2013

Loretta Young was a very strong, pious Catholic. As were her parents. A child with a married man was something she could not admit to. In fact, all those years later when her daughter confronted her, Loretta Young ran from the room and threw up!

by You Made Me Love Youreply 13508/29/2013

The daughter died not too long ago.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 13608/29/2013

That son that he missed watching growing up is a real winner. Total junky😳

by You Made Me Love Youreply 13708/29/2013

Son is alki not junky. My mistake. The grandson is the druggie

by You Made Me Love Youreply 13808/29/2013

The grandson's feets:

by You Made Me Love Youreply 13908/29/2013

Judy Lewis was conceived by Loretta and Clark when they were on location making The Call of the Wild in the frozen tundra, way up north of Hollywood.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 14008/29/2013

To Please a Lady was Clark's worst film from the 50s. Mainly because he had no chemistry with Barbara Stanwyck. I love her, but she and Gable are so mismatched onscreen. He did better with the ultra-girly girl types; she with the shy doofuses.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 14108/29/2013

I actually think Gable still looked great in the 1950s. He didn't leave MGM until they disbanded the whole contract players roster in 1955, so he didn't have too many years as a freelancer. I feel his style of acting was quite suitable still, and he always made an interesting screen presence.

He's really excellent in "The Misfits"

Gable was like lots of stars. He smoked like a chimney, drank, and gained weight between later film assignments, which he had to drop quickly, for which he relied on amphetamines. What a recipe for a heart attack!

by You Made Me Love Youreply 14208/29/2013

LY was a downlow ho, she could give Grace Kelly a run for the money when it came to fucking her co-stars.

They couldn't curse in front of her, but she was open for business 24/7. All she had to do was go to confession and whisper to a priest about her multiple sexual adventures, receive and then murmur her penance and then she was good to go all over again.

Absolved! Wiped clean! No longer full of mortal sin! Whew!

by You Made Me Love Youreply 14308/29/2013

GONE WITH THE WIND

THE MISFITS

are his best movies by far.

He was lucky that his last movie was The Misfits

He ended his career with this beautiful film.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 14408/30/2013

He looks very charming in this photo. With him are Ginger Rogers on the left and Carole Lombard on the right...

by You Made Me Love Youreply 14510/12/2013

David Janssen. Supposedly he inherited his alcoholism from Clark Gable. This story is usually discounted, but Janssen's agent claimed that Janssen confirm the old rumor before Janssen died.

Berniece Graf became the 1928 Miss Nebraska, but the national contest was cancelled. Berniece ended up a Ziegfeld Follies showgirl on Broadway up to 1930. She said of her experience: "I remember my costume. It was mainly a large hat." But a young Clark Gable was nearby, starring in the Broadway play “Love, Honor and Betray” that ran Mar 12, 1930 - Apr 1930.

But Berniece suddenly returned to Nebraska and married a banker, Harold Meyers, and on March 27, 1931, David was born. But Berniece soon dumped Meyers and moved on to California with David.

Sidenote: David did look like Judy Lewis' twin brother.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 14610/12/2013

[quote]Could be, but Gable was a Republican's Republican. Not the same thing as today, but still...

Not to be a dick, but this is really useless on it's face in determining Gable's (or anyone's) ideology. The Republican party was a totally different animal pre-1960.

Plenty of what would be today's Dem voters voted Repub back then. Gable was born in 1901; his first election in which he voted was probably 24 or 28, both times won by the Republican. If you will look at election maps from those races, you can invert the colors/party names and get practically the same map today. But the Democratic party of Gable's youth and likely first voting experiences was absolutely saturated with KKK members -- who later got pissed at Kennedy, threw their ugly temper tantrums and took up voting Republican in protest.

Loretta Younge, however, was most definitely a hypocritical cunt.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 14711/28/2013

[all posts by tedious, racist idiot removed.]

by You Made Me Love Youreply 14811/28/2013

He was my Grandmothers celeb crush. She would always 'he can leave his boots under my bed anytime'.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 14911/28/2013

Apparently he was one of the most well-liked actors of his era. I've never heard anywhere that he ever acted like a dick towards anybody.

I've been reading "My Lunches With Orson", which consists of conversations between Henry Jaglom (He's a director, but I've never heard of him) and Orson Welles. Welles has no compunction about dissing people. When Jaglom mentions Gable and says that Gable was "certainly not bright", Welles responds with "No, but terribly nice. Just a nice big hunk of man."

by You Made Me Love Youreply 15011/28/2013

Lucille Ball, who was a friend of Carole Lombard, didn't like him. She thought he was a stick in the mud and that Carole could have done better.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 15111/28/2013

"Lucille Ball, who was a friend of Carole Lombard, didn't like him. She thought he was a stick in the mud and that Carole could have done better."

"Could have done better?" He was the King of Hollywood; women adored him and found him incredibly sexy. And he was a NICE guy. How much "better" could she have done?

Lucille Ball was a cunt. That's been verified MANY times, by people who to work with her. She was in no position to throw stones at anybody for anything. She also called Desi Arnaz a "loser." What a cunt!

by You Made Me Love Youreply 15211/28/2013

He couldn't have been too much of a stick in the mud, being that he was so genuinely in love with Lombard. She was quite progressive and spitfire for her day. Always up for a good time, she was.

I love Lucy, but she was not a great (or even good) judge of character when it came to romantic relationships.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 15311/29/2013

Whenever Carole Lombard is mentioned by her peers in any reminiscence of old Hollywood, it's always in glowing terms.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 15411/29/2013

There is a lot of handsome in that pic at r146. That driver is the gorgeous Jeffrey Hunter.

Poor Josephine Dillon really got screwed in her relationship with Clark. Married him, taught him some acting, got him auditions, bought him clothes and kept him in cigarettes while he went roaming the wilds of Hollywood. As soon as he got some breaks, he was out the door and married to another older, but richer lady.

It's possible that Clark and Josephine never consummated the marriage but she is very vague about any kind of sex life that they may have had during their time together.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 15511/30/2013

Gable cheated on Lombard with Lana Turner. That was what made Lombard rush home. Her mom who was a strong believer in numerology freaked out over the # of the plane they were going to take. She knew something bad would happen but Lombard wanted to get back as quickly as possible and wouldn’t take the train and her mother went along on the ill-fated flight with her. I believe it was TWA flight #3 but I don’t remember for sure.

This was why Gable was so guilty and just about suicidal. He really did love Lombard, despite the cheating, and knew why she was in such a rush to get home from the bond selling tour she and her mother were on. Despite remarrying and having a child he was never the same after Lombard died. He joined the military and no one wanted to be near him because he was trying so hard to get himself killed.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 15611/30/2013

What movie is that still from at r146? Is David Janssen portraying Gable?

I thought that was Jeffrey Hunter as the cab driver but he looked less than his usual drop-dead gorgeous self there, pocked marked face and all.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 15711/30/2013

Any info on Gable's grandson?

by You Made Me Love Youreply 15811/30/2013

R156, when the United States entered World War II, Clark Gable volunteered for the Army Air Forces, but I'm not so certain he had much of an opportunity to get himself killed in combat. (Although I don't doubt he was depressed and felt terrible about Carole Lombard's death.) He was trained as an aerial gunner and a photographer. Eventually, he was assigned to film a propaganda movie about air gunners while in England. I believe he flew or went along on a few combat missions. (As an aside, during World War II, James Stewart was a decorated bomber pilot and flew on several combat missions. In 1968, he retired from the Air Force Reserve as a Brigadier General.)

by You Made Me Love Youreply 15911/30/2013

Looks like the Hunter/Janssen movie is a pot boiler titled "Man Trap." Stella Stevens co-stars.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 16011/30/2013

I can only guess Janssen was not playing Gable in Man Trap and it was not a bio-pic of the star.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 16111/30/2013

David Janssen looks like James Brolin impersonating Clark Gable.

by You Made Me Love Youreply 16212/01/2013

On screen, I loved everything about Clark Gable. He played many manly roles, unlike Cary Grant. He was not all that great in a love scene. Usually the woman had to be really sultry in order for the scene to work, as in Lana Turner. No one could have done Rhett Butler like Gable though. He was very good with Lana Turner and I loved him in Band of Angels also. I used to wonder if Gable was bisexual. Too bad if her was. He and lana had the best on-screen chemistry of all the stars he played with. They say he was a lousy lover. But one thing stands out to me; Clark Gable stood up for Hattie McDaniel, at the premiere of Gone With the Wind. He boldy told the producers, who did not want her to attend the occasion in Atlanta, that she had been just as much a part of that film as anyone else, and that if she could not attend, he would not. In my book, that makes him one hell of a damn nice man.

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