Surely somebody here was alive then.
Eldergays: Tell me about Disneyland in the 1950's and 60's
|by Anonymous||reply 123||06/15/2014|
I will, but you need an "E" ticket.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||01/28/2013|
I want to know as well. Especially that crystal caverns ride.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||01/28/2013|
You mean THIS ride, R2?
It was where Big Thunder is now, and was a nice, quiet little ride with cute critters, and bubbling "paint pots" in the desert, narrated by the same person who I believe does the "welcome aboard" spiel on Big Thunder.
Next to or near the train ride were the "pack mules" you could also ride.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||01/28/2013|
Oh, and R2? Here's what it was like from the time I started going to Disneyland in the late 1960s. By then it was just the Mine Train ride.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||01/28/2013|
There were only four rides at the time. The lines were much shorter, and Walt Disney himself greeted every patron as they walked through the gates.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||01/28/2013|
Someone posted the link to Yesterland a year or two back, and while I enjoyed reliving all the fun that was the 60s and 70s Disneyland, it suddenly occurred to me that in all my visits there then, I never saw a black person.
No wonder they all flocked to Magic Mountain when it opened.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||01/28/2013|
If you look at Disneyland crowd pictures from c.1960 you'll notice most people are dressed in their Sunday best, not casual dress like now.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||01/28/2013|
Nothing on earth beat those Rocket Jets that rose in the sky when you pulled back the yoke.
It was equivalent to a light sabre for those who grew up in the 60s.
Also, there we saw the fisrt video phones (a la The Jetsons) and now brought to you by Skype)
|by Anonymous||reply 9||01/28/2013|
I was young and my parents were still alive, like I prefer to remember them. Blissful times.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||01/28/2013|
I remember the video phones! In the AT&T Pavilion! Also my very first exposure to TouchTone phones! They had an exhibit where you could try dialing something (not with a pencil!) to see how much faster it was with push buttons vs. a dial.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||01/28/2013|
It was pure fucking magic, OP. Pure. Fucking. Magic.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||01/28/2013|
The Haunted Mansion, as conceived by Walt himself, was not a ride-through dark ride at all. Walt expected guests to enter the Mansion, wander around, and get scared shitless (I think).
Shortly after the Mansion facade was finished in the early 60's, my folks took me to New Orleans Square, where we checked it out. The attraction wasn't open but one of the Imagineers invited me in to look around...I was probably about 6. My 10 year old brother was judged to be too big, so only I got to go in.
There wasn't much that was finished in the facade at that time as it turned out. As it was, I wandered around alone in a couple dark rooms activating air jets in the floor and some 'spooky' animated stuff. Creepy but totally underwhelming. Looking back, I think they were just testing to see if small kids were going to be able to activate the sensors that ran everything.
The Mansion sat there unused for some years until finally it opened as a dark ride...they had completely scrapped the idea of a walk-through attraction.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||01/28/2013|
Paul Lynde blew me on the teacups.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||01/28/2013|
You could get blow jobs in the tunnels on Tom Sawyer Island.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||01/28/2013|
There was a truly terrible ride that they have long let go, thank God. They were the mule rides where everyone pretended they were some gold prospector only the poor mules were always exhausted and in pain.
It was terrifying because the mules would walk right on the edge of the path--their little hooves would be half on the trial and half hanging over the edge. I remember that being the most horrifying ride of all at Disneyland.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||01/28/2013|
Lucky you, R15. He puked when I was with him.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||01/28/2013|
R17 you are really annoying, do you know that?
|by Anonymous||reply 20||01/28/2013|
My partner started working there in 1965, and he was a character. Back then there was one Mickey in the entire park, and only a handful of characters out and about at any time.
It was a good place to work. The Park was closed on Mondays and Tuesdays most of the year, so you worked a normal 5 day week, and it paid fairly well, you were treated right, and there was a real sense of community.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||01/28/2013|
I always loved the GE Caursel of Progress.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||01/28/2013|
Someone give R17 a pill, please.
We went to Disneyland in 1958. My favorite thing was Mr. Toad's Wild Ride, and I think I went on that about 3 times. We also did the Jungle Boat ride, the spinning teacups, and had lunch somewhere (New Orleans Square?) We totally skipped Tomorrowland, apparently nobody cared about that. I got one of those stupid hats with the big feather and my name embroidered on it.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||01/28/2013|
[quote] The Park was closed on Mondays and Tuesdays most of the year, so you worked a normal 5 day week
Yes, and in those days they were actually CLOSED on Thanksgiving and Christmas days every year.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||01/28/2013|
[quote]I got one of those stupid hats with the big feather and my name embroidered on it.
Does anyone know what happened to the little gay guy who sewed those names into the hats? He was there forever, sewing those hats inside out, upside down, and backwards, just as fast as it could possibly be done, and he was always so cheerful doing it.
Last time we were there he had been replaced with a machine that did it automatically.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||01/28/2013|
R23 New Orleans Square didn't come around until the late '60s, so it must've been Frontierland or Adventureland.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||01/28/2013|
I hate that Disneyland had to change somewhat from the way it was in the 50's/60's/70's, but I have a lot of documentaries about it from that period. I just wish I had my old Disneyland map--I bet John Stamos has one.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||01/28/2013|
[quote] New Orleans Square didn't come around until the late '60s, so it must've been Frontierland or Adventureland.
Before New Orleans Square was built there was a chicken restaurant in that area.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||01/28/2013|
[quote] We totally skipped Tomorrowland, apparently nobody cared about that.
Oh, for us, Tomorrowland was the only place that counted.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||01/28/2013|
There weren't a lot of fatties riding around on motorized scooters back then and there was a dress code for "guests". And a bottle of water wouldn't cost you $2.75. I think the water used to be heated in the rest rooms then so you didn't freeze your hands off.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||01/28/2013|
[quote] there was a dress code for "guests"
Well, to SOME degree. I mean, it kept the hippies out, for awhile anyway.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||01/28/2013|
America the Beautiful in Circarama opened at Disneyland in June 1960.
But it wasn’t the first Circarama movie. That honor went to A Tour of the West, presented by American Motors—builder of Hudson, Nash, and Rambler automobiles—and its appliance division, Kelvinator.
The 1987 book Disneyland: Inside Story by Randy Bright quoted an American Motors Corporation press release, dated June 27, 1955:
“This combination of photographic skills and entertainment talents promises an unusual spectacle for visitors to Disneyland. We’re happy to have a part to play in making Circarama possible. As it represents added pleasure and value for the public, sponsorship of the Circarama is another forward step in our program to make American Motors mean more for Americans.”
— George Romney, President, American Motors Corporation
|by Anonymous||reply 32||01/28/2013|
Believe it or not, they used to have trouble filling The Park in the evenings, so they started a big band program. You got in at a heavily discounted price, and they would have people like Stan Kenton, Buddy Rich, and the Glenn Miller Orchestra playing over at the Plaza Bandstand. It was mostly senior citizens from the surrounding area, and they would listen to the bands and dance well into the night. Those were magical evenings.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||01/28/2013|
A dress code for an amusement park? What a pile of shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||01/28/2013|
[quote] A dress code for an amusement park? What a pile of shit.
The "dress code" was more along the lines of "no cut-offs, torn clothing, must be wearing shirt and shoes, etc."
It really was to keep the hippies out. Remember, in those days, there were ticket books. You could just buy a general admission ticket for 50 or 75 cents,but you'd have to buy tickets to go on the rides. They wanted to keep undesirable squatters out.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||01/28/2013|
[bold] Hippies Invade Disneyland [/bold]
Date: August 6, 1970
On this day in 1970 a group of "hippies" obtained entrance to Disneyland in Anaheim California. They ran rampant over the park, attempting to claim "Tom Sawyer's Island" for themselves. Disneyland, not knowing how to handle this breach of customary etiquette, called in the Orange County Police who arrived in full riot gear. The park was closed and all visitors were asked to depart, leaving Disneyland empty except for the remaining hippies. This was the first time the park was closed early. [bold] Earlier Disneyland was infamous for its policy of refusing entry to young men wearing beards, a common practice in California and especially in some cities of Orange County. [/bold] No rain-check was given to the departing visitors.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||01/28/2013|
A bizarre occurence takes place at Disneyland when 750 "Hippies" and "Radical Yippies" infiltrate the park, and take over the Wilderness Fort. They raise the Vietcong flag and pass reefers out to passersbys.
Later, they march in a Main Street parade, and sing their own lyrics to "Zipadee Doo Dah" ("Ho, Ho, Ho Chi Mihn is going to win..."). More conservative park guests try to drown them out by singing "America the Beautiful." Before the confrontation can heat up, a platoon of Anaheim Police officers in full riot gear pour into the park from backstage areas! A riot is adverted and Disneyland vice president of Operations Dick Nunis orders the park closed at 7:10 PM. [bold] For many years afterward Disneyland will selectively enforced a "dress code" at the park, occasionally refusing admission to "long-haired hippies". [/bold] (This unusual incident is the only time an outside security force has ever made a full-blown public appearance at the park.)
|by Anonymous||reply 37||01/28/2013|
From R6 : Someone posted the link to Yesterland a year or two back, and while I enjoyed reliving all the fun that was the 60s and 70s Disneyland, it suddenly occurred to me that in all my visits there then, I never saw a black person.
No wonder they all flocked to Magic Mountain when it opened.>>
I go to Disneyland now and very rarely see black folk. It's rare to see a nuclear black family (nuclear, i.e. dad, mom, kids) enjoying at day at DL. You'll see groups of women w/ kids, or maybe a black man w/ a white girlfriend. On Magic Mornings, when the parks let in Disney resort hotel guests for that early extra hour entry, take a look at who paid for Disney resort stays: majority of them are white Caucasians, like 99%. Maybe a smattering of Asians, but no black folk. Then, hours when the gates are open to the public later it's Las Familias Grande! And those scooters w/ fat middle-age people nearly mowing you down. My observation from a sociological view.
As far as Magic Mountain, I went there once and refuse to go back. It's full of boisterous rude teenagers including some of the ride operators. What you don't see there are strollers or the scooters. They're at DL.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||01/28/2013|
Here's the park "marquee" announcing Count Basie Tonight
|by Anonymous||reply 39||01/28/2013|
[quote][R23] New Orleans Square didn't come around until the late '60s, so it must've been Frontierland or Adventureland.
Wiki gives construction date of the Mansion facade as 1962 and the opening of New Orleans Square as 1966. The Mansion was opened as a dark ride in 1969. My recollection is that our visit was in 1964, and that the Mansion exterior was was fully accessible to the public through a long ramp, which was later removed. Perhaps others can recall if portions of New Orleans Square were open to the public ('soft' opening style) ahead of the grand opening.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||01/28/2013|
When we went in 68 or 69, my long-haired hippie brother took pains to dress straight for the occasion, and immediately bought a hat (mouse ears as I recall) to tuck his hair up into, because he had heard so many horror stories about people getting kicked out.
The ticket books really sucked, because you only had a very few E and D tickets, and no matter how careful you were, by the end of the day you were reduced to burning off the A and B tickets with bullshit like the riding the fire truck down Main Street or doing the motor boat cruise where everyone else was 5 years old.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||01/28/2013|
The Mansion facade was there for ages. It was actually an attraction conceived and planned by Walt years before his death. The exterior was actually completed in 1963, and sat there for years before the attraction finally opened in 1969. It was even previewed in 1965 on Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Color TV program.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||01/28/2013|
[quote] The ticket books really sucked, because you only had a very few E and D tickets, and no matter how careful you were, by the end of the day you were reduced to burning off the A and B tickets with bullshit like the riding the fire truck down Main Street or doing the motor boat cruise where everyone else was 5 years old.
Or you could buy more tickets at any of the conveniently located ticket booths throughout the park. The best time to go was in the off-season. They sold ticket books with tickets that that were good for any ride or attraction, so you bought an extra book or two and saved those for future visits when the lettered ticket books were in use.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||01/28/2013|
I remember that you also used to be able to buy the unlettered ticket books through employers, unions, or other organizations.
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|by Anonymous||reply 45||01/28/2013|
20,000 Leagues Under the Sea
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There's a great, big, beautiful tomorrow Shining at the end of every day There's a great, big, beautiful tomorrow And tomorrow's just a dream away
Man has a dream and that's the start He follows his dream with mind and heart And when it becomes a reality It's a dream come true for you and me
So there's a great, big, beautiful tomorrow Shining at the end of every day There's a great, big, beautiful tomorrow Just a dream away
|by Anonymous||reply 47||01/28/2013|
I see plenty of black families at Disney World, R38. Might have something to do with the relative wealth of East Coast blacks vs West.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||01/28/2013|
The Swiss Family Robinson tree house (now renamed to something I can't remember - god I loved that treehouse, and imagining myself as a castaway having to "make do". The Lion King treehouse or whatever it is now just isn't the same without the slight edge of danger.
Also I liked those growing Tiki huts down below. A lot of the parents would be drunk on Hawaiian cocktails by that point.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||01/28/2013|
I think youngsters would be shocked to go back and see how blatantly commercial Disney was back then. It was the MONSANTO House of Tomorrow, the TWA Moonliner, the SANTA FE and Disneyland Railroad, the PEPSI-COLA Golden Horseshoe, the GENERAL ELECTRIC Carousel of Progress, and on and on and on.
In fact, rumor has it that the private Club 33 inside Disneyland is named in honor of the 33 corporate sponsors.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||01/28/2013|
R51 Disney World is heavily corporate sponsored, EPCOT is essentially a shrine to corporations.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||01/28/2013|
A lot of stuff in the corporate pavilions had been at the New York World's Fair
|by Anonymous||reply 53||01/28/2013|
It's a Small World began at the UNICEF Pavilion (sponsored by Pepsi) at the 1964 World's Fair.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||01/28/2013|
[quote] The Swiss Family Robinson tree house (now renamed to something I can't remember
Was re-done as Tarzan's Treehouse
|by Anonymous||reply 55||01/28/2013|
Disneyland after dark, 1962
|by Anonymous||reply 56||01/28/2013|
And R51, don't forget IT'S A SMALL WORLD which was for decades sponsored by Bank of America. who also had a branch office on Main Street
|by Anonymous||reply 57||01/28/2013|
And weren't the Dinosaurs (later brought to Disneyland as part of the Grand Canyon Diorama on the train ride) originally presented by Ford at the 1964 World's fair?
|by Anonymous||reply 58||01/28/2013|
I remember when they switched from having Tinkerbell fly down from the Matterhorn at night to Mary Poppins.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||01/28/2013|
Some memories from the 60's:
Disneyland Hotel was really just a mediocre motel with ugly, green shag carpeting and smokey drapes.
As a child, I was obsessed with miniatures and I would drool enviously at the model of Progress City at exit of the Carousel of Progress with its miniature freeways and model of a working carnival. Ditto for Storybook land and the miniature houses.
We lived in So.Cal. and would religiously go to DL at least 3 times a year. At about 5 miles from DL, my dad would announce that he would give a nickel to whomever sighted the Matterhorn first. Many,many good memories of our trips. I haven't been there in years.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||01/28/2013|
R60 We lived in the Bay Area and only went to Disneyland twice when I was growing up. It was a long drive and of course in those days (early '60s) there was no AC in the car. Can't imagine how we survived!
Anyway, my sister and I used to play the "spot the Matterhorn first" game, too!
|by Anonymous||reply 61||01/28/2013|
I loved the guy who used to be in the Golden Horseshoe review who spit teeth all over the audience after he got "hit" in the jaw. Hilarious
|by Anonymous||reply 62||01/28/2013|
I saw my first microwave oven (RadarRange) in the House of the Future.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||01/28/2013|
I think you should start a thread about the best places to make out with your boyfriend at Disneyland.
I can remember going to Disneyland with my college roommate in 1988. We were traveling with a large group for a convention and we had to share a room with two other guys. But we slept in the same bed and felt each other up under the sheets each night. I enjoyed riding the Matterhorn with him because it had straddle seating and I got to grind my ass into his crotch the whole way.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||01/28/2013|
Thank for the Disney at Night clip. I love how the crowd is enthralled with the corny quartet singing "Back in Old Virginny", what sounds like a slave song for white folks! They are sure eating up that hat act. Not one fat person in the entire crowd.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||01/29/2013|
The black and Hispanic families can be found at Knott's Berry Farm, 10 miles northwest and a world away. The price of one SEASON at Knott's is 1/2 the price of one DAY at Disneyland; consequently, Knott's has been in steep decline for about 20 years but they are finally starting to repair the neglect.
Trivia about the Disneyland Matterhorn: yes, there is (half a) basketball court near the top; the splash pool at the bottom served as brakes; the top speed is only 18 miles per hour; several people have died on the ride, all due to rider stupidity; before the 1978 remodel, the steel infrastructure was painfully obvious and a real eyesore.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||01/29/2013|
I'm black and my family only went to Knott's Berry Farm occasionally, the main attraction was always Disneyland and I hated Knott's Berry Farm.
"Spot the Matterhorn" brings back a lot of memories for me, my sister and I always did that when we went there.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||01/29/2013|
[quote] The black and Hispanic families can be found at Knott's Berry Farm, 10 miles northwest and a world away. The price of one SEASON at Knott's is 1/2 the price of one DAY at Disneyland; consequently, Knott's has been in steep decline for about 20 years but they are finally starting to repair the neglect.
Knott's used to be a fun place when the family was still running it, before they turned it over to the asswipes at Cedar Fair.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||01/29/2013|
To our family, Disneyland was all about rides -- Knott's was all about jam and the Fried Chicken dinners.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||01/29/2013|
[quote]Knott's used to be a fun place when the family was still running it, before they turned it over to the asswipes at Cedar Fair.
Wrong. Walter Knott left the park to his employees. It was the employees that screwed everything up.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||01/29/2013|
Not Disneyland but Disney World - they were still using ticket books at Disney World in 1972 at least with the lettered tickets. My sister worked organizing one of the unions at Disney World for a few years and she always got us free passes/tickets that the unions had. Those were great years for visiting.
Theere were 2 African American women in that clip of Disney at night at 6:13.
I think the quite ordinary motels are a reminder that people - especially middle class people - didn't pretend to be able to afford too much luxury back then. Not that many people had credit cards in the 1950s and you took vacations you could pay for. It's like the difference between a regular old ranch or two story house vs. the family of today in a 4500 sq ft McMansion for a family of 4.
The barbershop quartet - boy were we easily amused.
The discrimination against "hippies" is annoying but I do like to be reminded that people didn't always find dressing like slobs acceptable.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||01/29/2013|
[quote] Wrong. Walter Knott left the park to his employees. It was the employees that screwed everything up.
Um, no honey. The Knott family sold the park to Cedar Fair:
[quote] In the 1990s, following the deaths of Walter Knott and his wife, Cordelia, their children sold the family business; the theme park was sold to Cedar Fair, while the food business was sold to ConAgra Foods, which subsequently sold to J. M. Smucker. Cedar Fair has continued to expand the theme park, adding Knott's Soak City in 1999 and adding other rides to the original park.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||01/29/2013|
[quote] In 1997, the Knott family sold the amusement park operations to Cedar Fair Entertainment Company. Initially, the Knotts were given an opportunity to sell the park to The Walt Disney Company. The park would have been amalgamated into the Disneyland Resort and converted into Disney's America, which had previously failed to be built near Washington, D.C. The Knott's refused to sell the park to Disney out of fear most of what Walter Knott had built would be eliminated. Ironically, Cedar Fair tore down more of what Walter Knott had originally built than what Disney was planning.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||01/29/2013|
The Knott family was responsible for some huge missteps following the death of their father. Poor decisions, donating too much time and capital to the indoor park at the Mall of America. They should have sold to Disney, but sold to Cedar Fair for $250 million in 1997.
The new manager of Knott's first job was as a janitor at the park in the late 70's who worked his way up. He's making good decisions, rebuilding the log ride and installing family rides. The demographics for the park have changed radically and he can't change that. The park is a short bus ride from the poorest, most violent parts of SoCal. Our last visit was ruined by line jumpers and tweens running wild, eating noodles at Panda Express with their hands, running around in bare feet, etc. No kidding. That's the reason Disney is so expensive.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||01/29/2013|
R72 & R73, you are wrong.
Walter Knott died in 1981. Cedar Fair bought the park in 1997, 16 years later. He left it to the employees. The family had some stock, but not a controlling interest. Terry Van Gorder was CEO, and not a member of the Knott family. The only parts of Knotts owned outright by the Knott family between 1981 and 1997 were Virginias' Gift Shop, the steak house, and the chicken dinner restaurant. Though one of the boys owned part of Bob's Men's shop, I don't really include it in Knotts property.
Sorry, but Walter and Cordelia Knott were family friends. One of the Knott boys is still friends with my father.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||01/29/2013|
"R23, New Orleans Square didn't come around until the late '60s, so it must've been Frontierland or Adventureland."
Oops, you are right - it was somewhere with horse carriages passing by, so it must have been Frontierland. All I remember is consuming vast quantities of orangeade because I was so overheated with excitement.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||01/29/2013|
Bitter and 19, party of one?
|by Anonymous||reply 77||01/29/2013|
 More please, I am a Knott's fan from way back? I never heard Walter Knott left it to the employees? Why did they make terrible decisions like removing the Soap Box Racers and the Beary Tales dark ride? Why did they never expand the park across the street where the water park is now? The Independence Hall looks so out of place now with water slides all around it. Raffi (new GM) is making great strides, but there is so much to catch up on, Cedar Fair destroyed much of the character of the park.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||01/29/2013|
[quote][R51] Disney World is heavily corporate sponsored, EPCOT is essentially a shrine to corporations.
Yeah, Future World especially (GM Test Track, Raytheon's Sum of All Thrills, Coca-Cola Club Cool, etc.).
|by Anonymous||reply 79||01/29/2013|
I went to Disney WORLD back in the early 70s when it was new and it was wonderful. We stayed at the very nice Polynesian Village. Everything was new and shiny.
I went back in about 2001 and was horrified by the crowds of overweight people who looked and dressed strangely alike, kahki shorts, light mauve T shirts and those weird little bags slung across their chests. It was the most bizarre sight the sheer quantity of people looking exactly the same.
The atmosphere was horrible.
Orlando was also a very nasty place.
We left after less than 24 hrs having planned to stay for several days.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||01/29/2013|
Everyone in California knows to stay away from Knott's and Magic Mountain. These parks are overrun with gangbangers. There used to be quite a few knife fights at these parks although you don't hear so much about it these days.
Also, the low quality of these two parks does not appeal to most normal people. Knott's has the cute wild west atmosphere but the rides are for gang-bang thrill seekers.
Magic Mountain though, takes the cake for low-ball entertainment.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||01/29/2013|
[quote] They need to market the place to families that don't shop at Walmart.
And raise the admission prices to keep out the riffraff.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||01/29/2013|
I love Magic Mountain but hate the type of people it attracts these days.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||01/29/2013|
R78, actually Cedar fair gets too much of the blame. A lot of the damage was done during the 16 years before Cedar Fair purchased the park. The huge sell-off of all of the antique memorabilia and historic artifacts took place in the 1980s. The Harvard MBA types (Terry Van Gorder, et al) that were brought in to run the park saw them as assets that were not generating income, and sold everything off. They also wanted to demolish Independence Hall and expand the parking to the other side of Beach Blv. The Knott family threw a hissy fit. The building remained, but it was closed for a long time. Terry Van Gorder hated Knott's Berry Tales, which is why it went.
Basically TVG had no vision and was greedy. Unlike Disney who ignored conventional wisdom and did not cater to the all important teenage-young adult market regardless of their spending power, TVG aggressively went after that market. Obviously, teenagers, particularly boys, are more interested in roller coasters and other thrill rides rather than Ghost Towns and Old-Time Melodramas. That changed the tone of the park completely.
Also, the draconian nature of CA laws had a lot to do with the changes in the park. The Haunted Shack was closed because there was no way to make it wheel chair accessible. The state of CA would not allow it to remain open. The carriage stable was closed because there was no way to make climbing on old carriages, buckboard, etc. child safe.
The park has had a rather schizophrenic quality for several decades. It wants to cater to teenagers and early 20s, but it has the Snoopy license that appeals to young children, and it has a lot of elderly visitors. The park really doesn't have a strong personality and point of view.
Regarding the elderly, an example of how badly run the park was under Cedar Fair was their senior brunch. First, they had it in a space that was a good five minute walk (for a young person) from the Chicken dinner Restaurant The elderly took forever to get there with their canes and walkers. Then, to make matters worse, the brunch was only for seniors. So, if you need an aid/helper to get you around, the aid could not eat with you. It was just ridiculous.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||01/29/2013|
[quote]There were 2 African American women in that clip of Disney at night at 6:13.
Somebody slipped up at the ticket gate.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||01/29/2013|
R75 Weren't the Knotts notorious reactionary John Birchers?
|by Anonymous||reply 87||01/29/2013|
[quote]Weren't the Knotts notorious reactionary John Birchers?
Yes, Walter Knott was a big John Bircher, and one of the earliest backers of Ronald Reagan when he ran for Governor.
The rumor was that, while Disneyland had Walt's frozen body stashed under Mr. Lincoln, the bank vaults in the Ghost Town bank buildings were filled to the brim with high power weapons and ammunition, and Knott's was where the militia would rally when 1) the Mexican Hoard swept up from Tijuana or 2) the Communist bastards attacked from the sea. Knott's security was supposed to be full of ex-military, mostly Green Berets.
To be fair to both Disney and Knott, normal people probably don't look in the mirror and say, "Hey, I should build a giant amusement park today."
|by Anonymous||reply 89||01/29/2013|
Three people were taken to the hospital after a wheel detached from a stagecoach ride at Knott’s Berry Farm Sunday afternoon.
The stagecoach fell to its side and sent 14 passengers tumbling.
Three passengers were taken to the hospital with minor injuries and are expected to fully recover.
Knott’s has closed the stagecoach ride until further notice. The theme park issued the following statement:
“At approximately 1:25 pm on December 30 the left rear wheel detached from one of Knott’s Berry Farm’s stagecoaches with 14 passengers on board, causing the coach to tip to its side.
“Three guests were transported to a local hospital for minor injuries. The ride will be closed until further notice. Guest safety is Knott’s number one priority.”
|by Anonymous||reply 90||01/29/2013|
BUENA PARK, Calif. — Twenty riders expecting a short thrill were left dangling at 300 feet for nearly four hours when the Windseeker ride at Southern California's Knott's Berry Farm amusement park stalled.
Knott's said in a statement that the ride, which lifts fun-seekers high over the park with their legs dangling and spins them in a circle, came to a stop when its security system activated at about 4 p.m. Wednesday.
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"They didn't tell me that in the brochure," said Jimmy Garrison, a tourist from Baltimore who was stuck on the ride as he left the park hours later with a souvenir T-shirt that read "I SURVIVED WINDSEEKER."
TV cameras showed riders sitting calmly as they dangled and the sun set, some casually swinging their legs.
"They were on the PA system and they were telling us 'be patient with us,' and that sort of thing," Garrison told KTTV-TV. "I was looking over at the steel cables, they're about that thick," he said, holding his thumb and forefinger several inches apart, "there's a whole bunch of them so I know you can't fall."
Garrison's wife Donna said her husband kept her from having a totally traumatic experience.
"I have a fear of heights so that first half-hour was a little bit daunting," she said. "But he's a great coach. He talked me through it."
Maintenance workers brought all the riders safely to the ground between 7:30 and 8, long after the park had closed and night had fallen.
Knott's says the ride, which also left riders hanging on Sept. 7, will remain closed while the cause is investigated.
Donna Garrison said she and her husband were returning to the park on Friday. Asked if she'd try out the Windseeker again, she replied "Oh, no, no no."
|by Anonymous||reply 91||01/29/2013|
The Windseeker was a bad idea. Cedar Fair was going to install Star Fliers, operating functionally around the world, but changed their mind at the last minute to the similar Windseeker prototype which has been plagued by mechanical problems, installing not one but four total nationwide. Demonstrating their business acumen, they installed two more the following year. All six have been grounded until they figure out how to fix the problems.
They have had nothing but problems with the newer rides. The Pony Express family had a minor accident when the emergency brakes failed because they had been painted over. Xcelerator had an accident when the launch cable snapped, slicing the front of the train in half and severely cutting a young kid's leg (it was partly Knott's fault, the cable was six months overdue for replacement). The Perlious Plunge attraction was reduced to rubble a few months ago ten years after a morbidly obese woman fell to her death right in front of her family because she wasn't properly secured - to fat to fit in the restraint but the teenage operator dispatched the boat rather than tell her to get off.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||01/29/2013|
[quote] Three people were taken to the hospital after a wheel detached from a stagecoach ride at Knott’s Berry Farm Sunday afternoon.
Well this will replace the infamous rallying call for fake law suits from Get on the bus to Get on the stagecoach.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||01/30/2013|
Carnation used to make more than canned milk -- with Knudsen, they were So Cal's main dairy. They had an ice cream shop on Main Street which was always our first stop.
Then we went to the fun penny arcade.
Finally, off to Tomorrowland!
|by Anonymous||reply 94||01/30/2013|
I checked out a copy of [italic]The Disneyland Encyclopedia: The Unofficial, Unauthorized, and Unprecedented History of Every Land, Attraction, Restaurant, Shop, and Major Event in the Original Magic Kingdom[/italic] at my library.
It's a pretty good book that details the dates different rides and attractions were in operation. It also gives a little background info as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||01/30/2013|
Yes, Walter Knott was a John Bircher. As was Carl Karcher of the "Carl's Jr. fast food chain.
Walter Knott, Carl Karcher, John Wayne, our living room was a place to be avoided.
Walter Knott had a puppeteer that he sponsored from Hungary. Knott had a book printed titled "A Puppet no More". The covers are hysterical.
Front:Polio-Orphan-Nazis-Dachau-Communist Torture and Prison- Hungarian Revolution- Escape- All part of the many nightmare and dreams of Tony Kemeny Master Puppeteer
Back:Escaped Orphan- in the streets of wartime Budapest
Inmate of Dachau-Kittens in famous death camp
|by Anonymous||reply 96||01/30/2013|
Disney fans might be interested in learning about C.V. Wood, the man who is probably most responsible for designing Disneyland. He had a falling out with Walt, and his name has been banned ever since. They have completely removed him from photos, histories, news articles--the man doesn't exist as far as Disney is concerned.
He was a bit of a con man, so they're probably justified, but he did have a long career, and did many other parks. Since the basic design of Disneyland is genius, he deserves at least a mention:
[quote]Wood, leading his firm known as Marco Engineering, Inc., helped create Magic Mountain (now Heritage Square at Golden, Colorado) in 1957, Pleasure Island (in Wakefield, Massachusetts) in 1959, Freedomland U.S.A. (on the current site of Co-op City in the Bronx), in 1960, and initial work on Six Flags Over Texas . . . . In 1991, Wood, who had become President of the Recreation Enterprises Division of Warner Bros., played an instrumental role in the design and development of Warner Bros. Movie World theme park in Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia, capping a noted theme park creating career. Wood was also the chief designer for Lake Havasu City;. That city's CV Wood Aquatic Center is named for him.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||01/30/2013|
[quote]C.V. Wood, the man who is probably most responsible for designing Disneyland. He had a falling out with Walt, and his name has been banned ever since. They have completely removed him from photos, histories, news articles--the man doesn't exist as far as Disney is concerned.
A Book of Laughing and Forgetting...
|by Anonymous||reply 98||01/30/2013|
It was no Dataloungeland, kid.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||01/30/2013|
Disneyland vs Knotts
|by Anonymous||reply 100||01/30/2013|
Nowhere near as good as Dataloungeland.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||01/30/2013|
Very good, R101! However, where is the Caftans-n-Earrings Emporium?
|by Anonymous||reply 102||01/30/2013|
If I could live anywhere, I would live in The Haunted Mansion, like all year long," director Guillermo del Toro said last year at Comic-Con while discussing his upcoming film featuring Disneyland's iconic haunted house. And he's not alone.
Hollywood is full of filmmakers and talent who are addicted to Disneyland, which opened in 1955 and now averages 40,000 visitors a day. Zachary Levi, Gwen Stefani, John Stamos and Miley Cyrus count themselves as Anaheim regulars, and it's the date place of choice for Ryan Gosling (he's taken Kat Dennings, Blake Lively and Eva Mendes). "It's not about going on the rides as fast as possible," says music producer Matt Beckley. "It's an appreciation for the art that goes into it."
No matter how fanatical, though, few want to brave tourist hordes. With the June opening of the $200 million Cars Land at Disney California Adventure, where waiting times in lines are two hours plus, both theme parks are at peak capacity.
Luckily, there are tricks and tips to making visits as painless as possible. Hiring a VIP Premium Tour guide (from $195 to $295 an hour for a minimum of six hours, 714-300-7710) will result in a customized experience. The guides (called "plaids" for their signature costume) will get you into the park easily, make reservations at top culinary spots such as Napa Rose in the Grand Californian hotel and nearby Catal (which has hosted parties for Drew Barrymore and Justin Bieber) and reserve prime viewing spots for shows and parades. While plaids can't get guests to the front of every line, they can for rides in the Fastpass program, including Indiana Jones, Star Tours and all the major mountains. If your kids are "let's go again" types or autograph seekers, the guide will get them in front to meet and greet castmembers portraying everyone from Mickey to Merida, the redheaded heroine of Disney Pixar's Brave. For celebrities, park officials practically insist on VIP guides (James Threadgill is Once Upon a Time star Ginnifer Goodwin's favorite). "They don't want bedlam breaking out if Miley Cyrus is standing in line," says one insider.
There are places that VIP guides can't take you, including the private Club 33 with a 10-year-long waiting list. (It recently welcomed a select number of new members.) How carefully are the keys to the castle guarded? Goodwin -- who's such a fanatic, she visited the park five times during a recent six-week hiatus -- admits she recently became a member. But even she hasn't yet gotten access to the fabled Dream Suite, the only on-site guest room in the park: "I would do just about anything legal to stay there."
Pilot House on the Mark Twain River Boat
Not part of any VIP tour, the pilot house is an unofficial spot to which the captain can extend an invite. Guests need to inquire to request access -- or can just butter him or her up.
This private 2,600- square-foot space is invitation-only to VIPs and kids from charities like Make A Wish. Once in a while, official fan club D23 members get sneak peeks. Access cannot be purchased. The suite has two master bedrooms, a French Provincial living room, an electric train and a full-size carousel. Says del Toro of the amenities provided by Disney Imagineer designers: "The quarters come to life at several points during the night and objects and audiovisual effects light up the room unexpectedly -- it's the essence of Disney magic."
|by Anonymous||reply 103||01/30/2013|
Aside from the beloved mansion itself, a favorite destination of Whoopi Goldberg, "there have been occasional special private dinners that are announced and sell out immediately -- they're not dinners that can be set up by request for a fee," says Chris Strodder, author of The Disneyland Encyclopedia. "There's also a cool pet cemetery feature hidden behind it, and if you ask an employee, they'll usually let you see it, though you can't walk through it." Adds Beckley: "A little thing that fanatics do is try to get the Haunted elevator to themselves and lay down in it when it goes down. They call it the stretching room -- it seems to be stretching. You look up while the portraits get smaller."
Bibbidi Bobbidi Boutique
Get like Stefani, a Disney fan who dressed as Cinderella for Kate Hudson's Halloween party last year, or do the more age-appropriate thing and turn a child into a Disney princess for $200, which includes makeup, nail polish, tiara and costume. Make reservations up to six months in advance -- walk-ins have about a 1 percent chance of getting in.
At the top of this bobsled ride, which recently had side-by-side seating replace the lap-sitting that titillated teens for generations, is a basketball hoop. "We played basketball in the Matterhorn," says The Young and the Restless executive producer Maria Bell, who is such a fan, her husband, Bill proposed to her at the Castle. Another insider insists: "No one can go up there. It's for maintenance people."
A private walk-through with a Disneyland designer pointing out behind-the-scenes facts and anecdotes is rare, extended only to high-level business contacts, or given away for charity. Says Bell: "We won an Imagineers tour at LACMA that was donated by Willow Bay -- we had the most amazing time."
Lily Belle Railroad Car
The luxury observation parlor car on the Disneyland railroad, named after Walt Disney's wife, has carried royalty and heads of state, including Japan's Emperor Hirohito and Empress Nagako, and is not always available on the track. A VIP tour guide can gain you entrance if it's present.
Walt Disney's Apartment
Overlooking the town square and built for Disney to oversee construction, this humble apartment above the fire station also housed Disney and his family, with his wife, Lillian, using the patio to entertain. Disney sometimes descended using the fire pole as a form of egress. Says Beckley, "They still leave a light on in the window in honor of Walt." Not open to the public, the apartment can be seen via a behind-the-scenes Backstage Magic tour; call 800-543-0865 to book.
Can You Find the Hidden Mickeys?
A slew of websites are devoted to identifying the "hidden Mickeys" designed into nooks and crannies throughout the park. Basic representations of Mickey can be a circle with smaller circles for ears; look for Mickeys in gears, the Space Mountain speakers, one of the Conquistador breastplates when exiting the Pirates of the Caribbean attraction, and virtually every ride. "You start to see them everywhere. If you look at the Matterhorn from a certain angle, the caves converge to become a Mickey Mouse shape," says Beckley. "There are multiple layers -- you can come back and discover things you didn't notice at the beginning." There are seven on our map -- can you find them all?
|by Anonymous||reply 104||01/30/2013|
There used to be a guy on here that worked at one of the parks. He told us all about why they went from ticket books to general admission and why that was a disaster for them until they used food to recoup the losses.
I tried to find a link to that thread, but maybe someone remembers it?
|by Anonymous||reply 105||01/31/2013|
I wonder if there are black people at Disneyland Tokyo or Disneyland Paris...
|by Anonymous||reply 106||02/01/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 107||02/02/2013|
Disneyland, in California in the late '50's and early '60's. I was there.......both at Disneyland and Knotts Berry Farm.... Disneyland... If I got there early, my daughter and I would park near the entrance. $12.50 and we could spend the whole day enjoying everything.....was GREAT!
Knotts Berry Farm. I don't remember an entry fee there but I do remember the stagecoach and the mine rides and panning for gold.....also watch the candy makers...... Great place to take my daughter to. TODAY........There's nothing like it was then.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||02/22/2013|
With a whole park-full of people being held hostage, the food prices are exorbitant now, but I called my sister and she says she remembers the food being pretty reasonable in the late 60s and early 70s.
Many of the eateries then were sponsored by food companies, so they were more interested in advertising their products than profiting from them.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||02/22/2013|
Groovy clean cut Rock 'n' Roll on the Tomorrowland Space Stage! Sponsored by Coca Cola!
|by Anonymous||reply 110||02/22/2013|
Before Disney Co. went weird, it was actually a pretty good deal -- Walt said he would not gouge guests so the food was inexpensive and more a showcase by companies such as Carnation, Coca Cola, Minute Maid, etc.
|by Anonymous||reply 111||06/12/2014|
Didn't see r109.
|by Anonymous||reply 112||06/12/2014|
Me, bumping, as in Autopia
|by Anonymous||reply 113||06/12/2014|
[quote]Also I liked those growing Tiki huts down below. A lot of the parents would be drunk on Hawaiian cocktails by that point.
They've never served alcohol at Disneyland. (Although they do next door at California Adventure now.)
[quote] I remember those bouncy inflated tubes that hovered on air; those didn't last long.
Strangely, they've sort of reincarnated that long lost attraction at California Adventure.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||06/12/2014|
My Favorite Disneyland Food
April 1, 2013 By: Half Crazy Mama3 Comments
I live in Northern California, but Disneyland has been my home away from home, my happy place…my laughin’ place.
When I talk to people about both Disneyland and Walt Disney World the most common question is “Do you have any restaurants or food items that you recommend” I thought I would put together a quick and easy list of my favorites. Here is Disneyland’s list. Stay tuned tomorrow for Walt Disney World’s list.
From Disneyland Park:
Frozen apple juice at Edelweiss Snacks- It is a walk up small snack stop by the entrance for the Matterhorn. If you were to take Martinelli’s apple juice and turn it into a slurpee you would get this. It is so yummy, especially on a hot day.
Turkey Leg sold at multiple carts and quick service locations- A huge turkey leg packed full of flavor. You may look like a Flintstone walking around eating this, but it is delicious, filling, and surprisingly portable.
Dole Whip- it is a fluffy soft serve pineapple sorbet, this is the best way to describe it. Soooo good, even if you aren’t a huge pineapple person. It isn’t overwhelmingly pineapple. It is sold at the entrance to the Tiki Room.
Chicken skewer at Bengal BBQ- The sauce on the chicken is like a sweet and sour BBQ sauce. Bengal BBQ is a walk up counter service BBQ skewer location across from the jungle cruise. The bacon wrapped asparagus skewer is also very good.
Fried chicken from the Plaza Inn- Some of my favorite fried chicken in the world. Moist and delicious.
From California Adventure Park:
Short rib ravioli from Carthay Circle Restaurant- very rich, but very good. It is a great flavor combo. This is a sit down table service restaurant. Make reservations far in advance.
Freshly made caramel corn- This deliciousness is served at the popcorn cart that is located on the walkway between Soarin and Grizzly River Rapids. It is amazing and is still warm when you get it. Tip: get the souvenir bucket that has a lid and you can enjoy it over the next couple days :)
Chili con queso served in a bread cone from Cozy Cones-This is located in Cars Land and I was a little skeptical at first, but when I tried it it was very yummy. It is definitely gooey in a guilty pleasure sort of way.
Anything with hot fudge from Ghiradelli Soda Fountain- located where the tortilla factory used to be in the back of Pacific Wharf section. They also give you a Ghiradelli chocolate square sample as you walk in. Can’t go wrong with free chocolate :)
From Downtown Disney:
Beignets from Jazz Kitchen Express Downtown Disney- fried dough hot and covered in powdered sugar. No need for more explanation.
From Grand Californian Hotel:
Napa Rose is the finest of dining at Disneyland. Anything here is delicious, but these are some of my favs that are always on the menu. Signature Pizzetta with ”La Quercia” Smoked American Prosciutto, Red Flame Grapes, Caramelized Onions, & Cambozola Cheese. The combo of sweet and salty on this pizza is delicious. I love the bite that the cambozola cheese adds. “Smiling Tiger Salad” - Tempura Fried Lobster, Spicy Beef, Asian Greens and Coconut-Lime Vinaigrette. It is perfectly spicy and amazing. Another tip about Napa Rose: If my husband and I get alone time we will make a reservation to eat dinner in the dining room. Since it is fine dining and my daughter just turned 3 we don’t bring her to that nice of a meal yet, BUT the lounge is first come first serve and we have brought her in there many times. It is set up with cozier chairs and a fire place. It is mellow and you can get these items in the lounge area. There are many families in the lounge area. It is still a quiet environment so keep that in mind and just plan accordingly.
Storytellers Cafe Charred Nebraska Corn Chowder with Rotisserie Chicken, Bacon, and Cilantro- It is one of the signature items and it is very delicious. It is also available from room service at the Grand Californian.
|by Anonymous||reply 115||06/13/2014|
As far as character dining goes my hands down favorites would be Goofy’s Kitchen at the Disneyland Hotel and the princess lunch at Ariel’s Grotto. The food is good at both as well as the ambience. The character breakfast at the Plaza Inn would be my runner up.
This is my short list of my favorite eats at Disneyland Resort. Obviously I also love Mickey ice cream sandwiches and soft pretzels and churros etc. This is my list of the items that a non-Disneyland regular might not know about or find on their own. Stay tuned tomorrow for my Walt Disney World list.
|by Anonymous||reply 116||06/13/2014|
In the back near the Country Bears Jamboree, you can buy buckets of BBQ for $45.00
|by Anonymous||reply 117||06/14/2014|
July 17, 1955. Sore subject in our house. We had just returned from overseas, like a week before that. Four years later, we went back out of the country, and NEVER WENT TO DISNEYLAND despite living in central CA all that time.
|by Anonymous||reply 118||06/14/2014|
[quote]In the back near the Country Bears Jamboree, you can buy buckets of BBQ for $45.00
Country Bears Jamboree has been gone for YEARS.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||06/14/2014|
Well, whatever is back there now -- some lady went on and on about her bucket of meat.
|by Anonymous||reply 120||06/14/2014|
The meat place
|by Anonymous||reply 121||06/15/2014|