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Do you think it's ethical for rent boys to charge extra for out calls?

Most of the guys I hire will do out calls to my place, but they add like a $50 surcharge to their fee compared to in calls. I could see if they were cabbing it, but for most of these guys, it's just a quick subway ride with their unlimited metro cards. It really doesn't cost anything extra on their end. Plus, I like to cook, so they get a free meal out of me as well. Do you think it's ethical for them to charge the extra fee when it costs them nothing extra? I know that many of them are struggling guys just trying to make rent, so I'm torn over that aspect, but in the end, it's a business transaction, so why should they pass down additional costs to me when it's not costing them anything extra? Your thoughts.

by Anonymousreply 5602/09/2013

Exactly how FAT are you, OP?

by Anonymousreply 102/08/2013

You would think OP would already be quite familiar with delivery charges.

by Anonymousreply 202/08/2013

The return of the cheap John...

by Anonymousreply 302/08/2013

I'm dying of laughter.

"Ethical" and "rent boys" in the same sentence.


by Anonymousreply 402/08/2013

Do you want something weird and disgusting so that you have to pay someone? I'm a truckdriver, and I put ads on craigslist all over the country and there is always plenty of men who want to come over and suck me off. That is all I am willing to do with other men, and they seem to like it fine.

by Anonymousreply 502/08/2013

OP, do you think prostitution is ethnical, buyer or seller?

by Anonymousreply 602/08/2013

The return of the Faux Innocent Troll. We are supposed to be outraged that he is asking about the ethics of a small detail of a relationship that is itself ethically questionable.

Sorry, FIT--I'll pass.

by Anonymousreply 702/08/2013

Forget the idiot op who even types fat - it is R5's life I an intrigued by.

by Anonymousreply 802/08/2013

I'm picturing the OP lounging on a French provincial divan in a matching caftan and turban, smoking a Virginia Slims in a cigarette holder in one hand with a Cosmo in the other. "Judy Garland at the Palace" plays in the background and the air reeks of Tabu.

by Anonymousreply 902/08/2013

Don't see anything wrong with it, r6. It's just another business transaction. I'm fat, old and ugly--the trifecta for being repulsive in the gay world. But I'm human and need affection and sex once in a while, so if I have to pay for it from willing guys, don't see the harm.

by Anonymousreply 1002/08/2013

Did he want you to go down thirteen floors to be serviced, too?

by Anonymousreply 1102/08/2013

OP/R10, there's a whole world of bears, men who like bears, and chubby chasers. Not my thing, but several of my friends are in that scene.

I think it's less about you not being able to find someone, and more about the fact that **you really don't want to find anyone**.

You don't want to do any of the things that might get you close to a person, since that person might hurt you/leave you/reject you, so you've kept them at arm's length. It's a lot easier to pay them and never develop feelings for them, right?

by Anonymousreply 1202/08/2013

Being a bear doesn't mean you find bears attractive.

by Anonymousreply 1302/08/2013


You have to stop the self-immolation for your "trifecta," as you put it. I'm pretty sure you're the same guy who posts on a popular discussion board that reviews male escorts--first letter of username G?

Get yourself to a therapist, get a nutrition plan, but cut yourself a little slack and try to get healthy.

Best wishes

by Anonymousreply 1402/08/2013

R13, you completely missed the point.

If OP is a large bearish and/or chubby man, there are smaller, more fit men out there who really get into big men. Not just a little, or when they're drunk or bored, but will appreciate him for who he is.

There is a lid for every pot.

by Anonymousreply 1502/08/2013

Some hustlers charge for out calls, some don't. If it doesn't increase their price unreasonably and they're hot and willing to go along with what I'm into, I don't mind. I'm not sure there has to be a reason, and I don't ask. It's a pseudo-understandable way to up their price a bit, though for some it does mean time spent traveling, finding a parking space and so on, which might cost them another trick. (I'm in Philly, where a fair number drive in from near by suburbs).

by Anonymousreply 1602/08/2013

OP the surcharge is for their time. Even if they did take the subway with on a metro card with unlimited trips. It could take them anywhere up to an hour or so to get to you. That is an hour that they could have been servicing some other client.

by Anonymousreply 1702/08/2013

R16--Do not make the mistake of taking OP's question seriously. No one who regularly pays someone by the hour could be confused by an extra charge for extra time. He's trolling.

by Anonymousreply 1802/08/2013

I bet you don't tip the pizza delivery guy either.

by Anonymousreply 1902/08/2013

What's the difference between out call and in call?

by Anonymousreply 2002/08/2013

don't listen to these flyovers, OP, no good scorts in their one-light Nebraska town.

I would simply begin a dialogue with a local escort an tell him you are looking for a regular and that you can't pay the surcharge each time. Or, offer 20 to travel instead of 50.

also, some scorts cannot do incalls so those guys are unlikely to charge extra since all the can do are out.

I don't believe there is an ethics situation because he's not running a charity. is it the best business model? that's a better question.

by Anonymousreply 2102/08/2013

Right on, {R4}! Very funny!

by Anonymousreply 2202/08/2013

only fatties themselves obsess over weight, their own or someone else's humongora @ R1

by Anonymousreply 2302/08/2013

Aww, I think it's sweet that the OP wants to cook for the rent boy in question.

by Anonymousreply 2402/08/2013

OP, you can't buy affection. Sex, yes, but affection, no. They don't even like you, without the money you are nothing. Get real.

by Anonymousreply 2502/08/2013

R20--Incalls are at the escort's home. Outcalls are at the client's home.

by Anonymousreply 2602/08/2013

Or at a hotel.

by Anonymousreply 2702/08/2013

Dumb question, do escorts have nice homes? At least nice enough that you might actually want to have sex there? I imagine most of them are dumps.

by Anonymousreply 2802/08/2013

Yes. It takes more of someone's time to show up at your place. Getting to and from your place can take as much as the time spent at your place.

Of course, the guy you rent may be very close to you but the price they charge is for all of their customers no matter where they are so it is likely to even out from their perspective. Just because they are walking two blocks to your place doesn't mean they aren't taking a half hour (or more) subway ride each way for another client.

And one wouldn't expect them to have different rates for delivering the goods to people in different zones.

This isn't Whole Foods!

Moreover, if you don't like it you are free to bargain.

by Anonymousreply 2902/08/2013

Next you'll be complaining about escorts who charge by the inch!

by Anonymousreply 3002/08/2013

No, R30, Escorts that charge by the pound... of the client.

by Anonymousreply 3102/08/2013

Well, the economy is still pretty bad so perhaps the OP can throw in a continental breakfast as well.

by Anonymousreply 3202/08/2013

We should really be discussing the ethics of tipping rent boys (monetarily).

by Anonymousreply 3302/08/2013

What are some good Hell's Kitchen whores? Do do they out calls on snowy nights?

by Anonymousreply 3402/08/2013

[quote]Plus, I like to cook, so they get a free meal out of me as well.

They're charging you extra because they have to eat your horrible cooking and pretend they like it.

by Anonymousreply 3502/08/2013

[quote]OP, do you think prostitution is ethnical, buyer or seller?

Your Freudian slip is showing.

by Anonymousreply 3602/08/2013

of course it's fair if one has to leave the comfort of one's own home! I end up charging more in my hourly rate if I have to travel. I don't tell the client that, but I do factor it into my price. There's an opportunity cost to my time too, baby, and it's completely ethical to put whatever price I want on that time.

by Anonymousreply 3702/08/2013

But... but... i just sent a travel surcharge form to my emplyoer and told him I could be working at home for someone else, but instead I was traveling to our office at least an hour a day.

he had the oddest look on his face.

by Anonymousreply 3802/08/2013

Obviously going into a stranger's home presents more risk to a person than having a stranger in their own home, I would think, right?

by Anonymousreply 3902/08/2013

I think it's risky either way, r39.

by Anonymousreply 4002/08/2013

I have a question for all you rent boy experts.

Is there a rent boy market for straight women in NYC, in all seriousness?

there are so many female centric professions in NYC, in publishing, media, PR, etc. They have to sometime want sex and not be able to get it from someone who is attractive, right?

Does this market exist? Like, for young hot disease free docile guys to, say, have sex on the regular with ugly or older women?

Or, if it happens, is it more the blue moon gig for an ordinary male escort to gay men.

by Anonymousreply 4102/08/2013

With an in-call, a crazy client knows where you live.

With an out call, you might end up in his dungeon.

So risky either way.

by Anonymousreply 4202/08/2013

r42 = Stephen Sondheim

by Anonymousreply 4302/08/2013

This made my day! HAHAHA. They are either pay their rate or go elsewhere. Maybe I'm missing something. Is there a universal rate for various sex acts performed?

by Anonymousreply 4402/08/2013

R41 All I know is that the men-for-women legal brothel that Heidi Fleiss tried to start in Pahrump, NV never got off the ground.

by Anonymousreply 4502/08/2013

R38 stupid comparison. If you worked for a client-services company, you'd typically get a km or travel allowance. Travelling to your own office is different than travelling to a CLIENT'S location.

by Anonymousreply 4602/08/2013

And if the call boy does a really good job, the OP tips him with a pot of home made jam.

by Anonymousreply 4702/08/2013

You cook for them? How do you work that in? Do you have sex before, during or after the meal? Do you pay him for the time he spends watching you cook and then eating it? What if he's a picky eater, is allergic to something, or has other dietary needs?

by Anonymousreply 4802/08/2013

You know, Op, hiring prostitutes isn't something normal well adjusted people do.

Just a thought.

by Anonymousreply 4902/08/2013

NY has some lazy hustlers. They want to overcharge and barely get you off. And their lazy asses do want to charge an extra fifty for an hour train ride when they use that same ride to go to a friend's house.

by Anonymousreply 5002/08/2013

Define "normal," r49. I hate when people throw that word around. It's frought with judgment. Are you a gay man? Some people would call being gay "not normal." If it gives me pleasure and doesn't harm anyone, what's the big deal? I just have issues with the out call surcharge.

by Anonymousreply 5102/08/2013

you haven't answered why he shouldn't get paid for the time to get there or having to leave his own home. Stylists or spray tanners often cost more when they come directly to your home, too.

by Anonymousreply 5202/08/2013

I'm a nyc rentboy and charge extra for an outcall because of the amount of additional time involved to travel for an outcall appt. Plus, I prefer to host as I have a clean, private, comfortable apt in midtown. & I also only take taxi cabs or car services when traveling to and from a clients apt/hotel; thus the additional surcharge is fair.

by Anonymousreply 5302/09/2013

R41, did you never see "American Gigolo"? In reality a gigolo is usually a kept man, the counterpart to a mistress rather than a prostitute. If you are a heterosexual woman, you really do not want to try to use a male prostitute even if many of them claim to be "gay for pay" heterosexuals.

by Anonymousreply 5402/09/2013

Also, R41, the kind of women that you mention can hire male employees, and while there is danger nowadays of sex harassment claims, it still remains true that young attractive people get ahead in life by getting it on with their bosses.

by Anonymousreply 5502/09/2013

R53, You say you have a clean and comfortable apartment. Do most escorts have a place suitable for entertaining? How does that work for role playing? I know that escorts often have to take on a persona to appeal to a clients taste:thug, preppy, etc. Do you have to keep your place neutral and impersonal so as to not ruin the image? It seems as if it would be difficult to keep work and personal life separate.

by Anonymousreply 5602/09/2013
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