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People who never leave the borders of their home state

How sad is that? I saw this comment posted somewhere else.

[quote]Even when I go on vacation... I stay within my state's borders.

Insular, fearful? Do you know people like this or are you one of them?

by Anonymousreply 15002/11/2013

To be sure, OP, you're wondering about those who have the money to travel outside their own state but don't?

by Anonymousreply 102/05/2013

That sounds like a freeper or a tea bagger. They never go anywhere.

by Anonymousreply 202/05/2013

Many of my family members are like that. It's a Big Deal to drive into the neighboring state. My sister (43 years old) has never even been on an airplane.

by Anonymousreply 302/05/2013

Sounds like healthy tribal instinct to me. People will stay exactly where God put them. When I say god, I mean nature. Perhaps they are the healthy among us, as opposed to those who gaze lustfully at foreign shores dreaming of conquering and suppressing?

by Anonymousreply 402/05/2013

I know lots of people like this. Some don't have the money. Others don't have the interest. It also depends on whether they live in a big state like Texas vs. someplace smaller like New Hampshire.

by Anonymousreply 502/05/2013

No, Della, I personally knew some people like that. They had plenty of money and I'm assuming they were afraid of leaving their comfort zone and running into "exotic" foods and non-English speaking people.

by Anonymousreply 602/05/2013

I worked with many people like this when I worked for Hersheypark, in PA. It isn't economic. They are afraid of the outside world. One year the park singers/dancers were to do a telethon in Washington, DC. We could not get any of the local tech people to go. It was all paid for by the entertainment co (the entertainment a Hersheypark is subcontracted), so; money was not an issue. I remember the wardrobe mistresses excuse was that she did not have a passport. She was serious. These people do not want to see, feel, experience, or do anything new. It all has to be withing there existing experience.

by Anonymousreply 702/05/2013

[quote]Perhaps they are the healthy among us, as opposed to those who gaze lustfully at foreign shores dreaming of conquering and suppressing?

There's nothing healthy about insularity and closed-mindedness. And most people travel in order to learn, not conquer.

by Anonymousreply 802/05/2013

A secretary in my mom's office told us all at her retirement party that she had never been outside of the COUNTY. Born, married, had kids, and spent her entire working life in the same county.

by Anonymousreply 902/05/2013

Definitely seems to be the case with older working class people, especially in rural areas. My grandmother probably spent 99% of her adult life in the same 100 square miles. When I was growing up, once or twice a year we used to drive 20 miles to the next town and it was a big thing.

by Anonymousreply 1002/05/2013

What's R4's damage?

We're talking about taking a vacation and seeing things you can't see at home, not "conquering and suppressing".

by Anonymousreply 1102/05/2013

I frankly find people who can't bear to stay in one place more disturbing than people who do for years on end.

Stop running away from yourselves - it's pathetic.

by Anonymousreply 1202/05/2013

You are weird R4/12. I can happily stay home but I find learning about other cultures fascinating and I like increasing my knowledge of other places. You can experience wonderful food and meet interesting new people. I think you are probably the epitome of insular and fearful.

by Anonymousreply 1302/05/2013

R4/12 has never set foot outside of her trailer park, and she wants you to know YOU'RE the one with the problem!

by Anonymousreply 1402/05/2013

R4/12 is the answer to the question.

by Anonymousreply 1502/05/2013

LOL! Whatever you want to tell yourselves....

by Anonymousreply 1602/05/2013

[quote]Stop running away from yourselves - it's pathetic.

Stop hiding away from the world - it's pathetic.

by Anonymousreply 1702/05/2013

Just remember - you are them, and they are you.

by Anonymousreply 1802/05/2013

R4/12/16 is a teabagging tinhat troll who stumbled across DL. Living in fear of brown people, gay people and the gubmint taking his guns.

by Anonymousreply 1902/05/2013

r17 - you're the one that can't sit still though, terrified of being left behind. What IS the matter with you?

by Anonymousreply 2002/05/2013

Re: R20

"Left Behind"? Hmmmm....I wonder where he got that phrase?

by Anonymousreply 2102/05/2013

R17 who said I can't sit still? I often sit still and stay at home but have traveled to Asia and Europe. I'm hoping to get to the Caribbean soon. I embrace life and all of it's experiences.

by Anonymousreply 2202/05/2013

[quote]These people do not want to see, feel, experience, or do anything new. It all has to be withing there existing experience.

Isn't that the very definition of a "conservative"?

by Anonymousreply 2302/05/2013

r19 - the worldly sophisticate always happy to label, exhaust and write off every little thing in sight because he's so frightened of losing control of his glamorous self-image as aesthete and popinjay. SPARE me!

by Anonymousreply 2402/05/2013

A co-worker has never been more than a hundred miles from her home, which is in a podunk minor city. I asked her why she didn't go to Los Angeles, which is a few hours drive away.

"What do I want to go there for? All that traffic, I couldn't find my way around, and they shoot people in the streets there! And it's so expensive, and anyway I just want to be with my family."

I think it's mostly fear of the unknown, which is a very powerful thing. IMHO experienced travelers have all sorts of skills which diminshes that fear of the unknown, all our map-study and phrasebooks and stuff, people who don't know how to prep for a trip can feel completely overwhelmed.

by Anonymousreply 2502/05/2013

So quick to cast judge and jury, filled to the brim with self congratulatory pride and sense of having your pot in every fire, projecting ideas of yourself onto every strange culture because you can't bear to not be seen and heard and active in every trend, every city, every happening and every party. The unfortunate people who are phobic to leave their states are the least of your worries.

by Anonymousreply 2602/05/2013

Yes, I've known quite a few people who don't venture far from home for many different reasons. And a lot of those people will just visit relatives. But if they'll vacation away from home but not outside their state's borders it sounds like they need geographical boundaries to make them feel secure. Everything outside it is too risky.

I vacation in places very different from my usual surroundings. It heightens my senses and I like that.

by Anonymousreply 2702/05/2013

I had an aunt who went to Branson, Missouri twice and Florida about a half dozen times. In her life. She was 88 when she died. The rest of her life was spent in Lima, Ohio. Now that is more than sad. It's pathetic.

by Anonymousreply 2802/05/2013

Not really R24 but whatever your closed off, fearful mind wants to believe is fine with me. Stay home in your trailer eating your mac and cheese and waiting for an invasion.

You really don't make any sense at all.

by Anonymousreply 2902/05/2013

r29 - and you make equal sense? Wake up to your own limitations - all of you. The WORLD has not taught you to be open-minded.

by Anonymousreply 3002/05/2013

R27 I love the way so many countries have a different light and smell to them.

by Anonymousreply 3102/05/2013

I have a few relatives like that. Rarely go on vacation, and when they did go on vacation, it was usually to work another job to make extra money. Come up with every excuse as to why they can't go anywhere. They live in Mississippi, though I knew a few people from Texas with this mentality too.

A lot of people have a fear of venturing outside of their comfort zones and what is familiar to them. If anything, I'd rather they just stay home than fuck up a trip because they don't want to spend money, go to a certain place, or go up a skycraper (because they're afraid of elevators), or eat anywhere but Picadilly's or McDonalds or some chain restaurant they could eat in back home. I still want to strangle one of my friends who wanted to eat at a TGI Friday's in fucking New Orleans of all places a few years back.

I have a couple of teenage cousins who are the polar opposites when it comes to this. One only wants to spend time in his shithole hometown in Mississippi and hang out with his friends all day. However, he recently enlisted in the military, so he'll have no choice but to leave for BT pretty soon. My other cousin is a lot more adventurous. He wants to get the fuck out of Mississippi when he gets older, loves to travel, loves to fly, and he recently rode with my family and I up to Washington DC and I could tell he was in awe of seeing the sights that he only saw on television not to mention riding the Metro like a pro.

by Anonymousreply 3202/05/2013

R24/29 probably never ventures 100 miles outside of their "zone" and probably thinks a trip to the chinese buffet is ethnic dining and Olive Garden is real Italian food. And that a trip to Florida would be considered "exotic." Probably some freeper trash...

by Anonymousreply 3302/05/2013

I found Manhattan to be the most exhilirating place I've ever been. I can't wait to go back.

I found Las Vegas, Nevada to be awesome. Now whether LV is good awe or bad awe, I'm undecided, but it is.

Perhaps it's a function of being an elder, but now the thought of leaving my own state seems more of a chore then a pleasure.

For me, it boils down to the hassle of travel. For instance, I love the thought of being in, say, Hawaii, but I loathe the thought of getting to Hawaii.

Now, if I had the dough-ray-mee to maintain my own private jet, look out, Great Wall of China, here I come!

by Anonymousreply 3402/05/2013

R33 I think I posted that I've traveled to Europe and Asia. No I don't eat at Olive Garden or think a Chinese buffet is real Chinese food.

by Anonymousreply 3502/05/2013

r33, there you go again with your labelling? I'm 'freeper trash' and you are so worldly, so fresh, so young, so trendy, so glamorous, so inflated, so immortal, so aware, so hip, so in sync, so knowing, so vibrant..... yep, you have truly escaped from all you deem ignoble.

by Anonymousreply 3602/05/2013

Della, it is, sadly, becoming more and more of a hassle to travel by air.

by Anonymousreply 3702/05/2013

R30/36 you do realize that different people are addressing you right?

by Anonymousreply 3802/05/2013

My friend took her first trip out of state when she was 20 or so. It was an all-expenses-paid trip to Florida for a week including a free ticket to Disney. She was coming to visit me.

She had a panic attack in the airport and boarded the next flight home. So the only time she's been out of Ohio was a day trip to the Tampa airport. She's in her early 40s now.

by Anonymousreply 3902/05/2013

r38, you're not different people. You're sheep/close-minded. I was hoping to find some innovative intellectuals in this thread, not little boys who hate the aged, the common, the inept and the crass.

by Anonymousreply 4002/05/2013

what is wrong with hating the common, the inept, and the crass? That is a virtue.

by Anonymousreply 4102/05/2013

It so great to feel so superior to the rubes, isn't it?

by Anonymousreply 4202/05/2013

Travel and knowledge of other cultures is not closeminded R40. It's the opposite. I'm very sorry that you are either physically unable to leave your house or choose not to.

And, yes, different people are addressing you.

by Anonymousreply 4302/05/2013

Isn't traveling a danger concern for women?

I think our country has many undiagnosed people with anxiety and panic disorders.

Don't make fun of people who don't travel.

by Anonymousreply 4402/05/2013

[quote]Isn't traveling a danger concern for women?

Not any more than it is for men but it depends on the country you visit. Obviously, if I travel to Saudi Arabia I will adopt the attire they deem acceptable. It may take more prep for women because they should learn what different countries deem acceptable.

by Anonymousreply 4502/05/2013

If women have to jump through hoops to not be raped or murdered in a country then I suggest that they don't give up their tourist dollars in said country.

Go support a country that likes women.

by Anonymousreply 4602/05/2013

Yeh, women really need to be careful traveling to Oregon or Vermont. The thread is about people who never leave their home state, not women who travel to third world countries.

by Anonymousreply 4702/05/2013

Strange R36 says R33 was labeling him. But a careful reading of R33 shows nothing of the sort happened. I wonder why R36 would tell such a lie?

by Anonymousreply 4802/05/2013

R48 I think someone's thread numbers got screwed up. Mine does that occasionally. I will see people reference an R40 but only see 30 comments. I don't know why that happens.

by Anonymousreply 4902/05/2013

I'm sorry to read that r37.

When I was a teenager back in the paleolithic period aka the 70s, I experienced my first airplane trip.

The excitement of arriving at the airport (the old General Mitchelll Fied in Milwaukee!),the can't-wait mixed with a bit of fear feeling of boarding the plane and the sudden, frightening impact of my body with the back of the seat as the plane accelerated off the runway....

by Anonymousreply 5002/05/2013

R36 / R40 is just projecting his/her insecurities and trying to justify their lack of travel and experience in the world.

by Anonymousreply 5102/05/2013

I travelled the world as a teen, in my 20s and my 30s. Loved it, and very grateful for the experiences and memories. Today, though, I prefer to stay on the East coast of the US, where I live. I have many vacation options which I take throughout the year to destinations that are a reasonable drive or short flight.

by Anonymousreply 5202/05/2013

George Dubya didn't do much traveling before becoming the US President. That I find inexcusable. A poor family, yes, but a Bush looking to be a world figure, no.

by Anonymousreply 5302/05/2013

Excuse me, but is R47 claiming that women are safe to roam around many American cities by themselves?

Detroit, parts of New York, Camden, Atlanta and San Francisco's tenderloin and mission are not safe for women to walk around in alone.

It's like the Taliban runs these cities in terms of harrassment towards women.

by Anonymousreply 5402/05/2013

R54, you are an idiot. None of those cities are in Oregon or Vermont. NOBODY visits Camden for a vacation. The rest are parts of cities that would be just as dangerous for men as for women. The fact is that most vacation destinations, Disneyland, Branson, Colonial Williamsburg, Sonoma Valley, etc. are perfectly safe for women. Stop being a bloody fool.

by Anonymousreply 5502/05/2013

My sister's in-laws are almost the same way. For the first few years I knew them, they could hardly hide how ridiculous they thought it was that once a year I would travel outside the country. "Why fly all over the world when there's plenty to see here in the US?" Not that they would even know. By 1990 they still had never flown and the only places they went were Atlantic City or the Foxwoods casino. As of late they have been a little more adventurous in taking cruises, but again, only because there is a casino on board. They are very much stuck in the past seem wary of anything new and different.

by Anonymousreply 5602/05/2013

r51, you are an idiot. I've had plenty of experience with the world, so much so that I can only look with optimism at those who choose to remain in familiar circles. You're just too damned repellent and pleased with yourself to make the world an inviting prospect for these intimidated countrymen in the provinces.

by Anonymousreply 5702/05/2013

I was pretty nervous to leave Philly because I was afraid people outside of town would be jerks. The first time I tried to leave, I had a horrible time. Gypsies tried to shrink my head and I ended up almost dying from a fire in the back of a U-Haul truck. The next time I tried to leave Philly I actually made it to Atlantic City and it was awesome.

by Anonymousreply 5802/05/2013

[quote]Excuse me, but is [R47] claiming that women are safe to roam around many American cities by themselves?

I'm not R47, but yes, dear, women are safe in most American cities, including every one that you listed. I'm fairly certain many women (half the population, by some counts) actually live in those cities and are able to work, commute and socialize without being murdered in the streets.

However, your phrase to "roam around" is a bit silly. No one should "roam around" an unfamiliar area without caution. There are bad sections of every city and a wise traveler, male or female, knows not to stray from well lit, well traveled areas or not to just venture off in an unfamiliar place.

by Anonymousreply 5902/05/2013

Ahhh... So you admit that the world intimidates you....

by Anonymousreply 6002/05/2013

R55 lives in a dream world that does not include the reality of violent meth dealers living in Oregon. Or, the proliferation of heroin and meth addicts who line the streets of Portland, adn who commit assaults against tourists on a daily basis.

And, women do visit San Fransisco alone and are never warned about the dangers of certain neighborhoods.

And there have been terrible cases of women murdered on the backwoods of Vermont.

America is a cesspool of violence.

by Anonymousreply 6102/05/2013

R57 - Well aren't you special. We all bow down in your all-knowing wisdom... And resorting to name calling when all else fails, that's revolutionary.

by Anonymousreply 6202/05/2013

[quote]You're just too damned repellent and pleased with yourself to make the world an inviting prospect for these intimidated countrymen in the provinces. just admitted you are intimidated by the world. What exactly intimidates you?

by Anonymousreply 6302/05/2013

[quote]You're just too damned repellent and pleased with yourself to make the world an inviting prospect for these intimidated countrymen in the provinces.

If a person finds the prospect of traveling to a neighboring state intimidating, then there is nothing any of us, including yourself, can do to help them.

by Anonymousreply 6402/05/2013

Again, R64, panic and anxiety disorders are nothing to laugh at and imagine going undiagnosed for your whole life while suffering.

by Anonymousreply 6502/05/2013

R65 I never said panic and anxiety disorders are something to laugh at. But thank you for sharing anyway.

by Anonymousreply 6602/05/2013

[quote]She was 88 when she died. The rest of her life was spent in Lima, Ohio. Now that is more than sad. It's pathetic.

So you're basically calling most of your aunt's 88 years pathetic because she didn't fulfill her pissant nephew's expectations to be well traveled for a worthwhile life? I hope you realize what a douche you sound like.

by Anonymousreply 6702/05/2013

Global Warming Guilt. Airplanes spew carbon right into the most vulnerable part of the atmosphere, ya know.

by Anonymousreply 6802/05/2013

Subclinical agoraphobia

by Anonymousreply 6902/05/2013

I grew up in Vermont and I had a French teacher from Staten Island, NY. (for those of you who don't know NYC, SI is one of the five boroughs that comprise NYC) He once told us that the majority of his family in SI had never been to Manhattan.

by Anonymousreply 7002/05/2013

Definitely, r69.

by Anonymousreply 7102/05/2013

All of these yuppie travelers who brag about their adventures need to understnd that they are just another asshole American tourist to be parted from their money.

It does not make you smarter or more sophisticated to travel. When the 'natives' smile at you and act nice it's because they want you to spend your money there. Got it?

They don't actually like you, with your shorts and camera and tennis shoes. What do you think, that they think you're attractive or something?

They want you to give them yor money, so they can buy some teeth or something. You're an asshole for thinking otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 7202/05/2013

Post Traumatic Stress Disorder

by Anonymousreply 7302/05/2013

Well, I am an expat, but I do understand those from my home state (Alaska) who never make it out Outside. It costs a hell of a lot of money and the nearest state is thousands of miles away.

by Anonymousreply 7402/05/2013

Wow, this thread is over-flowing with bitter, old, nasty losers. Its sort of sad seeing people try to make others as miserable as they are. Even sadder is they dont realize how transparent their actions appear.

by Anonymousreply 7502/05/2013

I'm a woman who almost always travels alone. I visit NYC, San Francisco, L.A., Chicago and many other places alone but I use common sense. I do my homework and get familiar with the area before I leave home. Now I'll admit some people's common sense is different from my own. My married friend won't even drive far within the state by herself without feeling threatened. I knew a woman who would never go to the mall in a very safe neighborhood by herself at night for fear of being mugged. I don't want to be a prisoner to unreasonable fears. I feel exhilaration in navigating new territory on my own. Now, would I travel alone in the Middle East? No, but within the States the mobile phone and GPS make me feel almost invincible.

by Anonymousreply 7602/05/2013

R76, I like that you do research and enjoy your travels. That's the way to go. I can tell your not hanging out in bars either, or buying drugs.

Tell us, what are your favorite cities that feel safe and are worth seeing?

by Anonymousreply 7702/05/2013

[quote]They don't actually like you, with your shorts and camera and tennis shoes.

As if gays would ever be caught dressed like that. Of course they want our money and we like to spend it when we get there.

by Anonymousreply 7802/05/2013

[quote]f a person finds the prospect of traveling to a neighboring state intimidating, then there is nothing any of us, including yourself, can do to help them.

Oh how so very gracious of you to want to "help" them! Listen, not everyone has the desire, the money, or frankly the curiosity to go beyond their own backyard. And you know what, that's fine.

I've been to several countries, from China to Italy to Paraguay and many others. But this isn't some sort of score-card or competition or any reflection on who I am. The very effort doesn't make me a better person, just a fortunate one.

If anything, having been to a lot of places you realize that you're a tiny cog in a giant machine that's completely indifferent to you so it doesn't really matter where you've been as long as you're happy with where you are.

by Anonymousreply 7902/05/2013

R77, I feel safe nearly everywhere except I canceled a trip to New Orleans recently because of the things I was reading about the crime and where you should not venture even during the day. Many cities have bad areas to avoid but it seemed as if the bad in NOLA was right around the corner from the the French Quarter and, of course, Bourbon Street is rough. Maybe someone familiar with NOLA can change my mind about that.

When I travel, let's say I'm waiting for a table at a restaurant, sometimes a group of women will ask me to join them. 1) Because I'm so darn friendly and harmless looking, 2) because they feel sorry for someone who is alone. That's fun.

by Anonymousreply 8002/05/2013

{quote]Oh how so very gracious of you to want to "help" them!

I never said I wanted to help them. As you started your post with a clear indication that you cant be bothered to read what others have written, I returned the favor regarding your post.

by Anonymousreply 8102/05/2013

First of all, there are a few folks with some weird afflictions on this thread. Like this thread struck a nerve with their inability to get out of their comfort zones. I wonder why they take it so personally.

Anyway, like R52, I travelled extensively in my 20s and 30s - lived in London and in Dublin for extended periods of time, as well. But I am happy as a clam to stick to my New England environment now that I am 50 (though I would like to take a trip to Paris in the near future). I don't feel that urgency to travel since I did so much of it while I was younger.

Also, I have two dogs that I am a little phobic about leaving with a sitter - I had a dog die while I was visiting friends in Chicago a few years ago so now I take vacations where I can bring my dogs with me.

by Anonymousreply 8202/05/2013

Please tell me all about Dublin, R82. And don't skip anything. :)

by Anonymousreply 8302/05/2013

Oh, it was crazy, R83. It was back in the mid-early 90s so Dublin wasn't so built up like it is now. I hooked up with some guys I met in pubs, but that is all a blur now because my drinking was totally out of control then. Because it was was such a bleak time for me (with the drinking and craziness), I tend to try to forget about living there.

London, however, was really wonderful and I do look forward to returning there someday (probably from watching too much BBC-America!).

by Anonymousreply 8402/05/2013

A co-worker and I were sent to NYC to a company office for a special project. The receptionist/switchboard operator, Minna, was probably in her late 50s and had never been anywhere except on the subway between office and home. She had never even been six or seven blocks over to the Hudson River, never seen a Broadway show, never been to Central Park, never been to the Empire State Building or Statue of Liberty.

On a lunch hour, my co-worker and I took the aerial tramway over to Roosevelt Island. Minna was amazed and asked where it was. It was three blocks away. Another lunch hour, we went to Strawberry Fields in Central Park and saw Lauren Bacall across the street at The Dakota. Minna thoght that was the most exciting thing to ever happen.

Prior to going to NYC, we had planned all our lunch hours, evenings and weekends to see shows, museums, historic places, sport events, etc. This woman had never done any of that and was surrounded by it for her entire boring life. The day she put through a call to me from a member of a Presidential family, I thought we were going to have to scrape Minna off the floor.

by Anonymousreply 8502/05/2013



by Anonymousreply 8602/05/2013

That's so awesome, r85.

by Anonymousreply 8702/05/2013

R80, it's a shame that you cancelled your trip to New Orleans. It's also a shame that so many people think that Bourbon Street and the rest of the French Quarter are the only sights worth seeing here- that's like going to NYC and never leaving Times Square or midtown.

I visited New Orleans many times (and fell in love with the place) before I moved here a few years back. I've yet to see a hint of crime, and I'm thankful to live here every day. I've been to most states in the US and many foreign countries, but New Orleans won my heart. The architecture and food are incredible, and most importantly, the people are probably the kindest you'll ever meet.

by Anonymousreply 8802/05/2013

Sorry about your bad memories, R84. Can you tell me if the people are friendly to foreigners? Aside from population how does it compare to London? Have you been to Northern Ireland? I'm thinking of making the grand tour of Ireland and England this year.

by Anonymousreply 8902/05/2013

Why do you all care if someone never travels, for whatever reason? As long as you aren't being stopped from living your lives the way that you want, why care what someone else does?

Traveling outside of your home state doesn't make you anymore hip, cultured, better than anyone else. I know many people who've left the state/been on airplanes and they are just as ignorant as they were before. Some people do things just so they can take a picture and brag that they did it.

R3, so what if your sister has never been on a plane. Being a air passenger is no accomplishment. It's not like you flew the damn plane.

by Anonymousreply 9002/05/2013

Defensive much?

by Anonymousreply 9102/05/2013

Your story made me laugh R85. I'm not quite as bad as Minna- I mean I'll go to Brooklyn and Astoria- but I rarely see the need to leave New York. I'll take the occasional day trip away from the city, but why travel when you've got everything you could possibly want at your fingertips already?

by Anonymousreply 9202/05/2013

R91, bitch about stupid stuff much?

by Anonymousreply 9302/05/2013

R89, the people were very friendly to foreigners, especially Americans - so many of the Irish have either spent time in the US or have family that live there. The Irish are also great conversationalists and you will certainly enjoy yourself on a tour there.

It's different when you live there, however. I found the Irish to be very fun and chatty initially, but found it very difficult to scrape away the superficiality with them over time. A person I once knew who lived in Ireland for a time also felt the same way, so it's not just me imagining it.

But if you are going on a tour of Ireland and Britain, you will certainly enjoy yourself!

by Anonymousreply 9402/05/2013

I would have a hard time staying in one state, because I live about 1/4 mile from the AR-LA state line, and own property in both states. And it is only a few miles to Texas, so I am in three states several times every week. I have traveled extensively as an adult, but I was 18 before ever leaving the Ark-La-Tex, and my parents lived long lives and died without ever going to any other states. My Pop used to say that the world might end just on the other side of Dallas for all he knew.

by Anonymousreply 9502/05/2013

Like R90, I've never understood the snobbery of the well-traveled. I have two separate friends whose highest compliment they can pay someone is "He travels."


I have traveled enough to know that I utterly loathe getting on a plane or train. I don't mind *being* in other places, mind you. There are simply dozens of things I'd rather go through than the ordeal of getting to any of them.

I hate being in crowds. I don't like going to the movies or concerts or plays anymore, either. The general public is so rude and noisy, it should be legal to shoot someone for being annoying.

And now it's even worse, with the government in charge of airports.

So I stay home.

by Anonymousreply 9602/05/2013

[quote] San Francisco's tenderloin and mission are not safe for women to walk around in alone.

I live near SF & this statement isn't entirely untrue -- but it's a moot point because no one (of any sex) goes to the Tenderloin or the Mission on vacation. They're dirty, ugly, tough parts of town with nothing fun or interesting to see or do (unless you're a researcher, in which case, you should be part of a group).

by Anonymousreply 9702/05/2013

R96 I don't like crowds either but I try not to let it dictate my life too much because I would be missing some exhilarating experiences.

I live on a farm so when I go to NYC or any other big city it's a shock to my system still I've always enjoyed myself and I think that's because I'm aware of my eccentricities and try to accommodate them rather than fight them. Planning ahead is key.

Are travel can be nasty with all the delays and security now but I've accepted it and I always have movies on my iPad. I plan my flights so that if they're over 3 hours I try to get a stop midway so I can get off the plane and stretch my legs for a little while. Then I can face the Chatty Cathies (?), the roar of the engines, the hot confined quarters and uncomfortable seating a little longer.

by Anonymousreply 9802/05/2013

How do you get across the pond with a three hour stopping point?

by Anonymousreply 9902/05/2013

"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime."

--Mark Twain

by Anonymousreply 10002/05/2013

R100 That's exactly the sort of presumed superiority I spoke of in R96.

by Anonymousreply 10102/05/2013

As usual, I agree with Mark Twain, R100.

But he didn't have the benefit of TV, not to mention the internet. They're not a perfect substitute for being there, just as reading isn't, but they do expose you to different cultures. If you can't really travel for some reason, at least watch films about other places.

by Anonymousreply 10202/05/2013

Oh, I HATE that, R99, but there's nothing I can do about it.

by Anonymousreply 10302/05/2013

[quote]Your story made me laugh R85. I'm not quite as bad as Minna- I mean I'll go to Brooklyn and Astoria- but I rarely see the need to leave New York. I'll take the occasional day trip away from the city, but why travel when you've got everything you could possibly want at your fingertips already?

You've got plenty to see and do right there in the City, R92, but haven't you even had an interest in exploring some of the things you don't have in NYC? Wouldn't you be interested in seeing Fort Ticonderoga or the Thousand Islands or Valley Forge or walk the Freedom Trail in Boston?

I worked in downtown DC for a few years and at least three days a week, I would spend my lunch hour in one of the Smithsonian museum buildings or the National Gallery of Art (eating brown bag lunch while walking there). Like NYC, DC has plenty to see and experience, but there's so much to see and do beyond the borders of those two cities.

by Anonymousreply 10402/05/2013

I once read somewhere that close to half of all Americans have never been more than 50 miles from home.

I also learned that, back in the 60s, there were kids in ghetto DC that had never seen the Potomac.

It might seem odd to some, but there it is.

by Anonymousreply 10502/05/2013

[quote]I've been to several countries, from China to Italy to Paraguay and many others.

R79, why did you choose Paraguay? It's one of the region's poorest, least-developed, and most isolated countries. What attracted you to it? Would you like to return there?

by Anonymousreply 10602/05/2013

R85, when I hear a person never goes ANYWHERE but work and home, I assume they live with someone extremely controlling. You know, the kind of psycho spouse or parent who freaks out if you stop in the park on the way home.

by Anonymousreply 10702/05/2013

Terrified of becoming a bumpkin is not a bad thing.

by Anonymousreply 10802/05/2013

I've only been as far as New York and that was decades ago. I'd like to travel overseas, but I'm afraid to fly and don't have much experience as a traveler and would probably get ripped off or kidnapped.

by Anonymousreply 10902/05/2013

We don't need to go anywhere. You can get everything you want in Blaine.

by Anonymousreply 11002/05/2013

R107 here, and now that I think about it, I realize that one reason people never travel is that they live with someone extremely controlling. Extremely controlling assholes generally hate to travel, because once they're out of their comfort zone, they're no longer masters of their own little universe.

And they don't want to open up to new experiences, they want to concentrate on holding on to their power over their family. And they certainly don't want the family to be opened up to new experiences, it might lead them to think about life away from the controlling asshole.

by Anonymousreply 11102/05/2013

Actually I have the opposite problem. I now realize I know less about my home state than about anyplace else I've lived. I haven't been to any of the main tourist attractions here.

by Anonymousreply 11202/05/2013

I've always been the traveling type, but I can understand some things about why people don't want to travel. Air travel has become such a gigantic pain in the ass it's understandable why some people just don't want to put up with it. Imagine being someone who never travels and is in a hectic airport with a million people, and all the bullshit regulations and delays that are an everyday part of flying now. I can see why that would intimidate and even frighten people. And of course someone who has never been on a plane could even be terrified of the actual flight experience itself.

by Anonymousreply 11302/05/2013

Psychologists call it separation anxiety.

by Anonymousreply 11402/05/2013

My weird life. For years after 9/11 I was scared to death of getting on a plane. The slightest turbulence would make me sweat like a stuck pig.

One day a friend tossed me a valium before I got on a plane and Voila! Suddenly turbulence was FUN. Anyhow long story short, I started flying more and more and eventually stopped using valium to the point where I could fly without any fear whatsoever. The problem is now I'm literally a travel addict. I can't stop thinking about getting on a plane and going someplace I have never been.

I LOVE to travel to places and learn about other cultures. I'm actually in therapy about the addiction part because like a heroin addict, I almost lost everything because I love to travel so much.

I Have no regrets though and feel like it's a big amazing world out there and I have had so many incredible experiences.

by Anonymousreply 11502/05/2013

R4, it's probably been said and said again but George W Bush, with all his connections (his dad was a fucking Ambassador, VP and President plus head of the CIA) and all of his money, that fucker was part owner of a baseball team...Never once got curious enough to go any further than Tijuana, Mexico. I'm sure he didn't partake in male hustlers, donkey shows and plentiful, cheap drugs.

Now, I think he did more than just gaze lustily at foreign shores and he sure as fuck has done more than just supress them.

Unless you have agoraphobia along with no money, traveling and curiosity about others in the world are noble things.

by Anonymousreply 11602/05/2013

[quote]Bogota is next bitches!

I've been through Bogota, New Jersey. It doesn't seem like it would be a great vacation spot.

by Anonymousreply 11702/05/2013

So all it takes is Valium to lose your fear of flying? I may try it.

by Anonymousreply 11802/05/2013

It would actually be an achievement if one lived in New Jersey.

by Anonymousreply 11902/05/2013

R80, New Orleans is wonderful! I've been several times (including once by myself, and I'm a female), I'm actually going back next month. Other than New York it's my favorite city in the country!

I've travelled all over the US, Canada and Europe by myself between the ages of 17-23 (until I met my partner basically) and never had a bad experience...not saying it doesn't happen, just that I had great experiences. My partner and I love to travel but we have one friend who only leaves the state to go to Kentucky to visit family. He was recently gushing about seeing some show about Italy on tv and how beautiful it looked, and we told him he should go because Italy is amazing. He replied "why would I do that? I can just sit at home and watch it on TV!". Some people just don't get it!

by Anonymousreply 12002/06/2013

True R120. Pictures do not do it justice and cannot capture the feel of the places.

by Anonymousreply 12102/06/2013

[quote][R79], why did you choose Paraguay? It's one of the region's poorest, least-developed, and most isolated countries. What attracted you to it? Would you like to return there?

A friend of mine was doing peace corps work down there and my partner and I decided to visit. If it wasn't for that we never would have gone. And we just used it as a spring-board to visit Argentina (Buenos Aires for the steak, Iguazu for the falls, and Mendoza for the wine).

It was fascinating in Paraguay to be so removed from anything remotely touristy, but at the same time i'd have no reason to go back or any reason to recommend going. She was in a small city smack dab in the middle of the country. Our friend had a couple of female friends who were very excited to meet a couple american men (read: rich meal-tickets out of Paraguay...leaving Paraguay seemed to be most people's goal there). We were sorry to disappoint them.

We ended up just hanging out at our friend's place, drinking and eating because there was nothing else to do. And that's all you need really - regardless of where i've been my fondest memories are of sharing an experience with who I was with, regardless of where we were.

So being willing and able to travel is fantastic (perhaps the most incredible sight i've ever seen was turning the corner to unexpectedly find the Victor Emmanuel Monument in Rome lit by an afternoon sunset) but you don't need to be somewhere famous or travel far to enjoy life. You just need a friend and a bottle of wine.

Of course that's easy for me to say. My bougie ass has been fortunate enough to travel. But growing up we certainly didn't have the money to ever "Travel" with a capitol T, let alone go somewhere by plane. And I hadn't even considered international travel a reality until I made a particular friend in college who showed me it was indeed possible. So I can't look down on anyone who has no interest in travel or doesn't venture far from home. Maybe they don't care and are happy at home? Maybe it just never occurred to them? Maybe they hate to fly? Or maybe they really do freak out when outside their comfort zone? In any case, it's none of my business.

by Anonymousreply 12202/06/2013

[quote]But growing up we certainly didn't have the money to ever "Travel" with a capitol T, let alone go somewhere by plane.

For some, it's the growing up experiences that can make a difference. Our family vacations were beach or lake trips, up to three or four states away but the car stopped at scenic overlooks, historic markers, and historic sites. When I began to drive, I joined my Dad's AAA card and would get their guide books to each state. After that, I never drove through a city where I didn't know if there was a museum or historic site.

When going overseas, I've always studied tour guides, train schedules, subway maps, bus lines, etc. I don't want to waste any time trying to find out how to get some place. Before going to Paris, I got coffee table books from the library about the Louvre and Versailles. For Rome, I studied everything available on the Vatican Museum and Sistine Chapel. For Austria, I knew which trails I wanted to hike in the Alps, the same for the Andes. I may sound like I'm rich to be going to all these places, but I just happened to luck into a great job that sent me all around the globe.

by Anonymousreply 12302/06/2013

Some interesting discussions here, and I think a lot of these go hand in hand with class/race in America, and the city/suburban divide.

I commented on the Pennsylvania thread, and a lot of the smaller, rural towns there are the perfect examples of what a lot of folks mentioned here. They have never left Pennsylvania or gone more than 75-100 miles from home. They have never eaten at a restaurant that wasn't a large chain or where the cost per head exceeded $20. They go to work every day at the same time, wear the same Wednesday outfit and eat the same Wednesday lunch every damn Wednesday.

I get that some people don't want to drive into big traffic jams, or aren't big fans of cities, and that's an understandable personal preference - but there's tons of other places to see in America. I personally don't like to fly (less a fear, more that my head gets intense pressure and pain during flight) and so I've driven a great deal, as well as taken trains and sometimes buses to destinations.

[quote] We have one friend who only leaves the state to go to Kentucky to visit family. He was recently gushing about seeing some show about Italy on tv and how beautiful it looked, and we told him he should go because Italy is amazing. He replied "why would I do that? I can just sit at home and watch it on TV!"

That's it in a nutshell. It's sad, but some people are incredibly insular. And while I wouldn't say those people are stupid, you simply cannot make informed decisions about the world around you when you never leave your own yard.

by Anonymousreply 12402/06/2013

Isn't that what everyone does, R123? I do, but I read maps for fun.

by Anonymousreply 12502/06/2013

[quote]Isn't that what everyone does

A lot of people depend on tour guides. In some locations that can be a real horror. At the Vatican Museum, there were long lines out the door and down the block. All those people were waiting for guided tours. I bought a ticket and the English-language guide book and walked right in. No guide saying "move long people" - nobody delaying the tour. I could take all the time I wanted to look at the art works.

by Anonymousreply 12602/06/2013

[quote]we told him he should go because Italy is amazing. He replied "why would I do that? I can just sit at home and watch it on TV!".

That's how I feel about sports.

by Anonymousreply 12702/06/2013

Welcome to the 21st century moron at r100. Now we have youtube.

by Anonymousreply 12802/06/2013

I actually wish MORE people wouldn't leave the borders of their state, particularly to go to midtown Manhattan. It would be nice to get to and from work without all of those fat hillbillies clogging up the sidewalks and walking at 2mph.

by Anonymousreply 12902/06/2013

Social class can definitely play into a fear of travel. Let me tell you a story...

A friend is a psychologist, and once took a group of "at risk" teenagers camping. He thought it would help them discover a world outside the Mean Street, allow them to realize there was a little beauty and peace available to them. Well, it didn't work that way, being in a peaceful camping ground actually terrified them - they thought there were rattlesnakes under every rock axe and murderers behind every tree. They begged him to go into town, if only to hang around on the street.

I think it was because people who live in extremely stressful environments fear the unknown even more than they fear the stressful environment. They've learned to navigate the everyday terrors of the ghetto, and assume that other places have similar levels of danger and require similar coping skills. But because it's unfamiliar, they've lost the tiny margin of security that allows them to cope with the horrors.

Being poor sucks. It's not just miserable, it fucks with your mind, leaves you unable to enjoy so much.

by Anonymousreply 13002/06/2013

I imagine those who don't travel as being content. Contentment has always been a goal of mine. I'm quite old now, and still travel several times a year. I'm convinced I travel as much for distraction as for personal enjoyment. After more than 70 years of life, I'm still a single person. I believe if I were truly content, I would stay home, reduce or end my travels.

by Anonymousreply 13102/06/2013

R128 obviously is sexually satisfied by watching porn online.

by Anonymousreply 13202/06/2013

What makes me laugh are all the hotshots who brag about overseas travel yet don't know their own backyards in the US. Some will fly across an ocean yet fall down dead before stepping foot into more than five states (not counting layovers).

by Anonymousreply 13302/06/2013

When you travel outside the United States, you expect everything to be different and exotic, so it's not a surprise when it is. When traveling within the United States, it can be a strange experience because so many things look familiar (e.g. stores, street signs, etc.), but at some point you feel like you are in a parallel universe in which you realize the people in fact are very different than what you are used to at home. I wonder if foreigners see the differences in culture and attitudes that Americans in different states have.

by Anonymousreply 13402/07/2013

I find this hard to believe considering US states are much smaller than Canadian provinces.

by Anonymousreply 13502/07/2013

Some of use do both R133.

by Anonymousreply 13602/07/2013

People travel (or don't travel) for different reasons. I like to travel occasionally, but it's an expensive hobby! My partner is more of a homebody, but he was in the military and has been all over the world, doesn't enjoy flying, and has a been-there-done-that attitude.

If you can never leave the borders of your own state but still have a broad world-view, that's great, but I wonder if it's even possible. If you never go anywhere *and* you're a Tea Party xenophobe, screw you.

by Anonymousreply 13702/07/2013

I am not so sure about the appeal of travel being a class/economic issue. My parents took my brother and I to europe when I was ten and he was eleven. I enjoyed every minute of it. He spent the entire trip complaining that they did not have ketchup and peanut butter. 40 years later, and nothing has changed. He still avoids anything that is out of his comfort zone. We had the same upbringing, the same experiences, and yet we experience the world very differently. I enjoy the "new", he wants everything to be the same as back home.

by Anonymousreply 13802/07/2013

R138, is your brother a right wing bigot?

by Anonymousreply 13902/07/2013

I've had the misfortune of traveling with those that can't adapt. They are sad and annoying.

by Anonymousreply 14002/07/2013

For me, I travel and move around because I have commitment problems. It terrifies me to stay put and put down roots. I grew up as an expat kid in several countries. Everytime someone asks me where I'm from, I'd get flustered. And moving to different schools meant that all childhood friends and relationships outside family were just transient. So I grew up not knowing what "permanent" is (aside from my family). I guess I am the complete opposite of those that never left their state.

by Anonymousreply 14102/07/2013

R139, Lets just say he is rather conservative and a gun owner.

by Anonymousreply 14202/11/2013

[quote]What makes me laugh are all the hotshots who brag about overseas travel yet don't know their own backyards in the US. Some will fly across an ocean yet fall down dead before stepping foot into more than five states (not counting layovers).

I've worked in more than 20 states and traveled to others for study or pleasure, but I was never a road trip man. For the past 15 or 20 years, I've barely traveled in the states beyond a few hours driving distance (which can encompass several states); I've flown to a couple of U.S. cities or historic regions for repeat visits. Otherwise, I'd sooner drive to the airport and wake up 7 hours later in London a few times a year and travel from there.

Driving endless hours up and down the coasts, or west across great stretches of nothingness isn't --for me-- a pleasure and the rewards too meager. I never had the Route 66 romance of the road bug.

Being able to sleep at the drop of a hat on trains and planes maybe makes a big difference for me. Where I now live out in the sticks, there are plenty of people with nice houses and multiple new cars and some cash flow who could travel, but who are entirely geared toward local entertainments or driving a state or two away to other rural areas; many have next to no experience with cities and are just as happy to keep things that way. The idea that flying to London seems simple to me strikes them as crazy.

by Anonymousreply 14302/11/2013

"Being able to sleep at the drop of a hat on trains and planes maybe makes a big difference for me. "

Perhaps that's why I'd rather drive than fly. Airports are deeply unpleasant these days, and I can't sleep on planes (even 20+ hour flights to Europe), so really, flying anywhere is torture for me.

But I love a good road trip: seeing the country from eye level, stopping to see something or changing routes at a whim, watching unexpected vistas appear before me. And the upside of being unable to sleep on planes is also being unable to fall asleep at the wheel, so it works for me. So while it's true that it's been a few years since I've spent more than a weekend in another state, I've been all over the large, sceneic, varied state I live in.

by Anonymousreply 14402/11/2013

Wanna hear a good one? Here in Pittsburgh, where we have three rivers, there are some locals who won't go anywhere if they have to cross a river! The first time I heard about it, I thought the person talking about it was pulling my leg. But apparently there are such folk.

by Anonymousreply 14502/11/2013

When I lived in suburban Detroit, there were people in my office who had never been in the City of Detroit. It wasn't lack of curiosity, it was plain unadulterated racism.

And I think that's the issue here. If travel were merely a matter of consumption, there is no reason to be down on someone for choosing one consumption over another. Nothing which is just consumption really matters. But just as not liking musicals is a cover for homophobia - the vehemence of the dislike is simply not on a level with preferring fish to chicken - the disinclination to travel is all about not being willing to compare what you were told with what is, that is it involves a wilfull suspension of the critical faculties or their deprioritization. I think we all have met such people, and in general, the people who don't like to travel are the same ones who don't like to read because in the end they do see these activities not affecting what is important to them or how they see the facts of the world.

by Anonymousreply 14602/11/2013

That said, I like to travel but I don't have any need to explore new foods when I do. That part of the travel experience is not that important to me.

by Anonymousreply 14702/11/2013

Some of them can't because it is against the conditions of their parole, their rental car agreement doesn't cover out of state travel, or there is a warrant out for them in the next state.

by Anonymousreply 14802/11/2013

I can't remember that far back but in college I think they said that of all Americans, people in Pennsylvania are least likely to leave their state.

by Anonymousreply 14902/11/2013

[quote]I like to travel but I don't have any need to explore new foods when I do. That part of the travel experience is not that important to me.

It may not be "important" but it can add to the enjoyment of the place. The beef in Peru, Brazil and Uruguay was fantastic. It took me several years to eat beef in the U.S. after that. In Australia, the Pavlova was a highlight of a Christmas Eve celebration. Wiener schnitzel is Austria is wonderful. There was lots of great food in Turkey. In some countries, I didn't eat any of the local food - Guinea, Guinea Bissau, Gambia, Senegal, etc.

by Anonymousreply 15002/11/2013
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