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Homosexuality used to be prefered over hetersexuality in China and Japan

Little known fact, in ancient China and Japan, you had to be a rich guy, or a bigshot to be gay. Being gay used to be a status symbol of wealth.

by Anonymousreply 1301/27/2013

And now these modern Western civilizations will let anyone be gay. Things just ain't what they used to be.

by Anonymousreply 201/27/2013

Well, that's overstating it OP. The poem of the torn sleeve and homosexuality within Shogun culture is hardly an overwhelming example.

It existed and in some eras was accepted, but it wasn't preferred necessarily.

by Anonymousreply 301/27/2013

Not preferred so much as encouraged, to prevent a hereditary nobility threatening the emperor. Same reason there were eunuchs for the Ottoman Sultans.

by Anonymousreply 401/27/2013

I have never heard of Op's claim before.

by Anonymousreply 501/27/2013

No it did not mean pederasaty.

by Anonymousreply 801/27/2013


[quote]The Japanese term nanshoku [...] was widely used to refer to some kind of male–male sex in a pre-modern era of Japan. The term shudō (abbreviated from wakashudō, the "way of adolescent boys") is also used, especially in older works.

[quote]Nanshoku relationships inside monasteries were typically pederastic

[quote]Among the samurai class, adult men were (by definition) not permitted to take the wakashū role; only preadult boys (or, later, lower-class men) were considered legitimate targets of homosexual desire.

[quote]Relations between merchants and boys hired as shop staff or housekeepers were common enough, at least in the popular imagination, to be the subject of erotic stories and popular jokes

[quote]Male prostitutes and actor-prostitutes serving male clientele were originally restricted to the wakashū age category, as adult men were not perceived as desirable or socially acceptable sexual partners for other men.

[quote]Nanshoku was not considered incompatible with heterosexuality; books of erotic prints dedicated to nanshoku often presented erotic images of both young women (concubines, mekake, or prostitutes, jōrō) as well as attractive adolescent boys (wakashū) and cross-dressing youths (onnagata).

by Anonymousreply 901/27/2013

"Lower class men" Well there's your answer. There was no time when adolescents were preferred.

by Anonymousreply 1001/27/2013

Far too much emphasis is put on the samurai culture in Japan, it was really never dominant.

by Anonymousreply 1101/27/2013

It was never pederasty. That's revisionism. It was class-based, and the men were younger, but they were not children.

by Anonymousreply 1201/27/2013

r10 - not only did you ignore everything but one small detail in the quotes I offered, you also appear unable to read your own sources. Let me quote from [italic]your[/italic]link (which is about a modern phenomenon, and thus totally irrelevant in the main):

[quote]Japan has a history of homosexuality,[bold]particularly pederasty[/bold]

R12 - pederasty isn't pedophilia. They weren't children, but they were adolescents.

by Anonymousreply 1301/27/2013
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